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15:03:26 <LJWatson> zakim, this is 2119
15:03:27 <Zakim> ok, LJWatson; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM
15:03:44 <LJWatson> zakim, [ipcaller] is LJWatson
15:03:44 <Zakim> +LJWatson; got it
15:04:15 <LJWatson> agenda+ Identify Scribe
15:04:25 <LJWatson> agenda+ API guide
15:04:35 <LJWatson> agenda+ HTML5 testing
15:04:43 <LJWatson> agenda+ Media Transcript
15:04:48 <LJWatson> agenda+ Text Bugs (Continued)
15:04:53 <LJWatson> agenda+ Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Wiki, TF pages,
15:04:59 <LJWatson> agenda+ similar administrative items Other Business
15:05:07 <LJWatson> agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference
15:05:11 <Zakim> +darobin
15:05:14 <LJWatson> zakim, save agenda
15:05:19 <Zakim> ok, LJWatson, the agenda has been written to http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-agenda.rdf
15:05:27 <paulc> paulc has joined #html-a11y
15:05:33 <LJWatson> Chair: Steve Faulkner
15:05:46 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
15:05:46 <Zakim> the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:06:13 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:06:22 <LJWatson> scribe: LJWatson
15:06:34 <paulc> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:06:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, ??P3, LJWatson, John_Foliot, darobin, [Microsoft]
15:06:39 <LJWatson> zakim, close item 1
15:06:39 <Zakim> agendum 1, Identify Scribe, closed
15:06:40 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:06:40 <Zakim> 2. API guide [from LJWatson]
15:06:51 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
15:06:51 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:06:55 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, ??P3, LJWatson, John_Foliot, darobin, [Microsoft]
15:06:57 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:06:59 <SteveF> zakim, ??P3 is me
15:06:59 <Zakim> +SteveF; got it
15:07:03 <LJWatson> zakim, take up item 2
15:07:03 <Zakim> agendum 2. "API guide" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:07:08 <janina> zakim, ??P3 is me
15:07:08 <Zakim> I already had ??P3 as SteveF, janina
15:07:11 <Zakim> +[Apple]
15:07:17 <hober> Zakim, Apple has me
15:07:17 <Zakim> +hober; got it
15:07:26 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:07:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see David_MacDonald, SteveF, LJWatson, John_Foliot, darobin, [Microsoft], [Apple]
15:07:28 <Zakim> [Apple] has hober
15:07:28 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc
15:07:29 <LJWatson> SF: Did anyone see the email I sent/?
15:07:55 <SteveF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013May/0051.html
15:08:02 <Zakim> -SteveF
15:08:13 <Zakim> +??P3
15:08:24 <janina> zakim, ??P3 is me
15:08:24 <Zakim> +janina; got it
15:08:43 <LJWatson> SF: Work has slowed on this document. Proposed some scope clarifications and other actions.
15:09:27 <LJWatson> SF: Essentially that we complete the sections in the document as it stands.
15:09:42 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:09:57 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:10:30 <LJWatson> SF: When I spoke to Cynthia at the F2F last month she explained she was focused on other things at the moment. Would therefore like to see someone step up to take this document forward actively.
15:10:44 <Zakim> +darobin.a
15:11:00 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:11:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:11:16 <LJWatson> DM: Are you looking for editors or testers?
15:11:20 <LJWatson> SF: Both.
15:11:46 <Zakim> -darobin.a
15:12:11 <LJWatson> SF: It needs people with good experience/understanding of the different APIs.
15:12:42 <LJWatson> DM: Sounds like there is overlap between this and the test harness?
15:13:13 <LJWatson> JS: Think we should try to get a little moreinput here from PF if we can. The timing for doing this may not be ideal though.
15:13:24 <LJWatson> s/moreinput/more input/
15:13:35 <paulc> When this document was last published we published a total of 9 documents: http://www.w3.org/News/2012#entry-9615
15:13:51 <LJWatson> SF: That's ok. Just want to get the discussion going.
15:14:55 <LJWatson> SF: Also suggested the document be made normative. Think this would make it more useful.
15:15:08 <paulc> While we are discussing this can someone remind me of the status of HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives? http://www.w3.org/TR/html-alt-techniques/
15:15:20 <Zakim> +Suzanne_Taylor
15:15:22 <LJWatson> SF: Recommend moving doc to Github. Makes it easier to manage.
