IRC log of wcag2ict on 2012-05-25

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Meeting: WCAG2ICT Task Force Teleconference

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Date: 25 May 2012

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14:01:00 [Zakim]

+Shadi

14:01:02 [MichaelC]

zakim, aaaa is Al_Hoffman

14:01:02 [Zakim]

+Al_Hoffman; got it

14:01:04 [shadi]

zakim, mute me

14:01:04 [Zakim]

Shadi should now be muted

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14:01:23 [MichaelC]

zakim, ??P14 is Gregg_Vanderheiden

14:01:23 [Zakim]

+Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it

14:01:29 [Zakim]

+Andrew_Kirkpatrick

14:02:04 [Zakim]

+??P18

14:02:06 [Loicmn]

I can accept Loic ;-)

14:02:11 [MichaelC]

zakim, ??P0 is Loic_Martinez

14:02:11 [Zakim]

+Loic_Martinez; got it

14:02:28 [MichaelC]

zakim, ??P18 Mike_Pluke

14:02:28 [Zakim]

I don't understand '??P18 Mike_Pluke', MichaelC

14:02:29 [Zakim]

+[Microsoft]

14:02:41 [MichaelC]

zakim, Microsoft is Alex_Li

14:02:41 [Zakim]

+Alex_Li; got it

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14:03:36 [Zakim]

+[Oracle]

14:03:40 [Zakim]

+??P22

14:03:45 [korn]

zakim, +Oracle is Peter_Korn

14:03:45 [Zakim]

sorry, korn, I do not recognize a party named '+Oracle'

14:03:52 [korn]

zakim, Oracle is Peter_Korn

14:03:52 [Zakim]

+Peter_Korn; got it

14:04:13 [MichaelC]

zakim, ??P22 is Janina_Sajka

14:04:13 [Zakim]

+Janina_Sajka; got it

14:04:51 [Zakim]

+Bruce_Bailey

14:05:04 [shadi]

scribe: shadi

14:05:07 [MichaelC]

zakim, Loic is Loïc_Martínez

14:05:07 [Zakim]

+Loïc_Martínez; got it

14:05:14 [shadi]

agenda?

14:05:23 [shadi]

Topic: Participation Update

14:05:27 [Judy]

zakim, who's on the phone

14:05:27 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'who's on the phone', Judy

14:05:31 [shadi]

JB: participation still in flux

14:05:42 [Andi]

agenda+ Document milestones for coming months

14:05:51 [Andi]

agenda+ Survey Results and Discussion

14:05:54 [Judy]

zakim, who's on the phone?

14:05:55 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Al_Hoffman, Andi_Snow_Weaver, David_MacDonald, Loïc_Martínez, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Judy, Cooper, Shadi (muted), Andrew_Kirkpatrick, ??P18,

14:05:55 [Zakim]

... Alex_Li, Peter_Korn, Janina_Sajka, Bruce_Bailey

14:06:00 [Andi]

agenda+ Confirm next meeting time; action items; request next scribe;

14:06:32 [shadi]

...still people joining

14:06:38 [MichaelC]

-> TF participation http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG2ICT-TF/#participation

14:06:39 [Andi]

Participants List: http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=55145&public=1

14:06:44 [shadi]

...may be good to have a brief role call

14:06:52 [shadi]

...some already declining

14:07:11 [shadi]

...others in the process of signing up

14:07:49 [shadi]

ASN: people on the list?

14:08:06 [shadi]

JB: meanwhile everyone should be on the list

14:08:11 [Judy]

s/some already declining/some declining as a colleague is joining instead/

14:08:17 [shadi]

...some additional still not, will send you these names

14:08:37 [MichaelC]

zakim, ??P18 is Mike_Pluke

14:08:37 [Zakim]

+Mike_Pluke; got it

14:09:12 [shadi]

...maybe extend the survey for new partiicpants

14:09:21 [shadi]

ASN: can split a survey?

