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15:01:11 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 185
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15:01:13 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
15:01:13 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:01:14 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
15:01:14 <trackbot> Date: 24 July 2012
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15:01:47 <Clarke> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:47 <Zakim> HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, Clarke
15:01:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see duncanr, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, Clarke, KevinStreeter, pladd, adrianba, suzie, ddorwin, BobLund, glenn, MikeSmith, trackbot
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15:01:58 <glenn> zakim, this is html_wg
15:01:58 <Zakim> ok, glenn; that matches HTML_WG()11:00AM
15:02:13 <Zakim> -markw
15:02:14 <paulc> zakim, list attendees
15:02:15 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been markw, suzie, pladd, +1.415.832.aaaa, [GVoice], [Microsoft]
15:02:18 <adrianba> zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc, adrianba
15:02:18 <Zakim> +paulc, adrianba; got it
15:02:30 <Zakim> +duncanr
15:02:35 <Zakim> +markw
15:02:36 <KevinStreeter> zakim, aaaa is me
15:02:37 <Zakim> +KevinStreeter; got it
15:02:39 <ddorwin> zakim, GVoice is me
15:02:39 <Zakim> +ddorwin; got it
15:02:43 <Zakim> +??P20
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15:03:29 <adrianba> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, suzie, pladd, ??P12, KevinStreeter, ddorwin, [Microsoft], duncanr, markw, ??P20
15:03:31 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc, adrianba
15:03:45 <Zakim> +acolwell
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15:04:00 <glenn> zakim, ??p20 is glenn
15:04:00 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
15:04:02 <Clarke> zakim, ??P2 is me
15:04:02 <Zakim> +Clarke; got it
15:04:54 <paulc> zakim, list attendees
15:04:54 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been markw, suzie, pladd, +1.415.832.aaaa, paulc, adrianba, duncanr, KevinStreeter, ddorwin, acolwell, glenn, Clarke
15:05:23 <KevinStreeter> zakim, aaaa is me
15:05:23 <Zakim> sorry, KevinStreeter, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
15:05:25 <BobLund> Zakim, who is on the phone
15:05:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', BobLund
15:05:33 <adrianba> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:05:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see Clarke, suzie, pladd, ??P12, KevinStreeter, ddorwin, [Microsoft], duncanr, markw, glenn, acolwell
15:05:35 <Zakim> [Microsoft] has paulc, adrianba
15:06:27 <adrianba> zakim, ??P12 is BobLund
15:06:28 <Zakim> +BobLund; got it
15:06:41 <adrianba> ScribeNick: adrianba
15:06:46 <adrianba> Scribe: Adrian Bateman
15:06:50 <adrianba> Chair: Paul Cotton
15:07:06 <adrianba> TOPIC: Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
15:07:09 <adrianba> paulc: Done
15:07:15 <adrianba> TOPIC: Previous meeting minutes
15:07:20 <adrianba> http://www.w3.org/2012/07/10-html-media-minutes.html
15:07:39 <adrianba> paulc: No comments
15:07:45 <adrianba> TOPIC: Review of action items
15:08:00 <adrianba> paulc: One action item to implement proposal 2b
15:08:02 <adrianba> ACTION-1?
15:08:02 <trackbot> ACTION-1 -- David Dorwin to and editors to implement proposal 2b by revising EME specification -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN
15:08:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/1
15:08:14 <adrianba> paulc: status report?
15:08:32 <adrianba> ddorwin: didn't get through all the changes necessary - made progress but not finished
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15:09:11 <adrianba> paulc: we'll look at the due date later in the agenda
15:09:23 <adrianba> TOPIC: Baseline documents and Bugzilla information
15:09:31 <adrianba> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
15:09:45 <adrianba> http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
15:10:30 <adrianba> ddorwin: editor's draft is updated - minor bugs updated and removed issue list since these are now in bugs
15:10:37 <Zakim> +Mark_Vickers
15:10:45 <adrianba> paulc: how do i see old versions?
15:11:18 <adrianba> ddorwin: list at the bottom of the document
15:11:21 <adrianba> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/
15:11:33 <adrianba> ddorwin: This shows the files and the revisions
15:12:24 <adrianba> TOPIC: EME object-oriented API
15:12:33 <adrianba> paulc: two main bugs 16612 and 16613
15:12:39 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16612
15:12:43 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16613
15:13:00 <adrianba> paulc: in the last meeting we decided to adopt proposal 2b
15:13:22 <adrianba> paulc: is the short story that you're not done and that you need more time?
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15:13:51 <adrianba> ddorwin: yes - it's a major effort to update everything because this affects all the algorithms
15:14:12 <adrianba> ... so what I'm proposing is to start making the changes and include a link in the top of the spec to the last stable version
15:14:18 <adrianba> paulc: can you do this in stages?
15:14:33 <adrianba> ddorwin: doing it in stages is one option to allow discussions to continue
15:14:45 <adrianba> ... i don't think i'll be able to do all before the next meeting
15:15:02 <adrianba> ... but we could include the API changes so that we can discuss those specifically
15:15:21 <adrianba> paulc: when will you be away?
