15:03:32 RRSAgent has joined #wcag2ict 15:03:32 logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-wcag2ict-irc 15:03:35 Zakim, this is WAI_(WCAG2ICT) 15:03:37 ok, Judy; that matches WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM 15:03:49 zakim, start meeting 15:03:49 I don't understand 'start meeting', Judy 15:03:53 korn has joined #wcag2ict 15:05:04 Kiran_Kaja has joined #wcag2ict 15:05:06 scribe: Mary_Jo_Mueller 15:05:12 agenda+ Review and confirm agenda, and scribe 15:05:12 agenda+ Confirm next meeting time – including endorsement of “one meeting per week” – consider preference for Tuesday or Friday 15:05:12 agenda+ Continue processing survey on proposed responses to remaining 1st draft comments [2] 15:05:13 agenda+ Action items and plan for next agenda [3] 15:05:13 adjourn 15:05:16 scribenick: MaryJo 15:05:18 Happy New Year from me too! 15:05:32 Chair: Mike_Pluke 15:05:34 zakim, who is on the phone? 15:05:34 On the phone I see [IPcaller], ??P13, Judy, Kiran_Kaja, +1.512.255.aaaa 15:05:35 s/Happy New Year from me too!// 15:05:46 zakim, who's here? 15:05:46 On the phone I see [IPcaller], ??P13, Judy, Kiran_Kaja, +1.512.255.aaaa 15:05:48 On IRC I see Kiran_Kaja, korn, RRSAgent, Zakim, MaryJo, Loic, Mike_P, Judy, MichaelC__, trackbot 15:06:06 Zakim, ??P13 is Loïc_Martinez 15:06:06 +Loïc_Martinez; got it 15:06:40 zakim, next item 15:06:42 agendum 1. "Review and confirm agenda, and scribe" taken up [from Judy] 15:06:56 +[Oracle] 15:07:00 Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn 15:07:00 +Peter_Korn; got it 15:07:24 For the new year 1 meeting per week is sufficient. 15:07:55 q+ 15:10:30 ack J 15:10:57 +David_MacDonald 15:12:44 David has joined #wcag2ict 15:16:24 RESOLUTION: We'll have only Friday meetings at the same time starting with next week. 15:17:23 zakim, next item 15:17:23 agendum 2. "Confirm next meeting time – including endorsement of “one meeting per week” – consider preference for Tuesday or Friday" taken up [from Judy] 15:17:47 zakim, close item 15:17:47 I don't understand 'close item', MaryJo 15:17:59 zakim, next item 15:17:59 agendum 2 was just opened, MaryJo 15:18:00 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/dec212012/results 15:18:45 + +1.510.334.aabb 15:18:47 -[Oracle] 15:19:02 zakim, next item 15:19:02 agendum 3. "Continue processing survey on proposed responses to remaining 1st draft comments" taken up [from 2] 15:19:11 Zakim, aabb is Peter_Korn 15:19:11 +Peter_Korn; got it 15:19:25 LC-2676, proposal will be made for next time 15:19:58 LC-2682 - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/dec212012/results#xq16 15:21:48 Peter and Alex made good points about the handling of static text, prefilled text fields and read-only text fields. 15:22:18 The situation described appears to the Task Force to contain UI components in the non-web software world. Static text *is* a UI component (typically with role "static text"); certainly editable text fields - even if pre-filled-in - are UI components. They should have roles. Assuming pre-filled means that the field is pre-populated AND not changeable, the state of the field would be read-only. 15:24:12 RESOLUTION: Use the response with the updates from this meeting above. 15:24:52 LC-2673 - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/dec212012/results#xq17 15:26:15 The W3C did not initiate the concept of applying WCAG outside of Web Content. Rather it was the US Access Board who noted that the guidelines for electronic documents and software in the TEITAC report paralleled WCAG 2.0. The Access Board has proposed that WCAG 2.0 be used as the standard for non-web content and software in the Section 508 refresh process. Current drafts of European Mandate 376 (M376) standards are following the US lead. Through this tas[CUT] 15:27:08 The W3C did not initiate the concept of applying WCAG outside of Web Content. Rather it was the US Access Board who noted that the guidelines for electronic documents and software in the TEITAC report paralleled WCAG 2.0. The Access Board has proposed that WCAG 2.0 be used as the standard for non-web content and software in the Section 508 refresh process. 15:27:22 Current drafts of European Mandate 376 (M376) standards are following the US lead. Through this task force, the W3C is developing a common understanding of how WCAG 2.0 might apply to non-web ICT for organizations and entities who are already seeking to so adopt and apply WCAG 2.0. By doing this we increase the likelhood that these applications of WCAG 2.0 will be consistent, and in keeping with the Principles, Guidelines, and Intent of WCAG 2.0. 