IRC log of aapi on 2013-06-13
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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- Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 13 June 2013
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0000.html
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- Chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- Chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
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- topic: Last call for UAIG
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- CS: can we go to last call by next week?
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- CS: picking a realistic date and stickly with it.
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- CS: do either of you think next week is feasible
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- DB: not really
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- JS: no, because I can't make all the edits that we know about by then.
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- CS: there is a bunch of work items, and then a number of issues and actions.
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- CS: we can go thru them and say "no" (as the default action).
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- JS: I have been bringing up some of the issues at the mon calls, and it's slow going to get consenus on them, one way or another.
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- CS: the default answer is "no".
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- JS: If the default is no, then the due date and/or version needs to change.
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- JS: either they are 1.1 or 2.0 issues and are due at some later date.
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- CS: we could switch them to 1.1 or 2.0, and say can you live with that?
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- JS: a danger is the public gets to comment on last call.
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- JS: are these issues going to come back from the public comments?
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- CS: they might, but we could still say this is for the next version.
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- JS: David, here is the URL to outstanding issues and actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
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- JS: what do you think about Cynthia's suggestion.
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- DB: we could probably do that for a lot of them, but not sure about all of them.
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- topic: bug 19772.
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19772
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- JS: Cynthia, can we close this?
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table
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- JS: for UIA express, I put back: "If http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-expandedhttp://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/states_and_properties#aria-expanded is not "true", expose STATE_SYSTEM_COLLAPSED"
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- CS: let me close the bug, or you could.
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- JS: closing… nope. can't find my password.
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- CS: I'll close it. "resolved/fixed".
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- topic: ACTION-1200
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- action-1200?
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- ACTION-1200 -- Cynthia Shelly to create table for author errors in UAIG, with columns for each API. -- due 2013-06-13 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
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- CS: I might have to work on it on the weekend.
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- JS: that's fine.
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- JS: If it helps, I can make the table, if you can give me the contents.
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- topic: Last call for UAIG.
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013Jun/0000.html
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- JS: David, you have some actions/issues to deal with before last call.
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- JS: we don't have to do them now, but could you look at them and get back to me by email?
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- DB: I'll put them in my to-do list.
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- JS: So, let's look at the overall issue/action list.
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10
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- issue-486?
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- ISSUE-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486
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- JS: the only thing that is outstanding, I think, is the mapping conflict between html5 native semantics and aria semantics.
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- CS: the text was a negotiated selttelement.
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- CS: I don't think we should remove it.
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- CS: but see what Michael says.
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_conflicts
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- CS: If Michael thinks we can safely remove it, then we can do that. Or make and run the tests.
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- JS: I think Michael wants to make the tests.
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- DB: I think we sort of have to do more tests.
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- issue-551?
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- ISSUE-551 -- When UAIG enters CR, we need to ask Director if we have to have 2 mappings to all platforms, or just demonstrate implementability of mapping via a sample and say all the mappings are therefore defined implementable -- open
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/551
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- CS: michael action item.
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- JS: doesn't change the UAIG
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- CS: It might. we might have to merge the UIA and UIA express column.
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- CS: we need to wait on the director's response here.
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- CS: and, that would not happen until July, then.
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- issue-552?
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- ISSUE-552 -- UAIG spec. is inaccurate wrt selection events pertaining to aria-selected being applied (MSAA/IA2) -- open
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/552
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- JS: for more information, the issue points to this email: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2013JanMar/0083.html
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
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- JS: the add and remove events happen in a multiselectable scenario, according to the UAIG.
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- JS: Rich references this test case: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=672
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- JS: here is the test file: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests/test-files/selected-state/672.html
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- JS: it's a list box with one option in it.
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- JS: aria-multiselectable (or whatever it's called) is not specified.
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- DB: I wonder what's default for a list box?
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- JS: default for aria-multislectable is false.
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- DB: Looks like the test case needs mutli-selectable set.
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- JS: so all the test file needs it an aria-multiselectable="true" on the listbox container.
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- JS: looks like you can close your action 1220.
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- DB: okay, I can close it.
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- issue-559?
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- ISSUE-559 -- Missing member of relationships -- open
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/559
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- JS: the text Rich is talking about is near here: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_visibility
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_events_selection
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- DB: I think we can add MSAA+IA2 to that bullted list.
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- JS: okay, I'll take care of it somewho.
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- issue-550?
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- ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- closed
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
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- issue-560?
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- ISSUE-560 -- MSAA/IA2 spec. inconsistent with implementation in FF on aria-activedescendant -- open
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/560
- 17:47:12 [clown]
- CS: this whole focus and ad thing, we had lots of discussion on.
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- CS: we should not re-open. Let's move this to 2.0.
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- Resolved: change issue-560 product to Aria 2.0
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- JS: noting that the test case is currently failing.
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- CS: I think the problem is that the negotiated solution is not consistent with the implementation in either FF nor IE.
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- CS: there is a test case is failing. What do we do?
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- DB: I think we ended up softening the wording.
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- CS: is there any way we can soften the test case.
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=190
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- JS: quoting the expected result: Accessible with id='test' has role ROLE_SYSTEM_GROUPING, AND
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- Does not expose STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, AND
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- Accessible with id='obj1' exposes STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE and STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED.
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- DB: that makes sense to me for FF
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- JS: here the test file: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pfwg/raw-file/default/ARIA/1.0/tests/test-files/roles-properties-supported/roles-properties-supported-group-aria-activedescendant-obj1.html
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- CS: it passes in IE.
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- CS: David, it looks like you have a bug.
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- CS: it has a pass for FF in the test report.
- 17:55:09 [cyns]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testreport?testsuite_id=1
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- https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testresults?testsuite_id=1&testcase_id=190
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- passes in IE and FF
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- JS: looks like Rich passed it.
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- JS: making note in issue to ask rich about it.
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- JS: it's listed as aria 2.0. Why is ther a 1.0 test case then?
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- CS: next meeting is Jul 11
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- CS: do you think we can get through the rest on the next meeting?
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- CS: could we do a 2 hour meeting next time?
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- DB: I can't make the 11th.
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- DB: I could have a meeting w/ Joseph betfore then, while you are on vacation.
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- JS: let's meeting next at noon EDT/9am PDT for an hour on Jul 2nd.
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- s/meeting next/meet next/
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- Zakim, hang up
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- I don't understand 'hang up', davidb
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter, [Microsoft]
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- present: Joseph_Scheuhammer, David_Bolter, Cynthia_Shelly
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- I see no action items