IRC log of tt on 2013-09-19

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13:55:24 [trackbot]: Zakim, this will be TTML
13:55:24 [Zakim]: ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:55:25 [trackbot]: Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
13:55:25 [trackbot]: Date: 19 September 2013
13:57:36 [Zakim]: SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has now started
13:57:44 [Zakim]: + +1.417.671.aaaa
13:58:10 [Zakim]: + +1.425.558.aabb
13:58:35 [glenn]: zakim, aaaa is glenn
13:58:35 [Zakim]: +glenn; got it
13:58:43 [Sean]: zakim, aabb is sean
13:58:43 [Zakim]: +sean; got it
13:58:57 [Zakim]: +Plh
13:59:16 [glenn]: zakim, aabb is sean
13:59:16 [Zakim]: sorry, glenn, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'
14:01:23 [plh]: tel:+1.617.258.0992 (Office)
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14:04:10 [Zakim]: +[Adobe]
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14:06:45 [plh]: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/4932d6f9d68b/ttml1/spec/ttml1-changes.html#change-history-per-to-rec-2e
14:06:45 [Zakim]: +??P28
14:06:54 [Zakim]: + +49.893.aacc
14:07:05 [tmichel]: zakim, ??P28 is tmichel
14:07:06 [Zakim]: +tmichel; got it
14:07:26 [mijordan]: Zakim, Adobe is mijordan
14:07:26 [Zakim]: +mijordan; got it
14:07:56 [plh]: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/default/ttml10/spec/ttml-changes.html#change-history-per-to-rec-23
14:11:10 [plh]: charset
14:11:10 [plh]: If specified, the charset parameter must match the XML encoding declaration, or if absent, the actual encoding.
14:12:45 [plh]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Aug/0052.html
14:17:38 [tmichel]: +1
14:17:54 [tmichel]: to using TTML1
14:18:12 [Sean]: scribe?
14:18:37 [plh]: http://www.w3.org/TR/ttml1/ will be then
14:18:49 [Zakim]: -Plh
14:19:07 [glenn]: scribenick: mijordan
14:19:42 [glenn]: agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2013Sep/0035.html
14:20:12 [mijordan]: Publication date for TTML 1.0SE is Sept 24
14:21:30 [mijordan]: shortname url forthcoming
14:21:40 [glenn]: Action glenn to send final URL for SE publishing to ML
14:21:40 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-202 - Send final url for se publishing to ml [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].
14:22:02 [mijordan]: Pending review actions:
14:22:17 [glenn]: Topic: Pending Review Actions
14:22:42 [glenn]: action-188?
14:22:42 [trackbot]: action-188 -- Glenn Adams to Create an issue to address the use of other namespace vocabulary in the schema -- due 2013-09-15 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:22:42 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/188
14:23:03 [glenn]: resolved by creating issue-178
14:23:10 [glenn]: s/178/278/
14:23:14 [glenn]: issue-278?
14:23:14 [trackbot]: issue-278 -- Tightening schema support for foreign vocabulary. -- open
14:23:14 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/278
14:23:28 [glenn]: close action-188
14:23:28 [trackbot]: Closed action-188.
14:23:48 [mijordan]: Action-198?
14:23:48 [trackbot]: Action-198 -- Thierry Michel to Check if feature request for tracker notifications on action/issue new comment or status change has been added to requested feature list -- due 2013-09-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:23:48 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/198
14:25:08 [mijordan]: Thierry checked and such notifications are not currently supported. I sent email to w3t-sys requesting the feature, which should eventually show up on http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/todo
14:25:21 [mijordan]: close action-188
14:25:21 [trackbot]: Closed action-188.
14:25:40 [mijordan]: close action-198
14:25:41 [trackbot]: Closed action-198.
14:25:49 [mijordan]: Action-199?
14:25:49 [trackbot]: Action-199 -- Glenn Adams to Create new issue about need for region elements to obtain inherited styles, possibly from layout or tt element -- due 2013-09-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:25:49 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/199
14:26:20 [mijordan]: Opened issue-277
14:26:32 [mijordan]: close Action-199
14:26:32 [trackbot]: Closed Action-199.
14:26:55 [mijordan]: Action-200?
14:26:55 [trackbot]: Action-200 -- Glenn Adams to Add ttp:version to items for possible f2f agenda -- due 2013-09-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:26:55 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/200
14:27:10 [mijordan]: close action-200
14:27:10 [trackbot]: Closed action-200.
14:27:17 [mijordan]: Action-201?
14:27:17 [trackbot]: Action-201 -- Nigel Megitt to Check if pixel aspect ratio makes a difference when performing the min and max comparison -- due 2013-09-12 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:27:17 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/201
14:28:05 [mijordan]: close Action-201
14:28:05 [trackbot]: Closed Action-201.
