IRC log of forms on 2013-10-02
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be IA_XForms
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- Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 02 October 2013
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- ok, trackbot; I see IA_XForms()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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- Chair: Steven
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- Regrets: Uli, Nick
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Oct/0004
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- IA_XForms()11:00AM has now started
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- Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Oct/0004
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- +pfennell
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- +ebruchez
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- +??P9
- 15:00:32 [Steven]
- zakim, I am ?
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- +Steven; got it
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- Zakim, I am [IPcaller]
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- ok, alain, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
- 15:03:12 [Steven]
- Topic: Announcement
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- Steven: CWI/W3C.nl are planning an XForms event
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- ... (not yet official)
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- Friday 22 Nov, 2013
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- s/Fri/... Fri
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- ... I'll be letting you all know more details
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- ... trying to attract business and govt reps
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- ... probably a tutorial, introductions, overviews
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- ... it's meant to be an introduction, and why people should use it
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- Topic: ACTION-1868 - Problems with error handling and options for variable
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- type handling
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Oct/0002.html
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- [All about recovering from errors]
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- Erik: Error handling is a problem for us
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- ... non cancellable exceptions mean no recovery
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- ... Xpath expressions, binding errors
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- ... ... You can do some static checks
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- ... but as per the spec, there is no error recovery
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- ... not great
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- ... we try to improve on that
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- ... for instance type errors
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- ... and there is the question from Eric vd Vlist
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- There are three types of error: 1) Any XPath expression
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- ... (static or dynamic)
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- ... 2) Binding errors
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- ... 3) In actions for other reasons, especially with extensions
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- ... The answer is simple, for the first two cases,
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- ... we make bindings an empty nodeset, and so controls will not be bound.
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- ... and we dispatch a cancellable event
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- ... same if the type is wrong for a bind
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- ... For actions, which are like a procedure, we interrupt the whole action block
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- ... and dispatch a (new) event to the observer of the original event.
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- ... and you can then catch that.
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- Steven: So you could get a loop of events?
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- Erik: Yes, but you can get that anyway.
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- Steven: If there are use cases, I think that this is a good approach; when we defined error handling originally we didn't contemplate being able to recover from errors in form specification
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- Steven: So this means spec text, right?
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- Erik: Yes, I can do it if it makes sense.
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- Steven: Can we do it before last call?
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- Erik: It's already more fleshed out here than normal.
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- Erik: I'll try for next week.
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- ACTION: Erik to write spec text for error handling
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- Created ACTION-1957 - Write spec text for error handling [on Erik Bruchez - due 2013-10-09].
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- Steven: Any objections?
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- [No].
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- RESOLVED: Adopt Erik's error handling apporach
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- s/por/pro
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- Topic: AOB
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- Steven: We have one other with Nick, but here's not here.
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- Erik: I sent a message to Eric vd Vlist, but he hasn';t replied yet.
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- IA_XForms()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were pfennell, ebruchez, Steven, [IPcaller]
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-forms-minutes.html Steven
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