15:15:23 <Zakim> +chaals
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15:15:48 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:15:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:15:57 <paulc> q+
15:16:30 <LJWatson> JS: Gitbub is certainly a more modern tool. You see this as being part of HTML5.1?
15:16:34 <LJWatson> SF: Yes.
15:17:28 <LJWatson> PC: Last published this on TR page in Oct 2012. What's the status of other docs like the alt techniques?
15:18:06 <LJWatson> SF: Will remove the normative content, and it'll become a note.
15:18:31 <LJWatson> SF: Some of the content will be brought into the HTML5 spec.
15:18:46 <LJWatson> PC: That's 5.1?
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15:19:04 <LJWatson> SF: My understanding is that Alt techniques will go into 5.0.
15:19:16 <LJWatson> PC: Where is this plan recorded?
15:19:51 <LJWatson> SF: The plan to update the spec is rcorded in various bugs/discussions, with chairs and editors etc.
15:20:27 <LJWatson> PC: I don't recall getting the WG to agree to that.
15:21:21 <LJWatson> JS: Through conversations with the editors we agreed this approach.
15:22:00 <LJWatson> PC: But where is the/an email that gives me the current status of this?
15:23:59 <LJWatson> SF: With the API doc it isn't a priority, I just wanted to get the discussion going. With the Alt techniques doc I'll put the edits out for review. After that 5.1 review, then I'll ask if it's ok to move it back to 5.0.
15:24:17 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:24:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:24:29 <paulc> Alt stuff latest email from Dec 2012: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Team/team-html-editors/2012Dec/0051.html
15:24:37 <LJWatson> SF: Hope to have the 5.1 edit available by the end of the week.
15:26:01 <LJWatson> PC: Last discussion on the editors list about this seems to be January. Will take an informal action to establish the next steps for this.
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15:27:28 <LJWatson> PC: Challenge you to make progress from the last discussion in January.
15:27:41 <LJWatson> JS: Steve should have the edits complete by the end of the week.
15:27:53 <SteveF> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2013May/0152.html
15:28:24 <LJWatson> SF: Link above is for email I sent out today.
15:28:44 <LJWatson> PC: Was this change anchored on a bug?
15:28:51 <LJWatson> SF: On the overall bug.
15:28:56 <LJWatson> PC: Overall bugs?
15:29:06 <LJWatson> SF: Will find the different bugs and circulate.
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15:29:46 <LJWatson> PC: Would help to have a summary email, including which bugs it references, what the plan is etc.
15:29:54 <LJWatson> SF: Ok.
15:30:05 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:30:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:30:36 <LJWatson> PC: That email says it's a 5.1 change?
15:31:07 <LJWatson> SF: Yes. I'm making changes to 5.1. Once that's been reviewed, the goal is to backport it back into 5.0.
15:31:33 <LJWatson> PC: Suggest you include that in your summary.
15:31:37 <LJWatson> SF: Yes.
15:32:44 <LJWatson> JS: To circle back to the Alt techniques, once all this 4.8 editing is finished, we should see what's left in the Alt techniques doc and decide what to do with it.
15:32:50 <LJWatson> SF: Yes.
15:33:15 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:33:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:34:07 <LJWatson> DM: I'm interested in the API doc, would need coaching, but could put in a couple of hours?
15:35:00 <LJWatson> SF: Looks like we're not going to worry about the API doc for the moment. It does need someone with enough knowledge/experience to drive it forward. Really appreciate all offers of help though.
15:35:26 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:35:26 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, LJWatson
15:35:34 <LJWatson> ack Paul
15:35:43 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:35:43 <Zakim> agendum 3. "HTML5 testing" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:36:22 <LJWatson> JS: This was Chaals' action to co-ordinate with the chairs about testing the HTML5 spec.
15:36:22 <chaals1> q+
15:37:27 <chaals1> q-
15:38:09 <LJWatson> JS: Chaals suggested we could start looking at this on these TF calls.
15:38:10 <paulc> q+
15:38:34 <LJWatson> JS: We're looking for some guidance.
