IRC log of aapi on 2013-05-16

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Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 16 May 2013
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scribenick: clown
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chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013May/0003.html
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WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM has now started
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+Cynthia_Shelly
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+[GVoice]
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zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
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+Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
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topic: action-1200
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action-1200?
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ACTION-1200 -- Cynthia Shelly to create table for author errors in UAIG, with columns for each API. -- due 2013-05-01 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
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CS: I haven't started that.
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topic: issue-550
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issue-550?
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ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- open
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
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JS: i'm doing some edits to today and will close this out.
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topic: ACTION-1221
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ACTION-1221?
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ACTION-1221 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to for ISSUE-559, remove the text near the end of the section about ATK/AT-SPI about aria-atomic and member-of, and point to the aria-atomic='true' entry in the mapping table. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1221
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JS: I will try to get to these modifications today as well.
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topic: ISSUE-582
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ISSUE-582?
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ISSUE-582 -- We don't have an explicit mapping, for each platform, for the focusable state in the UAIG -- open
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/582
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CS: I was testing a test case about focusable, and didn't see the expected result.
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JS: there is a table in the UAIG for focusable states.
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table
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JS: For MSAA it's STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE and for UIA it's UIA_IsKeyboardFocusablePropertyId
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CS: Yes, but I wasn't seeing that. It might not be implemented that way IE.
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CS: Let's ask RIch for more info about this.
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JS: good idea.
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Topic: ISSUE-584
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ISSUE-584?
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ISSUE-584 -- Firefox has introduce a role mapping of grouping for rowgroup (should this be consistent across platforms) -- open
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/584
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JS: Looks like UIA expresss and UIA both do something for row group — AriaRole is 'rowgroup' and as 'group' role in UIA.
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JS: the other platforms don't map it.
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CS: I think FF puts the string 'rowgroup' in MSAA accRole, but that's supposed be an enumerated type, not a string.
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JS: I think they are going to change that behaviour.
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JS: there is another issue about removing it.
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CS: the html meeting last week — Steve F was going to change the mapping table to put something in for rowgroup and something for table elements like thead.
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CS: I think it works for me.
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CS: I don't think this is change we need — it's a "works for me".
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CS: I also think that the last one about focusable is also "works for me". If Rich wants to re-open it, he can.
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JS: I think I bring these up at a weekly meeting, and ask if we can close them, or if not, what else do we need to do.
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-Cynthia_Shelly
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+[Microsoft]
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topic: actions-818
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action-818?
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ACTION-818 -- Cynthia Shelly to [TESTING] Investigate aria-expanded for UAIG, true/false/undefined value type -- due 2011-08-31 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/818
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CS: I think we are already testing this. I don't think this is needed anymore.
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CS: I'll just close it.
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topic: action-973
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action-973?
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ACTION-973 -- Cynthia Shelly to work with David Bolter and Larry Weiss to create testable statements for UAIG 4.2 Controlling focus with tabindex, bullet 11 -- due 2013-02-01 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/973
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CS: this is still open. It's really tricky.
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CS: there is DOM focus, and desktop focus, and, sometimes "real" focus.
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CS: this is still active — move the due to Jul 15.
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JS: there were some active descendant test cases. Maybe these tests already exist. Someone should look.
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CS: MS and FF disagree what is the correct way to deal with this.
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CS: Larry, David and I crafted some wording, but it is a fragile detente.
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CS: I may get to this earlier. We'll see.
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topic: action-982
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action-982?
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ACTION-982 -- Cynthia Shelly to create UIA special case test cases from existing generated test cases. -- due 2012-03-14 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/982
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CS: there are a bunch of mappings that say, "it maps to this, except when, …" and "it maps to this, but also map this other thing".
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CS: these need to be hand crafted. Move the due date to july 1.
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topic: action-1104
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action-1104?
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ACTION-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to define what the accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies -- due 2013-02-01 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
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CS: I don't know what the right answer is for this.
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CS: for UIA express, we put it into the legacy description field.
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CS: I still need to think about this some more.
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CS: I think there should be an accessible object for it, but make it not focusable.
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CS: change due date to next week.
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JS: done.
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topic: action-1210
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action-1210?
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ACTION-1210 -- Cynthia Shelly to research why test case 267 fails. Is UAIG or IE10 impl correct? -- due 2013-05-02 -- OPEN
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1210
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CS: that's still active. Next week.
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JS: that's it for you.
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-[Microsoft]
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JS: let's call it a meeting then.
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Cynthia_Shelly, Joseph_Scheuhammer, [Microsoft]
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regrets: David_Bolter
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present- Microsoft
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