15:27:33 If you feel that WCAG 2.0 should not be used for non-web content and software, then we would suggest that you address your comments to the U.S. Access Board and EU M376 standards development team. 15:29:24 q+ 15:30:14 -Judy 15:35:20 Comments on the use WCAG 2.0 for non-web content and software, can be sent to the U.S. Access Board and submitted as part of the EU M376 review process. 15:37:09 +[Oracle] 15:37:11 RESOLUTION: Accept the proposed resolution for LC-2673 as updated in the meeting, posted above using the above block of text instead of the last sentence. 15:37:11 Zakim, Oracle has Peter_Korn 15:37:11 +Peter_Korn; got it 15:37:14 -Peter_Korn 15:38:34 LC-2652 - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/dec212012/results#xq18 15:39:39 The W3C did not initiate the concept of applying WCAG outside of Web Content. Rather it was the US Access Board who noted that the guidelines for electronic documents and software in the TEITAC report paralleled WCAG 2.0. The Access Board has proposed that WCAG 2.0 be used as the standard for non-web content and software in the Section 508 refresh process. Current drafts of European Mandate 376 (M376) standards are following the US lead. 15:39:49 Through this task force, the W3C is developing a common understanding of how WCAG 2.0 might apply to non-web ICT for organizations and entities who are already seeking to so adopt and apply WCAG 2.0. By doing this we increase the likelhood that these applications of WCAG 2.0 will be consistent, and in keeping with the Principles, Guidelines, and Intent of WCAG 2.0. 15:39:59 The task force work statement is consistent with the WCAG working group charter that includes the following under its scope: "Coordinating with other entities adopting and using WCAG 2.0." 15:40:08 Comments on the use WCAG 2.0 for non-web content and software, can be sent to the U.S. Access Board and submitted as part of the EU M376 review process. 15:42:29 RESOLUTION: Accept the proposed resolution for LC-2652 as updated in the meeting, posted above. 15:44:54 +Bruce_Bailey 15:45:02 Propose that we use "and/or" instead of "and" in the last part of the last sentence of LC-2673 and LC-2652 responses 15:45:14 BBailey has joined #wcag2ict 15:45:35 zakim, i am bruce 15:45:35 ok, BBailey, I now associate you with Bruce_Bailey 15:45:41 zakim, mute me 15:45:41 Bruce_Bailey should now be muted 15:45:53 RESOLUTION: Accept update to the last part of the last sentence text for LC-2652 and LC-2673 using 'and/or' instead of 'and'. 15:47:02 LC-2665 - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/dec212012/results#xq19 15:48:35 +1 to Loïc's addition. 15:48:40 Perhaps Loïc might do the re-word? 15:49:03 This proposed resolution requires some more extensive editing, so we need a new proposal to survey. 15:50:34 Zakim, who is here? 15:50:34 On the phone I see [IPcaller], Loïc_Martinez, Kiran_Kaja, +1.512.255.aaaa, David_MacDonald, [Oracle], Bruce_Bailey (muted) 15:50:37 [Oracle] has Peter_Korn 15:50:37 On IRC I see BBailey, David, Kiran_Kaja, korn, RRSAgent, Zakim, MaryJo, Loic, Mike_P, Judy, MichaelC__, trackbot 15:53:27 Loïc:Re-write response to LC-2665 and we will re-survey 15:54:33 Action: Loic to Re-write response to LC-2665 and we will re-survey - due 2013-1-16 15:54:33 Error finding 'Loic'. You can review and register nicknames at . 15:55:31 Action: Loïc_Martinez to Re-write response to LC-2665 and we will re-survey - due 2013-1-16 15:55:31 Error finding 'Loïc_Martinez'. You can review and register nicknames at . 15:56:50 LC-2667 - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/dec212012/results#xq21 15:58:49 Proposal that we should provide the same reply as the other 2 comments about applying WCAG 2.0 to non-web ICT. 15:59:41 q+ 15:59:49 zakim, unmute me 15:59:50 Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted 16:00:28 zakim, mute me 16:00:28 Bruce_Bailey should now be muted 16:01:35 RESOLUTION: Accept using the same response as we agreed upon for LC-2673 as a response to LC-2667. 16:02:07 LC-2674 - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/dec212012/results#xq23 16:02:25 Proposal that we use the same response as LC-2673 16:05:12 +Judy 16:05:18 RESOLUTION: Accept using the same response as we agreed upon for LC-2673 as a response to LC-2674. 16:05:48 q? 16:05:51 ack j 16:06:06 LC-2656 - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/dec212012/results#xq24 16:06:43 Proposal we use the same response as LC-2666 since this text commented on no longer exists in the 2nd public draft. 