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13:43:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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13:43:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3825
13:43:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
13:43:31 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG 2.0 Evaluation Methodology Task Force Teleconference
13:43:31 <trackbot> Date: 04 July 2013
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13:54:22 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:54:22 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has not yet started, shadi
13:54:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see shadi, Zakim, RRSAgent, MartijnHoutepen, trackbot
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13:58:22 <ericvelleman> Zakim, what is the date today?
13:58:22 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, ericvelleman.
13:58:45 <ericvelleman> haha
13:59:06 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has now started
13:59:14 <Zakim> +Shadi
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14:00:01 <Zakim> +??P1
14:00:14 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, ??P1 is me
14:00:14 <Zakim> +MartijnHoutepen; got it
14:00:36 <Zakim> +??P2
14:00:48 <ericvelleman> Zakim, ??P2 is me
14:00:48 <Zakim> +ericvelleman; got it
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14:02:42 <Detlev> I put in the pass code quoted in the agenda 3825 but I get a msg that it is invalid...
14:02:52 <shadi> shadi has joined #eval
14:03:02 <Detlev> has the pass code changed?
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14:03:27 <MartijnHoutepen> no, it worked for me
14:03:43 <Detlev> ok, I#ll dial in again...
14:03:59 <MartijnHoutepen> we can ask zakim
14:03:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:04:02 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, what is the passcode?
14:04:02 <Zakim> the conference code is 3825 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), MartijnHoutepen
14:04:06 <Vivienne> zakim, IPcaller is me
14:04:06 <Zakim> +Vivienne; got it
14:04:41 <Detlev> still get thzeis pass code is not valid
14:05:04 <Zakim> + +49.404.318.aaaa
14:06:15 <MartijnHoutepen> scribeNick: MartijnHoutepen
14:07:08 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: Still working on new editor draft and updated disposition of comments
14:07:24 <MartijnHoutepen> chair: Eric
14:07:34 <MartijnHoutepen> Zakim, aaaa is Detlev
14:07:34 <Zakim> +Detlev; got it
14:08:06 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: tried to answer comments we already discussed
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14:08:13 <Vivienne> ?
14:08:19 <Vivienne> q+
14:09:19 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: maybe we can split up the work, searching for things we already discussed
14:09:57 <MartijnHoutepen> VC: will you add the comments received from Giorgio Brajnik
14:10:23 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: yes, new version is done and will be up shortly
14:11:02 <Vivienne> q+
14:11:14 <MartijnHoutepen> ack Viv
14:11:28 <shadi> q+
14:12:07 <MartijnHoutepen> VC: where are we with the 3 questionaires?
14:12:19 <MartijnHoutepen> VC: Will anybody go to TPAC?
14:13:04 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: most participants are from EU/US, assumed not a quorum because it is in China
14:14:11 <MartijnHoutepen> I will not be at TPAC
14:16:16 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: this time no questionnaire on TPAC, because past experiences learn us people probably will not travel that far
14:18:19 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: worked some feedback from questionnaires into new ED, other feedback is not yet processed
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14:19:00 <Vivienne> q+
14:19:31 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: still waiting for results from website 3, proposal to postpone filling q3, use this site for a different testing track
14:19:43 <shadi> shadi has joined #eval
14:19:44 <MartijnHoutepen> q- sh
14:19:58 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
14:19:58 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
14:20:40 <MartijnHoutepen> ack viv
14:21:22 <MartijnHoutepen> VC: I send around a sample to the list
14:22:11 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: do you agree to postpone using website three for now, and use it later?
14:22:19 <MartijnHoutepen> VC: agrees
14:22:23 <Detlev> Fine with me
14:22:27 <MartijnHoutepen> +1
14:22:34 <Vivienne> The sample was sent by email previously Martijn
14:23:28 <MartijnHoutepen> VC: see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2013Jun/0012.html
14:23:31 <Detlev> q+
14:23:59 <Vivienne> q+
14:24:23 <Detlev> ack me
14:24:27 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: need to discus use case and ramdom sample size
14:25:40 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: the change from goals oriented to use cases is high impact, we need to go through the entire document and ask the group for permission
14:27:43 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: seems a conceptuel change, we need to get the terms everybody is using clear
14:29:21 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: maybe put in wbs (survey)
14:30:28 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
14:30:28 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
14:30:43 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: we should end up with 3 or 4 typical types of evaluation
14:31:14 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: types could be separated based on an evaluators point of view
14:31:43 <Detlev> ack me
14:31:47 <Detlev> q+
14:32:08 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: focus on the evaluating procedure
14:33:40 <shadi_> q+ to talk about "regression testing" vs "re-testing"
14:34:14 <MartijnHoutepen> VC: use case: test, remediation, re-test (for example in accreditation scheme)
14:34:25 <MartijnHoutepen> VC: use case: test the testers
14:37:59 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: i will put this in the survey
14:38:50 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: testing edge cases (most complex pages) is a common use case for us
14:39:16 <shadi_> q-
14:39:52 <MartijnHoutepen> q- viv
14:39:57 <MartijnHoutepen> q- det
14:40:35 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: if the aim is fixing complex situations, the aim is not the same as in conformance evaluation
14:41:08 <ericvelleman> <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2013May/0046.html>
14:42:45 <Vivienne> q+
14:43:02 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: postpone random sample size discussion to when we're with more people
14:43:34 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
14:43:34 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
14:45:11 <ericvelleman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2013Jul/0002.html
14:45:28 <MartijnHoutepen> VC: what is the status on the 'random discussion'
14:45:50 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: sent an e-mail: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-evaltf/2013Jul/0002.html
14:46:18 <Vivienne> q+
14:47:21 <Detlev> q+
14:48:08 <MartijnHoutepen> q- viv
14:48:35 <Detlev> ack me
14:48:48 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: in the new DoC there are suggestions on sampling
14:51:20 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: random sampling is useful, we need to include it
14:52:04 <MartijnHoutepen> EV: we have to keep it, the question is on how to sample, how much pages, etc
14:52:25 <Detlev> Zakim, mute me
14:52:25 <Zakim> Detlev should now be muted
14:53:19 <Detlev> :-)
14:53:39 <MartijnHoutepen> http://xkcd.com/221/  :-)
14:54:09 <Detlev> good one :-)))
14:54:38 <Detlev> q+
14:54:45 <Detlev> ack me
14:55:47 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: we need to supply the algorithm to choose randomly
14:56:31 <MartijnHoutepen> DF: is there a holiday schedule?
14:57:16 <MartijnHoutepen> SAZ: hope we can break if we have a next publication
14:58:08 <Vivienne> bye
14:58:11 <Zakim> -Detlev
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14:58:27 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:58:33 <Zakim> -MartijnHoutepen
14:58:34 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG(Eval TF)10:00AM has ended
14:58:34 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, MartijnHoutepen, ericvelleman, Vivienne, +49.404.318.aaaa, Detlev
14:59:10 <shadi_> trackbot, end meeting
14:59:10 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:59:10 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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14:59:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:59:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/07/04-eval-minutes.html trackbot
14:59:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:59:19 <RRSAgent> I see no action items