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14:59:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XForms
14:59:06 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
14:59:06 <trackbot> Date: 02 October 2013
14:59:07 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_XForms()11:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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14:59:21 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:59:25 <Steven> Regrets: Uli, Nick
14:59:31 <Steven> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Oct/0004
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14:59:39 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Oct/0004
14:59:46 <Zakim> +pfennell
15:00:12 <Zakim> +ebruchez
15:00:23 <Zakim> +??P9
15:00:32 <Steven> zakim, I am ?
15:00:32 <Zakim> +Steven; got it
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15:00:49 <alain> Zakim, I am [IPcaller]
15:00:49 <Zakim> ok, alain, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
15:03:12 <Steven> Topic: Announcement
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15:03:28 <Steven> Steven: CWI/W3C.nl  are planning an XForms event
15:03:35 <Steven> ... (not yet official)
15:03:55 <Steven> Friday 22 Nov, 2013
15:04:05 <Steven> s/Fri/... Fri
15:04:19 <Steven> ... I'll be letting you all know more details
15:04:33 <Steven> ... trying to attract business and govt reps
15:04:52 <Steven> ... probably a tutorial, introductions, overviews
15:05:07 <Steven> ... it's meant to be an introduction, and why people should use it
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15:05:37 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-1868 - Problems with error handling and options for variable
15:05:37 <Steven> type handling
15:05:37 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2013Oct/0002.html
15:06:33 <Steven> [All about recovering from errors]
15:06:44 <Steven> Erik: Error handling is a problem for us
15:06:58 <Steven> ... non cancellable exceptions mean no recovery
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15:07:20 <Steven> ... Xpath expressions, binding errors
15:07:42 <Steven> ... ... You can do some static checks
15:08:04 <Steven> ... but as per the spec, there is no error recovery
15:08:13 <Steven> ... not great
15:09:41 <Steven> ... we try to improve on that
15:09:54 <Steven> ... for instance type errors
15:10:24 <Steven> ... and there is the question from Eric vd Vlist
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15:11:06 <Steven> There are three types of error: 1) Any XPath expression
15:11:26 <Steven> ... (static or dynamic)
15:12:12 <Steven> ... 2) Binding errors
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15:12:35 <Steven> ... 3) In actions for other reasons, especially with extensions
15:14:04 <Steven> ... The answer is simple, for the first two cases,
15:14:33 <Steven> ... we make bindings an empty nodeset, and so controls will not be bound.
15:14:52 <Steven> ... and we dispatch a cancellable event
15:15:09 <Steven> ... same if the type is wrong for a bind
15:17:17 <Steven> ... For actions, which are like a procedure, we interrupt the whole action block
15:18:27 <Steven> ... and dispatch a (new) event to the observer of the original event.
15:18:46 <Steven> ... and you can then catch that.
15:19:36 <Steven> Steven: So you could get a loop of events?
15:19:44 <Steven> Erik: Yes, but you can get that anyway.
15:22:21 <Steven> Steven: If there are use cases, I think that this is a good approach; when we defined error handling originally we didn't contemplate being able to recover from errors in form specification
15:23:01 <Steven> Steven: So this means spec text, right?
15:23:13 <Steven> Erik: Yes, I can do it if it makes sense.
15:23:21 <Steven> Steven: Can we do it before last call?
15:23:48 <Steven> Erik: It's already more fleshed out here than normal.
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15:23:55 <Steven> Erik: I'll try for next week.
15:24:05 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to write spec text for error handling
15:24:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1957 - Write spec text for error handling [on Erik Bruchez - due 2013-10-09].
15:24:29 <Steven> Steven: Any objections?
15:24:34 <Steven> [No].
15:24:47 <Steven> RESOLVED: Adopt Erik's error handling apporach
15:24:53 <Steven> s/por/pro
15:25:26 <Steven> Topic: AOB
15:25:37 <Steven> Steven: We have one other with Nick, but here's not here.
15:25:48 <Steven> Erik: I sent a message to Eric vd Vlist, but he hasn';t replied yet.
15:25:52 <Steven> s/;//
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15:26:02 <Zakim> -pfennell
15:26:04 <Zakim> -Steven
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15:26:04 <Zakim> Attendees were pfennell, ebruchez, Steven, [IPcaller]
15:26:12 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:26:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/10/02-forms-minutes.html Steven
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