14:28:33 [mijordan]: Topic: Pending review issues
14:28:57 [mijordan]: Issue-20?
14:28:57 [trackbot]: Issue-20 -- Region border not supported -- pending review
14:28:57 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/20
14:31:03 [mijordan]: Glenn: Added support for tts:border property. Question re supporting additional border styles for CEA-708. Need to determine how CSS3 border styles map to styles in CEA-708.
14:31:54 [mijordan]: Added border on region and content elements since supported in CSS
14:33:03 [mijordan]: close issue-20
14:33:03 [trackbot]: Closed issue-20.
14:33:53 [glenn]: issue-20: if there are issues around 708 styles, a new issue should be opened with specifics
14:33:54 [trackbot]: Notes added to issue-20 Region border not supported.
14:34:25 [glenn]: action glenn to investigate 708 border style mapping issues with mike's help
14:34:25 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-203 - Investigate 708 border style mapping issues with mike's help [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].
14:35:55 [mijordan]: issue-22?
14:35:55 [trackbot]: issue-22 -- window fade in/out not supported? -- pending review
14:35:55 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/22
14:36:38 [mijordan]: Add support for continuous animation using animate element. https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/rev/1d13586de640
14:37:27 [mijordan]: definition from SVG for symantics
14:38:19 [mijordan]: want to make sure it can be mapped to CSS animation
14:38:46 [glenn]: issue-22: need to check how well the animate semantics map to CSS3 Animation
14:38:46 [trackbot]: Notes added to issue-22 window fade in/out not supported?.
14:39:08 [mijordan]: Remain as pending review
14:39:48 [mijordan]: Glenn: other changes made
14:40:41 [mijordan]: - Set element: at support for targeting an element that is not immediate parent of set element
14:42:31 [mijordan]: created grouping element in head for animation, in TTML2 introduced concepts of inline and out-of-line animation
14:44:52 [glenn]: glenn: described recent changes to introduce animate element, inline vs out-of-line animation, etc.
14:45:11 [glenn]: sean: let's leave this issue-22 pending until i can review
14:45:30 [mijordan]: issue-23?
14:45:30 [trackbot]: issue-23 -- intermediate animation of extent -- pending review
14:45:30 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/23
14:46:29 [mijordan]: leave issue-23 pending review and issue-72 open
14:46:41 [mijordan]: issue-159?
14:46:41 [trackbot]: issue-159 -- Text orientation in I18n script processing -- pending review
14:46:41 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/159
14:46:44 [glenn]: s/open/pending review/
14:49:35 [mijordan]: glenn: added tts:textOrientation styling attribute, with mixed, sideways, and upright values. but will be adding sideways-left and sideways-right values
14:49:41 [glenn]: action glenn to add sideways{Left,Right} then close issue-159
14:49:41 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-204 - Add sideways{left,right} then close issue-159 [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].
14:50:22 [glenn]: action-204: should also then be able to close issue-231
14:50:22 [trackbot]: Notes added to action-204 Add sideways{left,right} then close issue-159.
14:50:55 [mijordan]: should be able to close issue-231 at same time
14:51:37 [glenn]: issue-231?
14:51:37 [trackbot]: issue-231 -- Individual character rotation -- open
14:51:37 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/231
14:51:54 [mijordan]: issue-167?
14:51:54 [trackbot]: issue-167 -- allowing attributes that have no semantics on specific elements -- pending review
14:51:54 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/167
14:51:56 [glenn]: issue-231: should be closed upon conclusion of action-204
14:51:56 [trackbot]: Notes added to issue-231 Individual character rotation.
14:53:48 [mijordan]: Added note in 8.2
14:54:39 [mijordan]: Sean: pending review from Mike Dolan
14:54:51 [mijordan]: issue-168?
14:54:51 [trackbot]: issue-168 -- Padding on tt:p and tt:span elements -- pending review
14:54:51 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/168
14:54:52 [glenn]: issue-167: mike should review, but WG appears satisfied
14:54:52 [trackbot]: Notes added to issue-167 allowing attributes that have no semantics on specific elements.
14:55:56 [mijordan]: Glenn: added support for padding for all content elements, maps natively to css and xfl-fo
14:56:31 [mijordan]: question about background color going through padding
14:57:54 [mijordan]: andreas: original requirement from EBU that with added padding the background color displays in the padded portion of the region
14:59:18 [mijordan]: close issue-168
14:59:18 [trackbot]: Closed issue-168.
15:00:24 [mijordan]: andreas: question is there a difference between adding padding on div and p
15:00:39 [mijordan]: glenn: padding is cummulative
15:00:53 [mijordan]: issue-176?
