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17:04:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
17:04:20 <Zakim> "WAI_PF" matches WAI_PFWG(HTML A11Y)2:00PM, and WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM, trackbot
17:04:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
17:04:20 <trackbot> Date: 20 June 2013
17:04:45 <clown> scribenick: clown
17:04:52 <clown> rrsagent, make log public
17:04:59 <clown> RRSAgent:  make mintues
17:04:59 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make mintues', clown.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:05:08 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
17:05:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
17:06:38 <clown> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:06:38 <Zakim> sorry, clown, I don't know what conference this is
17:06:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, clown, MichaelC, davidb, trackbot
17:06:54 <clown> zakim, this is WAI_PF
17:06:54 <Zakim> ok, clown; that matches WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM
17:07:03 <clown> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:07:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see [GVoice]
17:07:11 <clown> GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:07:19 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:07:19 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
17:07:26 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:07:26 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:08:32 <clown> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0004.html
17:10:16 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
17:10:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
17:11:45 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
17:12:18 <davidb> Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
17:12:18 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
17:12:34 <clown> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0004.html
17:13:19 <clown> topic:  ACTION-1200
17:13:23 <clown> action-1200?
17:13:23 <trackbot> ACTION-1200 -- Cynthia Shelly to create table for author errors in UAIG, with columns for each API. -- due 2013-06-13 -- OPEN
17:13:23 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
17:13:59 <clown> JS:  regarding author errors.
17:14:00 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#document-handling_author-errors
17:14:51 <clown> JS:  Cynthia was going to add columns and value for each a11y platform.
17:16:34 <clown> JS: Cynthia's proposall is here on wai-xtech:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0002.html
17:23:18 <clown> JS:  I suggested a compromise — to link from the error table to the roles table.
17:23:32 <clown> JS: But the more I think about it, the more I want to just fill in the error table.
17:23:48 <clown> JS:  there is the danger of keeping the two tables in sync.
17:23:54 <clown> DB:  yes, that's true.
17:24:20 <clown> JS:  so, I will take a stab at filling in the error table?
17:25:17 <clown> DB:  Sure, we can see how it looks, and if necessary, move it to the roles table later, if that looks better.
17:35:05 <davidb> https://github.com/eeejay/specular
17:36:50 <davidb> https://github.com/askalski/mats
17:38:17 <clown> topic:  ACTION-1221
17:38:22 <clown> ACTION-1221?
17:38:22 <trackbot> ACTION-1221 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to for ISSUE-559, remove the text near the end of the section about ATK/AT-SPI about aria-atomic and member-of, and point to the aria-atomic='true' entry in the mapping table. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
17:38:22 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1221
17:38:54 <clown> JS:  see also issue-559
17:39:00 <clown> ISSUE-559?
17:39:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-559 -- Missing member of relationships -- open
17:39:00 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/559
17:40:59 <clown> look here, but scroll up a bit:  http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
17:41:13 <clown> Look for:  Exposing additional useful information about the context of the change
17:41:53 <clown> JS:  the easy solution is to add:  In ATK/AT-SPI *and IA2*.
17:42:54 <clown> JS:  previously we though to remove this, but reference the states and properties mapping table.
17:43:18 <clown> JS: but that doesn't work because this is about events, and the mapping table is (mostly) about data.
17:43:26 <clown> DB:  so, how about just adding IA2?
17:43:30 <clown> JS:  works for me.
17:43:56 <clown> JS:  just need to confirm that it works that way for IA2.
17:44:07 <clown> DB:  I believe it does.
17:45:51 <clown> resolved:  Joseph to add "and MSAA+IA2" to the section on context changes where it already discusses ATK/AT-SPI (towards the end of section 5.8.2).
17:45:54 <davidb> so when are all the APIs going to converge :)
17:49:08 <davidb> (DB and JS discuss ARIA's scope)
17:54:44 <clown> topic:  ACTION-1222
17:54:50 <clown> action-1222?
17:54:50 <trackbot> ACTION-1222 -- David Bolter to look into ISSUE-583, and think about section 4.3, step 4A to see if that answers the question. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
17:54:50 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1222
17:54:59 <clown> issue-583?
17:55:00 <trackbot> ISSUE-583 -- Elements that are descendants of an element having aria-activedescendant should not all be focusable -- open
17:55:00 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/583
17:59:40 <clown> DB:  I *think* 4A. in section 4.3 is still fragile — or I'm unsure.
18:00:24 <clown> JS:  the problem is that not all descendants of a container that has a aria-activedescendant are intended to be "focusable".
18:01:48 <clown> JS:  Rich is asking for another criterion so that only the intended focusable descendants are marked focusable.
18:02:03 <clown> JS:  He suggests that the descendant must have an ID attribute.
18:02:27 <clown> DB:  but that won't always work since ID might be used for, say, styling.
18:02:36 <clown> JS;  right
18:06:07 <clown> rssagent, make minutes
18:06:18 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
18:06:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:06:37 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:07:09 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
18:07:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:07:43 <clown> s/JS;/JS:/
18:07:49 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
18:07:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:08:19 <clown> s/rssagent, make minutes//
18:08:21 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
18:08:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:08:36 <clown> zakim, bye
18:08:36 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter
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18:09:02 <clown> regrets:  Cynthia_Shelly
18:09:05 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
18:09:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:09:38 <clown> s/GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer//
18:09:40 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
18:09:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/20-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:15:46 <clown> rrsagent, please part
18:15:46 <RRSAgent> I see no action items