IRC log of eval on 2013-07-04
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/07/04-eval-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 3825
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
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- Meeting: WCAG 2.0 Evaluation Methodology Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 04 July 2013
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has not yet started, shadi
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- On IRC I see shadi, Zakim, RRSAgent, MartijnHoutepen, trackbot
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- Zakim, what is the date today?
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- I don't understand your question, ericvelleman.
- 13:58:45 [ericvelleman]
- haha
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- WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has now started
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- +Shadi
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- +??P1
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- Zakim, ??P1 is me
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- +MartijnHoutepen; got it
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- +??P2
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- Zakim, ??P2 is me
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- +ericvelleman; got it
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- I put in the pass code quoted in the agenda 3825 but I get a msg that it is invalid...
- 14:02:52 [shadi]
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- has the pass code changed?
- 14:03:10 [Vivienne]
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- 14:03:27 [MartijnHoutepen]
- no, it worked for me
- 14:03:43 [Detlev]
- ok, I#ll dial in again...
- 14:03:59 [MartijnHoutepen]
- we can ask zakim
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- +[IPcaller]
- 14:04:02 [MartijnHoutepen]
- Zakim, what is the passcode?
- 14:04:02 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 3825 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MartijnHoutepen
- 14:04:06 [Vivienne]
- zakim, IPcaller is me
- 14:04:06 [Zakim]
- +Vivienne; got it
- 14:04:41 [Detlev]
- still get thzeis pass code is not valid
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- + +49.404.318.aaaa
- 14:06:15 [MartijnHoutepen]
- scribeNick: MartijnHoutepen
- 14:07:08 [MartijnHoutepen]
- EV: Still working on new editor draft and updated disposition of comments
- 14:07:24 [MartijnHoutepen]
- chair: Eric
- 14:07:34 [MartijnHoutepen]
- Zakim, aaaa is Detlev
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- +Detlev; got it
- 14:08:06 [MartijnHoutepen]
- EV: tried to answer comments we already discussed
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- 14:08:13 [Vivienne]
- ?
- 14:08:19 [Vivienne]
- q+
- 14:09:19 [MartijnHoutepen]
- EV: maybe we can split up the work, searching for things we already discussed
- 14:09:57 [MartijnHoutepen]
- VC: will you add the comments received from Giorgio Brajnik
- 14:10:23 [MartijnHoutepen]
- EV: yes, new version is done and will be up shortly
- 14:11:02 [Vivienne]
- q+
- 14:11:14 [MartijnHoutepen]
- ack Viv
- 14:11:28 [shadi]
- q+
- 14:12:07 [MartijnHoutepen]
- VC: where are we with the 3 questionaires?
- 14:12:19 [MartijnHoutepen]
- VC: Will anybody go to TPAC?
- 14:13:04 [MartijnHoutepen]
- SAZ: most participants are from EU/US, assumed not a quorum because it is in China
- 14:14:11 [MartijnHoutepen]
- I will not be at TPAC
- 14:16:16 [MartijnHoutepen]
- SAZ: this time no questionnaire on TPAC, because past experiences learn us people probably will not travel that far
- 14:18:19 [MartijnHoutepen]
- EV: worked some feedback from questionnaires into new ED, other feedback is not yet processed
- 14:18:37 [shadi_]
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- 14:19:00 [Vivienne]
- q+
- 14:19:31 [MartijnHoutepen]
- EV: still waiting for results from website 3, proposal to postpone filling q3, use this site for a different testing track
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- q- sh
- 14:19:58 [Detlev]
- Zakim, mute me
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- Detlev should now be muted
- 14:20:40 [MartijnHoutepen]
- ack viv
- 14:21:22 [MartijnHoutepen]
- VC: I send around a sample to the list
- 14:22:11 [MartijnHoutepen]
- EV: do you agree to postpone using website three for now, and use it later?
