IRC log of html-a11y on 2013-05-23
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-irc
- 15:03:26 [LJWatson]
- zakim, this is 2119
- 15:03:27 [Zakim]
- ok, LJWatson; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
- 15:03:44 [LJWatson]
- zakim, [ipcaller] is LJWatson
- 15:03:44 [Zakim]
- +LJWatson; got it
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- agenda+ Identify Scribe
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- agenda+ API guide
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- agenda+ HTML5 testing
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- agenda+ Media Transcript
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- agenda+ Text Bugs (Continued)
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- agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Wiki, TF pages,
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- agenda+ similar administrative items Other Business
- 15:05:07 [LJWatson]
- agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference
- 15:05:11 [Zakim]
- +darobin
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- zakim, save agenda
- 15:05:19 [Zakim]
- ok, LJWatson, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-agenda.rdf
- 15:05:27 [paulc]
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- 15:05:33 [LJWatson]
- Chair: Steve Faulkner
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- zakim, what is the code?
- 15:05:46 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
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- +[Microsoft]
- 15:06:22 [LJWatson]
- scribe: LJWatson
- 15:06:34 [paulc]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:06:34 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see David_MacDonald, ??P3, LJWatson, John_Foliot, darobin, [Microsoft]
- 15:06:39 [LJWatson]
- zakim, close item 1
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- agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
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- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. API guide [from LJWatson]
- 15:06:51 [paulc]
- zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
- 15:06:51 [Zakim]
- +paulc; got it
- 15:06:55 [janina]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:06:55 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see David_MacDonald, ??P3, LJWatson, John_Foliot, darobin, [Microsoft]
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- [Microsoft] has paulc
- 15:06:59 [SteveF]
- zakim, ??P3 is me
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- +SteveF; got it
- 15:07:03 [LJWatson]
- zakim, take up item 2
- 15:07:03 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "API guide" taken up [from LJWatson]
- 15:07:08 [janina]
- zakim, ??P3 is me
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- I already had ??P3 as SteveF, janina
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- +[Apple]
- 15:07:17 [hober]
- Zakim, Apple has me
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- +hober; got it
- 15:07:26 [janina]
- zakim, who's on the phone?
- 15:07:26 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see David_MacDonald, SteveF, LJWatson, John_Foliot, darobin, [Microsoft], [Apple]
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- [Apple] has hober
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- [Microsoft] has paulc
- 15:07:29 [LJWatson]
- SF: Did anyone see the email I sent/?
- 15:07:55 [SteveF]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0051.html
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- -SteveF
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- +??P3
- 15:08:24 [janina]
- zakim, ??P3 is me
- 15:08:24 [Zakim]
- +janina; got it
- 15:08:43 [LJWatson]
- SF: Work has slowed on this document. Proposed some scope clarifications and other actions.
- 15:09:27 [LJWatson]
- SF: Essentially that we complete the sections in the document as it stands.
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- -[Microsoft]
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- +[Microsoft]
- 15:10:30 [LJWatson]
- SF: When I spoke to Cynthia at the F2F last month she explained she was focused on other things at the moment. Would therefore like to see someone step up to take this document forward actively.
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- +darobin.a
- 15:11:00 [LJWatson]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
- 15:11:16 [LJWatson]
- DM: Are you looking for editors or testers?
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- SF: Both.
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- -darobin.a
- 15:12:11 [LJWatson]
- SF: It needs people with good experience/understanding of the different APIs.
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- DM: Sounds like there is overlap between this and the test harness?
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- JS: Think we should try to get a little moreinput here from PF if we can. The timing for doing this may not be ideal though.
- 15:13:24 [LJWatson]
- s/moreinput/more input/
- 15:13:35 [paulc]
- When this document was last published we published a total of 9 documents: http://www.w3.org/News/2012#entry-9615
- 15:13:51 [LJWatson]
- SF: That's ok. Just want to get the discussion going.
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- SF: Also suggested the document be made normative. Think this would make it more useful.
- 15:15:08 [paulc]
- While we are discussing this can someone remind me of the status of HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives? http://www.w3.org/TR/html-alt-techniques/
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- +Suzanne_Taylor
- 15:15:22 [LJWatson]
- SF: Recommend moving doc to Github. Makes it easier to manage.
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- +chaals
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
- 15:15:57 [paulc]
- q+
- 15:16:30 [LJWatson]
- JS: Gitbub is certainly a more modern tool. You see this as being part of HTML5.1?
