IRC log of html-media on 2012-07-24
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-html-media-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs 185
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- Zakim, this will be 63342
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- ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
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- Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 24 July 2012
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- 15:01:47 [Clarke]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, Clarke
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- On IRC I see duncanr, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, Clarke, KevinStreeter, pladd, adrianba, suzie, ddorwin, BobLund, glenn, MikeSmith, trackbot
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- zakim, this is html_wg
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- ok, glenn; that matches HTML_WG()11:00AM
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- -markw
- 15:02:14 [paulc]
- zakim, list attendees
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- As of this point the attendees have been markw, suzie, pladd, +1.415.832.aaaa, [GVoice], [Microsoft]
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- zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc, adrianba
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- +paulc, adrianba; got it
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- +duncanr
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- +markw
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- zakim, aaaa is me
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- +KevinStreeter; got it
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- zakim, GVoice is me
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- +ddorwin; got it
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- +??P20
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- 15:03:29 [adrianba]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:03:29 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P2, suzie, pladd, ??P12, KevinStreeter, ddorwin, [Microsoft], duncanr, markw, ??P20
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- [Microsoft] has paulc, adrianba
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- +acolwell
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- zakim, ??p20 is glenn
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- +glenn; got it
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- zakim, ??P2 is me
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- +Clarke; got it
- 15:04:54 [paulc]
- zakim, list attendees
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- As of this point the attendees have been markw, suzie, pladd, +1.415.832.aaaa, paulc, adrianba, duncanr, KevinStreeter, ddorwin, acolwell, glenn, Clarke
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- zakim, aaaa is me
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- sorry, KevinStreeter, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
- 15:05:25 [BobLund]
- Zakim, who is on the phone
- 15:05:25 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is on the phone', BobLund
- 15:05:33 [adrianba]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:05:33 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Clarke, suzie, pladd, ??P12, KevinStreeter, ddorwin, [Microsoft], duncanr, markw, glenn, acolwell
- 15:05:35 [Zakim]
- [Microsoft] has paulc, adrianba
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- zakim, ??P12 is BobLund
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- +BobLund; got it
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- ScribeNick: adrianba
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- Scribe: Adrian Bateman
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- Chair: Paul Cotton
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- TOPIC: Roll call, introductions and selection of scribe
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- paulc: Done
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- TOPIC: Previous meeting minutes
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- http://www.w3.org/2012/07/10-html-media-minutes.html
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- paulc: No comments
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- TOPIC: Review of action items
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- paulc: One action item to implement proposal 2b
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- ACTION-1?
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- ACTION-1 -- David Dorwin to and editors to implement proposal 2b by revising EME specification -- due 2012-07-17 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/1
- 15:08:14 [adrianba]
- paulc: status report?
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- ddorwin: didn't get through all the changes necessary - made progress but not finished
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- paulc: we'll look at the due date later in the agenda
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- TOPIC: Baseline documents and Bugzilla information
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- http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html
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- http://tinyurl.com/7tfambo
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- ddorwin: editor's draft is updated - minor bugs updated and removed issue list since these are now in bugs
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- +Mark_Vickers
- 15:10:45 [adrianba]
- paulc: how do i see old versions?
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- ddorwin: list at the bottom of the document
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- http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/
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- ddorwin: This shows the files and the revisions
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- TOPIC: EME object-oriented API
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- paulc: two main bugs 16612 and 16613
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16612
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16613
- 15:13:00 [adrianba]
- paulc: in the last meeting we decided to adopt proposal 2b
- 15:13:22 [adrianba]
- paulc: is the short story that you're not done and that you need more time?
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- ddorwin: yes - it's a major effort to update everything because this affects all the algorithms
- 15:14:12 [adrianba]
- ... so what I'm proposing is to start making the changes and include a link in the top of the spec to the last stable version
- 15:14:18 [adrianba]
- paulc: can you do this in stages?
- 15:14:33 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: doing it in stages is one option to allow discussions to continue
- 15:14:45 [adrianba]
- ... i don't think i'll be able to do all before the next meeting
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- ... but we could include the API changes so that we can discuss those specifically
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- paulc: when will you be away?
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- ddorwin: next week and through the meeting the following meeting but i'll try to dial-in
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- s/following meeting/following week/
- 15:16:08 [adrianba]
- paulc: so you're trying to do some this week?
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- ddorwin: correct
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- paulc: what can you get done this week?
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- ddorwin: updating section 2 and 2.1 and 3
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- ... section 4 would be commented out pending the next discussion
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- ... section 5 probably not done and some of the examples
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- paulc: there are three editors on the spec - are you doing most of the lifting here?
