IRC log of html-a11y on 2013-04-04

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RRSAgent, make logs world

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Zakim, this will be 2119

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM scheduled to start 58 minutes ago

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Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 04 April 2013

14:58:54 [chaals]

agenda+ Identify scribe - 2 minutes

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agenda+ New Staff Introduction - 3 minutes

14:58:54 [chaals]

agenda+ Longdesc Review and bugs <http://clck.ru/8c5Dw> - 4 minutes

14:58:54 [chaals]

agenda+ Upcoming HTML & PF F2F <http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda> - 4 minutes

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agenda+ TF publication process <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html> - 2 minutes

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agenda+ Text subteam Bugs - 10 - 15 minutes

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agenda+ Encrypted Media Extensions specification, video captions, DRM... - the rest

14:59:01 [chaals]

zakim, agenda?

14:59:01 [Zakim]

I see 18 items remaining on the agenda:

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1. Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]

14:59:02 [Zakim]

2. New Staff Introduction [from janina]

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3. Upcoming HTML & PF F2F http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda [from janina]

14:59:02 [Zakim]

4. Longdesc Review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2013JanMar/0148.html [from janina]

14:59:03 [Zakim]

5. TF Publication Process http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html [from janina]

14:59:03 [janina]

zakim, who's here?

14:59:04 [Zakim]

6. Text Bugs (Continued) [from janina]

14:59:04 [Zakim]

7. Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; [from janina]

14:59:04 [Zakim]

8. Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from janina]

14:59:04 [Zakim]

9. Other Business [from janina]

14:59:04 [Zakim]

10. Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]

14:59:04 [Zakim]

11. be done [from janina]

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12. Identify scribe - 2 minutes [from chaals]

14:59:05 [Zakim]

13. New Staff Introduction - 3 minutes [from chaals]

14:59:05 [Zakim]

14. Longdesc Review and bugs <http://clck.ru/8c5Dw> - 4 minutes [from chaals]

14:59:05 [Zakim]

15. Upcoming HTML & PF F2F <http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda> - 4 minutes [from chaals]

14:59:05 [Zakim]

16. TF publication process <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html> - 2 minutes [from chaals]

14:59:06 [Zakim]

17. Text subteam Bugs - 10 - 15 minutes [from chaals]

14:59:07 [Zakim]

18. Encrypted Media Extensions specification, video captions, DRM... - the rest [from chaals]

14:59:07 [Zakim]

apparently WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has ended, janina

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On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, MarkS, davidb, darobin, chaals, IanPouncey, janina, MichaelC, Zakim, hober, trackbot

14:59:15 [chaals]

zakim, close agendum 1

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agendum 1, Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed

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I see 17 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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2. New Staff Introduction [from janina]

14:59:17 [Zakim]

WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM has now started

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+Mark_Sadecki

14:59:36 [chaals]

zakim, close agendum 2

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agendum 2, New Staff Introduction, closed

14:59:37 [Zakim]

I see 16 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:59:37 [Zakim]

3. Upcoming HTML & PF F2F http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda [from janina]

14:59:40 [Zakim]

+Judy

14:59:44 [chaals]

zakim, close agendum 3

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agendum 3, Upcoming HTML & PF F2F http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda, closed

14:59:47 [Zakim]

I see 15 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:59:47 [Zakim]

4. Longdesc Review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2013JanMar/0148.html [from janina]

14:59:48 [chaals]

zakim, close agendum 4

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agendum 4, Longdesc Review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2013JanMar/0148.html, closed

14:59:48 [Zakim]

I see 14 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:59:48 [Zakim]

5. TF Publication Process http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html [from janina]

14:59:50 [chaals]

zakim, close agendum 5

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agendum 5, TF Publication Process http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html, closed

14:59:51 [Zakim]

I see 13 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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6. Text Bugs (Continued) [from janina]

14:59:52 [chaals]

zakim, close agendum 6

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agendum 6, Text Bugs (Continued), closed

14:59:53 [Zakim]

I see 12 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:59:53 [Zakim]

7. Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping; [from janina]

14:59:54 [chaals]

zakim, close agendum 7

14:59:54 [Zakim]

agendum 7, Subteam Reports: Bug Triage; AAPI Mapping;, closed

14:59:55 [Zakim]

I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:59:55 [Zakim]

8. Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open [from janina]

