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14:58:08 RRSAgent, make logs 185
14:58:10 Zakim, this will be 63342
14:58:10 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:11 Meeting: HTML Media Teleconference
14:58:11 Date: 12 June 2012
14:58:38 RRSAgent, make logs public
14:59:21 zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc and adrianba
14:59:21 sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[Microsoft]'
14:59:37 zakim, who is on the call?
14:59:37 HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
14:59:39 On IRC I see RRSAgent, adrianba, ddorwin, paulc, Zakim, Yang, MikeSmith, trackbot
15:00:15 test
15:00:40 zakim, who is on the call?
15:00:40 HTML_WG()11:00AM has not yet started, paulc
15:00:42 On IRC I see RRSAgent, adrianba, ddorwin, paulc, Zakim, Yang, MikeSmith, trackbot
15:00:46 Zakim, this will be HTML_WG
15:00:46 ok, MikeSmith, I see HTML_WG()11:00AM already started
15:00:55 + +1.760.533.aacc
15:00:57 Zakim, who is on the call?
15:00:57 On the phone I see ??P1, +1.818.560.aaaa, +1.303.503.aabb, [Microsoft], Cecile_Marc, +1.760.533.aacc
15:01:13 zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc and adrianba
15:01:13 +paulc, adrianba; got it
15:01:16 ??P1 is me
15:01:31 Yang, you need to say, "Zakim,, ??P1 is me"
15:01:31 +[GVoice]
15:01:43 + +1.408.393.aadd
15:01:44 zakim, [GVoice] is me
15:01:44 Zakim,??P1 is me
15:01:44 +ddorwin; got it
15:01:44 +Yang; got it
15:01:59 Zakim, call Mike
15:01:59 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:02:00 +Mike
15:02:05 + +1.215.286.aaee
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15:02:38 + +1.858.485.aaff
15:02:46 +Plh
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15:03:22 + +1.206.218.aagg
15:03:35 + +1.408.475.aahh
15:03:57 +[Microsoft.a]
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15:04:07 Zakim, Cecile_Marc is David_Corvoysier
15:04:07 +David_Corvoysier; got it
15:04:12 + +1.415.867.aaii
15:04:24 zakim, aaii is markw
15:04:24 +markw; got it
15:04:51 + +1.613.287.aajj
15:04:54 zakim, acolwell is aag
15:04:54 sorry, acolwell, I do not recognize a party named 'acolwell'
15:05:03 zakim, acolwell is aagg
15:05:03 sorry, acolwell, I do not recognize a party named 'acolwell'
15:05:12 + +1.858.677.aakk
15:05:18 + +1.303.443.aall
15:05:22 zakim, aagg is acolwell
15:05:22 +acolwell; got it
15:05:24 +Mark_Vickers
15:05:49 zakim, aag is acolwell
15:05:49 zakim, aag gis acolwell
15:05:49 sorry, acolwell, I do not recognize a party named 'aag'
15:05:49 zakim, aagg is acolwell
15:05:50 I don't understand 'aag gis acolwell', acolwell
15:05:50 sorry, acolwell, I do not recognize a party named 'aagg'
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15:06:10 Zakim, 1.215.286.aaee is mc = michael chen
15:06:10 I don't understand '1.215.286.aaee is mc = michael chen', mc
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15:06:44 member:Zakim, 1.215.286.aaee is mc
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15:06:52 Zakim, 1.215.286.aaee is mc
15:06:52 sorry, MikeSmith, I do not recognize a party named '1.215.286.aaee'
15:06:59 Zakim, +1.215.286.aaee is mc
15:06:59 +mc; got it
15:07:05 -Plh
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15:07:13 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0047.html
15:07:56 ScribeNick: adrianba
15:08:00 acolwell, I think Zakim maybe already knows you are acolwell
15:08:00 Scribe: Adrian Bateman
15:08:04 Chair: Paul Cotton
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15:09:15 plh: I am going to get started - is that okay?
15:09:20 yes
15:09:24 yes
15:09:38 TOPIC: Roll call, introductions and selection of scriben
15:10:01 paulc: i'm one of the co-chairs of the WG and you should treat me as the faciliator and chair of this meeting
15:10:06 +Philippe
15:10:15 ... don't want to spend a lot of time on introductions
15:10:27 ... we chose this meeting slot through a poll
15:10:49 ... at the f2f meeting in may there was a suggestion that we alternate topics for this slot
15:11:04 ... i arbitrarily chose the oldest proposal for this week
15:11:15 ... i propose media source next week and then alternate
15:11:30 ... we did this because some people were interested in one proposal and not the other
15:11:37 Zakim, list attendees
15:11:37 As of this point the attendees have been +1.818.560.aaaa, +1.303.503.aabb, +1.760.533.aacc, paulc, adrianba, +1.408.393.aadd, ddorwin, Yang, Mike, +1.858.485.aaff, Plh,
15:11:37 ... any comments?