14:09:27 [shadi]

JB: don't think so

14:09:35 [shadi]

...need to figure it out

14:10:15 [Judy]

s/don't think so/don't think so without losing data/

14:10:18 [shadi]

[Loic introduces himself]

14:10:33 [shadi]

AK: Kiran Kaja from Adobe will be participating too

14:10:47 [Judy]

s/too/in my place

14:11:07 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

14:11:07 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Document milestones for coming months" taken up [from Andi]

14:11:32 [shadi]

ASN: looking at the calendar, we only have ~11 meetings until the next draft

14:11:44 [shadi]

...need to close proposals rapidly

14:12:18 [shadi]

...looked at the Success Criteria and selected some of the less controversial ones

14:12:28 [shadi]

...to test the process and how the survey works

14:12:46 [shadi]

...suggest people send alternate proposals where they disagree

14:13:03 [shadi]

...to speed up the process

14:13:22 [shadi]

MP: need to get fundamental issues agreed upon early on

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...then move through the rest fairly rapidly

14:13:46 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

14:13:46 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Survey Results and Discussion" taken up [from Andi]

14:14:29 [Judy]

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/MAY252012/results

14:15:01 [shadi]

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/MAY252012/results#xq5

14:15:56 [shadi]

LMN: unsure. maybe overly restrictive though may need to be that restrictive

14:16:11 [shadi]

...going to be tricky to separate some issues

14:16:20 [shadi]

...maybe go with what is proposed for now

14:17:19 [shadi]

GV: breaking documents off software helps people who just generate documents

14:17:36 [shadi]

...people have been wrestling with this for years

14:17:59 [shadi]

...pages JavaScript may have no real content

14:18:07 [Zakim]

-Bruce_Bailey

14:18:16 [shadi]

...how to apply these things to documents that did not have programtic content

14:18:43 [Alex]

q+

14:18:43 [shadi]

...maybe need to consider what the intent of the AccessBoard and M376

14:19:02 [shadi]

ack a

14:19:03 [korn]

q+

14:19:24 [mapluke]

q+

14:19:29 [shadi]

ack me

14:19:45 [shadi]

zakim, mute me

14:19:45 [Zakim]

Shadi should now be muted

14:20:01 [Zakim]

+Bruce_Bailey

14:20:05 [shadi]

AL: don't know how to differentiate simple vs complex documents

14:20:13 [shadi]

...document with macros?

14:20:25 [shadi]

...what are we getting at with this differentiation?

14:20:35 [greggvanderheiden]

q+

14:20:36 [shadi]

...what is it useful for?

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14:21:22 [shadi]

ASN: why the division in 2010 ANPRM?

14:21:34 [shadi]

BB: were trying to separate by audience

14:21:42 [shadi]

...may not have been clear enough

14:22:08 [shadi]

...start with a simple document and may end up adding media, buttons, and such

14:22:14 [shadi]

ack korn

14:22:32 [shadi]

PK: as the survey and ANPRM responses show, it is a very fuzzy line

14:22:47 [shadi]

...draw a line in pencil

14:23:04 [shadi]

...keep it in the back of our minds during development as we go through the SCs

14:23:18 [shadi]

...then come back to see if this separation is helpful

14:23:35 [korn]

q-

14:23:42 [shadi]

ack mapluke

14:23:54 [shadi]

MP: cautious about boundaries

14:24:09 [shadi]

...every line we draw will potentially get people asking

14:24:36 [shadi]

...web content is somewhat also electronic content

14:24:48 [Loicmn]

q+

14:25:15 [shadi]

...should be careful about creating new concepts that people will be debating for ever

14:25:20 [shadi]

...and get confused about

14:25:24 [shadi]

ack greggvanderheiden

14:25:51 [shadi]

GV: sounds like two suggestions on the table right now

14:26:04 [shadi]

...(1) draw a pencil line for now and revisit later

14:26:16 [shadi]

...(2) not draw a line at all and just go from there

14:26:39 [shadi]

...since using WCAG for all three areas, should not be an issue anymore

14:26:51 [Andi]

q+ Al_Hoffman

14:27:05 [shadi]

...underlying requirements still WCAG

14:27:38 [janina]

+1 to a division that distinguishes "simple" docs from docs with "programatic" content

14:28:14 [shadi]

[scribe missed some of the comments]

14:28:24 [janina]

"simple" could be published ina traditional p-book

14:28:29 [shadi]

ack loicmn

14:28:53 [shadi]

