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14:51:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
14:51:56 <trackbot> Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference
14:51:56 <trackbot> Date: 20 November 2012
14:52:00 <Andi> chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver
14:52:09 <Andi> scribe: Andi_Snow-Weaver
14:52:12 <Andi> scribenick: Andi
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14:59:49 <Zakim> WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has now started
14:59:56 <Zakim> +??P1
15:00:17 <Zakim> +Bruce_Bailey
15:00:22 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:00:47 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
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15:00:53 <Zakim> +Gregg_Vanderheiden
15:00:56 <Zakim> +Kiran_Kaja
15:00:56 <Zakim> +Andi_Snow_Weaver
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15:01:35 <janina> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:01:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, Bruce_Bailey, [Microsoft], [Oracle], Gregg_Vanderheiden, Kiran_Kaja, Andi_Snow_Weaver
15:01:44 <janina> zakim, ??P1 is Janina_Sajka
15:01:44 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
15:01:53 <Andi> zakim, Microsoft has Alex_Li
15:01:54 <Zakim> +Alex_Li; got it
15:02:55 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
15:03:51 <Kiran_Kaja> Very sad to hear that
15:05:26 <Andi> topic: Survey on "set" definitions and and final 3
15:05:27 <Andi> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/NOV182012/results
15:06:02 <BBailey> zakim, i am bruce
15:06:02 <Zakim> ok, BBailey, I now associate you with Bruce_Bailey
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15:06:17 <David> scribe: David
15:10:47 <David> topic: proposal #10 closed functionality https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/introduction-to-wcag2ict-application-note/closed-functionality
15:19:24 <greggvanderheiden> https://sites.google.com/site/wcag2ict/home/introduction-to-wcag2ict-application-note/closed-functionality
15:19:47 <Andi> here is the edited sentence: With these success criteria something else needs to be provided or be required in order to make the information addressed in these success criteria accessible.
15:21:33 <Andi> zakim, who is on the call?
15:21:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Janina_Sajka, Bruce_Bailey, [Microsoft], [Oracle], Gregg_Vanderheiden, Kiran_Kaja, Andi_Snow_Weaver, David_MacDonald
15:21:36 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has Alex_Li
15:24:28 <BBailey> zakim, mute me
15:24:28 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should now be muted
15:25:06 <David> Group editing document... working on call, based on survey feedback...
15:25:37 <BBailey> zakim, unmute me
15:25:37 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey should no longer be muted
15:28:08 <David> Many of the success criteria in WCAG 2.0 do not <remove>provide </remove><add>facilitate</add>direct access
15:33:49 <David> Resolution: accept propsal 10 as edited... to be cleaned up for spelling by editors
15:34:02 <Andi> s/Resolution:/RESOLUTION:?
15:34:13 <David> s/propsal/proposal
15:34:15 <Andi>  s/Resolution:/RESOLUTION:/
15:34:53 <David> s/propsal/proposal/
15:37:22 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:39:14 <David> Topic: "Set of" definitions
15:40:09 <Andi> ack gregg
15:41:01 <Andi> zakim, who is noisy?
15:41:06 <David> Peter: concerned analogue to linking that we are trying to define software..
15:41:12 <Zakim> Andi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_Vanderheiden (75%)
15:41:55 <David> Gregg: Set in WCAG, no mashups... discrete entities, with separate URL, first disappears, when new page comes up...
15:42:04 <Andi> s/Peter: //
15:42:08 <Andi> s/Gregg: //
15:43:52 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:44:14 <Andi> q+
15:44:50 <David> q+
15:46:17 <David> q-
15:46:50 <Andi> ack gregg
15:52:18 <BBailey> q+ to point out that Note 5 is key:  “Note 5: If there is any ambiguity whether the group is a set, then the group is not a set.”
15:53:32 <BBailey> q+ also to ask if Word equation editor and document compare feature are an example of a set?
15:55:10 <Andi> ack andi
15:55:59 <Andi> ack bruce
15:55:59 <Zakim> Bruce_Bailey, you wanted to point out that Note 5 is key:  “Note 5: If there is any ambiguity whether the group is a set, then the group is not a set.” and to ask if Word
15:56:02 <Zakim> ... equation editor and document compare feature are an example of a set?
15:56:06 <greggvanderheiden> group of software programs that are distributed together and that can be launched and be used independently from each other, but that are interlinked each with every other one such that users can easily move from one program to another via a hyperlink or control, without taking other actions in a manner similar to moving between web pages.
