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16:17:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_XForms
16:17:37 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_XForms()11:00AM scheduled to start 17 minutes ago
16:17:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference
16:17:38 <trackbot> Date: 14 November 2012
16:17:57 <Steven_> Regrets: Philip
16:18:03 <Steven_> Chair: Steven
16:18:45 <Steven_> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Nov/0005
16:19:05 <Steven_> Steven_ has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Nov/0005
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16:29:26 <nvdbleek1> zakim, code?
16:29:26 <Zakim> the conference code is 93676 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), nvdbleek1
16:30:01 <Zakim> IA_XForms()11:00AM has now started
16:30:08 <Zakim> +Erik
16:30:47 <Zakim> +nvdbleek
16:30:56 <nvdbleek1> zik, who is here?
16:31:05 <nvdbleek1> zakim, who is here?
16:31:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Erik, nvdbleek
16:31:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see nvdbleek1, Zakim, RRSAgent, alain, Steven, trackbot
16:32:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
16:33:04 <Zakim> +??P12
16:33:05 <alain> Zakil, I am [IPcaller]
16:33:12 <Steven> zakim, I am ??P12
16:33:12 <Zakim> +Steven; got it
16:33:19 <alain> Zakim, I am [IPcaller]
16:33:19 <Zakim> ok, alain, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
16:33:23 <Steven> zakim, [ip is Alain
16:33:23 <Zakim> +Alain; got it
16:33:31 <Steven> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:33:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Erik, nvdbleek, Alain, Steven
16:34:38 <Steven> Topic: Editorial meeting
16:34:56 <Steven> Steven: Next week Nick and I are meeting to edit the spec, Tues, Wed, THurs.
16:35:15 <Steven> ... Hopefully with lots to say Weds at the call.
16:35:24 <Steven> ... And wrap up Thursday with any luck.
16:36:05 <Steven> Topic: 8.1.7 The range Element
16:36:12 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/2012Nov/0000.html
16:36:30 <Steven> Steven: Small typo that I posted to record it and make sure we fix it next week.
16:36:51 <Zakim> -Erik
16:38:00 <Steven> Topic: Highlight validation-error on required field
16:38:00 <Steven> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2012Nov/0000.html
16:38:42 <Steven> Steven: Not yet replied to
16:38:54 <Steven> Alain: I did something on this
16:39:38 <Steven> Steven: Is this an XForms issue?
16:40:03 <Steven> Alain: Yes, what should we do with a required field being empty
16:40:18 <Steven> Nick: Different implementations do different things
16:43:09 <Steven> Steven: I'm inclined to say this is how implementations can differentiate themselves
16:44:17 <Steven> ... I don't see easily how you could do this in CSS
16:44:37 <Steven> Nick: With AVT's you can work around it
16:45:14 <Zakim> +Erik
16:45:45 <Steven> Steven: You mean you could have a class on a parent element saying whether submit had been pressed or not.
16:47:42 <Steven> Steven: You could have a styling that is more like a warning, such as a red background saying that it is required but empty
16:48:05 <Steven> Nick: Some implementions have a flag saying whether a field has been visited.
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16:49:01 <Steven> Steven: You could smuggle a use of :visited
16:49:13 <nvdbleek1> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/CSS_Classes
16:49:14 <Steven> ... that's only defined for links; we could extend its use to fields
16:49:44 <nvdbleek1> Orbeon: xforms-required, xforms-required-filled
16:49:44 <nvdbleek1> xforms-invalid, xforms-visited xforms-invalid-visited
16:49:44 <nvdbleek1> xforms-visited
16:50:12 <ebruchez> (BTW xforms-invalid-visited was there only for IE6 which didn't support combining CSS classes)
16:51:20 <Steven> Steven: Is xforms-visited used for fields in Orbeon?
16:51:25 <Steven> Erik: Yes.
16:51:53 <Steven> Steven: That works.
16:52:14 <Steven> Nick: In the email, he wanted it just after the submission
16:52:29 <Steven> ... then you'd have to do a trick with an AVT
16:53:07 <Steven> ... I didn't understand what Alain did in XSLTforms
16:53:24 <Steven> Alain: It works without an extra class, it works programmatically
16:54:00 <Steven> ... the node is invalid after a validation error
16:54:24 <Steven> Alain: I'll reply.
16:54:48 <Steven> Topic: Optimizing event handling
16:54:48 <Steven> http://blog.orbeon.com/2012/11/optimizing-event-handling.html
16:55:22 <Steven> Erik: The idea is to do the most you can. XML Events allows you to avoid redoing a lot of the work
16:55:54 <Steven> ... we preprocess and cache information about the event paths
16:56:04 <Steven> ... improving event dispatch
16:56:36 <Steven> ... We actually do it lazily the first time an event is dispatched
16:56:54 <Steven> ... it is especially useful when you have hundreds of events dispatched
16:57:46 <Steven> Steven: SOunds like an interesting conference paper
16:57:50 <Steven> s/SO/So/
16:58:16 <Steven> Topic: Community Group
16:58:16 <Steven> [No link]
16:59:50 <Steven> Steven: Maybe we should ask people to plan to post something, maybe one person a week
17:03:17 <Zakim> -Steven
17:03:19 <Zakim> -Erik
17:03:21 <Zakim> -nvdbleek
17:03:35 <Steven> Topic: AOB
17:03:42 <Steven> Steven: There will be a call next week
17:03:46 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
17:04:00 <Steven> rrsagent, who is on the call?
17:04:00 <RRSAgent> I'm logging.  Sorry, nothing found for 'who is on the call'
17:04:08 <Steven> zakim, who is on the call?
17:04:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Alain
17:04:13 <Steven> zakim, drop ALain
17:04:14 <Zakim> Alain is being disconnected
17:04:14 <Zakim> IA_XForms()11:00AM has ended
17:04:14 <Zakim> Attendees were Erik, nvdbleek, [IPcaller], Steven, Alain
17:04:20 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
17:04:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/14-forms-minutes.html Steven
17:05:00 <Steven> s/THurs/Thursday/
17:05:03 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
17:05:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/11/14-forms-minutes.html Steven
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