14:59:56 [chaals]

zakim, close agendum 8

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agendum 8, Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open, closed

14:59:58 [chaals]

zakim, close agendum 9

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I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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9. Other Business [from janina]

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agendum 9, Other Business, closed

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I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:59:58 [Zakim]

10. Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List [from janina]

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zakim, close agendum 10

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agendum 10, Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List, closed

15:00:01 [Zakim]

I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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11. be done [from janina]

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zakim, close agendum 11

15:00:04 [Zakim]

agendum 11, be done, closed

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I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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12. Identify scribe - 2 minutes [from chaals]

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+??P12

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 12. "Identify scribe - 2 minutes" taken up [from chaals]

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+ +1.661.748.aaaa

15:00:50 [paulc]

zakim, what is the code?

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the conference code is 2119 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc

15:00:51 [janina]

zakim, who's on the phone?

15:00:53 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Mark_Sadecki, Judy, ??P12, [IPcaller], +1.661.748.aaaa

15:01:02 [janina]

zakim, ??P12 is Janina

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+Janina; got it

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zakim, IPcaller is Leonie

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+Leonie; got it

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+[Microsoft]

15:01:32 [paulc]

zakim, [Microsoft] is me

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+paulc; got it

15:01:39 [chaals]

Chaals: anyone prepared to Scribe

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+markw

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zakim, who is making noise

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I don't understand 'who is making noise', chaals

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- +1.661.748.aaaa

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+??P24

15:02:52 [MichaelC]

zakim, ??P24 is Michael_Cooper

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+Michael_Cooper; got it

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+[IPcaller]

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Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

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+IanPouncey; got it

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+John_Foliot

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+hober

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+ +34.67.214.aabb

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zakim, choose a victim

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Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose markw

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zakim, next agendum

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agendum 13. "New Staff Introduction - 3 minutes" taken up [from chaals]

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scribe: Léonie Watson

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CMN: Welcome to Mark.

15:06:34 [LJWatson]

JB: Mark will be staff contact specifically for the HTML A11y TF.

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ack Mark

15:07:08 [chaals1]

chaals1 has changed the topic to: #html-a11y HTML Accessibility Task Force. Meets thursday 11am Boston time, http://list.w3.org/Archive/Public/public-html-a11y

15:07:32 [chaals1]

zakim, aabb is me

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+chaals1; got it

15:07:44 [chaals1]

zakim, who is making noise?

15:07:56 [chaals1]

zakim, who is here?

15:07:56 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Mark_Sadecki, Judy, Janina, Leonie, paulc, markw, Michael_Cooper, IanPouncey, John_Foliot, hober, chaals1

15:07:58 [Zakim]

On IRC I see JF, chaals1, LJWatson, RRSAgent, paulc, MarkS, davidb, darobin, IanPouncey, janina, MichaelC, Zakim, hober, trackbot

15:07:58 [Zakim]

chaals1, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: Mark_Sadecki (95%)

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+Judy.a

15:08:10 [LJWatson]

MS: Would welcome anyone who'd like to schedule a call with me to give me some background.

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-Judy

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JB: We're thrilled you're here.

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+1 Welcome to Mark

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+[IPcaller]

15:10:31 [LJWatson]

Welcomes and introductions from members of the TF present on the call.

15:11:03 [chaals1]

zakim, next item

15:11:03 [Zakim]

agendum 14. "Longdesc Review and bugs <http://clck.ru/8c5Dw> - 4 minutes" taken up [from chaals]

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-hober

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CMN: We have a WAI IG review in progress. Roughly 10 open bugs. Some are tricky.

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CMN: Three in particular - One suggests raising longdesc from "should" to "must", another suggests UA behaviour when the longdesc is pointless, and a third discusses images like stock photography.

15:14:37 [chaals1]

zakim, agenda

15:14:37 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'agenda', chaals1

15:14:45 [chaals1]

zakim, agenda?

15:14:45 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:

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14. Longdesc Review and bugs <http://clck.ru/8c5Dw> - 4 minutes [from chaals]

15:14:46 [Zakim]

15. Upcoming HTML & PF F2F <http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda> - 4 minutes [from chaals]

15:14:46 [Zakim]

16. TF publication process <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html> - 2 minutes [from chaals]

15:14:46 [Zakim]

17. Text subteam Bugs - 10 - 15 minutes [from chaals]

15:14:46 [Zakim]

18. Encrypted Media Extensions specification, video captions, DRM... - the rest [from chaals]

15:15:54 [LJWatson]

JS: Could we filter by enhancement versus what HTML4 already provided?

