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13:57:57 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/01-ldp-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/01-ldp-irc ←
13:57:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
13:58:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP ←
13:58:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started ←
13:58:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:58:02 <trackbot> Date: 01 October 2012
13:58:15 <gavinc> Zakim, who is here?
Gavin Carothers: Zakim, who is here? ←
13:58:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see +329331aaaa, +1.707.861.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +329331aaaa, +1.707.861.aabb ←
13:58:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben1, krp, Arnaud, svillata, nmihindu, gavinc, bblfish, betehess, trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben1, krp, Arnaud, svillata, nmihindu, gavinc, bblfish, betehess, trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro ←
13:58:22 <gavinc> Zakim, aabb is me
Gavin Carothers: Zakim, aabb is me ←
13:58:30 <Zakim> +gavinc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +gavinc; got it ←
13:58:58 <Ruben> zakim, aaaa is me
Ruben Verborgh: zakim, aaaa is me ←
13:58:58 <Zakim> +Ruben; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben; got it ←
13:59:15 <Ruben> zakim, mute me
Ruben Verborgh: zakim, mute me ←
13:59:15 <Zakim> Ruben should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Ruben should now be muted ←
13:59:33 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
13:59:49 <svillata> Zakim, ??P4 is me
Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P4 is me ←
13:59:49 <Zakim> +svillata; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it ←
13:59:53 <Zakim> + +1.919.306.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.919.306.aacc ←
14:00:14 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:00:19 <SteveS> zakim, .aacc is me
Steve Speicher: zakim, .aacc is me ←
14:00:22 <Zakim> sorry, SteveS, I do not recognize a party named '.aacc'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, SteveS, I do not recognize a party named '.aacc' ←
14:00:22 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me ←
14:00:27 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
14:00:35 <AndyS> zakim, [IPCaller] is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, [IPCaller] is me ←
14:00:36 <Zakim> + +1.408.996.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.408.996.aadd ←
14:00:39 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named '[IPCaller]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AndyS, I do not recognize a party named '[IPCaller]' ←
14:00:40 <Zakim> + +1.510.206.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.510.206.aaee ←
14:00:55 <Zakim> + +1.510.698.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.510.698.aaff ←
14:00:57 <SteveS> zakim, 1.919.306.aacc is me
Steve Speicher: zakim, 1.919.306.aacc is me ←
14:01:01 <Zakim> sorry, SteveS, I do not recognize a party named '1.919.306.aacc'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, SteveS, I do not recognize a party named '1.919.306.aacc' ←
14:01:45 <Zakim> + +44.754.550.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.754.550.aagg ←
14:01:48 <bblfish> zakim, who is here?
Henry Story: zakim, who is here? ←
14:01:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben (muted), gavinc, svillata, +1.919.306.aacc, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, +1.510.206.aaee, +1.510.698.aaff, +44.754.550.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben (muted), gavinc, svillata, +1.919.306.aacc, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, +1.510.206.aaee, +1.510.698.aaff, +44.754.550.aagg ←
14:01:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see nmihindu, dret, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, krp, Arnaud, svillata, gavinc, bblfish, betehess, trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see nmihindu, dret, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, krp, Arnaud, svillata, gavinc, bblfish, betehess, trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro ←
14:02:07 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:02:09 <cygri> zakim, code?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, code? ←
14:02:09 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri ←
14:02:23 <dret> zakim, +1.510.206.aaee is me
Erik Wilde: zakim, +1.510.206.aaee is me ←
14:02:23 <Zakim> +dret; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +dret; got it ←
14:02:24 <Zakim> +mhausenblas
Zakim IRC Bot: +mhausenblas ←
14:02:27 <cygri> zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, mhausenblas is temporarily me ←
14:02:27 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
14:02:28 <bblfish> zakim, aaff is me
Henry Story: zakim, aaff is me ←
14:02:28 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish; got it ←
14:02:43 <bblfish> ( zakim is forgetful from time to time it seems )
Henry Story: ( zakim is forgetful from time to time it seems ) ←
14:02:58 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
14:03:07 <SteveS> zakim, aacc is me
Steve Speicher: zakim, aacc is me ←
14:03:17 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it ←
14:03:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:03:42 <rgarcia> zakim, [IPcaller] is me
Raúl García Castro: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←
14:03:42 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +rgarcia; got it ←
14:03:45 <Zakim> +??P24
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24 ←
14:03:48 <Zakim> + +1.617.324.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.324.aahh ←
14:04:04 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:05:11 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
14:05:59 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
14:05:59 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
14:06:02 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:06:02 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
14:07:20 <andras> zakim, who's here?
