IRC log of html-media on 2012-10-09
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be 63342
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- ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
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- Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 09 October 2012
- 15:00:13 [adrianba]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, adrianba
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, pal, adrianba, paulc, trackbot, matt
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- zakim, this is HTML_WG
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- ok, adrianba; that matches HTML_WG()11:00AM
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see markw, [Microsoft]
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- zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc, adrianba
- 15:00:50 [matt]
- zakim, code?
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- +paulc, adrianba; got it
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- the conference code is 63342 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), matt
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- +??P19
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- zakim, ??p19 is me
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- +matt; got it
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- zakim, mute me
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- matt should now be muted
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- +Clarke
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- ScribeNick: adrianba
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- Scribe: Adrian Bateman
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- Chair: Paul Cotton
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Oct/0019.html
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see markw, [Microsoft], matt (muted), Clarke
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- [Microsoft] has paulc, adrianba
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- Regrets+ John_Simmons
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- +pal
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/09-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- waves
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- TOPIC: Role call and introductions
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- paulc: done
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- TOPIC: Preview meeting minutes
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- http://www.w3.org/2012/09/25-html-media-minutes.html
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- paulc: didn't see any comments on the minutes
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- TOPIC: Review of action items
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- paulc: none assigned to MSE work
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- TOPIC: TPAC meeting plans
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- paulc: wg meeting thur/fri nov 1/2 in lyon, france
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- ... same place as November 2010
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- ... confirmed we have the same two meeting rooms we had 2 years ago
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- + +1.303.503.aaaa
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- + +1.813.728.aabb
- 15:07:40 [adrianba]
- ... i want to confirm that the people on the call are okay with the general plan
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- ... that MSE and EME experts meet for 90mins to 2 hours at TPAC
- 15:08:10 [adrianba]
- ... having talked to some of the editors about this i want to suggest that we meet on thursday
- 15:08:30 [BobLund]
- zakim, +1.303.503.aaaa is me
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- +BobLund; got it
- 15:08:38 [adrianba]
- ... so that the editors can meet afterwards to discuss how to take actions as a result of the meeting
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- +Aaron_Colwell
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- zakim, +1.813.728.aabb is me
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- +strobe; got it
- 15:09:33 [adrianba]
- ... and the goal would be to have enough discussion at TPAC to make sure we can do a CfC for a FPWD immediately after TPAC
- 15:09:51 [adrianba]
- ... we want to make sure we have the general discussion for both specs in the right direction
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- ... so that the group will be happy to go to FPWD
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- ... this doesn't mean every bug closed
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- ... but it means the scope and direction is well understood
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- ... comments?
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- ... chairs will build a wiki site for unconference meeting requests so my proposal is to request 90-120 mins for each of the media specs
- 15:11:08 [adrianba]
- ... in the past the HTML WG meeting session discusses the ideas at 9am on the first day
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- ... and the group discusses which to talk about
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- q?
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- +ddorwin
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- pal: will there be a conference bridge?
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- paulc: the rooms will have a bridge so we'll see if that is feasible
- 15:12:36 [adrianba]
- ... i want to warn you that there are 44 members and 40+ observers registered and the room is pretty large and even with the phone in the middle of the room it's not clear how audible to the meeting would be
- 15:12:47 [pal]
- thanks
- 15:12:51 [matt]
- zakim, unmute me
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- matt should no longer be muted
- 15:13:14 [adrianba]
- matt: when will we know what the agenda will be for that thursday?
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- paulc: at 9.30am on thursday
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- matt: so we should come in at 9am to show our support of the topics
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- paulc: yes
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- ... this is the model that we've done before and it worked well
- 15:14:11 [adrianba]
- ... we have one coordination request already so sometimes the chairs anchor the coordination requests when they involve another WG
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- ... but the rest of the sessions are determined by unconference
- 15:14:30 [matt]
- zakim, mute me
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- matt should now be muted
- 15:14:38 [adrianba]
- matt: i suspect that some people will be in other meetings too
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- paulc: the agenda will be set at 9am on thursday
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- TOPIC: Baseline documents
- 15:15:27 [adrianba]
- paulc: aaron had produced a draft on oct 1 that resolved 5 bugs and then on oct 8 that resolved 5 more
- 15:15:37 [adrianba]
- ... not planning to go through the list of bugs specifically
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- ... acknowledge that you made progress by cutting the bugs by 1/3
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- ... do you have anything specific to highlight?
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- acolwell: most are clarifications
- 15:16:30 [paulc]
- Latest update news is in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Oct/0024.html
- 15:17:04 [adrianba]
- ... seeking doesn't set things back into open so that you seeking doesn't require you to call endstream
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- -BobLund
- 15:17:38 [adrianba]
- ... you weren't allowed to call append in the ended state - now it will transition to open and allow the append to happen
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- +??P18
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- ... for example if the app determined it had some higher quality data it could append that
- 15:18:08 [matt]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see markw, [Microsoft], matt (muted), Clarke, pal, strobe, Aaron_Colwell, ddorwin, ??P18
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- [Microsoft] has paulc, adrianba
- 15:18:15 [BobLund]
- zakim, ??P18 is me
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- +BobLund; got it
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- paulc: there are currently 19 bugs outstanding
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- ... most listed under agenda 6 and 7
- 15:18:48 [BobLund]
- zakim, mute me
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- BobLund should now be muted
- 15:19:09 [adrianba]
- paulc: i'd like to propose that we handle the next agenda item as follows
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- ... looking at the bugs, some of them i'd characterise as "hard" that we've been carrying for a few weeks
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- ... i haven't seen any significant progress on the bugs in agenda 6
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- ... high level question is how to get ready for TPAC sessions
- 15:20:13 [adrianba]
- ... especially for work items assigned to editors or others in the group
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- q+
- 15:20:51 [adrianba]
- acolwell: a bunch of things in section 6 are new features and have lower priority for me because trying to focus on clarifying existing behaviour before adding new stuff
- 15:21:02 [adrianba]
- ... that's why these haven't made as much progress
- 15:21:18 [adrianba]
- ... have started on remove because i think others can be specified using the remove method
- 15:21:34 [adrianba]
- ... the TS one is one that I need to continue to read the specs
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- paulc: remove is bug 18709
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- ... TS is bug 17094
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- adrianba: i
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- s/i/i'd like to propose that
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- ... the editors meet to triage the current bugs
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- ... and figure out the status and next action of each
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- ... so that in two weeks we can work on the TPAC agenda
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- ... and let people know to come to TPAC prepared to discuss concrete issues
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- ... and make actual progress on the things that have been blocked
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- acolwell: that sounds good to me
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- q?