16:07:13 q- 16:08:02 The WCAG2ICT task force was not charged with creating a normative standard nor with reviewing and evaluating standards from other organizations. In fact, the task force has no standing to make comments about the applicability or inapplicability of standards from other standards organizations. 16:08:02 Our job is to provide informative guidance on how to apply the WCAG 2.0 principles, guidelines, and success criteria to non-web ICT in response to actions by the US Access Board and EU M376 standards development team proposing to use WCAG 2.0 as the standard for non-web ICT. 16:08:02 If this task force were creating a normative standard and normatively citing parts of other standards as part of its standard, then it would indeed list those other standards. However this is not a group that is creating a normative standard. 16:08:02 See also the introduction section and the excluded from scope section of the new draft document. 16:09:45 RESOLUTION: Accept using the same response agreed upon for LC-2666 as a response to LC-2656, posted above. 16:12:11 LC-2661 - https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/dec212012/results#xq25 16:13:39 Proposal to combine LC-2661 with LC-2656 and give one response to both. 16:15:48 RESOLUTION: Accept combining LC-2661 with LC-2656, and using the response for LC-2656 16:17:23 Target next week's surevey for 2 remaining actions for editing the proposed text (action 90, and today's action for Loic). 16:17:31 s/surevey/survey/ 16:19:04 Peter is performing a compare/contrast between the M376 last public draft and our latest public draft. 16:19:20 We can use this information to make comments on M376. 16:19:35 We also need to develop language on the topic of conformance. 16:19:58 Open actions: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/actions/open 16:20:06 The very first sentence of the introduction also needs an update. 16:20:27 zakim, next item 16:20:27 agendum 4. "Action items and plan for next agenda" taken up [from 3] 16:21:45 "Abstract This document, “Guidance on Applying WCAG 2.0 to non-Web Information and Communications Technologies” describes how the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0 and its principles, guidelines, success criteria and conformance model can be applied to non-Web Information and Communications Technologies (ICT), specifically non-Web documents and software." 16:21:48 s/introduction/abstract/ 16:22:12 Work Statement: "As part of this work, the Task Force will also review WCAG 2.0 Conformance in the context of how it might apply to non-web ICT." 16:23:51 The above issue is captured in action 81. 16:24:27 The conformance topic is capture in action 66. 16:24:34 s/capture/captured/ 16:25:27 It would be preferrable one or more of the remaining actions have a proposal ready for next week's meeting. 16:25:29 Judy agrees that there is a disconnect in how conformance is mentioned in the current abstract; it took something that was roughly correct as a statement of intent, and made it sound like it was part of the actual content of the dec 13th draft. 16:25:41 s/preferrable one/prefferable if one/ 16:26:06 q+ 16:26:15 zakim, unmute me 16:26:15 Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted 16:26:26 -David_MacDonald 16:26:54 s/prefferable/preferrable/ 16:28:26 -[Oracle] 16:28:28 -Loïc_Martinez 16:28:29 -Judy 16:28:29 -Bruce_Bailey 16:28:31 - +1.512.255.aaaa 16:28:36 -[IPcaller] 16:28:48 rrsagent, make minutes 16:28:48 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo 16:28:49 -Kiran_Kaja 16:28:51 WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has ended 16:28:51 Attendees were [IPcaller], Judy, Kiran_Kaja, +1.512.255.aaaa, Loïc_Martinez, Peter_Korn, David_MacDonald, +1.510.334.aabb, Bruce_Bailey 16:49:10 Judy_clone has joined #wcag2ict 16:54:01 korn has left #wcag2ict 17:14:40 Judy_clone has joined #wcag2ict 17:19:30 rrsagent, make log world 17:28:17 regrets: Alex_Li, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Shadi_Abou-Zahra 17:28:50 rrsagent, make minutes 17:28:50 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo 18:32:37 SV_MEETING_TITLE: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference 18:32:45 rrsagent, make minutes 18:32:45 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo 18:39:29 s/SV_MEETING_TITLE/WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference/ 18:39:36 rrsagent, make minutes 18:39:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo 18:41:29 Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference 18:41:37 rrsagent, make minutes 18:41:37 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/01/11-wcag2ict-minutes.html MaryJo