András Micsik: zakim, who's here? ←
14:07:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben (muted), gavinc, svillata, SteveS, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, dret, bblfish, +44.754.550.aagg, Ashok_Malhotra, cygri, EricP, rgarcia, ??P24, Yves, Sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben (muted), gavinc, svillata, SteveS, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, dret, bblfish, +44.754.550.aagg, Ashok_Malhotra, cygri, EricP, rgarcia, ??P24, Yves, Sandro, ←
14:07:24 <Zakim> ... MacTed (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... MacTed (muted) ←
14:07:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see andras, MacTed, rgarcia, cygri, nmihindu, dret, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, krp, Arnaud, svillata, gavinc, bblfish, betehess,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see andras, MacTed, rgarcia, cygri, nmihindu, dret, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, krp, Arnaud, svillata, gavinc, bblfish, betehess, ←
14:07:24 <Zakim> ... trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro ←
14:08:52 <ericP> scribenick: ericP
(Scribe set to Eric Prud'hommeaux)
14:10:01 <andras> zakim, ??P24 may be andras
András Micsik: zakim, ??P24 may be andras ←
14:10:01 <Zakim> +andras; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +andras; got it ←
14:10:30 <bblfish> I think the TPAC form is a bit confusing and has problems
Henry Story: I think the TPAC form is a bit confusing and has problems ←
14:10:48 <Zakim> +??P32
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32 ←
14:11:07 <bblfish> which page?
Henry Story: which page? ←
14:11:18 <krp> zakim, ??P32 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P32 is me ←
14:11:18 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
14:11:38 <bblfish> welcome :-)
Henry Story: welcome :-) ←
14:11:43 <rgarcia> I am rgarcia
Raúl García Castro: I am rgarcia ←
14:12:41 <rgarcia> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012May/0008.html
Raúl García Castro: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2012May/0008.html ←
14:12:44 <ericP> sandro: we had a round of introductions at the beginning of the WG. we should point new members at that thread.
Sandro Hawke: we had a round of introductions at the beginning of the WG. we should point new members at that thread. ←
14:13:02 <SteveS> +1 to Sept 24 minutes
Steve Speicher: +1 to Sept 24 minutes ←
14:13:31 <ericP> PROPOSED: accept 24 Sept members
PROPOSED: accept 24 Sept minutes ←
14:13:35 <ericP> APPROVED
APPROVED ←
14:13:42 <ericP> topic: WG F2F
14:14:02 <ericP> Arnaud: we now have a really big room (25 attendees + 10 observers)
Arnaud Le Hors: we now have a really big room (25 attendees + 10 observers) ←
14:14:15 <Ashok_Malhotra> s/members/minutes/
14:14:42 <ericP> ... still a discrepency between those planning to attend (wiki) and those registered (wbs registration)
... still a discrepency between those planning to attend (wiki) and those registered (wbs registration) ←
14:14:50 <bblfish> speaking of TPAC there is a WebID & RWW community group now up on the agenda you can come to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/
Henry Story: speaking of TPAC there is a WebID & RWW community group now up on the agenda you can come to http://www.w3.org/2012/10/TPAC/ ←
14:14:51 <ericP> ... note that the rate goes up for later registration
... note that the rate goes up for later registration ←
14:15:15 <ericP> topic: Actions
14:15:22 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy? ←
14:15:33 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.408.996.aadd (23%), rgarcia (37%), EricP (4%)
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.408.996.aadd (23%), rgarcia (37%), EricP (4%) ←
14:16:26 <ericP> Arnaud: saw mail from Michael Hausenblas on ACTION-6: Review SDshare
Arnaud Le Hors: saw mail from Michael Hausenblas on ACTION-6: Review SDshare ←
14:16:31 <ericP> ... sounds like there's progress
... sounds like there's progress ←
14:16:59 <ericP> yves: progress on ACTION-14: Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread.