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- ack adr
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- paulc: i had mail from mark about bug 18962 - allow appending with xhr
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- markw: i wanted to point out that there is some work in webapps
- 15:25:34 [adrianba]
- ... that is about adding a stream response to XHR
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- ... which allows the app to lazily access data received
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- ... so we should discuss if that might be a solution for this bug
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- ... and if so coordinate with webapps on this to make sure it addresses the requirements we have
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- paulc: webapps meet on mon/tue - will you be there?
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- q+
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- markw: i might need to go to Web & TV but will shuttle between them
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- ack adr
- 15:27:19 [matt]
- adrianba: The discussion in Web Apps is partly about the proposal that MS made for stream support for XHR.
- 15:27:45 [matt]
- adrianba: The broader discussion is about whether that's a good solution for this or if there's a need for something else. This was mostly in the context of understanding what support there would be for chunked HTTP.
- 15:28:05 [matt]
- adrianba: I think the current proposal is to add at least the receive part of the MS proposal. That's the last I saw, not sure if anything specific changed in the last few days.
- 15:28:11 [adrianba]
- paulc: mark does that help?
- 15:28:14 [adrianba]
- markw: yes
- 15:28:31 [adrianba]
- paulc: other bug on action 6 and 7 is bug 17002
- 15:28:41 [adrianba]
- ... this is SourceID to .id mapping
- 15:28:53 [adrianba]
- ... i asked about the status in the other media group
- 15:29:00 [adrianba]
- ... aaron followed up with some questions
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- ... and that thread is continuing
- 15:29:21 [paulc]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Oct/0026.html
- 15:30:05 [adrianba]
- paulc: i think i'm going to skip to agenda 9 - any other business
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack adrian
- 15:30:31 [adrianba]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=18666
- 15:30:49 [adrianba]
- adrianba: this is HTMLMediaElement.seekable
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- acolwell: all seekable does is to be from 0 to the duration
- 15:31:58 [adrianba]
- ... so in the case of live, the duration would be positive infinity
- 15:32:12 [adrianba]
- ... wait, let me look at the text
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- ... in a live stream what will happen is if the duration is set to something other that +inf then seekable will be zero to the duration
- 15:33:12 [adrianba]
- ... otherwise it will be zero to the highest time in the source buffer
- 15:33:27 [adrianba]
- ... then the seekable will be set to the highest of what is in the buffer
- 15:33:33 [adrianba]
- ... so you can only seek to what is in the buffer
- 15:34:21 [adrianba]
- adrianba: does that mean that the seekable range will grow as the data is being buffered, say from a URL
- 15:34:25 [adrianba]
- acolwell: yes
- 15:34:42 [adrianba]
- adrianba: that answers my question
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- paulc: are thinking of reopening this?
- 15:35:26 [paulc]
- ack pal
- 15:35:27 [adrianba]
- adrianba: i don't expect to reopen this - solution sounds good
- 15:35:49 [adrianba]
- pal: question on process - if i have some minor questions on the spec - how should i ask them?
- 15:36:15 [adrianba]
- paulc: depending on how many you have, you might consider sending mail to the list with the list of questions
- 15:36:37 [adrianba]
- ... sometimes if the questions are complicated it might make sense to put one per email
- 15:36:45 [adrianba]
- ... then you can put the question in the subject
- 15:36:52 [adrianba]
- ... or you could open a bug
- 15:37:01 [adrianba]
- ... my preference is option 2
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- pal: thank you
- 15:37:30 [adrianba]
- paulc: i think option 2 is the best approach - you might get an answer to the first before you asked the second
- 15:37:39 [adrianba]
- paulc: any other business?
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- TOPIC: Chair and scribe for next meeting
- 15:38:00 [adrianba]
- paulc: i will chair, any volunteers for scribe?
- 15:38:05 [adrianba]
- ... not hearing any one
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- ... major item of discussion for next meeting will be the triage from the editors and preparing for the TPAC meeting
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- TOPIC: Adjournment
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- -BobLund
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- -Clarke
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- -pal
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- paulc: bye everyone
- 15:38:52 [matt]
- zakim, drop me
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -Aaron_Colwell
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- matt is being disconnected
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- -matt
- 15:38:54 [strobe]
- thanks
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- -markw
- 15:39:04 [adrianba]
- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees were markw, paulc, adrianba, matt, Clarke, pal, BobLund, Aaron_Colwell, strobe, ddorwin
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/10/09-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
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