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14:35:49 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 35 minutes ago
14:35:49 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:35:49 <trackbot> Date: 10 October 2013
14:35:55 <janina> agenda?
14:35:59 <janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
14:35:59 <janina> Chair: Janina_Sajka
14:35:59 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:36:02 <janina> agenda+ Everyone should rejoin the HTML-WG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0001.html
14:36:05 <janina> agenda+ CfCs on Revised Work Statement and Decision Procedures [See Below]
14:36:08 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc Testing CfC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0020.html
14:36:11 <janina> agenda+ Longdesc LC Comments
14:36:13 <janina> agenda+ Alt Edits Review [See Below]
14:36:16 <janina> agenda+ MSE Review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0018.html
14:36:19 <janina> agenda+ EME Review
14:36:21 <janina> agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media;
14:36:24 <janina> agenda+ HTML 5.1 Objectives http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist
14:36:26 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:36:29 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:36:32 <janina> agenda+ be done
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14:57:41 <Zakim> +??P3
14:57:48 <janina>  zakim, take up item 1
14:57:48 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
15:00:23 <Zakim> +MarkS
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15:01:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:01:13 <Zakim> + +1.716.842.aaaa
15:01:41 <aardrian> Zakim, I am aaaa
15:01:41 <Zakim> +aardrian; got it
15:01:50 <MarkS> zakim, [IPcaller is Leonie
15:01:50 <Zakim> +Leonie; got it
15:02:00 <LJWatson> zakim, +[IPcaller] is me
15:02:00 <Zakim> sorry, LJWatson, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
15:02:15 <LJWatson> zakim, [IPcaller] is m
15:02:15 <Zakim> sorry, LJWatson, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
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15:03:26 <LJWatson> scribe: Léonie Watson
15:03:34 <LJWatson> scribenick LJWatson
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15:04:31 <aardrian> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P3, MarkS, Leonie, aardrian, Plh
15:04:36 <Zakim> +Judy
15:04:56 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:04:56 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Everyone should rejoin the HTML-WG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0001.html" taken up [from janina]
15:05:01 <plh> zakim, ??p3 is Janina
15:05:01 <Zakim> +Janina; got it
15:06:00 <LJWatson> JS: Everyone needs to rejoin the TF. The HTML WG rechartered, and to participate in this TF everyone must be a member of the WG.
15:06:23 <MarkS> -> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=40318&public=1 Current Members of HTML WG
15:07:19 <LJWatson> AR: Does re-joining the WG automatically re-join the TF?
15:07:27 <LJWatson> JS: Yes, I believe so.
15:07:56 <LJWatson> JB: We had some trouble with this before. Someone de-bugged it, perhaps Michael?
15:08:20 <LJWatson> MC: Everyone on this call, seems to have re-joined the WG already, so we're in good shape.
15:09:05 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:09:05 <Zakim> agendum 3. "CfCs on Revised Work Statement and Decision Procedures" taken up [from See Below]
15:10:00 <LJWatson> JS: PF had rejected the previous process policy the TF put forward, but I believe PF is now agreeable to the current proposal.
15:10:25 <LJWatson> JS: PF wanted the role of the teleconference to be more clearly spelled out.
15:11:43 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:11:43 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Longdesc Testing CfC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0020.html" taken up [from janina]
15:12:30 <LJWatson> JS: The WBS on the tests didn't get a lot of response, as Chaals noted. The tests were accepted as sufficient though.
15:13:09 <LJWatson> MS: We're continuing to test and record results.
15:13:32 <LJWatson> MS: We're still accepting results if anyone wants to add/confirm.
15:13:39 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:13:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:13:45 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:13:45 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Longdesc LC Comments" taken up [from janina]
15:14:13 <LJWatson> JS: We were hoping we'd be in a position to call for concensus at this meeting, but we're not quite there.
15:14:29 <MarkS> -> https://rawgithub.com/chaals/longdesc-tests/master/test-results.html Preliminary Longdesc testing results
15:14:52 <LJWatson> JS: There has been a lot of QA activity in recent days, but the TF chairs weren't able to come together to sign off in time for today's telecon.
15:16:35 <LJWatson> JS: The CFC will be twofold - both for the extension, and for some editorial changes.
15:17:01 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:17:01 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Alt Edits Review" taken up [from See Below]
15:17:21 <LJWatson> JS: We had a response from WCAG to look at section 4.8.1.1 of the spec.
15:18:12 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0030.html
15:18:35 <LJWatson> JS: Essentially they're signing off on that section being appropriate.
15:19:18 <LJWatson> JS: Not sure about the first item still, but would like Steve to be here for that discussion.
15:19:32 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
15:19:40 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:19:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:20:22 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:20:22 <Zakim> agendum 7. "MSE Review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0018.html" taken up [from janina]
15:21:27 <LJWatson> MS: Janina and I went through the spec. It's highly technical, and so we're taking the approach of going thrugh the user requirements that the TF has developed previously.
15:21:54 <Judy> q+
15:21:57 <LJWatson> MS: In our reply we're asking whether those requirements have been met by the MSC spec.
15:22:33 <LJWatson> JS: We introduce complexity when we introduce alternates - text, captions audio description etc.
15:23:45 <LJWatson> For example a text transcript may take longer to consume than the video content itself, where does responsibility for pausing the video lie?
15:23:53 <Judy> s/MSC/MSE ( = Media Source Extension)/
15:24:56 <LJWatson> MS: They are thinking about these things in the spec, which is encouraging.
