IRC log of html-a11y on 2013-10-10
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 2119
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 35 minutes ago
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- Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 10 October 2013
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- agenda?
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- Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
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- Chair: Janina_Sajka
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- agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
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- agenda+ Everyone should rejoin the HTML-WG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0001.html
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- agenda+ CfCs on Revised Work Statement and Decision Procedures [See Below]
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- agenda+ Longdesc Testing CfC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0020.html
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- agenda+ Longdesc LC Comments
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- agenda+ Alt Edits Review [See Below]
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- agenda+ MSE Review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0018.html
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- agenda+ EME Review
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- agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media;
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- agenda+ HTML 5.1 Objectives http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist
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- agenda+ Other Business
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- agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
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- agenda+ be done
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- WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started
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- +??P3
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
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- +MarkS
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- +[IPcaller]
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- + +1.716.842.aaaa
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- Zakim, I am aaaa
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- +aardrian; got it
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- zakim, [IPcaller is Leonie
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- +Leonie; got it
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- zakim, +[IPcaller] is me
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- sorry, LJWatson, I do not recognize a party named '+[IPcaller]'
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is m
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- sorry, LJWatson, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'
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- +Plh
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- scribe: Léonie Watson
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- scribenick LJWatson
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see ??P3, MarkS, Leonie, aardrian, Plh
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- +Judy
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "Everyone should rejoin the HTML-WG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0001.html" taken up [from janina]
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- zakim, ??p3 is Janina
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- +Janina; got it
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- JS: Everyone needs to rejoin the TF. The HTML WG rechartered, and to participate in this TF everyone must be a member of the WG.
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- -> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=40318&public=1 Current Members of HTML WG
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- AR: Does re-joining the WG automatically re-join the TF?
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- JS: Yes, I believe so.
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- JB: We had some trouble with this before. Someone de-bugged it, perhaps Michael?
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- MC: Everyone on this call, seems to have re-joined the WG already, so we're in good shape.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "CfCs on Revised Work Statement and Decision Procedures" taken up [from See Below]
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- JS: PF had rejected the previous process policy the TF put forward, but I believe PF is now agreeable to the current proposal.
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- JS: PF wanted the role of the teleconference to be more clearly spelled out.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4. "Longdesc Testing CfC http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0020.html" taken up [from janina]
- 15:12:30 [LJWatson]
- JS: The WBS on the tests didn't get a lot of response, as Chaals noted. The tests were accepted as sufficient though.
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- MS: We're continuing to test and record results.
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- MS: We're still accepting results if anyone wants to add/confirm.
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 5. "Longdesc LC Comments" taken up [from janina]
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- JS: We were hoping we'd be in a position to call for concensus at this meeting, but we're not quite there.
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- -> https://rawgithub.com/chaals/longdesc-tests/master/test-results.html Preliminary Longdesc testing results
- 15:14:52 [LJWatson]
- JS: There has been a lot of QA activity in recent days, but the TF chairs weren't able to come together to sign off in time for today's telecon.
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- JS: The CFC will be twofold - both for the extension, and for some editorial changes.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6. "Alt Edits Review" taken up [from See Below]
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- JS: We had a response from WCAG to look at section 4.8.1.1 of the spec.
- 15:18:12 [janina]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0030.html
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- JS: Essentially they're signing off on that section being appropriate.
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- JS: Not sure about the first item still, but would like Steve to be here for that discussion.
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- +Cynthia_Shelly
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 7. "MSE Review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Oct/0018.html" taken up [from janina]
- 15:21:27 [LJWatson]
- MS: Janina and I went through the spec. It's highly technical, and so we're taking the approach of going thrugh the user requirements that the TF has developed previously.
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- q+
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- MS: In our reply we're asking whether those requirements have been met by the MSC spec.
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- JS: We introduce complexity when we introduce alternates - text, captions audio description etc.
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- For example a text transcript may take longer to consume than the video content itself, where does responsibility for pausing the video lie?
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- s/MSC/MSE ( = Media Source Extension)/
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- MS: They are thinking about these things in the spec, which is encouraging.
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- JS: We *think they're thinking about them.
