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16:53:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
16:53:10 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
16:53:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
16:53:11 <trackbot> Date: 13 June 2013
16:53:33 <clown> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0000.html
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16:54:14 <clown> Chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
16:54:21 <clown> scribenick:  clown
16:54:24 <clown> Chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
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17:00:46 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
17:00:55 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:00:55 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
17:01:10 <clown> zakim, I am Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:01:10 <Zakim> ok, clown, I now associate you with Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:25 <Zakim> +[Mozilla]
17:03:19 <davidb_> Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
17:03:19 <Zakim> +David_Bolter; got it
17:05:03 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:05:45 <clown> topic:  Last call for UAIG
17:05:56 <clown> CS:  can we go to last call by next week?
17:06:09 <clown> CS:  picking a realistic date and stickly with it.
17:06:24 <clown> CS:  do either of you think next week is feasible
17:06:31 <clown> DB:  not really
17:06:49 <clown> JS:  no, because I can't make all the edits that we know about by then.
17:07:14 <clown> CS:  there is a bunch of work items, and then a number of issues and actions.
17:07:30 <clown> CS: we can go thru them and say "no" (as the default action).
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17:08:02 <clown> JS:  I have been bringing up some of the issues at the mon calls, and it's slow going to get consenus on them, one way or another.
17:08:22 <clown> CS:  the default answer is "no".
17:08:35 <clown> JS: If the default is no, then the due date and/or version needs to change.
17:08:55 <clown> JS:  either they are 1.1 or 2.0 issues and are due at some later date.
17:09:58 <clown> CS:  we could switch them to 1.1 or 2.0, and say can you live with that?
17:11:32 <clown> JS:  a danger is the public gets to comment on last call.
17:11:44 <clown> JS: are these issues going to come back from the public comments?
17:11:58 <clown> CS:  they might, but we could still say this is for the next version.
17:12:44 <clown> JS:  David, here is the URL to outstanding issues and actions:  https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
17:12:57 <clown> JS:  what do you think about Cynthia's suggestion.
17:14:29 <clown> DB:  we could probably do that for a lot of them, but not sure about all of them.
17:14:52 <clown> topic:  bug 19772.
17:15:01 <clown> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772
17:15:10 <clown> JS:  Cynthia, can we close this?
17:16:01 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
17:16:29 <clown> JS:  for UIA express, I put back:  "If http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-expandedhttp://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-expanded is not "true", expose STATE_SYSTEM_COLLAPSED"
17:17:10 <clown> CS:  let me close the bug, or you could.
17:18:05 <clown> JS: closing… nope. can't find my password.
17:19:00 <clown> CS:  I'll close it.  "resolved/fixed".
17:19:32 <clown> topic:  ACTION-1200
17:19:34 <clown> action-1200?
17:19:35 <trackbot> ACTION-1200 -- Cynthia Shelly to create table for author errors in UAIG, with columns for each API. -- due 2013-06-13 -- OPEN
17:19:35 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
17:20:04 <clown> CS:  I might have to work on it on the weekend.
17:20:08 <clown> JS:  that's fine.
17:20:44 <clown> JS:  If it helps, I can make the table, if you can give me the contents.
17:21:14 <clown> topic:  Last call for UAIG.
17:21:40 <clown> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0000.html
17:22:28 <clown> JS:  David, you have some actions/issues to deal with before last call.
17:22:49 <clown> JS:  we don't have to do them now, but could you look at them and get back to me by email?
17:23:00 <clown> DB:  I'll put them in my to-do list.
17:23:19 <clown> JS:  So, let's look at the overall issue/action list.
17:23:34 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
17:23:51 <clown> issue-486?
17:23:52 <trackbot> ISSUE-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open
17:23:52 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486
17:26:46 <clown> JS:  the only thing that is outstanding, I think, is the mapping conflict between html5 native semantics and aria semantics.
17:26:57 <clown> CS:  the text was a negotiated selttelement.
17:27:03 <clown> CS:  I don't think we should remove it.
17:27:25 <clown> CS:  but see what Michael says.
17:27:51 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_conflicts
17:29:18 <clown> CS:  If Michael thinks we can safely remove it, then we can do that.  Or make and run the tests.
17:29:27 <clown> JS:  I think Michael wants to make the tests.
17:30:06 <clown> DB:  I think we sort of have to do more tests.
17:30:27 <clown> issue-551?
17:30:27 <trackbot> ISSUE-551 -- When UAIG enters CR, we need to ask Director if we have to have 2 mappings to all platforms, or just demonstrate implementability of mapping via a sample and say all the mappings are therefore defined implementable -- open
17:30:27 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551
17:30:43 <clown> CS:  michael action item.
17:31:01 <clown> JS:  doesn't change the UAIG
17:31:17 <clown> CS:  It might.  we might have to merge the UIA and UIA express column.
