<trackbot> Date: 03 August 2012

<scribe> scribe: Andi_Snow-Weaver

<greggvanderheiden> that's me == gregg

Action Items http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/actions/open

<greggvanderheiden> zakin ??P16 is Gregg

action-22?

<trackbot> ACTION-22 -- Gregg Vanderheiden to work with Pierce, Al, David, Loïc, Alex to draft proposal for 2.4.5 -- due 2012-07-06 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/actions/22

<greggvanderheiden> zaki ??P16 is Gregg

<Pierce> +q

ack ??P4

M376 found that in trying to map the conformance requirements to software and documents, they need a term substitution

<Kiran> Just for info, we say in Mandate 376 that 2.4.5 multiple ways doesn't apply

Issues raised about applicability even to documents due to ambiguity of determining what a "set of documents" is

<Zakim> BBailey, you wanted to say that our guidance should take advantage of "the result of, or a step in, a process"

exception seems to cover most of software

<BBailey> Also, this is one of few SC very directly oriented towards cognitive disabilities.

<Pierce> +q

in WCAG, we found that techniques were necessary but they are out of scope for this task force

techniques for non-web documents and software seem clearly out of scope for W3C work

discussion about documents - not always multiple files - presentation can have embedded audio and video files for example

suggestion that 2.4.5 seems to be very web centric and should just not apply to documents and software

TF scope is very narrow and we can't develop techniques but can we capture some of these examples to be used by others?

<Pierce> +q

collect the examples of problems and anallyze them

<Zakim> Andi, you wanted to give an example of software that might not qualify for the exception

<Zakim> BBailey, you wanted to ask Alex or Piece to suggest software scenario where single way to find location is *not* a step in a process

<alex> please join the 2.4.5 subgroup, bruce

<BBailey> Alex, I would love to be on 2.4.5 subgroup, not sure how I missed that one!

action-25?

<trackbot> ACTION-25 -- Gregg Vanderheiden to work with Andi, Peter, Kiran to draft new proposal for 3.1.1 and 3.1.2 -- due 2012-07-10 -- OPEN

<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/track/actions/25

committee should take a look at proposal #5 for 3.1.2 just to see if there are any major problems before we survey them

suggestion to survey 3.1.1 and 3.1.2 to gather TF input

RESOLUTION: survey 3.1.1 and 3.1.2 for Tuesday

Survey on the term to use instead of "title attribute" in 2.4.2 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/20120803/

WCAG did not accept the idea of tieing 2.4.2 conformance to 4.1.2

WCAG issue was that meeting 4.1.2 might not ensure that the title is available to those who are not using AT (i.e. visible)

<BBailey> That is not how I would have paraphrased WCAG issue.

David notes that this is mostly used by blind users and offers to speak to others in the user community

<Zakim> BBailey, you wanted to say tat Loretta's issue was more about orienthation on mobile phones

<BBailey> I don't read 2.4.2 intent to require or imply that @title be visible.

issue of definition of "user interface context"

blocking progress on most of the remaining SC

web page is the basis for WCAG conformance so we need to have a non-web equivalent for it

suggestion that for software, "software application" should be the scope of conformance

<greggvanderheiden> if software is the unit of conformance then software is the equiv of Web Page -- not sure that that works

<Mike> Current M376 approach, including conformance is at www.mandate376.eu

<shadi> [[Deliverable D1]]

<shadi> http://www.mandate376.eu/doc/EN301549V005.zip

<Zakim> BBailey, you wanted to ask if diff marked version between EU m376 004 and 005?

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Present: Shadi Peter_Korn Janina Gregg_Vanderheiden David_MacDonald Andi_Snow_Weaver Judy BBailey Mike_Pluke MaryJo Kiran_Kaja Pierce_Crowell Alex_Li
Regrets: Loïc_Martínez_Normand Kiran_Kaja
Found Date: 03 Aug 2012
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