LMN: in our M376 work, electronic documents were quite clear

14:29:11 [shadi]

...but with software things started becoming more complicated

14:29:27 [shadi]

...wondered about when Success Criteria do not apply

14:29:50 [shadi]

...like the concept of "documents with programtic content"

14:30:06 [korn]

q+

14:30:28 [shadi]

...tricky issue, maybe keep separation for now and assess later if we need to differentiate

14:30:51 [mapluke]

q+

14:30:56 [greggvanderheiden]

q+

14:31:00 [shadi]

...my concern is that document authors may be scared off and think it does not apply to them if it is too focused on software

14:31:16 [shadi]

ack Al_hoffman

14:31:26 [shadi]

AH: think saying very similar things

14:31:45 [korn]

q-

14:31:49 [shadi]

...generally if you have more than text in your documents then there is more you will need to consider

14:32:01 [shadi]

ack mapluke

14:32:19 [David]

q+

14:32:22 [shadi]

MP: do need a boundary, not sure if electronic document or something esle

14:32:37 [shadi]

...probably more subtle issue

14:32:50 [shadi]

...may not need separation for software

14:32:54 [shadi]

ack greggvanderheiden

14:33:07 [shadi]

GV: think we are closing on something

14:33:15 [shadi]

...document may be too narrow of a word

14:33:24 [shadi]

...maybe not try to define it upfront

14:33:37 [shadi]

...but provide guidance for people doing simpler things

14:34:02 [shadi]

...some phrasing "if you are doing this kind of stuff"

14:34:11 [shadi]

...may be more clear at the end

14:34:23 [shadi]

...may not be a clear definition though

14:34:33 [shadi]

...maybe too early

14:34:39 [shadi]

ack david

14:35:01 [shadi]

DmD: HTML5 people discussing similar stuff

14:35:20 [shadi]

...need to distinguish from "content"

14:35:31 [Zakim]

-Cooper

14:36:14 [shadi]

ASN: think summary is that keep rough boundaries for now but come back later to revisit

14:36:20 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

14:36:20 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Confirm next meeting time; action items; request next scribe;" taken up [from Andi]

14:37:35 [shadi]

s/ASN: think summary is that keep rough boundaries for now but come back later to revisit/ASN: think summary is that treat things that do not have programtic content, everything esle is software

14:37:55 [shadi]

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/MAY252012/results#xq7

14:38:47 [Loicmn]

+q

14:38:57 [shadi]

ASN: think is pretty confusing

14:39:07 [shadi]

...definition of user agent

14:39:13 [shadi]

ack loicmn

14:39:40 [shadi]

LMN: in M376 we tried to generalize the terms used in WCAG

14:40:02 [shadi]

...difficult because may have windows, boxes, pre-defined actions, etc

14:40:37 [shadi]

...took the term "interaction context" from usability

14:40:53 [shadi]

...were not able t come up with better wording

14:41:17 [shadi]

...issue of circular definition in WCAG

14:41:41 [shadi]

...content is rendered by user agent and user agent renders content

14:42:22 [shadi]

...also the role of user agent in the web context is typically taken by the platform services in non-web context

14:42:31 [greggvanderheiden]

q+

14:42:57 [shadi]

ASN: example of platform services?

14:43:19 [shadi]

LMN: browser is the platform for web context

14:43:46 [shadi]

...query it to fetch alternate text for image

14:43:52 [korn]

q+

14:43:58 [shadi]

...similar concept for software

14:44:06 [shadi]

ack greggvanderheiden

14:44:16 [shadi]

GV: useful to think of it that way

14:44:28 [shadi]

...web content is typically played in some way

14:45:08 [shadi]

...layers of platforms: operating system, browser, library, ...

