IRC log of html-techs-tf on 2012-06-11
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 15:33:48 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #html-techs-tf
- 15:33:48 [RRSAgent]
- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/11-html-techs-tf-irc
- 15:33:55 [Joshue]
- zakim, this will be 9224
- 15:33:55 [Zakim]
- ok, Joshue; I see WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM scheduled to start 3 minutes ago
- 15:34:08 [Joshue]
- rrsagent, make log world
- 15:35:27 [Joshue]
- Meeting: HTML Techniques Task Force
- 15:36:09 [Joshue]
- agenda +
- 15:36:14 [Joshue]
- agenda + HTML Techniques Task Force for Jun 11 2012
- 15:36:25 [Joshue]
- agenda + HTML Techniques Task Force for May 7th 2012
- 15:36:37 [Joshue]
- agenda + HTML Techniques Task Force for April 30th 2012
- 15:36:46 [Joshue]
- agenda + HTML Techniques Task Force for April 23rd 2012
- 15:37:08 [Joshue]
- agenda + Dividing up the remaining ARIA techniques http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
- 15:59:07 [jamesn]
- jamesn has joined #html-techs-tf
- 16:00:08 [Joshue]
- np
- 16:00:32 [Zakim]
- WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has now started
- 16:00:39 [Zakim]
- +James_Nurthen
- 16:01:02 [Loretta_]
- Loretta_ has joined #html-techs-tf
- 16:02:24 [jamesn]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 16:02:24 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see James_Nurthen
- 16:02:46 [Loretta]
- Loretta has joined #html-techs-tf
- 16:03:04 [marcjohlic]
- marcjohlic has joined #html-techs-tf
- 16:03:21 [Zakim]
- +Marc_Johlic
- 16:03:30 [Detlev]
- Detlev has joined #html-techs-tf
- 16:03:31 [Zakim]
- +??P14
- 16:03:50 [jamesn]
- 9224 right?
- 16:04:29 [adam]
- adam has joined #html-techs-tf
- 16:04:33 [Zakim]
- +??P4
- 16:04:49 [Joshue]
- zakim, ??P4 is Joshue
- 16:04:49 [Zakim]
- +Joshue; got it
- 16:04:54 [Zakim]
- + +49.404.318.aaaa
- 16:05:05 [jamesn]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 16:05:05 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, ??P14, Joshue, +49.404.318.aaaa
- 16:05:17 [Joshue]
- Chair: Joshue
- 16:05:24 [Detlev]
- Zakim aaa is Detlev
- 16:05:27 [adam]
- i am getting on in a sec
- 16:05:40 [Detlev]
- Zakim, aaaa is Detlev
- 16:05:40 [Zakim]
- +Detlev; got it
- 16:06:48 [Joshue]
- zakim, ??P14 is Loretta
- 16:06:48 [Zakim]
- +Loretta; got it
- 16:07:02 [jamesn]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 16:07:02 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Loretta, Joshue, Detlev
- 16:07:10 [Zakim]
- +??P0
- 16:07:27 [adam]
- zakim, ??P0 is adam_solomon
- 16:07:27 [Zakim]
- +adam_solomon; got it
- 16:08:50 [marcjohlic]
- scribe: marcjohlic
- 16:11:54 [marcjohlic]
- TOPIC: ARIA technique: flowto
- 16:12:14 [marcjohlic]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_aria-flowto
- 16:13:37 [jamesn]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/htmltechs11jun/results
- 16:14:48 [marcjohlic]
- LGR: Wrote up technique in ambiguous way - wasn't sure how tab order would be affected
- 16:15:09 [marcjohlic]
- JN: If you're not running an AT, then flowto will be ignored - tab order will be the same
- 16:17:45 [jamesn]
- zakim, who is noisy?
- 16:17:57 [Zakim]
- jamesn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Loretta (9%), Detlev (10%)
- 16:18:04 [marcjohlic]
- LGR: Impression was that if using screenreader and you came to a flowto that could change the reading order
- 16:19:52 [marcjohlic]
- LGR: Sounds like this technique won't apply to focus order, but need to add something to the Test Procedures to ensure that focus order makes sense
- 16:20:24 [marcjohlic]
- LGR: Doesn't appear that there is widespread AT support for flowto
- 16:20:37 [marcjohlic]
- agreement by JN and JOC
- 16:21:24 [marcjohlic]
- JOC: Suggest adding a "non-HTML5" example
- 16:21:46 [marcjohlic]
- JN: Agree - these sections could easily be changed to divs or p
- 16:22:40 [marcjohlic]
- LGR: Quick scan showed that only support currently is in JAWS 12 - and even that is buggy. Technique will be Advisory due to limited support.