17:31:30 <clown> CS:  we need to wait on the director's response here.
17:31:39 <clown> CS:  and, that would not happen until July, then.
17:31:53 <clown> issue-552?
17:31:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-552 -- UAIG spec. is inaccurate wrt selection events pertaining to aria-selected being applied (MSAA/IA2) -- open
17:31:53 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/552
17:33:22 <clown> JS:  for more information, the issue points to this email:  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JanMar/0083.html
17:33:58 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
17:34:34 <clown> JS:  the add and remove events happen in a multiselectable scenario, according to the UAIG.
17:36:20 <clown> JS:  Rich references this test case:  https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=672
17:37:16 <clown> JS:  here is the test file: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests/test-files/selected-state/672.html
17:37:41 <clown> JS:  it's a list box with one option in it.
17:38:12 <clown> JS:  aria-multiselectable (or whatever it's called) is not specified.
17:38:37 <clown> DB:  I wonder what's default for a list box?
17:38:47 <clown> JS: default for aria-multislectable is false.
17:39:16 <clown> DB:  Looks like the test case needs mutli-selectable set.
17:40:05 <clown> JS:  so all the test file needs it an aria-multiselectable="true" on the listbox container.
17:40:58 <clown> JS: looks like you can close your action 1220.
17:41:25 <clown> DB:  okay, I can close it.
17:41:39 <clown> issue-559?
17:41:39 <trackbot> ISSUE-559 -- Missing member of relationships -- open
17:41:39 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/559
17:44:11 <clown> JS:  the text Rich is talking about is near here:  http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_visibility
17:44:50 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
17:46:00 <clown> DB: I think we can add MSAA+IA2 to that bullted list.
17:46:15 <clown> JS:  okay, I'll take care of it somewho.
17:46:30 <clown> issue-550?
17:46:30 <trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- closed
17:46:30 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
17:46:38 <clown> issue-560?
17:46:38 <trackbot> ISSUE-560 -- MSAA/IA2 spec. inconsistent with implementation in FF on aria-activedescendant -- open
17:46:39 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/560
17:47:12 <clown> CS:  this whole focus and ad thing, we had lots of discussion on.
17:47:28 <clown> CS: we should not re-open.  Let's move this to 2.0.
17:48:10 <clown> Resolved:  change issue-560 product to Aria 2.0
17:49:02 <clown> JS:  noting that the test case is currently failing.
17:49:52 <clown> CS:  I think the problem is that the negotiated solution is not consistent with the implementation in either FF nor IE.
17:50:12 <clown> CS:  there is a test case is failing.  What do we do?
17:51:03 <clown> DB:  I think we ended up softening the wording.
17:51:25 <clown> CS:  is there any way we can soften the test case.
17:51:52 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=190
17:52:51 <clown> JS:  quoting the expected result:  Accessible with id='test' has role ROLE_SYSTEM_GROUPING, AND
17:52:51 <clown> Does not expose STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, AND
17:52:51 <clown> Accessible with id='obj1' exposes STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE and STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED.
17:53:08 <clown> DB:  that makes sense to me for FF
17:53:28 <clown> JS:  here the test file:  https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests/test-files/roles-properties-supported/roles-properties-supported-group-aria-activedescendant-obj1.html
17:54:03 <clown> CS:  it passes in IE.
17:54:29 <clown> CS:  David, it looks like you have a bug.
17:54:51 <clown> CS:  it has a pass for FF in the test report.
17:55:09 <cyns> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=1
17:55:36 <clown> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=190
17:56:08 <davidb> passes in IE and FF
17:57:16 <clown> JS:  looks like Rich passed it.
17:57:26 <clown> JS:  making note in issue to ask rich about it.
17:57:43 <clown> JS:  it's listed as aria 2.0.  Why is ther a 1.0 test case then?
17:58:31 <clown> CS:  next meeting is Jul 11
17:59:29 <clown> CS:  do you think we can get through the rest on the next meeting?
17:59:39 <clown> CS:  could we do a 2 hour meeting next time?
18:00:06 <clown> DB:  I can't make the 11th.
18:00:37 <clown> DB:  I could have a meeting w/ Joseph betfore then, while you are on vacation.
18:02:54 <clown> JS:  let's meeting next at noon EDT/9am PDT for an hour on Jul 2nd.
18:03:11 <clown> s/meeting next/meet next/
18:03:42 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
18:03:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:04:00 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
18:04:29 <davidb> Zakim, hang up
18:04:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'hang up', davidb
18:04:30 <clown> zakim, bye
18:04:30 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter, [Microsoft]
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18:04:47 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
18:04:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-aapi-minutes.html clown
18:05:53 <clown> present:  Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter, Cynthia_Shelly
18:05:55 <clown> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:13:11 <clown> rrsagent, please part
18:13:11 <RRSAgent> I see no action items