15:16:33 [LJWatson]

CMN: In the days of HTML4 specs tended to be more loose. Substantive issues tend to be the things left undefined then.

15:16:52 [LJWatson]

rrsagent, make minutes

15:16:52 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson

15:17:50 [chaals1]

zakim, next item?

15:17:50 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, chaals1.

15:18:01 [chaals1]

zakim, next agendum

15:18:01 [Zakim]

agendum 15. "Upcoming HTML & PF F2F <http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2013-04-Agenda> - 4 minutes" taken up [from chaals]

15:19:21 [LJWatson]

CMN: The presentation role may be a topic at the F2F. Paul requests that topic suggestions are sent to the HTML WG, topics for Web App Sec should go to that WG.

15:20:05 [LJWatson]

PC: When would you like to focus on a11y topics, so it fits with time on PF topics?

15:20:33 [LJWatson]

JS: PF has a fairly full agenda.

15:20:47 [LJWatson]

JS: We'll know more closer to the meeting time.

15:21:08 [LJWatson]

PC: Registeration closes tomorrow.

15:21:15 [LJWatson]

JS: I should be more informed next week.

15:21:49 [JF]

Suggest revisiting the transcript issue with the larger group

15:21:52 [LJWatson]

PC; Sent a note to our host, had a request from the Media TF to break out discussions on topics that might not involve everyone.

15:22:26 [LJWatson]

PC: Janina could consider adding topics to the Tuesday agenda, then looking at a breakout session?

15:22:36 [LJWatson]

rrsagent, make minutes

15:22:36 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-html-a11y-minutes.html LJWatson

15:22:47 [chaals1]

zakim, who is making noise?

15:22:57 [Zakim]

chaals1, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Janina (60%), paulc (5%), John_Foliot (84%)

15:23:09 [chaals1]

zakim, mute john_foliot

15:23:09 [Zakim]

John_Foliot should now be muted

15:23:41 [LJWatson]

CMN: Do you run your agenda unconference style?

15:24:12 [LJWatson]

PC: Yes. Given that most PF people won't be there until Wednesday, it's important for us to know what a11y topics need to be discussed.

15:24:55 [LJWatson]

CMN: I'll be there from Tuesday 9am, so envisage actively taking part in that process.

15:25:17 [chaals1]

zakim, next agendum

15:25:17 [Zakim]

agendum 16. "TF publication process <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html> - 2 minutes" taken up [from chaals]

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zakim, next agendum

15:25:59 [Zakim]

agendum 16 was just opened, chaals1

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CMN: Process for producing TF deliverables published on the wiki. Please take a look and feedback.

15:26:17 [chaals1]

zakim, agenda?

15:26:17 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:

15:26:18 [Zakim]

16. TF publication process <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html> - 2 minutes [from chaals]

15:26:18 [Zakim]

17. Text subteam Bugs - 10 - 15 minutes [from chaals]

15:26:18 [Zakim]

18. Encrypted Media Extensions specification, video captions, DRM... - the rest [from chaals]

15:26:20 [markw]

Zakim, who is on the phone ?

15:26:20 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Mark_Sadecki, Janina, Leonie, paulc, markw, Michael_Cooper, IanPouncey, John_Foliot (muted), chaals1, Judy.a, [IPcaller]

15:26:45 [chaals1]

zakim, take up agendum 18

15:26:45 [Zakim]

agendum 18. "Encrypted Media Extensions specification, video captions, DRM... - the rest" taken up [from chaals]

15:26:55 [chaals1]

zakim, close agendum 12

15:26:55 [Zakim]

agendum 12, Identify scribe - 2 minutes, closed

15:26:56 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:26:56 [Zakim]

16. TF publication process <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html> - 2 minutes [from chaals]

15:27:07 [chaals1]

zakim, close agendum 16

15:27:07 [Zakim]

agendum 16, TF publication process <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2013Mar/0080.html> - 2 minutes, closed

15:27:09 [Zakim]

I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:27:09 [Zakim]

17. Text subteam Bugs - 10 - 15 minutes [from chaals]

15:27:16 [chaals1]

zakim, close agendum 17

15:27:16 [Zakim]

agendum 17, Text subteam Bugs - 10 - 15 minutes, closed

15:27:17 [Zakim]

I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

15:27:17 [Zakim]

18. Encrypted Media Extensions specification, video captions, DRM... - the rest [from chaals]

15:28:14 [Zakim]

+smiles

15:28:23 [Zakim]

-chaals1

15:28:25 [LJWatson]

MW: The idea of the Encrypted Media Extension is to produce a common API.