15:11:40 ... +1.206.218.aagg, +1.408.475.aahh, [Microsoft], David_Corvoysier, +1.415.867.aaii, markw, +1.613.287.aajj, +1.858.677.aakk, +1.303.443.aall, acolwell, Mark_Vickers, mc, Philippe
15:11:51 alternating is fine
15:12:01 Q+
15:12:42 ack Petr
15:12:49 Zakim,+1.408.475.aahh is R_Berkoff(Samsung)
15:12:49 +R_Berkoff(Samsung); got it
15:12:52 paulc: the agenda will make it clear which topic is which
15:12:59 q?
15:13:00 petr: as long as the agenda is clear that sounds fine
15:13:13 Zakim, list attendees
15:13:13 As of this point the attendees have been +1.818.560.aaaa, +1.303.503.aabb, +1.760.533.aacc, paulc, adrianba, +1.408.393.aadd, ddorwin, Yang, Mike, +1.858.485.aaff, Plh,
15:13:16 ... +1.206.218.aagg, [Microsoft], David_Corvoysier, +1.415.867.aaii, markw, +1.613.287.aajj, +1.858.677.aakk, +1.303.443.aall, acolwell, Mark_Vickers, mc, Philippe,
15:13:16 ... R_Berkoff(Samsung)
15:13:19 paulc: if we need to give one document more attention than the other we can consider that
15:13:25 duncanr has joined #html-media
15:13:32 ... if anyone thinks we're not making enough progress please contact me or the w3c team
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15:13:39 TOPIC: Administrative itemsn
15:14:03 paulc: because this is a sub-team of the HTML WG, when we set-up the tracker to track actions it can't map to the whole WG
15:14:04 -ddorwin
15:14:18 ... so people who need to be in the tracker need to let MikeSmith know they need to be added
15:14:26 ... i sent a mail about this today
15:14:33 +[GVoice]
15:14:40 See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0062.html
15:14:46 ... Mike responded with information about who was already subscribed including the editors
15:14:57 Q+
15:15:03 ... anyone else who plans to be active and wants to accept action items should let Mike know
15:15:04 ack mark
15:15:19 q+
15:15:23 mark_vickers: perhaps you could describe the action items? editing or non-editing items?
15:15:33 paulc: not expecting to take actions about specific edits
15:15:48 ... i expect actions about starting a discussion or updating bugzilla for example
15:15:57 ... i want to keep editing lightweight
15:16:22 ... if editors want to self-determine some way of dividing work we can have another tracker if needed
15:16:25 q?
15:16:31 ack ac
15:16:37 -[GVoice]
15:16:44 acolwell: what is the difference between tracker and bugzilla?
15:16:44 +[GVoice]
15:16:54 paulc: there's also the email list
15:16:58 zakim, [GVoice] is me
15:16:58 +ddorwin; got it
15:17:15 ... when people want to identify a problem they have two choices: open an email dialogue on the public list and ask "is the following a problem"
15:17:26 ... you might not be convinced you understand the spec and that it's wrong
15:17:52 ... once you're convinced there is a bug, use bugzilla to file a bug against the bug - each spec has a separate bugzilla component
15:18:09 ... the connection between bugzilla and the mail list is the same as the HTML5 spec
15:18:22 ... bugzilla sends email only for new bugs (not for subsequent updates)
15:18:47 ... we did that because specs that have a large number of bugs with lots of updates would flood the mailing list with updates
15:19:15 ... once someone has created the bugzilla entry - you can have a dialogue in the bug or on the mail list - there isn't a fixed rule about the most appropriate place
15:19:30 ... when you proposed detailed text or discussion about A or B then i think that's better in the mailing list
15:19:40 ... some people like bugzilla and others like the mailing list
15:20:07 ... when you see a new bug, you can click on the link and add yourself to the CC list so that you get all the mails with updates
15:20:35 ... one of the reasons we chose this approach is that if you see a new bug (and there was one this morning - here's an example)
15:20:35 new bug: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0061.html
15:21:29 yang: if someone comments in the bug will the reporter receive an email?
15:21:33 paulc: yes
15:21:39 Yang, if you type "q+" when you want to want to ask a question, the chair will see that and respond
15:21:41 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=17470
15:22:10 got it,mike,sorry for disturb...