- 15:16:34 [LJWatson]
- SF: Yes.
- 15:17:28 [LJWatson]
- PC: Last published this on TR page in Oct 2012. What's the status of other docs like the alt techniques?
- 15:18:06 [LJWatson]
- SF: Will remove the normative content, and it'll become a note.
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- SF: Some of the content will be brought into the HTML5 spec.
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- PC: That's 5.1?
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- SF: My understanding is that Alt techniques will go into 5.0.
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- PC: Where is this plan recorded?
- 15:19:51 [LJWatson]
- SF: The plan to update the spec is rcorded in various bugs/discussions, with chairs and editors etc.
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- PC: I don't recall getting the WG to agree to that.
- 15:21:21 [LJWatson]
- JS: Through conversations with the editors we agreed this approach.
- 15:22:00 [LJWatson]
- PC: But where is the/an email that gives me the current status of this?
- 15:23:59 [LJWatson]
- SF: With the API doc it isn't a priority, I just wanted to get the discussion going. With the Alt techniques doc I'll put the edits out for review. After that 5.1 review, then I'll ask if it's ok to move it back to 5.0.
- 15:24:17 [LJWatson]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
- 15:24:29 [paulc]
- Alt stuff latest email from Dec 2012: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/team-html-editors/2012Dec/0051.html
- 15:24:37 [LJWatson]
- SF: Hope to have the 5.1 edit available by the end of the week.
- 15:26:01 [LJWatson]
- PC: Last discussion on the editors list about this seems to be January. Will take an informal action to establish the next steps for this.
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- PC: Challenge you to make progress from the last discussion in January.
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- JS: Steve should have the edits complete by the end of the week.
- 15:27:53 [SteveF]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013May/0152.html
- 15:28:24 [LJWatson]
- SF: Link above is for email I sent out today.
- 15:28:44 [LJWatson]
- PC: Was this change anchored on a bug?
- 15:28:51 [LJWatson]
- SF: On the overall bug.
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- PC: Overall bugs?
- 15:29:06 [LJWatson]
- SF: Will find the different bugs and circulate.
- 15:29:30 [chaals1]
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- PC: Would help to have a summary email, including which bugs it references, what the plan is etc.
- 15:29:54 [LJWatson]
- SF: Ok.
- 15:30:05 [LJWatson]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 15:30:05 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
- 15:30:36 [LJWatson]
- PC: That email says it's a 5.1 change?
- 15:31:07 [LJWatson]
- SF: Yes. I'm making changes to 5.1. Once that's been reviewed, the goal is to backport it back into 5.0.
- 15:31:33 [LJWatson]
- PC: Suggest you include that in your summary.
- 15:31:37 [LJWatson]
- SF: Yes.
- 15:32:44 [LJWatson]
- JS: To circle back to the Alt techniques, once all this 4.8 editing is finished, we should see what's left in the Alt techniques doc and decide what to do with it.
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- SF: Yes.
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
- 15:34:07 [LJWatson]
- DM: I'm interested in the API doc, would need coaching, but could put in a couple of hours?
- 15:35:00 [LJWatson]
- SF: Looks like we're not going to worry about the API doc for the moment. It does need someone with enough knowledge/experience to drive it forward. Really appreciate all offers of help though.
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- zakim, next item
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- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, LJWatson
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- ack Paul
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3. "HTML5 testing" taken up [from LJWatson]
- 15:36:22 [LJWatson]
- JS: This was Chaals' action to co-ordinate with the chairs about testing the HTML5 spec.
- 15:36:22 [chaals1]
- q+
- 15:37:27 [chaals1]
- q-
- 15:38:09 [LJWatson]
- JS: Chaals suggested we could start looking at this on these TF calls.
- 15:38:10 [paulc]
- q+
- 15:38:34 [LJWatson]
- JS: We're looking for some guidance.
- 15:38:42 [SteveF]
- ack paulc
- 15:39:19 [LJWatson]
- PC: Think we're suffering from timing. National holidays mean meetings have been less regular last week/ne.
- 15:40:20 [LJWatson]
- JS: It's the same for the accessibility WGs.
- 15:41:01 [LJWatson]
- PC: Ok, I may take this discussion offline so you may not see a response immediately.
- 15:41:04 [LJWatson]
- JS: Ok.