- 15:17:28 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: yes
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- paulc: is there a chance you and the other editors can work out a plan this week so they can continue while you are gone?
- 15:18:04 [adrianba]
- ... sorry to out this out loud but this seems like the obvious question
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- markw: normally i'd be happy with that but i'm also out
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- paulc: i guess this is taking longer than originally thought
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- ... we can do some work this week but that might not give us a document that will allow us to make progress
- 15:19:04 [adrianba]
- ... the meeting after the next one i will be away
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- ... i don't want to wait 6 weeks
- 15:19:31 [adrianba]
- ... should we cancel the aug 7 meeting and keep the aug 24
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- ddorwin: i think that's fine
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- adrianba: i agree
- 15:20:08 [adrianba]
- paulc: so the strawman is to move the action to be aug 17?
- 15:20:15 [adrianba]
- ... does that make senses?
- 15:20:19 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: yes
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- ACTION-1 due aug 17
- 15:20:32 [trackbot]
- ACTION-1 And editors to implement proposal 2b by revising EME specification due date now aug 17
- 15:20:53 [adrianba]
- paulc: this will give people one week to look at the spec so we can pick up from there
- 15:21:06 [adrianba]
- ... would be good for the editors to enumerate the changes on the list and ask for feedback
- 15:21:16 [adrianba]
- ... and if there are parts that weren't changed then not that
- 15:21:35 [adrianba]
- ... don't block on parts that you aren't sure how to change and be transparent on the list about where people should focus their efforts
- 15:21:53 [adrianba]
- ... is there a reason to look at agenda 5b on key release?
- 15:22:11 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: i think it's fine to continue to discuss this - it's not totally dependent on the O-O change
- 15:22:21 [paulc]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jul/0070.html
- 15:22:22 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: EME Key Release
- 15:22:56 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: key release is section 4 in the original proposal
- 15:23:06 [adrianba]
- ... and i was trying to get more discussion on what it should look like
- 15:23:16 [adrianba]
- ... object oriented seemed to solve most of that
- 15:23:27 [adrianba]
- ... there seemed to be some issues related to browser use that make this difficult
- 15:23:36 [adrianba]
- ... and i wanted to start a discussion on this
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- ... since it is independent of the API
- 15:23:55 [adrianba]
- markw: i think david is quite right in his mail
- 15:25:19 [paulc]
- Mark's response: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jul/0071.html
- 15:25:32 [mark]
- we need a synchronous method to fetch key release messages which could be used in onclose methofs
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- s/methofs/methods/
- 15:25:45 [adrianba]
- paulc: do we just need more people to comment?
- 15:26:02 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: yes, especially on the sync API and whether that's a good idea and how it would work
- 15:26:16 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: New encrypted media extension bugs
- 15:26:16 [mark]
- but generally, these cases are handled by the CDM keeping the key release messages until it gets the ack from the server, even if this means keeping them hours or days
- 15:26:33 [adrianba]
- paulc: thought it might be useful to discuss the most recent bug
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- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17750
- 15:27:03 [adrianba]
- paulc: there hasn't been much progress on bugs
- 15:27:18 [adrianba]
- ... but i guess people are waiting for the principle bugs related to O-O
- 15:27:27 [adrianba]
- ... is it worth looking at this
- 15:27:42 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: this is a bug that escaped being filed previously
- 15:27:52 [adrianba]
- ... i added the bug as i removed it from the issues list in the spec
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- TOPIC: Existing EME bugs
- 15:28:37 [adrianba]
- paulc: which of these 5 bugs would it be useful to have some discussion on today?
- 15:28:47 [adrianba]
- ... it may be that these just need to be held in our queue
- 15:29:06 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: i think 17673 and 17682 might be interesting
- 15:29:30 [adrianba]
- paul: lets start with https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17673
- 15:29:40 [adrianba]
- Define Initialization Data for implementations that choose to support the ISO Base Media File Format
- 15:29:46 [paulc]
- "Define Intialization Data"
- 15:30:17 [adrianba]
- paulc: is there a proposed solution
- 15:30:37 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: background - we need a common expectation of what initdata is for the different file formats
- 15:30:54 [adrianba]
- ... ISO and CENC is probably the most interesting since it is the most complex
- 15:31:04 [adrianba]
- ... there are options about which data to send
- 15:31:17 [adrianba]
- ... looking for people with more experience with ISO
- 15:31:17 [mark]
- q+
- 15:31:31 [adrianba]
- paulc: you're looking for someone to take ownership?