15:15:38 <adrianba> ddorwin: next week and through the meeting the following meeting but i'll try to dial-in
15:15:54 <adrianba> s/following meeting/following week/
15:16:08 <adrianba> paulc: so you're trying to do some this week?
15:16:11 <adrianba> ddorwin: correct
15:16:17 <adrianba> paulc: what can you get done this week?
15:16:43 <adrianba> ddorwin: updating section 2 and 2.1 and 3
15:16:52 <adrianba> ... section 4 would be commented out pending the next discussion
15:17:00 <adrianba> ... section 5 probably not done and some of the examples
15:17:23 <adrianba> paulc: there are three editors on the spec - are you doing most of the lifting here?
15:17:28 <adrianba> ddorwin: yes
15:17:46 <adrianba> paulc: is there a chance you and the other editors can work out a plan this week so they can continue while you are gone?
15:18:04 <adrianba> ... sorry to out this out loud but this seems like the obvious question
15:18:15 <adrianba> markw: normally i'd be happy with that but i'm also out
15:18:24 <adrianba> paulc: i guess this is taking longer than originally thought
15:18:52 <adrianba> ... we can do some work this week but that might not give us a document that will allow us to make progress
15:19:04 <adrianba> ... the meeting after the next one i will be away
15:19:12 <adrianba> ... i don't want to wait 6 weeks
15:19:31 <adrianba> ... should we cancel the aug 7 meeting and keep the aug 24
15:19:41 <adrianba> ddorwin: i think that's fine
15:19:44 <adrianba> adrianba: i agree
15:20:08 <adrianba> paulc: so the strawman is to move the action to be aug 17?
15:20:15 <adrianba> ... does that make senses?
15:20:19 <adrianba> ddorwin: yes
15:20:32 <adrianba> ACTION-1 due aug 17
15:20:32 <trackbot> ACTION-1 And editors to implement proposal 2b by revising EME specification due date now aug 17
15:20:53 <adrianba> paulc: this will give people one week to look at the spec so we can pick up from there
15:21:06 <adrianba> ... would be good for the editors to enumerate the changes on the list and ask for feedback
15:21:16 <adrianba> ... and if there are parts that weren't changed then not that
15:21:35 <adrianba> ... don't block on parts that you aren't sure how to change and be transparent on the list about where people should focus their efforts
15:21:53 <adrianba> ... is there a reason to look at agenda 5b on key release?
15:22:11 <adrianba> ddorwin: i think it's fine to continue to discuss this - it's not totally dependent on the O-O change
15:22:21 <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jul/0070.html
15:22:22 <adrianba> TOPIC: EME Key Release
15:22:56 <adrianba> ddorwin: key release is section 4 in the original proposal
15:23:06 <adrianba> ... and i was trying to get more discussion on what it should look like
15:23:16 <adrianba> ... object oriented seemed to solve most of that
15:23:27 <adrianba> ... there seemed to be some issues related to browser use that make this difficult
15:23:36 <adrianba> ... and i wanted to start a discussion on this
15:23:44 <adrianba> ... since it is independent of the API
15:23:55 <adrianba> markw: i think david is quite right in his mail
15:25:19 <paulc> Mark's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jul/0071.html
15:25:32 <mark> we need a synchronous method to fetch key release messages which could be used in onclose methofs
15:25:40 <mark> s/methofs/methods/
15:25:45 <adrianba> paulc: do we just need more people to comment?
15:26:02 <adrianba> ddorwin: yes, especially on the sync API and whether that's a good idea and how it would work
15:26:16 <adrianba> TOPIC: New encrypted media extension bugs
15:26:16 <mark> but generally, these cases are handled by the CDM keeping the key release messages until it gets the ack from the server, even if this means keeping them hours or days
15:26:33 <adrianba> paulc: thought it might be useful to discuss the most recent bug
15:26:36 <adrianba> https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17750
15:27:03 <adrianba> paulc: there hasn't been much progress on bugs
15:27:18 <adrianba> ... but i guess people are waiting for the principle bugs related to O-O
15:27:27 <adrianba> ... is it worth looking at this
15:27:42 <adrianba> ddorwin: this is a bug that escaped being filed previously
15:27:52 <adrianba> ... i added the bug as i removed it from the issues list in the spec
15:28:12 <adrianba> TOPIC: Existing EME bugs
15:28:37 <adrianba> paulc: which of these 5 bugs would it be useful to have some discussion on today?
15:28:47 <adrianba> ... it may be that these just need to be held in our queue
15:29:06 <adrianba> ddorwin: i think 17673 and 17682 might be interesting
15:29:30 <adrianba> paul: lets start with https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673
15:29:40 <adrianba> Define Initialization Data for implementations that choose to support the ISO Base Media File Format
15:29:46 <paulc> "Define Intialization Data"
15:30:17 <adrianba> paulc: is there a proposed solution
15:30:37 <adrianba> ddorwin:  background - we need a common expectation of what initdata is for the different file formats
15:30:54 <adrianba> ... ISO and CENC is probably the most interesting since it is the most complex
15:31:04 <adrianba> ... there are options about which data to send
15:31:17 <adrianba> ... looking for people with more experience with ISO
15:31:17 <mark> q+
15:31:31 <adrianba> paulc: you're looking for someone to take ownership?