15:56:35 <greggvanderheiden> q+
15:56:46 <Kiran_Kaja> q+
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15:57:10 <korn> Sorry; I'm back.
15:57:43 <Andi> q+
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15:58:01 <David> Microsoft or Apple Works set of software?
15:58:54 <David> fundamentally, cannot define software, the way we can a web page...
15:59:14 <David> zakim, mute alex
15:59:14 <Zakim> sorry, David, I do not know which phone connection belongs to alex
15:59:15 <korn> q?
15:59:17 <Andi> ack gregg
15:59:34 <David> zakim, mute alex_
15:59:34 <Zakim> sorry, David, I do not know which phone connection belongs to alex_
16:00:16 <David> zakim, who's noisy?
16:00:16 <greggvanderheiden> q+
16:00:22 <korn> q+
16:00:27 <Zakim> David, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_Vanderheiden (28%), Kiran_Kaja (45%)
16:00:32 <Andi> q-
16:00:41 <Andi> ack kiran
16:02:07 <greggvanderheiden> group of software programs that are distributed together and that can be launched and be used independently from each other, but that are interlinked each with every other one such that users can easily move from one program to another via a consistent set of choices hyperlink or control, without taking other actions in a manner similar to moving between web pages.
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16:02:37 <Andi> ack gregg
16:04:39 <Andi> ack korn
16:10:15 <korn> q+
16:13:27 <greggvanderheiden> group of software programs that are distributed together and that can be launched and be used independently from each other, but that are interlinked each with every other one such that users can easily move from one program to another via a consistent list of choices that appears in each member of the set and allows users to move between the software programs in a manner similar to moving between web pages.
16:13:39 <Andi> suggestion that in order for programs to be part of a set, they have to each have a consisten UI control, such as a menu, that clearly has the names of all of the other programs in the set that is used to switch to the other programs
16:13:54 <Andi> s/consisten /consistent/
16:13:55 <greggvanderheiden> group of software programs that are distributed together and that can be launched and be used independently from each other, but that are interlinked each with every other one such that users can easily move from one program to another via a consistent list of choices that appears in each member of the set
16:14:15 <greggvanderheiden> q+
16:14:20 <Andi> ack korn
16:16:21 <Zakim> + +1.510.334.aaaa
16:16:30 <Andi> ack gregg
16:16:32 <greggvanderheiden> ack g
16:16:41 <korn> Zakim, aaaa is Peter_Korn_again
16:16:41 <Zakim> +Peter_Korn_again; got it
16:17:45 <greggvanderheiden> q+
16:17:58 <Andi> ack gregg
16:18:45 <Zakim> -[Oracle]
16:20:57 <korn> q+
16:22:22 <Andi> ack korn
16:22:26 <alex_> q+
16:24:34 <David> discussion of word smithing "set"
16:24:38 <korn> q+
16:27:08 <Andi> ack alex
16:29:32 <greggvanderheiden> group of software programs that are distributed together and that can be launched and be used independently from each other, but that are interlinked each with every other one such that users can easily move from one program to another via a consistent list of choices that appears in each member of the set
16:29:39 <Andi> ack korn
16:29:53 <Andi> zakim, who is noisy?
16:30:04 <Zakim> Andi, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Gregg_Vanderheiden (44%), Peter_Korn_again (28%)
16:33:02 <David> several in group need to reflect on the proposed definition above...
16:34:28 <korn> q+
16:36:46 <greggvanderheiden> q+
16:36:50 <Andi> ack korn
16:39:21 <Andi> ack gregg
16:41:48 <korn> +1
16:42:53 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
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16:43:33 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
16:43:36 <Zakim> -Peter_Korn_again
16:43:37 <Zakim> -Kiran_Kaja
16:43:38 <Zakim> -Andi_Snow_Weaver
16:43:41 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
16:43:43 <Zakim> -Bruce_Bailey
16:44:05 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:44:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/20-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi
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16:44:51 <Andi> zakim, bye
16:44:51 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees were Bruce_Bailey, [Oracle], Gregg_Vanderheiden, Kiran_Kaja, Andi_Snow_Weaver, Janina_Sajka, Alex_Li, David_MacDonald, +1.510.334.aaaa,
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16:44:55 <Zakim> ... Peter_Korn_again
16:45:14 <Andi> regrets: Loic_Martinez_Normand, Mike_Pluke, Mary_Jo_Mueller
16:45:22 <Andi> rrsagent, make minutes
16:45:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/20-wcag2ict-minutes.html Andi
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