IRC log of mlw-lt on 2012-11-28
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- 13:04:05 [Yves_]
- I'm waiting for the GTM session to start
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- present +philr
- 13:06:14 [Yves_]
- Do you know if Dave is joining us?
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- Or if anyone else can start the GTM session?
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- 13:07:14 [Yves_]
- Hi Felix, we are waiting for the GTM to start
- 13:08:11 [Yves_]
- Ok I'll start a different one then.
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- https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/745412769
- 13:10:52 [Jirka]
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- 13:12:48 [Yves_]
- Scribe: Yves_
- 13:12:56 [Yves_]
- LQ Rating/Precis
- 13:13:03 [Yves_]
- Topic: LQ Rating/Precis
- 13:14:07 [Yves_]
- Phil: let's drop global
- 13:14:22 [Yves_]
- .. for score I think Des was asking for 0 to 100
- 13:14:27 [Yves_]
- .. and make them decimal
- 13:16:09 [Yves_]
- Y: what about threshold?
- 13:16:33 [Yves_]
- Jirka: can do a condition
- 13:16:40 [Yves_]
- .. or create two threshold
- 13:18:05 [Yves_]
- Y: do we have example for the two types of score at the same time?
- 13:18:16 [Yves_]
- Jirka: currently it's not allowed
- 13:18:42 [Yves_]
- Phil: not one of my scenarios
- 13:19:07 [Yves_]
- Jirka: we can have two thresholds and keep the scores exclusive
- 13:19:22 [philr]
- Yes, two thresholds is fine with me.
- 13:19:26 [dF]
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- 13:19:33 [Yves_]
- .. that way we can have a change if needed
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- scribe: daveL
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- topic: loc quality precis data category
- 13:22:06 [daveL]
- yves: summarising, based on discussion with phil, arle
- 13:22:37 [daveL]
- ... keeping score and vote mutually exclusive and give them separate thresholds
- 13:23:00 [daveL]
- ... will update these offline
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- .. later today
- 13:24:15 [Yves_]
- Scribe: yves_
- 13:24:34 [Yves_]
- Dave: no issue in ussing both provenance and LQ rating
- 13:24:44 [philr]
- Way back locQualityIssue/Rating had an agent but this wa dropped so I would want to use Translation Agent Provenance
- 13:24:45 [Yves_]
- Scribe: Dave
- 13:25:46 [Yves_]
- another change for LQ Rating: use decimal from 0 to 100 for score.
- 13:26:04 [daveL]
- http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#its-tool-annotation
- 13:27:24 [daveL]
- topic: section 8 review
- 13:27:44 [daveL]
- ... christian has also sent a bunch of topic we will review later
- 13:28:42 [daveL]
- Yves: is a 'note' in a normative section itself nomartive
- 13:28:47 [daveL]
- jirka: no
- 13:30:23 [daveL]
- dave: do we need a table label?
- 13:31:00 [daveL]
- yves: good point, but how to do this?
- 13:32:17 [daveL]
- action: felix to check if the data category table can be given a numbered caption in ODD
- 13:32:18 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-333 - Check if the data category table can be given a numbered caption in ODD [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-05].
- 13:34:29 [daveL]
- karl: points out some issues in example 28 following the table
- 13:35:20 [daveL]
- ... with notes in the rule, but not in the content
- 13:35:43 [daveL]
- Fixed by introducing a type element in exmaple 28
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- topic: translate
- 13:43:05 [daveL]
- yves: seems Ok
- 13:43:14 [daveL]
- topic: localsiaiton note
- 13:43:48 [daveL]
- should values be in code element or quote element.
- 13:44:49 [daveL]
- There seem to be an issue with quote element missing a space in the generated document.
- 13:45:25 [daveL]
- also seem to be val in the 'val' element in some places
- 13:46:10 [daveL]
- action: yves to check consistency of use of quote and val
- 13:46:10 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-334 - Check consistency of use of quote and val [on Yves Savourel - due 2012-12-05].
- 13:46:32 [daveL]
- Yves: we need to know which is the right one to use and also the cause of this white space issue
- 13:47:40 [daveL]
- yves: will examples be validated
- 13:48:12 [daveL]
- action: jirka to run examples through ITS schema validator
- 13:48:12 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-335 - Run examples through ITS schema validator [on Jirka Kosek - due 2012-12-05].
- 13:49:35 [daveL]
- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/28-mlw-lt-minutes.html daveL
- 13:50:51 [daveL]
- Yves; another instance of missing white space for use of val element for description in locNoteType
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- topic: terminology
- 13:52:38 [daveL]
- yves: should we have confidence score on this
- 13:55:04 [daveL]
- .. for global
- 13:56:38 [daveL]
- ... but it is there fore local
- 13:57:03 [daveL]
- ... so the issue is that we can't use confidence with attribute text
- 13:58:37 [daveL]
- action: daveL check up on concensus on not using confidence on term global
- 13:58:37 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-336 - Check up on concensus on not using confidence on term global [on David Lewis - due 2012-12-05].