Yves Lafon: progress on ACTION-14: Look at tracker config to ensure when an issue is mentioned in an email that the action is updated with the email thread. ←
14:17:44 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
14:18:04 <ericP> ... tracker should be able to re-scan the mail archives
... tracker should be able to re-scan the mail archives ←
14:18:10 <SteveBattle> zakim, ??P34 is me
Steve Battle: zakim, ??P34 is me ←
14:18:10 <Zakim> +SteveBattle; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveBattle; got it ←
14:19:12 <ericP> ericP: re: ACTION-16 Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason
Eric Prud'hommeaux: re: ACTION-16 Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason ←
14:19:25 <ericP> ... timbl said he wants us to write directly into /ns
... timbl said he wants us to write directly into /ns ←
14:19:31 <ericP> ACTION-16 CLOSED
14:19:32 <trackbot> ACTION-16 Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason. closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-16 Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason. closed ←
14:20:11 <MacTed> action-15?
14:20:11 <trackbot> ACTION-15 -- Andy Seaborne to provide usecase for Issue-2 -- due 2012-10-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-15 -- Andy Seaborne to provide usecase for ISSUE-2 -- due 2012-10-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW ←
14:20:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/15
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/15 ←
14:20:21 <bblfish> you can do close ACTION-16
Henry Story: you can do close ACTION-16 ←
14:20:47 <bblfish> close ACTION-16
Henry Story: close ACTION-16 ←
14:20:47 <trackbot> ACTION-16 Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason. closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-16 Confirm with W3C director that if we use /ns/ldp now, we'll be allowed to change to a different /ns/ later if there's a good reason. closed ←
14:21:18 <SteveS> looks like I saw new words but haven't reviewed
Steve Speicher: looks like I saw new words but haven't reviewed ←
14:21:22 <ericP> AndyS, i've completed ACTION-15 Provide usecase for Issue-2
AndyS, i've completed ACTION-15 Provide usecase for ISSUE-2 ←
14:21:26 <AndyS> close ACTION-15
Andy Seaborne: close ACTION-15 ←
14:21:26 <trackbot> ACTION-15 Provide usecase for Issue-2 closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-15 Provide usecase for ISSUE-2 closed ←
14:21:27 <ericP> ACTION-15 CLOSED
14:21:27 <trackbot> ACTION-15 Provide usecase for Issue-2 closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-15 Provide usecase for ISSUE-2 closed ←
14:21:57 <AndyS> steve(S|B) -- let me know if you want something different
Andy Seaborne: steve(S|B) -- let me know if you want something different ←
14:22:31 <ericP> topic: Issues
14:22:59 <ericP> Arnaud: re: ISSUE-7 What operations are permittered on containers and how do they get invoked?
Arnaud Le Hors: re: ISSUE-7 What operations are permittered on containers and how do they get invoked? ←
14:23:17 <ericP> SteveS: haven't looked at it in detail
Steve Speicher: haven't looked at it in detail ←
14:23:23 <ericP> ... does it mean HTTP verbs?
... does it mean HTTP verbs? ←
14:23:28 <ericP> AndyS: higher-level
Andy Seaborne: higher-level ←
14:23:38 <ericP> ... how do i create a container which isn't in another container
... how do i create a container which isn't in another container ←
14:23:47 <ericP> SteveS: wouldn't have parsed that from the issue
Steve Speicher: wouldn't have parsed that from the issue ←
14:24:02 <Zakim> + +44.208.573.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.573.aaii ←
14:24:33 <ericP> ... sounds reasonable though
... sounds reasonable though ←
14:24:59 <ericP> ericP: AndyS, did you want this mean to be in-scope?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: AndyS, did you want this mean to be in-scope? ←
14:25:32 <nmihindu_> zakim, who's here?