- 15:41:18 [LJWatson]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 15:41:18 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
- 15:41:52 [LJWatson]
- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4. "Media Transcript" taken up [from LJWatson]
- 15:42:37 [LJWatson]
- JF: Status is that after the F2F, the plan was to establish next steps on this.
- 15:42:50 [LJWatson]
- JF: Support from implementors will be critical.
- 15:43:14 [LJWatson]
- JF: Janina and I need to get on with utilising the media sub-team to work on this.
- 15:43:35 [LJWatson]
- JS: John, can we chat this weekend?
- 15:43:45 [LJWatson]
- JF: Yes.
- 15:43:58 [LJWatson]
- zakim, next item
- 15:43:58 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "Text Bugs (Continued)" taken up [from LJWatson]
- 15:44:07 [LJWatson]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 15:44:07 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
- 15:44:44 [JF]
- Q+
- 15:45:07 [LJWatson]
- LW: These are the bugs identified by triage that need reviewing by various sub-teams.
- 15:45:45 [SteveF]
- ack JF
- 15:45:48 [JF]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13430
- 15:46:04 [LJWatson]
- JF: Would like to query this bug.
- 15:46:30 [LJWatson]
- JF: It appears to be editorial.
- 15:48:46 [LJWatson]
- SF: With my editors hat on, I'm happy to accept Hixie's comment.
- 15:49:10 [LJWatson]
- JF: At first glance I agree.
- 15:49:50 [LJWatson]
- JF: If no objections I'll close the bug and close my corresponding action.
- 15:49:59 [LJWatson]
- JF: Ok, closed.
- 15:50:04 [LJWatson]
- zakim, next item
- 15:50:04 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Wiki, TF pages," taken up [from LJWatson]
- 15:51:16 [LJWatson]
- LW: Bug triage hasn't met for a couple of weeks. We resume next week with several new members.
- 15:51:44 [LJWatson]
- LW: Please can everyone try to clear the decks of the resolved needsInfo/wontFix bugs.
- 15:53:12 [LJWatson]
- SF: Returning to the Alt techniques, would welcome feedback from the TF.
- 15:53:19 [LJWatson]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 15:53:19 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
- 15:54:58 [Zakim]
- -darobin
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- +[IPcaller]
- 15:55:57 [chaals1]
- zakim, [ipca is steve
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- +steve; got it
- 15:56:05 [chaals1]
- zakim, darobin was really steve
- 15:56:05 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'darobin was really steve', chaals1
- 15:56:15 [chaals1]
- zakim, darobin is really steve
- 15:56:15 [Zakim]
- sorry, chaals1, I do not recognize a party named 'darobin'
- 15:56:15 [LJWatson]
- zakim, next item
- 15:56:16 [Zakim]
- agendum 7. "similar administrative items Other Business" taken up [from LJWatson]
- 15:56:47 [LJWatson]
- SF: Borrowed this from last week's agenda. Anything to discuss?
- 15:57:04 [LJWatson]
- SF: It's a public holiday on Monday in the UK.
- 15:57:13 [LJWatson]
- JS: Also in the USA.
- 15:57:50 [SteveF]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-in-html
- 15:58:18 [Zakim]
- -Suzanne_Taylor
- 15:58:32 [LJWatson]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 15:58:32 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
- 15:58:53 [Zakim]
- -[Apple]
- 15:58:55 [Zakim]
- -LJWatson
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- -David_MacDonald
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- -janina
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- -steve
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- -chaals
- 15:59:16 [Zakim]
- -John_Foliot
- 16:00:08 [LJWatson]
- Present: Janina Sajka, David McDonald, Chaals McCathie Nevile, Steve Faulkner, Léonie Watson, Paul Cotton, John Foliot
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- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:00:18 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
- 16:00:55 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 16:00:56 [LJWatson]
- rrsagent, set logs world-visible
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- WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were David_MacDonald, John_Foliot, LJWatson, darobin, paulc, SteveF, hober, janina, [Microsoft], Suzanne_Taylor, chaals, [IPcaller], steve
- 16:01:03 [LJWatson]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:01:03 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
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- LJWatson has joined #html-a11y
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
- 16:12:42 [LJWatson]
- Topic: HTML A11y TF weekly telecon
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- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:12:50 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
- 16:13:44 [LJWatson]
- zakim, please part
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- Zakim has left #html-a11y
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- rrsagent, please part
- 16:13:50 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items