15:31:43 <adrianba> ddorwin: yes, adrian or mark should do that
15:31:53 <adrianba> ack next
15:32:09 <paulc> ack mark
15:32:09 <adrianba> markw: i'm happy to take this one
15:32:24 <adrianba> ... i think the initdata will contain all the information (first option)
15:32:38 <adrianba> ... unless the key system is already selected in which case UA could filter them down
15:32:54 <adrianba> paulc: can i give you an action item to propose a resolution by aug 17?
15:33:06 <adrianba> markw: i'll try to do it before i leave
15:33:20 <adrianba> ACTION: markw to propose a resolution to bug 17673
15:33:20 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - markw
15:33:36 <adrianba> ACTION: mark to propose a resolution to bug 17673
15:33:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2 - Propose a resolution to bug 17673 [on Mark Watson - due 2012-07-31].
15:34:13 <adrianba> paulc: next https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17682
15:34:22 <adrianba> Clear Key: Document how keys and key IDs are associated
15:34:56 <adrianba> ddorwin: this relates to addkey with initdata which assumed that initdata was the key id but this doesn't work for ISO CENC
15:35:09 <adrianba> ... we need to figure out how we want to support ClearKey
15:35:25 <adrianba> ... for non-ClearKey there is a license format
15:35:39 <adrianba> ... we need to figure out if we concatenate things or set size limits
15:35:47 <adrianba> ... or maybe define ClearKey in a different way
15:35:59 <adrianba> ... so looking for feedback on how to proceed
15:36:23 <adrianba> ACTION: adrianba to propose resolution to bug 17682
15:36:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-3 - Propose resolution to bug 17682 [on Adrian Bateman - due 2012-07-31].
15:36:47 <adrianba> paulc: are there any other items in this agenda item people want to discuss
15:37:02 <adrianba> ddorwin: item b is the same as c but for WebM and I'll own that one
15:37:23 <adrianba> ACTION: ddorwin to propose a solution for bug 17672
15:37:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Propose a solution for bug 17672 [on David Dorwin - due 2012-07-31].
15:37:31 <adrianba> ACTION-2 due aug 17
15:37:31 <trackbot> ACTION-2 Propose a resolution to bug 17673 due date now aug 17
15:37:35 <adrianba> ACTION-3 due aug 17
15:37:35 <trackbot> ACTION-3 Propose resolution to bug 17682 due date now aug 17
15:37:40 <adrianba> ACTION-4 due aug 17
15:37:40 <trackbot> ACTION-4 Propose a solution for bug 17672 due date now aug 17
15:38:09 <adrianba> paulc: if we look back at item a (17658) which we discussed in the last meeting
15:38:17 <adrianba> ... this item hasn't received much additional discussion
15:38:31 <adrianba> ... propose to carry this forward in the agenda
15:38:40 <adrianba> http://www.w3.org/2012/07/10-html-media-minutes.html#action02
15:38:58 <adrianba> paulc: moving along - there is lots of work for the editors
15:39:03 <adrianba> TOPIC: Other Business
15:39:08 <adrianba> paulc: any other business?
15:39:18 <adrianba> TOPIC: Schedule for future meetings
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15:39:26 <adrianba> paulc: we will cancel the Aug 7 meeting
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15:39:38 <adrianba> ... i will keep up the biweekly schedule
15:40:07 <adrianba> ... i'm unavailable for aug 21 - i will work with the editors and co-chairs and maybe the Team to find someone to stand in for me in that meeting
15:40:17 <adrianba> TOPIC: Adjournment
15:40:26 <adrianba> paulc: adjourn early today - have a bunch of actions
15:40:41 <adrianba> ... we should realise that in July/Aug some things slow down due to vacations
15:40:47 <Zakim> -Clarke
15:40:51 <adrianba> ... thanks to david for all the help on the call today
15:41:00 <Zakim> -Mark_Vickers
15:41:03 <Zakim> -pladd
15:41:04 <Zakim> -glenn
15:41:04 <adrianba> ... we're adjourned
15:41:04 <Zakim> -markw
15:41:05 <Zakim> -acolwell
15:41:05 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
15:41:05 <Zakim> -suzie
15:41:06 <Zakim> -duncanr
15:41:09 <Zakim> -KevinStreeter
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15:41:11 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
15:41:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
15:41:14 <Zakim> -ddorwin
15:41:16 <adrianba> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:47:17 <adrianba> s/ACTION: markw to propose a resolution to bug 17673//
15:47:21 <adrianba> rrsagent, make minutes
15:47:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
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16:05:01 <Zakim> Attendees were markw, suzie, pladd, +1.415.832.aaaa, paulc, adrianba, duncanr, KevinStreeter, ddorwin, acolwell, glenn, Clarke, BobLund, Mark_Vickers
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