- 15:25:11 [Judy]
- Link to the spec under discussion, for those interested: http://www.w3.org/TR/media-source/
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- q?
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- q?
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- ack ju
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- q?
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- Geoff Freed from National Center for Accessible Media (NCAM)
- 15:28:04 [LJWatson]
- Geoff Freed from National Center for Accessible Media (NCAM) may not be able to help with a thorough review before the deadline, but he may be open to helping with specific things.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 8. "EME Review" taken up [from janina]
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- +David_MacDonald
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- DM: The spec defines an API. There didn't seem to be anything too "scary" in there to me.
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- DM: I took a look at it and it appears to just be about how the API's will talk to each other.
- 15:32:47 [LJWatson]
- CS: The code you write as a developer calls the API.
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- DM: Is there a way that someone making an API like this could interfere with the accessibility APIs?
- 15:33:14 [LJWatson]
- CS: Haven't looked at this spec, but in this case I don't think it's likely.
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- JS: We're sensitive to this because of the eBook scenario, in terms of enabling people to access content, but we're not dealin with that kind of media here.
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- CS: We should ask whether any text output will be available to the accessibility APIs, but that's about it.
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- PLH: Not always. In some cases the content is pinged directly to the screen.
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- CS: So whatever does the rendering has to make the content available to the accessibility API.
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- AR: Is it possible to factor that into the spec?
- 15:37:22 [LJWatson]
- CS: If the browser renders it, the browser has to make it available to the accessibility API. If it's a third party renderer, the responsibility lies with them.
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- PLH: This is an idea worth reporting back to the spec WG.
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
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- q+
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- ack judy
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- q?
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- JB: Even if there is a 1% chance that encryption could be applied to accessibility information, we need to address that.
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- AR: We need to be sure that alternate textual information is being exposed to accessibility APIs.
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- AR: + in a non-encrypted manner.
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- PLH: David, what do you mean by audio description?
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- <track type="description">
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- Example audio description clips: http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/tvradiofilm/television/adtv/Pages/ad_clips.aspx
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- JB: We should be aware of the granula requirements we developed through the media sub-team.
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- CS: Don't expect this to be too controversial.
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- MS: Do we know whether the spec covers anything beyond the media stream?
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- PLH: Yes, that's the point.
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- PLH: Very often the tracks will be part of the same file sent to the UA.
- 15:47:17 [LJWatson]
- PLH: Not in the majority, but in some cases at least.
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- PLH: Simply asking the question will be a god start.
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- AR: Clarification on my earlier point - the EME needs to make sure the alternate content needs to expose the information to the accessibility APIs.
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- CS: Not sure that's quite the right approach.
- 15:50:39 [aardrian]
- I am saying that any EME APIs must expose alternate content within the API
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- From there, it can be picked up a11y APIs.
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/10-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 9. "Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Media;" taken up [from janina]
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- LW: but triage hasn't met in awhile. no new bugs that aren't already being taken care of my steve or chaals (longdesc)
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- …there are a fair number of bugs that are marked as resolved that will need to be reviewed by the TF
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- -Plh
- 15:54:27 [MarkS]
- JB: would it make sense to visit TF with these questions so that you can walk people through the list.
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- LW: yes, we can do that.
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- JS: we can section off some time for upcoming meetings to begin walking through these then.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 10. "HTML 5.1 Objectives http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist" taken up [from janina]
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- -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/51wishlist 5.1 Objectives
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- JS: We have a wiki page of points under discussion. It's a living list and additions are welcome.
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
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- MS: We're looking at other specs to see how HTML5.1 could better support them, or be supported by them.
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- MS: Talked about reaching out to other WGs.
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- DM: Like WCAG?
- 15:57:51 [LJWatson]
- MS: Sure, WCAG, ATAG etc.
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- JS: PF will be focused on ARIA 1.0 so our attention is limited for other activities, but after that we'll be open to syncing up.
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 11. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- -Leonie
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- -Janina
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- -David_MacDonald
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- Attendees were MarkS, [IPcaller], +1.716.842.aaaa, aardrian, Leonie, Plh, Judy, Janina, Cynthia_Shelly, David_MacDonald
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