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: zakim, who's here? ←
14:25:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben (muted), gavinc, svillata, SteveS, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, dret, bblfish, +44.754.550.aagg, Ashok_Malhotra, cygri, EricP, rgarcia, andras, Yves, Sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben (muted), gavinc, svillata, SteveS, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, dret, bblfish, +44.754.550.aagg, Ashok_Malhotra, cygri, EricP, rgarcia, andras, Yves, Sandro, ←
14:25:35 <Zakim> ... MacTed (muted), krp, SteveBattle, +44.208.573.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: ... MacTed (muted), krp, SteveBattle, +44.208.573.aaii ←
14:25:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see nmihindu_, andras, MacTed, rgarcia, cygri, dret, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, krp, Arnaud, svillata, gavinc, bblfish, betehess,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see nmihindu_, andras, MacTed, rgarcia, cygri, dret, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, AndyS, Ruben, SteveS, Zakim, RRSAgent, krp, Arnaud, svillata, gavinc, bblfish, betehess, ←
14:25:36 <Zakim> ... trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... trackbot, ericP, Yves, sandro ←
14:25:54 <bblfish> is that not recursive? YOu always start with a root container, and then
Henry Story: is that not recursive? YOu always start with a root container, and then ←
14:26:15 <ericP> AndyS: there isn't sufficient info in the submission to e.g. initialize a container or create a container of containers
Andy Seaborne: there isn't sufficient info in the submission to e.g. initialize a container or create a container of containers ←
14:26:59 <ericP> erik, AtomPub tells you how to interact with containers but does not tell you how to create containers
erik, AtomPub tells you how to interact with containers but does not tell you how to create containers ←
14:27:04 <ericP> erik: AtomPub tells you how to interact with containers but does not tell you how to create containers
Erik Wilde: AtomPub tells you how to interact with containers but does not tell you how to create containers ←
14:27:27 <ericP> ... so there's a spec that does not define this sort of management
... so there's a spec that does not define this sort of management ←
14:27:54 <ericP> Arnaud: i see ample fodder for discussion of ISSUE-7
Arnaud Le Hors: i see ample fodder for discussion of ISSUE-7 ←
14:27:59 <ericP> ISSUE-7 OPEN
14:28:14 <bblfish> open ISSUE-7
Henry Story: open ISSUE-7 ←
14:28:30 <AndyS> I hope that the UCR will highlight this more via the UC's
Andy Seaborne: I hope that the UCR will highlight this more via the UC's ←
14:29:18 <SteveBattle> noted :)
Steve Battle: noted :) ←
14:29:21 <ericP> Arnaud: re: UC&R, i was hesitant to ask you to look for this use case
Arnaud Le Hors: re: UC&R, i was hesitant to ask you to look for this use case ←
14:29:25 <MacTed> issue-7?
14:29:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-7 -- What operations are permittered on containers and how do they get invoked? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-7 -- What operations are permittered on containers and how do they get invoked? -- open ←
14:29:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/7
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/7 ←
14:29:37 <ericP> ... we can always do it later on. the text on the mailing list is sufficient
... we can always do it later on. the text on the mailing list is sufficient ←
14:29:51 <ericP> ... we can add it to the UC&R later
... we can add it to the UC&R later ←
14:30:00 <ericP> AndyS: there's something on the wiki so it won't get lost
Andy Seaborne: there's something on the wiki so it won't get lost ←
14:30:24 <ericP> Arnaud: re: ISSUE-8 Better define or just not use the "Basic profile" terminology
Arnaud Le Hors: re: ISSUE-8 Better define or just not use the "Basic profile" terminology ←
14:30:42 <ericP> ... does "basic profile" convey the right interpretation
... does "basic profile" convey the right interpretation ←
14:31:00 <Zakim> -dret
Zakim IRC Bot: -dret ←
14:31:06 <rgarcia> +1 to change name
Raúl García Castro: +1 to change name ←
14:31:17 <ericP> ... we have a member submission called "Basic Profile"
... we have a member submission called "Basic Profile" ←
14:31:21 <Ashok_Malhotra> +1 to change name
Ashok Malhotra: +1 to change name ←
14:31:23 <Zakim> +dret
Zakim IRC Bot: +dret ←
14:31:41 <bblfish> +1 to change name
Henry Story: +1 to change name ←
14:31:50 <SteveBattle> +
Steve Battle: + ←
14:32:01 <sandro> +1 "Linked Data Platform" was an ad hoc placeholder name -- we should look for ones that might be better.