14:45:28 [shadi]

...trying to sort out how that helps us here

14:45:40 [mapluke]

q+

14:45:40 [shadi]

...next underlying platform

14:45:46 [shadi]

ack korn

14:46:06 [shadi]

PK: issue with "interaction context" is that it breaks down in some situations

14:46:15 [greggvanderheiden]

q+

14:46:49 [shadi]

...issue of the utility of this term

14:46:50 [korn]

q-

14:46:57 [shadi]

ack mapluke

14:47:07 [shadi]

MP: can see some of the issues

14:47:24 [shadi]

...circularity of definition of user agent

14:47:31 [shadi]

...need to avoid doing that

14:47:48 [Alex]

q+

14:47:52 [shadi]

...need to understand boundary of user agent

14:48:06 [shadi]

...would be good to break that down somehow

14:48:10 [korn]

q+

14:48:14 [shadi]

ack greggvanderheiden

14:48:42 [shadi]

GV: something is circular when you cannot ever resolve it and keep going round in circles

14:48:56 [shadi]

...user agent is a critical part of the definition

14:49:10 [shadi]

...cannot change the definition but can explain it in this context

14:49:56 [shadi]

...perhaps way forward is to think about "interaction context" as a concept

14:50:08 [shadi]

...and see if we can explain it for each Success Criterion

14:50:19 [shadi]

...to see where it breaks down

14:50:54 [mapluke]

q+

14:51:35 [shadi]

...to avoid defining a term for each Success Criterion

14:51:40 [shadi]

ack alex

14:51:54 [shadi]

AL: circular definition is a huge problem

14:52:03 [greggvanderheiden]

q+

14:52:10 [shadi]

...had this discussion before

14:52:46 [shadi]

...should look at each Success Criterion and see how it applies in each case

14:52:56 [shadi]

... so that we may not need to define a new term

14:53:17 [shadi]

...basically have either piece of document or piece of software

14:53:20 [shadi]

ack korn

14:53:38 [shadi]

PK: in web usually it is content plus user agent

14:54:08 [shadi]

...maybe not useful to define processor as user agent that plays software

14:54:26 [korn]

q-

14:54:42 [shadi]

...agree to following the Success Criteria and see what holds up and what falls appart

14:54:52 [shadi]

...think interaction context will fall apart

14:54:57 [shadi]

ack mapluke

14:55:11 [shadi]

MP: agree with the circular definition issue

14:55:30 [shadi]

...in M376 adopted the term to keep simple

14:55:39 [shadi]

...otherwise created holes

14:55:44 [shadi]

ack greggvanderheiden

14:56:02 [shadi]

GV: have advantage that WCAG didn't have

14:56:15 [shadi]

...could not talk about the broader ICT

14:56:26 [shadi]

...here we can talk about software and documents

14:56:38 [shadi]

...really no line between them

14:57:05 [shadi]

...documents so loaded up with programtic content

14:57:12 [shadi]

...except plain text documents

14:57:42 [shadi]

...let's walk through the Success Criteria

14:57:54 [shadi]

...not sure if we will come up with a simple solution

14:58:31 [shadi]

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/MAY252012/results#xq6

14:58:48 [shadi]

ASN: next item was to check on people's interest in contributing

14:59:03 [shadi]

...Loic provided a nice list, Peter can work on anything

14:59:11 [shadi]

...David provided some suggestions

14:59:26 [shadi]

...have survey on all the 1.2 Success Criteria

14:59:26 [korn]

q+

14:59:34 [shadi]

...could be our survey for Tuesday

14:59:37 [shadi]

ack korn

14:59:51 [shadi]

PK: in favor of surveys that are ahead of what we get to

14:59:56 [greggvanderheiden]

q+

15:00:03 [shadi]

ASN: 1.2 Success Criteria ok?

15:00:04 [korn]

q-

15:00:19 [shadi]

PK: yes. not sure how contentious would be but would get us ahead

15:00:30 [shadi]

DmD: looking at the low hanging fruit

15:00:47 [shadi]

PK: good to see what the challenges are without consuming too much time

15:00:53 [shadi]

ack greggvanderheiden

15:01:41 [shadi]

GV: made experience in WCAG WG when people provide proposals ahead of time

15:02:16 [shadi]

...then discuss these in the meetings

15:02:26 [shadi]

...people could add additional suggestions

15:02:46 [shadi]

...would be either resolved or sent back for refinement

15:03:03 [shadi]

...also allowed people who missed calls to contribute

15:03:08 [Mary_Jo]

q+

15:03:10 [shadi]

...however, in this case please be very clear

15:03:30 [shadi]

...as we otherwise spend a lot of time trying to work out what the person's comments meant