- 14:01:01 [daveL]
- yves: concerned 39 is a bit contrved, but is there from 1.0
- 14:01:22 [daveL]
- yves; should we state in LOCAL definition that 'term' is required
- 14:02:17 [daveL]
- ... possibly not since this was OK for 1.0 even though we tend to say this in the new 2.0 data categories
- 14:02:24 [daveL]
- ... so leave this as is
- 14:02:32 [daveL]
- Topic: directionality
- 14:03:50 [daveL]
- dF; checked discussion on terminology, but its not clear there was support for confidence
- 14:04:56 [daveL]
- action: marcis to confirm that the current local (but not global) is supported - as this is not clear from discussion
- 14:04:56 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find marcis. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/track/users>.
- 14:05:31 [daveL]
- action: daveL to check with marcis to confirm that the current local (but not global) is supported - as this is not clear from discussion
- 14:05:31 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-337 - Check with marcis to confirm that the current local (but not global) is supported - as this is not clear from discussion [on David Lewis - due 2012-12-05].
- 14:06:09 [daveL]
- yves: for directionality, we won't look in detail as note indicates it is a feature are risk, and the same for ruby
- 14:07:16 [daveL]
- jirka: there are some missing attribute in HTML5, but as this is unstable its difficult to determine this now
- 14:07:43 [daveL]
- ... recommend leaving it as it is and revisit against updates happending in HTML during the spec process
- 14:08:14 [daveL]
- topic: language information data category
- 14:09:51 [daveL]
- yves: there is an editor note on adding example for HTML5 and lang
- 14:10:34 [daveL]
- ... added some wording on use of lang in HTML
- 14:11:00 [daveL]
- ... and make some paragrpahs specific to XML
- 14:11:49 [daveL]
- ... but don't say anything about HTML since lang is mandated
- 14:13:27 [daveL]
- Yves; dropped the note about having a HTML example since it didn't seem very necessary
- 14:16:48 [daveL]
- karl; is the editor note looking for explanation of why we don't support HTML
- 14:17:37 [daveL]
- yves: Ok, add note explaining that lang is mandatory in HTML so it doesn't need to be supported in this data categories
- 14:17:47 [daveL]
- topic; elements within text
- 14:18:24 [daveL]
- yves: we did add a local mechanism that wasn't there before in 1.0
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- ... seems Ok
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- topic: domain
- 14:19:46 [daveL]
- yves: first of the new ones so needs careful examination
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- 14:31:41 [daveL]
- Made explanatory text for example 54 clearer
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- added 'val' elements that were missing
- 14:40:06 [daveL]
- topic;disambiguation
- 14:40:31 [daveL]
- action: yves to add globally the disambigsource attribute
- 14:40:31 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-338 - Add globally the disambigsource attribute [on Yves Savourel - due 2012-12-05].
- 14:45:40 [daveL]
- removed ed note referring to need for test case. this was noted in general for all MUSTS in the last editing call
- 14:57:16 [daveL]
- daveL: do we need val elements for 0 and 1
- 14:57:45 [daveL]
- Yves: no since we are actually refernecing a range of values, plus it would need to be changed in a lot of places.
- 15:05:51 [daveL]
- fixed example 56 and 57
- 15:06:04 [daveL]
- topic; locale filter
- 15:06:46 [daveL]
- Yves: it was not clear why the line "Implementations MUST NOT combine lists of language ranges from multiple rules or local attributes." is there?
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- 15:07:24 [daveL]
- ... since it would be addressed anyway by overriding
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- topic: provenance
- 15:22:25 [daveL]
- remove notes column from table as it was empty
- 15:23:49 [daveL]
- changes refernce of external provenance data to 'information'
- 15:24:38 [daveL]
- improved wording on example 61 text
- 15:28:28 [daveL]
- action: daveL to check with flix about provRef now only having one IRI rather than a list of them
- 15:28:28 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-339 - Check with flix about provRef now only having one IRI rather than a list of them [on David Lewis - due 2012-12-05].
- 15:28:33 [Yves_]
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- 15:30:36 [daveL]
- daveL: had an action to provide an XLIFF mapping version of the global ref to standoff data
- 15:31:02 [daveL]
- Yves: but this probably doesn't make sense right now since this would be for XLIFF2.0 which is not yet stable
- 15:31:21 [daveL]
- daveL; agreed, this should be something to pick up later in best practice
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