15:00:53 [trackbot]: issue-176 -- Adding support for extent and origin attributes on block elements -- pending review
15:00:53 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/176
15:01:28 [mijordan]: glenn: note added to issue
15:02:39 [mijordan]: sean: note describes solution that has not been the industry practice
15:03:43 [mijordan]: glenn: problem with proposed solution in that it would be confusing to those that think in terms of css
15:04:32 [mijordan]: sean: we'll have to articulate reasons for the change to implementors in the industry
15:07:02 [mijordan]: sean: can't close at this point because it's not what was originally requested
15:07:23 [glenn]: action sean to forward this solution to relevant implementers for their input
15:07:23 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-205 - Forward this solution to relevant implementers for their input [on Sean Hayes - due 2013-09-26].
15:11:06 [mijordan]: Glenn: if we put origin and extent on content element it puts them outside of the region inheritence
15:13:14 [mijordan]: sean: it's an issue of purity over common practice
15:19:09 [mijordan]: put on agenda for face to face
15:20:03 [glenn]: action glenn to add agenda items for F2F to discuss targeted animation, inline vs out-of-line regions
15:20:03 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-206 - Add agenda items for f2f to discuss targeted animation, inline vs out-of-line regions [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].
15:20:14 [mijordan]: issue-178?
15:20:14 [trackbot]: issue-178 -- initial values and style set calculations are unclear, especially for transformable attributes -- pending review
15:20:14 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/178
15:21:25 [mijordan]: keep pending review from Mike Dolan
15:22:47 [mijordan]: issue-193?
15:22:47 [trackbot]: issue-193 -- Address SMPTE Questions for Region, Border, etc. related to character edge attributes -- pending review
15:22:47 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/193
15:23:03 [glenn]: issue-193: closing in deference to more specific issues
15:23:03 [trackbot]: Notes added to issue-193 Address SMPTE Questions for Region, Border, etc. related to character edge attributes.
15:23:17 [mijordan]: closing in deference to more specific issues added later
15:23:46 [mijordan]: close issue-193
15:23:46 [trackbot]: Closed issue-193.
15:24:08 [mijordan]: issue-206?
15:24:08 [trackbot]: issue-206 -- Add ttp:profileCombination parameter -- pending review
15:24:08 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/206
15:25:17 [mijordan]: sean: part of more complex set of changes around profiles. added to agenda for face to face
15:25:27 [mijordan]: keep pending review
15:25:42 [mijordan]: issue-225
15:25:42 [trackbot]: issue-225 -- tts:fontSize as percentage of container dimensions -- pending review
15:25:42 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/225
15:26:21 [mijordan]: glenn: added 4 new units vh/vw and vmin/vmax
15:26:47 [mijordan]: glenn: what does size mean re vmin/vmax
15:27:31 [mijordan]: sean: another issues discussing what does pixel mean in absence of defined space
15:27:45 [mijordan]: glenn: leave pending for time being
15:28:04 [mijordan]: sean: agreed
15:28:16 [mijordan]: issue-232
15:28:16 [trackbot]: issue-232 -- Bottom-to-top text direction -- pending review
15:28:16 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/232
15:29:09 [mijordan]: glenn: proposing to close in absence of bottom to top text direction in css
15:30:17 [mijordan]: sean: agree with closing as ST 428-7 has been deprecated
15:30:29 [mijordan]: close issue-232
15:30:29 [trackbot]: Closed issue-232.
15:30:48 [mijordan]: issue-257?
15:30:48 [trackbot]: issue-257 -- Interpretation of percentage tts:fontSize on region element -- pending review
15:30:48 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/257
15:32:48 [mijordan]: glenn: further tweaked definition of percentage in tts:fontSize
15:33:38 [glenn]: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/default/ttml1/spec/ttml1.html#style-attribute-fontSize
15:33:57 [glenn]: glenn: see clarification of "Percentages:"
15:34:46 [mijordan]: editorial change will be included in TTML 1.0 SE
15:34:55 [mijordan]: close issue-257
15:34:55 [trackbot]: Closed issue-257.
15:35:18 [mijordan]: issue-259?
15:35:18 [trackbot]: issue-259 -- Define "closest" -- pending review
15:35:18 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/259
15:36:07 [mijordan]: Glenn: added definition of "closest" in each place it was used.
15:37:02 [mijordan]: Glenn: pierre suggested adding a round-down clarification
15:37:20 [glenn]: issue-259: need to add "round-down" clarification, then close
15:37:20 [trackbot]: Notes added to issue-259 Define "closest".
15:37:33 [mijordan]: sean: agreed
15:37:52 [glenn]: action glenn to add round-down clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259
15:37:53 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-207 - Add round-down clarification to "closest" language, see issue-259 [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].
