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17:00:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
17:00:23 <trackbot> Date: 16 May 2013
17:00:47 <clown> scribenick: clown
17:00:58 <clown> chair:  Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:01:12 <clown> agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2013May/0003.html
17:01:30 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(AAPI)1:00PM has now started
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17:01:37 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
17:02:22 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
17:02:38 <clown> zakim, GVoice is Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:02:38 <Zakim> +Joseph_Scheuhammer; got it
17:02:58 <clown> topic:  action-1200
17:03:03 <clown> action-1200?
17:03:03 <trackbot> ACTION-1200 -- Cynthia Shelly to create table for author errors in UAIG, with columns for each API. -- due 2013-05-01 -- OPEN
17:03:03 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1200
17:03:35 <clown> CS:  I haven't started that.
17:03:52 <clown> topic: issue-550
17:03:55 <clown> issue-550?
17:03:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-550 -- Come up with a date to stop editing UAIG in preparation for the next Last Call Draft -- open
17:03:55 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/550
17:04:25 <clown> JS:  i'm doing some edits to today and will close this out.
17:04:39 <clown> topic:  ACTION-1221
17:04:45 <clown> ACTION-1221?
17:04:45 <trackbot> ACTION-1221 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to for ISSUE-559, remove the text near the end of the section about ATK/AT-SPI about aria-atomic and member-of, and point to the aria-atomic='true' entry in the mapping table. -- due 2013-05-16 -- OPEN
17:04:45 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1221
17:05:22 <clown> JS:  I will try to get to these modifications today as well.
17:06:50 <clown> topic:  ISSUE-582
17:06:53 <clown> ISSUE-582?
17:06:53 <trackbot> ISSUE-582 -- We don't have an explicit mapping, for each platform, for the focusable state in the UAIG -- open
17:06:53 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/582
17:08:25 <clown> CS:  I was testing a test case about focusable, and didn't see the expected result.
17:08:35 <clown> JS:  there is a table in the UAIG for focusable states.
17:08:39 <clown> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#focus_state_event_table
17:09:03 <clown> JS:  For MSAA it's STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE and for UIA it's UIA_IsKeyboardFocusablePropertyId
17:09:24 <clown> CS:  Yes, but I wasn't seeing that.  It might not be implemented that way IE.
17:09:35 <clown> CS:  Let's ask RIch for more info about this.
17:09:40 <clown> JS:  good idea.
17:10:25 <clown> Topic:  ISSUE-584
17:10:35 <clown> ISSUE-584?
17:10:35 <trackbot> ISSUE-584 -- Firefox has introduce a role mapping of grouping for rowgroup (should this be consistent across platforms) -- open
17:10:35 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/584
17:12:05 <clown> JS:  Looks like UIA expresss and UIA both do something for row group — AriaRole is 'rowgroup'  and as 'group' role in UIA.
17:12:13 <clown> JS:  the other platforms don't map it.
17:12:57 <clown> CS:  I think FF puts the string 'rowgroup' in MSAA accRole, but that's supposed be an enumerated type, not a string.
17:13:11 <clown> JS:  I think they are going to change that behaviour.
17:13:25 <clown> JS:  there is another issue about removing it.
17:15:09 <clown> CS:  the html meeting last week — Steve F was going to change the mapping table to put something in for rowgroup and something for table elements like thead.
17:15:18 <clown> CS:  I think it works for me.
17:15:55 <clown> CS:  I don't think this is change we need — it's a "works for me".
17:17:36 <clown> CS:  I also think that the last one about focusable is also "works for me".  If Rich wants to re-open it, he can.
17:18:12 <clown> JS:  I think I bring these up at a weekly meeting, and ask if we can close them, or if not, what else do we need to do.
17:18:39 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
17:20:46 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
17:21:02 <clown> topic:  actions-818
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17:21:31 <clown> action-818?
17:21:31 <trackbot> ACTION-818 -- Cynthia Shelly to [TESTING] Investigate aria-expanded for UAIG, true/false/undefined value type -- due 2011-08-31 -- OPEN
17:21:31 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/818
17:22:34 <clown> CS:  I think we are already testing this.  I don't think this is needed anymore.
17:22:38 <clown> CS:  I'll just close it.
17:23:12 <clown> topic:  action-973
17:23:16 <clown> action-973?
17:23:16 <trackbot> ACTION-973 -- Cynthia Shelly to work with David Bolter and Larry Weiss to create testable statements for UAIG 4.2 Controlling focus with tabindex, bullet 11 -- due 2013-02-01 -- OPEN
17:23:16 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/973
17:23:39 <clown> CS:  this is still open.  It's really tricky.
17:24:08 <clown> CS:  there is DOM focus, and desktop focus, and, sometimes "real" focus.
17:25:45 <clown> CS:  this is still active — move the due to Jul 15.
17:27:11 <clown> JS:  there were some active descendant test cases.  Maybe these tests already exist.  Someone should look.
17:27:41 <clown> CS:  MS and FF disagree what is the correct way to deal with this.
17:27:57 <clown> CS:  Larry, David and I crafted some wording, but it is a fragile detente.
17:28:09 <clown> CS:  I may get to this earlier. We'll see.
17:28:25 <clown> topic:  action-982
17:28:29 <clown> action-982?
17:28:29 <trackbot> ACTION-982 -- Cynthia Shelly to create UIA special case test cases from existing generated test cases. -- due 2012-03-14 -- OPEN
17:28:29 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/982
17:30:03 <clown> CS:  there are a bunch of mappings that say, "it maps to this, except when, …" and "it maps to this, but also map this other thing".
17:30:46 <clown> CS:  these need to be hand crafted.  Move the due date to july 1.
17:32:18 <clown> topic: action-1104
17:32:20 <clown> action-1104?
17:32:20 <trackbot> ACTION-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to define what the accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies -- due 2013-02-01 -- OPEN
17:32:21 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
17:32:52 <clown> CS:  I don't know what the right answer is for this.
17:33:17 <clown> CS: for UIA express, we put it into the legacy description field.
17:34:05 <clown> CS: I still need to think about this some more.
17:34:34 <clown> CS:  I think there should be an accessible object for it, but make it not focusable.
17:34:41 <clown> CS:  change due date to next week.
17:35:04 <clown> JS: done.
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17:37:03 <clown> topic:  action-1210
17:37:06 <clown> action-1210?
17:37:06 <trackbot> ACTION-1210 -- Cynthia Shelly to research why test case 267 fails. Is UAIG or IE10 impl correct? -- due 2013-05-02 -- OPEN
17:37:06 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1210
17:37:19 <clown> CS: that's still active.  Next week.
17:38:00 <clown> JS:  that's it for you.
17:38:17 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
17:38:23 <clown> JS:  let's call it a meeting then.
17:38:33 <clown> RRSAgent:  make minutes
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17:39:21 <clown> zakim, bye
17:39:21 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Cynthia_Shelly, Joseph_Scheuhammer, [Microsoft]
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17:41:02 <clown> present- Microsoft
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17:41:35 <clown> present- [Microsoft]
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