Sandro Hawke: +1 "Linked Data Platform" was an ad hoc placeholder name -- we should look for ones that might be better. ←
14:32:12 <ericP> ... workshop attendees weren't keen on sussing out the best name. wanted to go ahead start the WG as LD Profile
... workshop attendees weren't keen on sussing out the best name. wanted to go ahead start the WG as LD Profile ←
14:32:23 <ericP> ... but "Profile" is indeed overloaded
... but "Profile" is indeed overloaded ←
14:32:24 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:32:33 <SteveBattle> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
14:33:05 <ericP> SteveS: did we discuss this last week during the ns discussion? thought we decided we'd use "platform"
Steve Speicher: did we discuss this last week during the ns discussion? thought we decided we'd use "platform" ←
14:33:23 <ericP> Arnaud: we decided on "ldp", which could mean "platform" or "profile"
Arnaud Le Hors: we decided on "ldp", which could mean "platform" or "profile" ←
14:33:34 <ericP> ... also the ns and the spec name needn't be the same
... also the ns and the spec name needn't be the same ←
14:33:35 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:33:41 <Arnaud> ack steve
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steve ←
14:34:18 <ericP> SteveBattle: what's the difference between a "Basic Profile" resource and a regular resource?
Steve Battle: what's the difference between a "Basic Profile" resource and a regular resource? ←
14:35:09 <ericP> SteveS: the intent of the member submssion is that BPRs can define their full state via RDF
Steve Speicher: the intent of the member submssion is that BPRs can define their full state via RDF ←
14:35:11 <SteveBattle> q-
Steve Battle: q- ←
14:35:33 <ericP> Arnaud: let's come back to this later, ideally today
Arnaud Le Hors: let's come back to this later, ideally today ←
14:36:21 <ericP> ISSUE-8 OPEN
14:36:37 <ericP> topic: Use Cases and Requirements
14:37:24 <ericP> Arnaud: Erik and I were looking for timelines from the editors
Arnaud Le Hors: Erik and I were looking for timelines from the editors ←
14:37:49 <ericP> ... mhausenblaus wants to step down as editor
... mhausenblaus wants to step down as editor ←
14:37:59 <bblfish> this page: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements
Henry Story: this page: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements ←
14:38:04 <ericP> SteveBattle: should have some text for folks next week
Steve Battle: should have some text for folks next week ←
14:38:17 <ericP> ... targeting Mon 29 Oct for a draft
... targeting Mon 29 Oct for a draft ←
14:38:31 <ericP> ... we've got 7 use cases, about 80% of the way through
... we've got 7 use cases, about 80% of the way through ←
14:38:48 <ericP> ... ... identifying use cases
... ... identifying use cases ←
14:39:11 <ericP> ... anyone who's co-editor should go ahead and hack the wiki
... anyone who's co-editor should go ahead and hack the wiki ←
14:40:35 <ericP> ... non-co-editors, please coordinate with me before editing the wiki (so we don't do redundant work)
... non-co-editors, please coordinate with me before editing the wiki (so we don't do redundant work) ←
14:41:18 <AndyS> The wiki has an RSS feed which is useful to track changes.