- 15:31:43 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: yes, adrian or mark should do that
- 15:31:53 [adrianba]
- ack next
- 15:32:09 [paulc]
- ack mark
- 15:32:09 [adrianba]
- markw: i'm happy to take this one
- 15:32:24 [adrianba]
- ... i think the initdata will contain all the information (first option)
- 15:32:38 [adrianba]
- ... unless the key system is already selected in which case UA could filter them down
- 15:32:54 [adrianba]
- paulc: can i give you an action item to propose a resolution by aug 17?
- 15:33:06 [adrianba]
- markw: i'll try to do it before i leave
- 15:33:20 [adrianba]
- ACTION: markw to propose a resolution to bug 17673
- 15:33:20 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - markw
- 15:33:36 [adrianba]
- ACTION: mark to propose a resolution to bug 17673
- 15:33:36 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2 - Propose a resolution to bug 17673 [on Mark Watson - due 2012-07-31].
- 15:34:13 [adrianba]
- paulc: next https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17682
- 15:34:22 [adrianba]
- Clear Key: Document how keys and key IDs are associated
- 15:34:56 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: this relates to addkey with initdata which assumed that initdata was the key id but this doesn't work for ISO CENC
- 15:35:09 [adrianba]
- ... we need to figure out how we want to support ClearKey
- 15:35:25 [adrianba]
- ... for non-ClearKey there is a license format
- 15:35:39 [adrianba]
- ... we need to figure out if we concatenate things or set size limits
- 15:35:47 [adrianba]
- ... or maybe define ClearKey in a different way
- 15:35:59 [adrianba]
- ... so looking for feedback on how to proceed
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- ACTION: adrianba to propose resolution to bug 17682
- 15:36:23 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-3 - Propose resolution to bug 17682 [on Adrian Bateman - due 2012-07-31].
- 15:36:47 [adrianba]
- paulc: are there any other items in this agenda item people want to discuss
- 15:37:02 [adrianba]
- ddorwin: item b is the same as c but for WebM and I'll own that one
- 15:37:23 [adrianba]
- ACTION: ddorwin to propose a solution for bug 17672
- 15:37:23 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-4 - Propose a solution for bug 17672 [on David Dorwin - due 2012-07-31].
- 15:37:31 [adrianba]
- ACTION-2 due aug 17
- 15:37:31 [trackbot]
- ACTION-2 Propose a resolution to bug 17673 due date now aug 17
- 15:37:35 [adrianba]
- ACTION-3 due aug 17
- 15:37:35 [trackbot]
- ACTION-3 Propose resolution to bug 17682 due date now aug 17
- 15:37:40 [adrianba]
- ACTION-4 due aug 17
- 15:37:40 [trackbot]
- ACTION-4 Propose a solution for bug 17672 due date now aug 17
- 15:38:09 [adrianba]
- paulc: if we look back at item a (17658) which we discussed in the last meeting
- 15:38:17 [adrianba]
- ... this item hasn't received much additional discussion
- 15:38:31 [adrianba]
- ... propose to carry this forward in the agenda
- 15:38:40 [adrianba]
- http://www.w3.org/2012/07/10-html-media-minutes.html#action02
- 15:38:58 [adrianba]
- paulc: moving along - there is lots of work for the editors
- 15:39:03 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Other Business
- 15:39:08 [adrianba]
- paulc: any other business?
- 15:39:18 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Schedule for future meetings
- 15:39:21 [Mark_Vickers]
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- 15:39:26 [adrianba]
- paulc: we will cancel the Aug 7 meeting
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- 15:39:38 [adrianba]
- ... i will keep up the biweekly schedule
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- ... i'm unavailable for aug 21 - i will work with the editors and co-chairs and maybe the Team to find someone to stand in for me in that meeting
- 15:40:17 [adrianba]
- TOPIC: Adjournment
- 15:40:26 [adrianba]
- paulc: adjourn early today - have a bunch of actions
- 15:40:41 [adrianba]
- ... we should realise that in July/Aug some things slow down due to vacations
- 15:40:47 [Zakim]
- -Clarke
- 15:40:51 [adrianba]
- ... thanks to david for all the help on the call today
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- -Mark_Vickers
- 15:41:03 [Zakim]
- -pladd
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- -glenn
- 15:41:04 [adrianba]
- ... we're adjourned
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- -markw
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- -acolwell
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -suzie
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- -duncanr
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- -KevinStreeter
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
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- -ddorwin
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- rrsagent, make logs public
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- s/ACTION: markw to propose a resolution to bug 17673//
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/07/24-html-media-minutes.html adrianba
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- Attendees were markw, suzie, pladd, +1.415.832.aaaa, paulc, adrianba, duncanr, KevinStreeter, ddorwin, acolwell, glenn, Clarke, BobLund, Mark_Vickers
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