15:04:11 [shadi]

...choices were always "accept as-is", "accept with the following suggestions", or "do not accpet for these reasons"

15:04:24 [shadi]

...could be useful to adopt this format here

15:04:30 [mapluke]

q+

15:04:47 [shadi]

ASN: next survey will have these kinds of choices on them

15:05:00 [shadi]

...links will open into separate windows too

15:05:10 [shadi]

ack Mary_Jo

15:05:18 [korn]

q+

15:05:23 [korn]

q-

15:05:33 [shadi]

MJ: try not to hold back contentious items for too long

15:05:38 [shadi]

ack mapluke

15:05:49 [shadi]

MP: agree with pre-prepared proposals

15:05:49 [greggvanderheiden]

q+

15:06:06 [shadi]

...Loic has some of the points that M376 looked at

15:06:35 [shadi]

ASN: Loic, can you start working on some of the SCs you noted interest for?

15:06:47 [shadi]

LMN: draft applicability notes?

15:07:05 [shadi]

...if so, send them to the Google Site or to the editors?

15:07:11 [shadi]

ack greggvanderheiden

15:07:36 [shadi]

GV: survey should not be the first place we provide information

15:07:48 [shadi]

...people should add their comments to the Google Docs

15:07:57 [shadi]

...also feel free to add proposals

15:08:09 [Alex]

q+

15:08:10 [shadi]

...can agree to them or add alternate proposals

15:08:24 [shadi]

...better to put a proposal than only a critique

15:08:40 [shadi]

...everyone on this group should be able to edit the page

15:08:59 [shadi]

...but only editors edit above the marked line

15:09:13 [shadi]

...as this will have the consensed text from the group

15:09:23 [shadi]

...also don't edit people's text

15:09:44 [shadi]

ASN: was not able to edit

15:10:00 [shadi]

...a gadget appears and the text disappears

15:10:22 [shadi]

GV: click on the controls then you can go in and edit it

15:10:46 [shadi]

...maybe will put that text into the editable area

15:10:46 [Andi]

q+

15:11:36 [shadi]

GV: some people wanted to associate their Google accounts with these documents rather than other addresses

15:11:40 [Zakim]

-Mary_Jo_Mueller

15:11:48 [shadi]

...let me know these addresses and I will do that for you

15:12:38 [shadi]

...everyone should be able to edit the full page

15:12:40 [Zakim]

+Mary_Jo_Mueller

15:12:59 [Loicmn]

q+

15:13:13 [shadi]

...can also subscribe to the site, which will notify you everytime something changes

15:13:22 [shadi]

...be sure to set a filter first, lots of emails

15:13:28 [shadi]

ack alex

15:13:48 [shadi]

AL: have very different experience depending on the computer i use

15:13:59 [shadi]

...browser and security settings issue

15:14:13 [Andi]

q-

15:14:16 [shadi]

...please move off Google Sites ASAP

15:14:28 [shadi]

GV: tested with many browsers

15:14:36 [shadi]

....please let me know the exact issues

15:15:07 [shadi]

...will have an issue regardless what tool we ise

15:15:12 [shadi]

s/ise/use

15:15:21 [shadi]

AL: not sure what the issue is

15:15:37 [shadi]

...maybe because did not want to disclose some information to Google

15:15:59 [shadi]

ack loicmn

15:16:16 [shadi]

LMN: thanks for the explanations, some things some to be working better already

15:16:41 [shadi]

...accept the action to produce some proposals but what is the procedure and timelines?

15:17:04 [shadi]

...send notification to the facilitators, Andi and Mike?

15:17:18 [shadi]

ASN: to the public mailing list for everyone to see

15:17:37 [shadi]

LMN: will have some stuff ready by Tuesday afternoon

15:17:47 [shadi]

JB: Monday afternoon?