15:22:19 ... when you create a bugzilla bug you automatically get added to the CC line
15:22:33 paulc: third item is tracker
15:22:51 ... we use this to track issues and action items
15:23:16 ... tracker will look in the email archive for when the issue or action is mentioned
15:23:17 q+
15:23:27 ... i'm not anticipating that we'll need many issues early on
15:23:49 ... i propose that we use the mailing list and bugzilla to drive the meetings and ask the editors to update the specs to reflect consensus
15:23:59 ... i believe in giving the editors leeway to express that consensus
15:24:08 ... and then we can see if we need to open new bugs
15:24:13 ... or if we need some form of escalation
15:24:19 ... for now i'm not too worried about that
15:24:35 ack Yang
15:24:35 ... i want us to work with a sense of consensus
15:24:45 yang: can you give me a URL to the tracker?
15:25:03 Yang, paulc : https://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/
15:25:47 s/Yang, paulc :/ Yang, paulc, /
15:25:58 q?
15:26:00 RRSAgent, make minutes
15:26:00 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/12-html-media-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:26:18 - +1.303.503.aabb
15:26:29 acolwell: the tracker is mostly around the issues and actions related to the call and bugs/mailing list for the specific detail?
15:26:42 +??P9
15:26:43 -Mark_Vickers
15:26:44 paulc: i'm a firm believer in using actions to drive results when people take actions
15:26:57 TOPIC: Baseline documents and Bugzilla information
15:27:24 paulc: in the agenda i identified the starting editor's drafts and outstanding bugs
15:27:24 q+
15:27:47 ... i wanted to get to agenda #4 and david created a list of important bugs to consider
15:27:58 q+
15:28:02 ack susie
15:28:11 suzie: wondering if i can create a new bug through the mailing list?
15:28:41 paulc: there is no way to do this from the mailing list - if you can't use Bugzilla for some reason then one of the editors or me or the team will help
15:29:10 suzie: my previous understanding is that whenever i want to bring up a new topic i need to start from the email and it would be captured in bugzilla?
15:29:42 paulc: you could discuss first on the mailing list but that's not mandatory - you could just use bugzilla and create a bug right away (which will generate a message to the list)
15:29:53 ... people could respond on the list but will probably respond in the bug
15:29:55 q?
15:30:01 ack suzie
15:30:05 ack yang
15:30:14 yang: who decided which bugs will be on the agenda?
15:30:20 s/decided/decides/
15:30:42 paulc: i made the decision in cooperation with the editors for this call
15:31:08 ... you could do that either by replying to the agenda but you could also send mail to me privately asking about priority
15:31:27 ... i will encourage you to do that on the public list but if you feel uncomforable with that please reach out to me
15:31:45 TOPIC: Candidate Encrypted Media Extensions bugs for discussionn
15:32:24 paulc: i think you identified the most important bugs including one that has lots of dependencies
15:32:31 bug 16613
15:32:31 ddorwin: correct
15:32:37 bug 16613?
15:32:40 Bug 16613: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2012Jun/0054.html
15:32:42 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=16613
15:33:00 + +44.303.040.aamm
15:33:19 paulc: i think david and the editors would like feedback on this bug
15:33:44 ddorwin: the general idea (media source also investigating this) - we have a bunch of methods and events on the media element
15:34:04 ... it's suggested that we could hang them on a new object - or represent them as new session
15:34:09 example: http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html#issue-oo-api-design
15:34:16 ... there is an example in the proposal of what this might look like
15:34:24 ... we're looking to get some feedback on this
15:34:37 ... i've listed some advantages and disadvantages
15:34:45 ... are there general questions or comments?
15:34:54 q+
15:35:38 ddorwin: i was unclear of what glenn was suggesting - session id seems to handle this
15:35:50 ... we're open to other options - this is the one we came up with
15:35:50 ack Yang
15:37:21 q+
15:37:34 yang: i reviewed the example interface description for the mediakeymessageevent
15:37:39 why we specify uint8array for message type
15:37:49 ... there is Uint8Array key
15:38:00 ... why did we specifiy that type for the message
15:38:31 ddorwin: the example is using the same approach as the rest of the proposal - we should discuss this separately but briefly this is a binary message
15:38:47 ... this is relatively new but is used in some other specs
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15:39:19 eventinit
15:39:45 yang: why do we have the mediakeyeventinit for every event?
15:40:12 ddorwin: this is also orthogonal
15:41:04 q+
15:41:04 adrianba: if you look at the dom4 spec in webapps, you see events being described in this new way
15:41:23 ack markw
15:41:23 paulc: yang, i suggest you send these general questions to the list
15:41:35 markw: an opinion on making this more object oriented
15:41:35 correcting myself, I think the EventInit was based on the