- 14:22:19 [MartijnHoutepen]
- VC: agrees
- 14:22:23 [Detlev]
- Fine with me
- 14:22:27 [MartijnHoutepen]
- +1
- 14:22:34 [Vivienne]
- The sample was sent by email previously Martijn
- 14:23:28 [MartijnHoutepen]
- VC: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2013Jun/0012.html
- 14:23:31 [Detlev]
- q+
- 14:23:59 [Vivienne]
- q+
- 14:24:23 [Detlev]
- ack me
- 14:24:27 [MartijnHoutepen]
- EV: need to discus use case and ramdom sample size
- 14:25:40 [MartijnHoutepen]
- DF: the change from goals oriented to use cases is high impact, we need to go through the entire document and ask the group for permission
- 14:27:43 [MartijnHoutepen]
- SAZ: seems a conceptuel change, we need to get the terms everybody is using clear
- 14:29:21 [MartijnHoutepen]
- EV: maybe put in wbs (survey)
- 14:30:28 [Detlev]
- Zakim, mute me
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- Detlev should now be muted
- 14:30:43 [MartijnHoutepen]
- SAZ: we should end up with 3 or 4 typical types of evaluation
- 14:31:14 [MartijnHoutepen]
- SAZ: types could be separated based on an evaluators point of view
- 14:31:43 [Detlev]
- ack me
- 14:31:47 [Detlev]
- q+
- 14:32:08 [MartijnHoutepen]
- SAZ: focus on the evaluating procedure
- 14:33:40 [shadi_]
- q+ to talk about "regression testing" vs "re-testing"
- 14:34:14 [MartijnHoutepen]
- VC: use case: test, remediation, re-test (for example in accreditation scheme)
- 14:34:25 [MartijnHoutepen]
- VC: use case: test the testers
- 14:37:59 [MartijnHoutepen]
- EV: i will put this in the survey
- 14:38:50 [MartijnHoutepen]
- DF: testing edge cases (most complex pages) is a common use case for us
- 14:39:16 [shadi_]
- q-
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- q- viv
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- q- det
- 14:40:35 [MartijnHoutepen]
- DF: if the aim is fixing complex situations, the aim is not the same as in conformance evaluation
- 14:41:08 [ericvelleman]
- <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2013May/0046.html>
- 14:42:45 [Vivienne]
- q+
- 14:43:02 [MartijnHoutepen]
- EV: postpone random sample size discussion to when we're with more people
- 14:43:34 [Detlev]
- Zakim, mute me
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- Detlev should now be muted
- 14:45:11 [ericvelleman]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2013Jul/0002.html
- 14:45:28 [MartijnHoutepen]
- VC: what is the status on the 'random discussion'
- 14:45:50 [MartijnHoutepen]
- SAZ: sent an e-mail: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2013Jul/0002.html
- 14:46:18 [Vivienne]
- q+
- 14:47:21 [Detlev]
- q+
- 14:48:08 [MartijnHoutepen]
- q- viv
- 14:48:35 [Detlev]
- ack me
- 14:48:48 [MartijnHoutepen]
- EV: in the new DoC there are suggestions on sampling
- 14:51:20 [MartijnHoutepen]
- DF: random sampling is useful, we need to include it
- 14:52:04 [MartijnHoutepen]
- EV: we have to keep it, the question is on how to sample, how much pages, etc
- 14:52:25 [Detlev]
- Zakim, mute me
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- Detlev should now be muted
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- :-)
- 14:53:39 [MartijnHoutepen]
- http://xkcd.com/221/ :-)
- 14:54:09 [Detlev]
- good one :-)))
- 14:54:38 [Detlev]
- q+
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- ack me
- 14:55:47 [MartijnHoutepen]
- SAZ: we need to supply the algorithm to choose randomly
- 14:56:31 [MartijnHoutepen]
- DF: is there a holiday schedule?
- 14:57:16 [MartijnHoutepen]
- SAZ: hope we can break if we have a next publication
- 14:58:08 [Vivienne]
- bye
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- -Detlev
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- -Vivienne
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- -ericvelleman
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- -Shadi
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- -MartijnHoutepen
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- WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Shadi, MartijnHoutepen, ericvelleman, Vivienne, +49.404.318.aaaa, Detlev
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- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
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- sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/04-eval-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
- 14:59:19 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items