Andy Seaborne: The wiki has an RSS feed which is useful to track changes. ←
14:41:26 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:41:43 <ericP> ... i'll mail something later today to point people at the wiki headings
... i'll mail something later today to point people at the wiki headings ←
14:42:17 <ericP> ... i would like more editors
... i would like more editors ←
14:42:37 <ericP> Arnaud: any volunteers to co-edit UC&R?
Arnaud Le Hors: any volunteers to co-edit UC&R? ←
14:43:09 <bblfish> I'll be programming the next 3 weeks to implement ldp, so I'd like to concentrate on that. Will send feedback as I come across problems.
Henry Story: I'll be programming the next 3 weeks to implement ldp, so I'd like to concentrate on that. Will send feedback as I come across problems. ←
14:43:20 <ericP> SteveBattle: go ahead and mail the list if you want to add [and own?] a use case
Steve Battle: go ahead and mail the list if you want to add [and own?] a use case ←
14:43:49 <ericP> Arnaud: i want to clarify the timeline 'cause people don't want to re-re-review documents
Arnaud Le Hors: i want to clarify the timeline 'cause people don't want to re-re-review documents ←
14:44:25 <ericP> SteveBattle: i expect that in the future this will be about monitoring the issues list rather than reviewing documents
Steve Battle: i expect that in the future this will be about monitoring the issues list rather than reviewing documents ←
14:45:38 <ericP> Arnaud: so there will be text to review on 8 Oct
Arnaud Le Hors: so there will be text to review on 8 Oct ←
14:45:55 <ericP> SteveBattle: i expect that we'll be raising issues while writing the spec as well
Steve Battle: i expect that we'll be raising issues while writing the spec as well ←
14:46:59 <ericP> Arnaud: review 8-22 Oct, fixes 22-29 Oct, f2f 29 Oct
Arnaud Le Hors: review 8-22 Oct, fixes 22-29 Oct, f2f 29 Oct ←
14:47:19 <ericP> topic: F2F Agenda
14:48:15 <ericP> Arnaud: i expect to produce a more detailed agenda with time allocations (so we can manage time and give callers target times)
Arnaud Le Hors: i expect to produce a more detailed agenda with time allocations (so we can manage time and give callers target times) ←
14:49:02 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Agenda_.28draft.29 F2F Agenda
-> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F1#Agenda_.28draft.29 F2F Agenda ←
14:49:22 <ericP> Arnaud: at some point we need to generate a test suite. should discuss this at the meeting
Arnaud Le Hors: at some point we need to generate a test suite. should discuss this at the meeting ←
14:49:49 <bblfish> +1 for discussing AccessControl at TPAC
Henry Story: +1 for discussing AccessControl at TPAC ←
14:49:56 <ericP> ... during chartering, we had folks saying strong "yes" and strong "no" about security/access control
... during chartering, we had folks saying strong "yes" and strong "no" about security/access control ←
14:50:45 <gavinc> WebID has a WG
Gavin Carothers: WebID has a WG ←
14:50:49 <ericP> ... bblfish has been discussing WebID. i think that's one of the techs folks will want to examine
... bblfish has been discussing WebID. i think that's one of the techs folks will want to examine ←
14:50:55 <bblfish> TPAC http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012/SessionIdeas#WebID_and_RWWeb
Henry Story: TPAC http://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2012/SessionIdeas#WebID_and_RWWeb ←
14:52:34 <Yves> wednesday is plenary day
Yves Lafon: wednesday is plenary day ←
14:54:27 <ericP> bblfish: on Wed 31 there are TPAC "Session Ideas", we can demo WebID so folks have some concrete idea of what it does
Henry Story: on Wed 31 there are TPAC "Session Ideas", we can demo WebID so folks have some concrete idea of what it does ←
14:55:17 <ericP> ericP: Sessions are usually breakouts which, iirc, are focused on technology areas rather than particular techs
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Sessions are usually breakouts which, iirc, are focused on technology areas rather than particular techs ←
14:55:52 <ericP> Arnaud: this f2f piggybacks on TPAC, but generally we need a host
Arnaud Le Hors: this f2f piggybacks on TPAC, but generally we need a host ←
14:57:14 <ericP> topic: ISSUE-8
14:57:21 <bblfish> Issue-8?
