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19:59:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
19:59:43 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute
19:59:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
19:59:44 <trackbot> Date: 06 June 2013
20:00:37 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has now started
20:00:44 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
20:01:15 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
20:01:15 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
20:01:15 <Zakim> +Cooper
20:02:18 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2013AprJun/0075.html
20:02:18 <MichaelC> chair: James_Nurthen
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20:03:05 <Zakim> +Paul_Adam
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20:03:18 <MichaelC> meeting: HTML5 and WAI-ARIA WCAG Techniques Task Force
20:03:34 <pauljadam> http://pauljadam.com/demos/aria-alert-validation.html
20:03:47 <jamesn_> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/aria060613/results
20:04:08 <pauljadam> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_ARIA_Live_Regions_or_role%3Dalert_to_Identify_Errors#Examples
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20:07:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
20:07:28 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is Adam_Solomon
20:07:28 <Zakim> +Adam_Solomon; got it
20:10:02 <jamesn_> scribe:pauljadam
20:10:17 <jamesn_> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/aria060613/results#xlabel
20:10:29 <jamesn_> F59: Failure of Success Criterion 4.1.2 due to using script to make div or span a user interface control in HTML
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20:16:37 <adam_solomon> edit done
20:18:19 <pauljadam> discussion about adding tabindex to F59
20:21:03 <pauljadam> jamesn_ if F59 is changed to include tab index then lack of role fails 4.1.2, lack of tab index fails 2.1.1
20:22:02 <pauljadam> MIchaelC: have a separate failure for lack of tab index rather than combining F59
20:23:28 <jamesn_> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/failures.html#F54
20:23:47 <pauljadam> jamesn_: can we put the tabindex into F54?
20:25:38 <pauljadam> discussion that tabindex should not be added to F59, consensus is that we can make this change
20:27:18 <jamesn_> Detlev to edit F59 to remove tab index disussion. Either find a new failure for tabindex or roll into F54 or F42.
20:28:57 <pauljadam> discussion that tabindex=0 will make an element focusable
20:30:43 <pauljadam> jamesn_: discussion about a map page where keyboard user would use a select input to choose a state but a sighted user might click on the actual map of the state
20:32:07 <pauljadam> jamesn_: sometimes it's more complicated to make the visual user interface accessible than to just provide an accessible alternative that works the same
20:33:03 <pauljadam> jamesn_: want to make sure that this technique does not outlaw use of alternative accessible interfaces to a visual interface that would be very difficult to make accessible
20:34:15 <pauljadam> discussion to change failure to say unless an alternative user interface is provided
20:35:03 <pauljadam> MichaelC: need to make sure failures cannot be overridden
20:35:36 <jamesn_> If those elements are acting as user interface controls, check that either the role of the control is defined or an alternative method is provided to provide the same functionality.
20:36:42 <pauljadam> adam_solomon: edited the test procedure step 2 to allow use of alternative user interface for the inaccessible control
20:37:41 <pauljadam> jamesn_: also remove the test procedure step 3 to eliminate tabindex as a check
20:40:20 <pauljadam> discussion on whether to remove tabindex check in test procedure step 3
20:42:17 <pauljadam> adam_solomon: will revisit removing the tabindex check from test procedure step 3
20:42:44 <jamesn_> action: adam to revisit removing the tabindex check from test procedure step 3 in F59
20:42:44 <trackbot> 'adam' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., padam2, asolomon).
20:42:58 <jamesn_> action: asolomon to revisit removing the tabindex check from test procedure step 3 in F59
20:42:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-203 - Revisit removing the tabindex check from test procedure step 3 in F59 [on Adam Solomon - due 2013-06-13].
20:43:32 <jamesn_> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/ARIA-edit:_F63:_Failure_of_Success_Criterion_2.4.4_due_to_providing_link_context_only_in_content_that_is_not_related_to_the_link
20:43:41 <pauljadam> Moving on to F63: Failure of Success Criterion 2.4.4 due to providing link context only in content that is not related to the link
20:44:37 <pauljadam> adam_solomon: example 3, is it saying this is a failure?
20:45:55 <pauljadam> discussion about definition list support in screen readers
20:47:22 <pauljadam> discussion about yes you can have 2 <dd> per <dt>
20:48:12 <pauljadam> adam_solomon: does at support relationship between <dt> and <dd>?
20:49:12 <pauljadam> discussion that this should work but not sure if screen readers support <dt><dd>
20:49:48 <pauljadam> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-TECHS/H48.html
20:51:21 <pauljadam> discussion that we all think <dt><dd> should work but screen readers have bad support for definition lists
20:51:57 <pauljadam> discussion about link purpose and headings
20:53:05 <pauljadam> discussion about navigating via links list with 3 click here links and how do you determine link purpose
20:54:03 <pauljadam> jamesn_: prepared to leave definition list example in the failure F63
20:56:47 <pauljadam> discussion about removing failure example of using definition lists in F63
20:58:45 <pauljadam> adam_solomon: implementing MichaelC's comment suggestion in F63
21:00:04 <Zakim> -Adam_Solomon
21:00:17 <Zakim> -Cooper
21:00:19 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
21:00:34 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were James_Nurthen, Cooper, Paul_Adam, Adam_Solomon, Marc_Johlic
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21:00:53 <pauljadam> rrsagent, make minutes
21:00:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-html-techs-tf-minutes.html pauljadam
21:04:11 <jamesn_> http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-html-techs-tf-minutes.html,text
21:06:18 <pauljadam> rssagent, please part
21:06:35 <pauljadam> rrsagent, please part
21:06:35 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-html-techs-tf-actions.rdf :
21:06:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: adam to revisit removing the tabindex check from test procedure step 3 in F59 [1]
21:06:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-html-techs-tf-irc#T20-42-44
21:06:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: asolomon to revisit removing the tabindex check from test procedure step 3 in F59 [2]
21:06:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2013/06/06-html-techs-tf-irc#T20-42-58