IRC log of html-techs-tf on 2012-06-25
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/25-html-techs-tf-irc
- 16:08:51 [jamesn]
- zakim, this is HTML-TECHS-TF
- 16:08:51 [Zakim]
- sorry, jamesn, I do not see a conference named 'HTML-TECHS-TF' in progress or scheduled at this time
- 16:09:32 [jamesn]
- zakim, this is 9224
- 16:09:32 [Zakim]
- ok, jamesn; that matches WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM
- 16:09:51 [jamesn]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 16:09:51 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see James_Nurthen, Detlev, Marc_Johlic, ??P4
- 16:10:08 [jamesn]
- zakim, ??P4 is Adam
- 16:10:08 [Zakim]
- +Adam; got it
- 16:10:56 [jamesn]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/htmltfJun182012/results
- 16:11:14 [marcjohlic]
- scribe: marcjohlic
- 16:11:47 [marcjohlic]
- TOPIC: ARIA technique: Using aria-label
- 16:12:43 [marcjohlic]
- LG does not think the examples qualify as non-text content
- 16:12:53 [Joshue108]
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- 16:13:18 [marcjohlic]
- David may not be able to continue updating these - do we want to find someone else to finish these up?
- 16:13:32 [marcjohlic]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
- 16:14:10 [Zakim]
- +??P21
- 16:14:27 [marcjohlic]
- David tied up with the ICT work
- 16:14:28 [Joshue108]
- zakim, ??P21 is Joshue
- 16:14:29 [Zakim]
- +Joshue; got it
- 16:14:52 [jamesn]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/25-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
- 16:16:38 [jamesn]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-label
- 16:17:10 [marcjohlic]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG-TECHS/aria.html
- 16:18:21 [Joshue108]
- Maybe we do need ARIA techs for CAPTHAS and other use cases.
- 16:18:44 [marcjohlic]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/text-equiv-all.html#textdef
- 16:20:02 [Joshue108]
- We are expanding the examples that we have, Detlev has worked on some, also Leonie Watson has created some new aria-labelled technqiues.
- 16:20:30 [Joshue108]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:20:30 [Zakim]
- Joshue should now be muted
- 16:21:22 [marcjohlic]
- DF: Why would anyone want to use aria-label / describedby vs just using @alt ? We should document cases where using ARIA is advantageous
- 16:21:31 [Joshue108]
- +q
- 16:22:07 [Joshue108]
- ack me
- 16:23:19 [marcjohlic]
- JOC: Granular approach where we can outline x,y,z for each SC - or we can create more general techniques
- 16:28:12 [marcjohlic]
- DF: In general as a developer it's can be helpful to see specific techniques for a particular use case
- 16:29:50 [marcjohlic]
- JN: The aria-label techniques are too general right now - not as useful to developers
- 16:30:10 [marcjohlic]
- JOC: Agree - we need clearer / more specific examples
- 16:32:58 [marcjohlic]
- JN: Are we in agreement that these 3 techniques need some re-work
- 16:33:46 [marcjohlic]
- aria-label, aria-describedby, aria-labeledby
- 16:34:12 [Joshue108]
- Great stuff James.
- 16:34:14 [marcjohlic]
- JN: I will take on situations A, B, & C of 1.1.1 for the 3 techniques
- 16:35:18 [marcjohlic]
- JN: ARIA1 takes care of aria-describedby for Situation C of 1.1.1
- 16:36:25 [marcjohlic]
- JN: Is there a need to review the rest of the techniques today?
- 16:36:39 [marcjohlic]
- JOC: No objection to not reviewing - JN will look over feedback
- 16:37:32 [marcjohlic]
- MJ: Are we fixing small typos that we find as we are reviewing (a vs an)
- 16:37:53 [marcjohlic]
- JOC / JN: yes - let the author know
- 16:38:41 [Zakim]
- -Adam
- 16:38:50 [jamesn]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 16:38:50 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see James_Nurthen, Detlev, Marc_Johlic, Joshue
- 16:39:05 [adam]
- got cut off temporarily
- 16:39:09 [Joshue108]
- np
- 16:39:22 [Joshue108]
- We are going to talk about activedescendent..
- 16:39:27 [Joshue108]
- Can you call back in?
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- +??P4
- 16:40:32 [jamesn]
- zakim ??P4 is Adam
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- zakim, ??P4 is Adam
- 16:40:48 [Zakim]
- +Adam; got it
- 16:41:41 [adam]
- im hearing half of what is being said
- 16:42:06 [marcjohlic]
- RESOLUTION: JN will review the 3 techniques that David started and update them with more specific examples and use cases
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- TOPIC: activedescendent
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- -Adam
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- +??P4
- 16:43:36 [marcjohlic]
- zakim, ??P4 is Adam
- 16:43:36 [Zakim]
- +Adam; got it
- 16:44:06 [Joshue108]
- zakim, mute me
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- Joshue should now be muted
- 16:44:12 [Detlev]
- zakim, mute me
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- Detlev should now be muted
- 16:44:18 [jamesn]
- adam - go
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- -Adam
- 16:44:34 [Joshue108]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Joshue should no longer be muted
- 16:44:35 [Detlev]
- ack me
- 16:44:53 [marcjohlic]
- JOC: Adam is having connection issues - we'll wrap up today and revisit this topic next week
- 16:45:02 [jamesn]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:45:02 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/25-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
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- +??P4
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- -??P4
- 16:45:55 [jamesn]
- rrsagent, make log world
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/25-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
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- -Joshue
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- -James_Nurthen
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- -Detlev
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- -Marc_Johlic
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- WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were James_Nurthen, Detlev, Marc_Johlic, Adam, Joshue
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- +??P3
- 16:48:00 [adam]
- is anyone on the call?
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- -??P3
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- WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were
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