15:38:42 <SteveF> ack paulc
15:39:19 <LJWatson> PC: Think we're suffering from timing. National holidays mean meetings have been less regular last week/ne.
15:40:20 <LJWatson> JS: It's the same for the accessibility WGs.
15:41:01 <LJWatson> PC: Ok, I may take this discussion offline so you may not see a response immediately.
15:41:04 <LJWatson> JS: Ok.
15:41:18 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:41:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:41:52 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:41:52 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Media Transcript" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:42:37 <LJWatson> JF: Status is that after the F2F, the plan was to establish next steps on this.
15:42:50 <LJWatson> JF: Support from implementors will be critical.
15:43:14 <LJWatson> JF: Janina and I need to get on with utilising the media sub-team to work on this.
15:43:35 <LJWatson> JS: John, can we chat this weekend?
15:43:45 <LJWatson> JF: Yes.
15:43:58 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:43:58 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Text Bugs (Continued)" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:44:07 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:44:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:44:44 <JF> Q+
15:45:07 <LJWatson> LW: These are the bugs identified by triage that need reviewing by various sub-teams.
15:45:45 <SteveF> ack JF
15:45:48 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13430
15:46:04 <LJWatson> JF: Would like to query this bug.
15:46:30 <LJWatson> JF: It appears to be editorial.
15:48:46 <LJWatson> SF: With my editors hat on, I'm happy to accept Hixie's comment.
15:49:10 <LJWatson> JF: At first glance I agree.
15:49:50 <LJWatson> JF: If no objections I'll close the bug and close my corresponding action.
15:49:59 <LJWatson> JF: Ok, closed.
15:50:04 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:50:04 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; Wiki, TF pages," taken up [from LJWatson]
15:51:16 <LJWatson> LW: Bug triage hasn't met for a couple of weeks. We resume next week with several new members.
15:51:44 <LJWatson> LW: Please can everyone try to clear the decks of the resolved needsInfo/wontFix bugs.
15:53:12 <LJWatson> SF: Returning to the Alt techniques, would welcome feedback from the TF.
15:53:19 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:53:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:54:58 <Zakim> -darobin
15:55:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:55:57 <chaals1> zakim, [ipca is steve
15:55:57 <Zakim> +steve; got it
15:56:05 <chaals1> zakim, darobin was really steve
15:56:05 <Zakim> I don't understand 'darobin was really steve', chaals1
15:56:15 <chaals1> zakim, darobin is really steve
15:56:15 <Zakim> sorry, chaals1, I do not recognize a party named 'darobin'
15:56:15 <LJWatson> zakim, next item
15:56:16 <Zakim> agendum 7. "similar administrative items Other Business" taken up [from LJWatson]
15:56:47 <LJWatson> SF: Borrowed this from last week's agenda. Anything to discuss?
15:57:04 <LJWatson> SF: It's a public holiday on Monday in the UK.
15:57:13 <LJWatson> JS: Also in the USA.
15:57:50 <SteveF> https://github.com/w3c/aria-in-html
15:58:18 <Zakim> -Suzanne_Taylor
15:58:32 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
15:58:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
15:58:53 <Zakim> -[Apple]
15:58:55 <Zakim> -LJWatson
15:58:59 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
15:59:01 <Zakim> -janina
15:59:03 <Zakim> -steve
15:59:05 <Zakim> -chaals
15:59:16 <Zakim> -John_Foliot
16:00:08 <LJWatson> Present: Janina Sajka, David McDonald, Chaals McCathie Nevile, Steve Faulkner, Léonie Watson, Paul Cotton, John Foliot
16:00:18 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:00:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
16:00:55 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:00:56 <LJWatson> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
16:00:57 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended
16:00:57 <Zakim> Attendees were David_MacDonald, John_Foliot, LJWatson, darobin, paulc, SteveF, hober, janina, [Microsoft], Suzanne_Taylor, chaals, [IPcaller], steve
16:01:03 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
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16:12:26 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:12:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
16:12:42 <LJWatson> Topic: HTML A11y TF weekly telecon
16:12:50 <LJWatson> rrsagent, make minutes
16:12:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/05/23-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson
16:13:44 <LJWatson> zakim, please part
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16:13:50 <LJWatson> rrsagent, please part
16:13:50 <RRSAgent> I see no action items