15:28:31 [Zakim]

+David_MacDonald

15:29:10 [JF]

scribe: JF

15:29:14 [chaals]

scribe: JohnF

15:29:29 [Zakim]

-Leonie

15:29:31 [JF]

MW: the EME is all in the context of the <video> element in HTML5

15:29:48 [Zakim]

+[Apple]

15:29:53 [hober]

Zakim, Apple is me

15:29:53 [Zakim]

+hober; got it

15:30:00 [JF]

MW: there have been a number of discussions WRT to captions and DRM

15:30:12 [JF]

not much mentioned in this topic

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15:30:43 [JF]

do not have any encrypted captions at this time, but there have been some questions around captions inside of the media wrapper

15:30:51 [JF]

Q?

15:30:56 [JF]

Q+

15:31:05 [janina]

q?

15:31:05 [paulc]

q+

15:31:17 [janina]

q+

15:31:20 [Judy]

q?

15:31:39 [JF]

zakim, unmute me

15:31:39 [Zakim]

sorry, JF, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

15:32:50 [chaals]

ack jf

15:32:50 [chaals]

acj john_foliot

15:32:50 [chaals]

unmute john_foliot

15:32:50 [chaals]

q- JF later

15:32:50 [chaals]

ack paul

15:33:09 [paulc]

q-

15:33:39 [Zakim]

+chaals1

15:33:49 [Zakim]

-smiles

15:34:31 [chaals]

JF: Are transcripts and audio descriptions going to be things that content owners will want to have protected?

15:35:14 [Judy]

q+

15:36:11 [chaals]

q+ to ask how the spec handles different requirements on different parts of content - does it allow for tracks with different CDMs?

15:36:41 [chaals]

JF: My concern is that we don't arrive at the last minute and discover tehre are lots of questions - so I am looking for some help in formulating it.

15:36:52 [janina]

q?

15:37:27 [chaals]

MW: [earlier answer] Don't know. THink it is important for people who want to know that to join teh technical work.

15:37:31 [chaals]

ack jan

15:37:32 [JF]

JS: wanted to explore that idea, but from a slightly different perspective

15:37:46 [Zakim]

-chaals1

15:37:55 [JF]

suggest we revisit the existing specifications to understand terminology

15:38:08 [JF]

appears that captions and subtitles are used interchangibly

15:38:11 [Zakim]

+chaals1

15:38:27 [chaals]

zakim, chaals1 is me

15:38:27 [Zakim]

+chaals; got it

15:38:46 [JF]

seemed that very few people had an understanding of the other types of requirements (extended descriptions, etc.)

15:39:02 [JF]

so we should be careful that we are using correct terminology

15:39:44 [JF]

JS: we should also check back with our contacts who develop these types of alternatives to see if this topic has hit their radar as well

15:40:18 [JF]

JS: did have one other range of concerns, wrt the controls, and want to confirm that they remain outside of this discussion

15:40:19 [chaals]

zakim, mute john_foliot

15:40:19 [Zakim]

John_Foliot should now be muted

15:40:35 [JF]

MW: correct, this should have no impact on the controls

15:40:41 [David_]

q+

15:40:59 [JF]

this should be more clearly called out in the EME spec

15:41:50 [JF]

MW: there is the ability to apply CSS transformations to <video>, but that might be restricted in DRM'ed content

15:42:24 [chaals]

[/me notes that there are also users who are trying to enforce "moral right" - restrictions on use of their content, and we can expect them to consider this a feature]

15:42:28 [Judy]

q?

15:42:28 [chaals]

ack judy

15:43:03 [JF]

JB: in some settings, DRM settings have been known to interpret Screen Readers as an "attack"

15:43:38 [JF]

what I am hearing here however is that this is likely not the case here. Looking to get some form of confirmation that this is not something we would be concerned with here

15:43:58 [JF]

MW: not convinced of this yet, as I do not have a full understanding of the SR technologies

15:45:04 [JF]

JB: if it turns out that this is a risk, it will become a high priority issue for us to address

15:45:19 [JF]

so making sure that access to caption and video description streams is important

15:45:40 [JF]

MW: to my understanding, those devices need access to the raw video stream?