- 16:23:15 [marcjohlic]
- RESOLUTION: Leaving technique open for further comments and for LGR to revise and resubmit
- 16:26:01 [marcjohlic]
- JOC: Have updated the HTML5 techniques for nav, section, and aside - will send out new surveys for them.
- 16:27:49 [marcjohlic]
- JOC: Do we want to start including deadlines on these surveys?
- 16:28:24 [marcjohlic]
- JN: Yes, otherwise we end up with too many open surveys -
- 16:28:26 [marcjohlic]
- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/myQuestionnaires
- 16:28:28 [jamesn]
- www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/myQuestionnaires
- 16:29:23 [marcjohlic]
- JN: The myQuestionaires link gives you a view of open surveys waiting for your response. One caution is that you may run into surveys that have not been finalized yet.
- 16:29:44 [marcjohlic]
- JOC: Been defaulting surveys to 2 months - should we change that?
- 16:30:24 [marcjohlic]
- JN: Should close the day of the meeting, and if we need to extend it we can. If we schedule it to close on Monday it is midnight at the end of that day.
- 16:30:48 [jamesn]
- (sorry) 1-0
- 16:32:23 [marcjohlic]
- LGR: Considering tackling 4.1.2 next
- 16:32:44 [marcjohlic]
- JN: First step may be determining what techniques are needed for 4.1.2
- 16:33:19 [marcjohlic]
- LGR: Will be an iterative process
- 16:35:49 [marcjohlic]
- LGR: Expect that 4.1.2 will have less scripting than 1.3.1 - looking for anyone that would like to contribute that is not already working on other techniques
- 16:36:44 [marcjohlic]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA
- 16:44:12 [marcjohlic]
- Detlev will take over 3.3.2 Labels or Instructions
- 16:45:54 [marcjohlic]
- JN: Not sure there is an ARIA technique for everything. Techniques listed with no ARIA technique referenced probably do not have an ARIA technique (but can be looked at)
- 16:46:52 [marcjohlic]
- LGR: Not necessary that you use every criteria to meet a Success Criteria
- 16:47:55 [marcjohlic]
- JN: With a couple exceptions ARIA is meant primarily for use with AT
- 16:51:14 [Loretta]
- JN: In ARIA developer guides like OpenAjax, note which WCAG success criteria are being addressed by an example,
- 16:51:27 [Loretta]
- JN: We shouldn't own those documents.
- 16:51:37 [Loretta]
- LGR: But we coud reference them from our documents.
- 16:51:50 [Zakim]
- -adam_solomon
- 16:55:50 [marcjohlic]
- MJ: Will talk to Jon G on OAA working group about mapping ARIA examples / techniques back to WCAG success criteria so that they can easily be referenced
- 16:56:55 [marcjohlic]
- JOC: Perhaps we should add a note / flag to techniques that we don't believe there is an ARIA technique
- 16:57:09 [marcjohlic]
- JN: Maybe add a bullet stating "no ARIA technique"
- 16:57:47 [marcjohlic]
- LGR: Adding information about what's completed (whether because techniques are written or not required) will be helpful
- 16:57:54 [jamesn]
- ACTION: james to take a pass through http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/ARIA to note where no techniques are specified
- 16:59:44 [jamesn]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:59:44 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/11-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn
- 17:00:07 [Zakim]
- -Joshue
- 17:00:09 [Zakim]
- -Detlev
- 17:00:09 [Zakim]
- -James_Nurthen
- 17:00:10 [Zakim]
- -Marc_Johlic
- 17:00:12 [Zakim]
- -Loretta
- 17:00:13 [Zakim]
- WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has ended
- 17:00:13 [Zakim]
- Attendees were James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Joshue, +49.404.318.aaaa, Detlev, Loretta, adam_solomon
- 17:07:07 [jongund]
- jongund has joined #html-techs-tf