14:57:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-8 -- Better define or just not use the "Basic profile" terminology -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-8 -- Better define or just not use the "Basic profile" terminology -- open ←
14:57:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/8
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/8 ←
14:57:32 <ericP> Arnaud: the spec uses the term "Basic Profile"
Arnaud Le Hors: the spec uses the term "Basic Profile" ←
14:57:47 <ericP> ... last week we decided the ns name would be "ldp"
... last week we decided the ns name would be "ldp" ←
14:58:06 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:58:06 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
14:58:10 <MacTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
14:58:23 <ericP> ... the spec is uses names like "basic profile resource", "basic profile container"
... the spec is uses names like "basic profile resource", "basic profile container" ←
14:58:24 <SteveS> I propose spec name "Linked Data Platform 1.0"
Steve Speicher: I propose spec name "Linked Data Platform 1.0" ←
14:58:36 <AndyS> When I hear it I ask myself "where are the other (non-basic) profiles"
Andy Seaborne: When I hear it I ask myself "where are the other (non-basic) profiles" ←
14:58:38 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:58:45 <AndyS> +1 to SteveS
Andy Seaborne: +1 to SteveS ←
14:58:49 <gavinc> +1 to SteveS
Gavin Carothers: +1 to SteveS ←
14:58:55 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
14:58:56 <ericP> Ashok_Malhotra: a "profile" is typically a subset of a large spec space
Ashok Malhotra: a "profile" is typically a subset of a large spec space ←
14:59:10 <rgarcia> +1 to SteveS without version number
Raúl García Castro: +1 to SteveS without version number ←
14:59:16 <SteveS> can give explanation of why we came up with it, reasons are different than now
Steve Speicher: can give explanation of why we came up with it, reasons are different than now ←
14:59:26 <krp> +1 AndyS... profile implies to me that there are others (advanced, intermediate?!)
Kevin Page: +1 AndyS... profile implies to me that there are others (advanced, intermediate?!) ←
14:59:51 <ericP> i note that "profile" is defensible given that we have a lot of choices given HTTP and RDF
i note that "profile" is defensible given that we have a lot of choices given HTTP and RDF ←
14:59:59 <bblfish> ldp: linked data protocol?
Henry Story: ldp: linked data protocol? ←
14:59:59 <Arnaud> ack macted
Arnaud Le Hors: ack macted ←
15:00:08 <ericP> MacTed: "basic" implies that there's a intermediate and an advanced
Ted Thibodeau: "basic" implies that there's a intermediate and an advanced ←
15:00:11 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:00:19 <ericP> ... that these are resources with particular characteristics
... that these are resources with particular characteristics ←
15:00:20 <gavinc> +q to make proposal
Gavin Carothers: +q to make proposal ←
15:00:23 <Yves> basic might imply simple
Yves Lafon: basic might imply simple ←
15:00:29 <Yves> not mandating an advanced version
Yves Lafon: not mandating an advanced version ←
15:01:06 <ericP> Arnaud: IBM had a lot of things we wanted to include but whittled them down to the "Basic Profiles" submssion
Arnaud Le Hors: IBM had a lot of things we wanted to include but whittled them down to the "Basic Profiles" submssion ←
15:01:15 <ericP> MacTed: does this list still exist
Ted Thibodeau: does this list still exist ←
15:01:29 <bblfish> ldp started out from http://open-services.net/
Henry Story: ldp started out from http://open-services.net/ ←
15:01:31 <rgarcia> In that case, it sounds better "simple" than "basic", in the sense that we can have "Complex" specifications over this one
Raúl García Castro: In that case, it sounds better "simple" than "basic", in the sense that we can have "Complex" specifications over this one ←
15:01:51 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:01:59 <ericP> Arnaud: yep, at open http://open-services.net/
Arnaud Le Hors: yep, at open http://open-services.net/ ←
15:02:00 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
15:02:20 <bblfish> what about Linked Data Protocol?