15:45:57 [JF]

JS: historic problem arose from accessing the text that had been encrypted

15:46:33 [JF]

if a SR is your "eyes" and that text was encrypted, then the screen reader was perceived as an attack

15:47:16 [JF]

I don't see this as the same issue if the data is a video stream, but if the alternative representations are encrytped then the issues will likely remain

15:47:27 [JF]

we have some bugs in general about media controls

15:49:03 [JF]

MW: back to the screen readers, I think there are 3 tech. possibilities" 1) delivered in the clear, 2) within the multi-plex delivery, 3) encrypted captions could be rendered in the DRM system to be rendered on the screen (??)

15:49:12 [JF]

we have not address those in the spec at this time

15:49:30 [paulc]

q+

15:49:42 [JF]

the first 2 appear clear, and to date no-one has come forward with a request for the third

15:50:02 [JF]

MW: if we feel that in the future that it does surface, then we would need to look at that

15:50:07 [chaals]

ack me

15:50:07 [Zakim]

chaals, you wanted to ask how the spec handles different requirements on different parts of content - does it allow for tracks with different CDMs?

15:50:19 [chaals]

ack dav

15:50:26 [chaals]

q+

15:50:28 [JF]

However as Janina has noted, it would be a lot simpler if the support files remained in the clear

15:50:47 [JF]

DM: can't imagine why content owners wouldn't want to encrypt those files

15:51:00 [JF]

CMM: there are a lot of content owners who don't do this today

15:51:05 [chaals]

ack pau

15:51:28 [JF]

MW: this is the case at netflix, where videos are encrypted but not caption files

15:51:40 [JF]

PC: this might be a topic to add to the F2F agenda

15:51:55 [JF]

the EME folk have asked for a 90 minute slot

15:52:07 [chaals]

ack me

15:52:20 [JF]

thus asking these questions to the larger group may surface other responses [sic]

15:52:43 [JF]

CMM: don't know why we can't squeeze these into the same 90 minutes

15:53:05 [JF]

PC: a lot of the existing EME bugs are quite complex

15:53:48 [JF]

CMM: if you have the video element and a track element, then can you apply the DRM to the media and not the track?

15:54:20 [janina]

q+

15:54:36 [JF]

MW: this is the idea. This might need to be made clearer in the draft spec

15:54:55 [JF]

Q+

15:55:54 [chaals]

ack jan

15:56:19 [JF]

JS: David macDonald's question is quite valid

15:56:29 [JF]

we have had this problem in the past

15:57:37 [chaals]

ack jf

15:57:41 [JF]

zakim, unmute John_Foliot

15:57:41 [Zakim]

John_Foliot should no longer be muted

15:57:55 [paulc]

I need to go to get ready to Chair the WG meeting

15:57:59 [chaals]

zakim, please close the q

15:57:59 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'please close the q', chaals

15:58:08 [chaals]

zakim, please close the queue

15:58:08 [Zakim]

ok, chaals, the speaker queue is closed

15:59:06 [chaals]

zakim, mute john_foliot

15:59:06 [Zakim]

John_Foliot should now be muted

15:59:36 [JF]

CMM: reached the end. Would like to thank Mark for coming to explain this topic further

15:59:58 [Zakim]

-hober

16:00:03 [Zakim]

-markw

16:00:04 [JF]

there are a large number of things still to be addressed, so please follow the mailing list carefully

16:00:05 [Zakim]

-David_MacDonald

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-Janina

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-Judy.a

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-Michael_Cooper

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-Mark_Sadecki

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-IanPouncey

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-chaals

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-John_Foliot

16:00:37 [JF]

rrsagent, make logs public

16:00:43 [Zakim]

-paulc

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/04-html-a11y-minutes.html JF

16:01:12 [JF]

zakim, please part

16:01:12 [Zakim]

leaving. As of this point the attendees were Mark_Sadecki, Judy, +1.661.748.aaaa, Janina, Leonie, paulc, markw, Michael_Cooper, IanPouncey, John_Foliot, hober, +34.67.214.aabb,

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... [IPcaller], smiles, David_MacDonald, chaals

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rrsagent, please part

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