15:25:08 <LJWatson> JS: We *think they're thinking about them.
15:25:11 <Judy> Link to the spec under discussion, for those interested: http://www.w3.org/TR/media-source/
15:25:16 <Judy> q?
15:25:21 <janina> q?
15:25:28 <janina> ack ju
15:26:32 <janina> q?
15:27:26 <Judy> Geoff Freed from National Center for Accessible Media (NCAM)
15:28:04 <LJWatson> Geoff Freed from National Center for Accessible Media (NCAM) may not be able to help with a thorough review before the deadline, but he may be open to helping with specific things.
15:29:23 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:29:23 <Zakim> agendum 8. "EME Review" taken up [from janina]
15:29:30 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
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15:32:30 <LJWatson> DM: The spec defines an API. There didn't seem to be anything too "scary" in there to me.
15:32:31 <MarkS> DM: I took a look at it and it appears to just be about how the API's will talk to each other.
15:32:47 <LJWatson> CS: The code you write as a developer calls the API.
15:33:02 <LJWatson> DM: Is there a way that someone making an API like this could interfere with the accessibility APIs?
15:33:14 <LJWatson> CS: Haven't looked at this spec, but in this case I don't think it's likely.
15:34:26 <LJWatson> JS: We're sensitive to this because of the eBook scenario, in terms of enabling people to access content, but we're not dealin with that kind of media here.
15:35:23 <LJWatson> CS: We should ask whether any text output will be available to the accessibility APIs, but that's about it.
15:36:11 <LJWatson> PLH: Not always. In some cases the content is pinged directly to the screen.
15:36:34 <LJWatson> CS: So whatever does the rendering has to make the content available to the accessibility API.
15:36:51 <LJWatson> AR: Is it possible to factor that into the spec?
15:37:22 <LJWatson> CS: If the browser renders it, the browser has to make it available to the accessibility API. If it's a third party renderer, the responsibility lies with them.
15:38:25 <LJWatson> PLH: This is an idea worth reporting back to the spec WG.
15:38:37 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:38:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:39:01 <Judy> q+
15:39:09 <MarkS> ack judy
15:39:41 <janina> q?
15:40:02 <LJWatson> JB: Even if there is a 1% chance that encryption could be applied to accessibility information, we need to address that.
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15:41:44 <LJWatson> AR: We need to be sure that alternate textual information is being exposed to accessibility APIs.
15:41:58 <LJWatson> AR: + in a non-encrypted manner.
15:42:52 <LJWatson> PLH: David, what do you mean by audio description?
15:43:42 <MarkS> <track type="description">
15:44:28 <LJWatson> Example audio description clips: http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/television/adtv/Pages/ad_clips.aspx
15:45:29 <LJWatson> JB: We should be aware of the granula requirements we developed through the media sub-team.
15:45:42 <LJWatson> CS: Don't expect this to be too controversial.
15:45:51 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:45:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:46:10 <LJWatson> MS: Do we know whether the spec covers anything beyond the media stream?
15:46:17 <LJWatson> PLH: Yes, that's the point.
15:46:57 <LJWatson> PLH: Very often the tracks will be part of the same file sent to the UA.
15:47:17 <LJWatson> PLH: Not in the majority, but in some cases at least.
15:48:27 <LJWatson> PLH: Simply asking the question will be a god start.
15:49:54 <LJWatson> AR: Clarification on my earlier point - the EME needs to make sure the alternate content needs to expose the information to the accessibility APIs.
15:50:05 <LJWatson> CS: Not sure that's quite the right approach.
15:50:39 <aardrian> I am saying that any EME APIs must expose alternate content within the API
15:50:49 <aardrian> From there, it can be picked up a11y APIs.
15:51:56 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:51:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:52:11 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:52:11 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media;" taken up [from janina]
15:52:48 <MarkS> LW: but triage hasn't met in awhile.  no new bugs that aren't already being taken care of my steve or chaals (longdesc)
15:53:25 <MarkS> …there are a fair number of bugs that are marked as resolved that will need to be reviewed by the TF
15:54:26 <Zakim> -Plh
15:54:27 <MarkS> JB: would it make sense to visit TF with these questions so that you can walk people through the list.
15:54:50 <MarkS> LW: yes, we can do that.
15:55:45 <MarkS> JS: we can section off some time for upcoming meetings to begin walking through these then.
15:55:50 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:55:51 <Zakim> agendum 10. "HTML 5.1 Objectives http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist" taken up [from janina]
15:56:14 <MarkS> -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist 5.1 Objectives
15:56:20 <LJWatson> JS: We have a wiki page of points under discussion. It's a living list and additions are welcome.
15:56:54 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:57:01 <LJWatson> MS: We're looking at other specs to see how HTML5.1 could better support them, or be supported by them.
15:57:24 <LJWatson> MS: Talked about reaching out to other WGs.
15:57:36 <LJWatson> DM: Like WCAG?
15:57:51 <LJWatson> MS: Sure, WCAG, ATAG etc.
15:58:24 <LJWatson> JS: PF will be focused on ARIA 1.0 so our attention is limited for other activities, but after that we'll be open to syncing up.
15:58:41 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:58:41 <Zakim> agendum 11. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
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15:59:15 <Zakim> -Janina
15:59:16 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:59:16 <Zakim> -aardrian
15:59:17 <Zakim> -MarkS
15:59:17 <Zakim> -Judy
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15:59:18 <Zakim> Attendees were MarkS, [IPcaller], +1.716.842.aaaa, aardrian, Leonie, Plh, Judy, Janina, Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald
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