Henry Story: what about Linked Data Protocol? ←
15:02:29 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:02:43 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:02:53 <gavinc> PROPOSAL: Name recommendation "Linked Data Platform" with or without a version number
PROPOSED: Name recommendation "Linked Data Platform" with or without a version number ←
15:03:00 <ericP> bblfish: seems analogous to Atom Pub Protocol
Henry Story: seems analogous to Atom Pub Protocol ←
15:03:07 <SteveS> -1 I worry about overloading LDP even within our own WG
Steve Speicher: -1 I worry about overloading LDP even within our own WG ←
15:03:12 <roger> +1 to "Linked Data Protocol"
Roger Menday: +1 to "Linked Data Protocol" ←
15:03:34 <dret> liking protocol, but that has a very specific meaning in networking and REST communities
Erik Wilde: liking protocol, but that has a very specific meaning in networking and REST communities ←
15:03:50 <bblfish> but we do use GET, PUT, POST, DELETE ...
Henry Story: but we do use GET, PUT, POST, DELETE ... ←
15:03:57 <bblfish> ok
Henry Story: ok ←
15:04:37 <ericP> protocol? program? procedure? principle?
protocol? program? procedure? principle? ←
15:04:44 <bblfish> paradigm
Henry Story: paradigm ←
<Arnaud> Arnaud: We'll leave it at this for now, think about it and next week we'll try to resolve it.
Arnaud Le Hors: We'll leave it at this for now, think about it and next week we'll try to resolve it. [ Scribe Assist by Arnaud Le Hors ] ←
<Arnaud> MEETING ADJOURNED
Arnaud Le Hors: MEETING ADJOURNED ←
15:04:48 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
15:04:58 <Zakim> -rgarcia
Zakim IRC Bot: -rgarcia ←
15:04:59 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
15:04:59 <Zakim> -Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves ←
15:05:00 <Zakim> - +44.208.573.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: - +44.208.573.aaii ←
15:05:00 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
15:05:00 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
15:05:01 <Zakim> -gavinc
Zakim IRC Bot: -gavinc ←
15:05:02 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
15:05:04 <Zakim> -dret
Zakim IRC Bot: -dret ←
15:05:06 <Zakim> - +44.754.550.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: - +44.754.550.aagg ←
15:05:08 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:05:10 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
15:05:12 <Zakim> - +1.408.996.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.408.996.aadd ←
15:05:14 <Zakim> -andras
Zakim IRC Bot: -andras ←
15:05:17 <Zakim> -Ruben
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben ←
15:05:18 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:05:20 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:05:20 <Arnaud> ack gavinc
Arnaud Le Hors: ack gavinc ←
15:05:22 <Zakim> -svillata
Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata ←
15:05:33 <gavinc> ack me
Gavin Carothers: ack me ←
15:10:16 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, SteveBattle, in SW_LDP()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, SteveBattle, in SW_LDP()10:00AM ←
15:10:17 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
15:10:17 <Zakim> Attendees were +329331aaaa, +1.707.861.aabb, gavinc, Ruben, svillata, +1.919.306.aacc, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, +1.510.698.aaff, +44.754.550.aagg, Ashok_Malhotra, dret, cygri,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +329331aaaa, +1.707.861.aabb, gavinc, Ruben, svillata, +1.919.306.aacc, AndyS, +1.408.996.aadd, +1.510.698.aaff, +44.754.550.aagg, Ashok_Malhotra, dret, cygri, ←
15:10:17 <Zakim> ... bblfish, EricP, SteveS, rgarcia, +1.617.324.aahh, Sandro, Yves, MacTed, andras, krp, SteveBattle, +44.208.573.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: ... bblfish, EricP, SteveS, rgarcia, +1.617.324.aahh, Sandro, Yves, MacTed, andras, krp, SteveBattle, +44.208.573.aaii ←
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