15:17:50 [shadi]

LMN: okay

15:18:22 [shadi]

ASN: good to have by Tuesday afternoon to send for following week

15:18:32 [Zakim]

-Al_Hoffman

15:18:36 [Judy]

s/for following week/for following meeting/

15:19:02 [shadi]

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/MAY252012/results#xq9

15:19:35 [shadi]

ASN: seems that text was perceived to imply that SC applies to hardware, which is not the case

15:19:48 [shadi]

GV: issue with my own text

15:19:57 [korn]

q+

15:20:14 [shadi]

...meant documents that decribe hardware

15:20:25 [shadi]

...not the hardware controls themsevles

15:21:03 [shadi]

[Gregg reads out the proposed text]

15:21:48 [Andi]

q+

15:22:41 [shadi]

ack korn

15:22:57 [shadi]

PK: given the clarifications that Gregg provided

15:23:06 [korn]

q-

15:23:15 [shadi]

...maybe need to bring back to the group for rediscussion later on

15:23:19 [shadi]

ack andi

15:23:36 [shadi]

ASN: possibly the wording as-is now seems misleading

15:24:03 [shadi]

...what is the rationale about the category "ICT in general"?

15:24:11 [shadi]

GV: comes up in several areas

15:24:53 [shadi]

...was relying on the text further up in the document that sets the scope

15:25:15 [shadi]

...will go back and look at this, then bring it back to the group

15:25:55 [shadi]

ASN: will need to re-survey amendments to things that we already surveyed

15:26:09 [shadi]

GV: will clearly mark pages to which we have consensus

15:27:01 [shadi]

https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/55145/MAY252012/results#xq10

15:27:21 [shadi]

ASN: can we get unanimous consensus on this?

15:27:28 [shadi]

...any objections?

15:27:48 [shadi]

RESOLUTION: proposal for 1.4.1 accepted

15:27:50 [korn]

q+

15:28:13 [AWK]

10am Tuesdays works for Adobe

15:28:14 [korn]

q-

15:28:21 [shadi]

agenda?

15:28:33 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 3

15:28:33 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Confirm next meeting time; action items; request next scribe;" taken up [from Andi]

15:28:49 [shadi]

ASN: Judy, any news on Tuesday conflicts?

15:29:01 [shadi]

JB: nothing new yet, but some conflicts

15:29:12 [shadi]

ASN: will send out new survey

15:29:20 [shadi]

...not sure this morning though

15:29:23 [janina]

Can we extend time on today's survey?

15:29:36 [shadi]

JB: next meetigns are Tuesday and Friday

15:29:36 [janina]

Thanks!

15:29:49 [Zakim]

-Andrew_Kirkpatrick

15:29:50 [Judy]

s/but some conflicts/though a few conflicts/

15:30:25 [janina]

Absolutely!

15:30:38 [janina]

I'm on linphonec

15:31:12 [Zakim]

-Peter_Korn

15:31:14 [Zakim]

-Mary_Jo_Mueller

15:31:14 [Zakim]

-Bruce_Bailey

15:31:15 [Zakim]

-Andi_Snow_Weaver

15:31:15 [Zakim]

-Judy

15:31:16 [Zakim]

-Shadi

15:31:19 [Zakim]

-David_MacDonald

15:31:21 [Zakim]

-Loïc_Martínez

15:31:22 [Zakim]

-Janina_Sajka

15:31:26 [janina]

janina has left #wcag2ict

15:31:26 [Zakim]

-Gregg_Vanderheiden

15:32:14 [Zakim]

-Mike_Pluke

15:32:19 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

15:32:19 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Alex_Li

15:32:27 [shadi]

zakim, drop a

15:32:29 [Zakim]

Alex_Li is being disconnected

15:32:30 [Zakim]

WAI_(WCAG2ICT)10:00AM has ended

15:32:30 [Zakim]

Attendees were +1.540.373.aaaa, Andi_Snow_Weaver, David_MacDonald, Mary_Jo_Mueller, Judy, Cooper, Shadi, Al_Hoffman, Gregg_Vanderheiden, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Loic_Martinez, Alex_Li,

15:32:30 [Zakim]

... Peter_Korn, Janina_Sajka, Bruce_Bailey, Loïc_Martínez, Mike_Pluke

15:32:35 [shadi]

trackbot, end meeting

15:32:35 [trackbot]

Zakim, list attendees

15:32:35 [Zakim]

sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

15:32:43 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

15:32:43 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/25-wcag2ict-minutes.html trackbot

15:32:44 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, bye

15:32:44 [RRSAgent]

I see no action items