15:38:13 [mijordan]: leave as pending
15:38:20 [mijordan]: issue-260?
15:38:20 [trackbot]: issue-260 -- When agent is not @type 'character', then should prohibit actor child. -- pending review
15:38:20 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/260
15:39:04 [mijordan]: Glenn: Addressed by allowing all agent types to be referenced by actor.
15:39:17 [mijordan]: close issue-260
15:39:17 [trackbot]: Closed issue-260.
15:39:34 [mijordan]: issue-261?
15:39:34 [trackbot]: issue-261 -- signaling docoument profile conformance is separate from decoder presentation requirements -- pending review
15:39:34 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/261
15:40:14 [mijordan]: Glenn: added ttp:contentProfile parameter
15:40:22 [mijordan]: leave pending review
15:40:29 [mijordan]: issue-262?
15:40:29 [trackbot]: issue-262 -- tts:extent semantics if value not supported -- pending review
15:40:29 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/262
15:42:15 [mijordan]: Glenn: leave as pending review for Michael Dolan to review, since he raised the issue.
15:42:44 [mijordan]: issue-264?
15:42:44 [trackbot]: issue-264 -- What XML entities are valid in TTML canonical syntax -- pending review
15:42:44 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/264
15:43:08 [glenn]: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/default/ttml1/spec/ttml1.html#concrete-encoding
15:43:43 [glenn]: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#concrete-encoding
15:43:58 [mijordan]: Glenn: added note to appendix N (non-normative) in TTML1
15:45:32 [mijordan]: s/appendix M/appendix N
15:45:52 [mijordan]: same note in TTML2
15:46:29 [mijordan]: close issue-264
15:46:29 [trackbot]: Closed issue-264.
15:46:52 [mijordan]: issue-266?
15:46:52 [trackbot]: issue-266 -- add ability for instance documents to declare what profile(s) it conforms to -- pending review
15:46:52 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/266
15:47:01 [mijordan]: leave pending review
15:47:07 [mijordan]: issue-268?
15:47:07 [trackbot]: issue-268 -- Purpose of new draft wording in 12.2.1 is unclear -- pending review
15:47:07 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/268
15:48:09 [mijordan]: close issue-268
15:48:09 [trackbot]: Closed issue-268.
15:48:25 [mijordan]: issue-271?
15:48:25 [trackbot]: issue-271 -- 9.3.2 Smooth transition reference unavailable or requires purchase to resolve -- pending review
15:48:25 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/271
15:51:10 [mijordan]: close issue-271
15:51:10 [trackbot]: Closed issue-271.
15:51:18 [mijordan]: issue-274?
15:51:18 [trackbot]: issue-274 -- Semantics of "prohibited" features -- pending review
15:51:18 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/274
15:53:15 [mijordan]: Glenn: TTML2 added note: Use of the prohibited value for a feature value is not to be interpreted as meaning that a conformant processor need not or must not support the default semantics that apply for that feature.
15:53:29 [mijordan]: close issue-274
15:53:29 [trackbot]: Closed issue-274.
15:53:39 [mijordan]: issue-275?
15:53:39 [trackbot]: issue-275 -- Improve compatibility with line height 'normal' and CSS/XSL-FO implementations. -- pending review
15:53:39 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/275
15:56:13 [glenn]: action glenn to add note to issue-275 linking to follow-on changelist which changed to 125% and made a note in ttml1
15:56:13 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-208 - Add note to issue-275 linking to follow-on changelist which changed to 125% and made a note in ttml1 [on Glenn Adams - due 2013-09-26].
15:56:24 [mijordan]: close issue-275
15:56:24 [trackbot]: Closed issue-275.
15:56:41 [mijordan]: issue-279?
15:56:41 [trackbot]: issue-279 -- Add @designator attribute to ttp:profile element. -- pending review
15:56:41 [trackbot]: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/279
15:59:23 [mijordan]: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ttml2.html#parameter-vocabulary-profile
16:00:17 [mijordan]: close issue-279
16:00:17 [trackbot]: Closed issue-279.
16:00:42 [Zakim]: - +49.893.aacc
16:00:47 [tmichel]: rrsagent, draft minutes
16:00:47 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/19-tt-minutes.html tmichel
16:00:51 [Zakim]: -sean
16:00:53 [mijordan]: trackbot, end meeting
16:00:53 [trackbot]: Zakim, list attendees
16:00:53 [Zakim]: As of this point the attendees have been +1.417.671.aaaa, +1.425.558.aabb, glenn, sean, Plh, +49.893.aacc, tmichel, mijordan
16:01:01 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:01:01 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/09/19-tt-minutes.html trackbot
16:01:02 [trackbot]: RRSAgent, bye
16:01:02 [RRSAgent]: I see no action items