IRC log of forms on 2012-05-23

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14:49:13 [Steven]

trackbot, start telcon

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Zakim, this will be IA_XForms

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ok, trackbot; I see IA_XForms()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes

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Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 23 May 2012

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be IA_XForms

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ok, trackbot; I see IA_XForms()11:00AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes

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Meeting: Forms Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 23 May 2012

14:49:37 [Steven_]

Chair: Steven

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Regrets: Philip

14:49:59 [Steven_]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/23-forms-minutes.html Steven_

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IA_XForms()11:00AM has now started

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+??P16

15:02:44 [Steven]

zakim, who is on the call?

15:02:44 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ??P16

15:02:45 [nvdbleek]

zakim, code?

15:02:48 [Zakim]

the conference code is 93676 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), nvdbleek

15:02:51 [Steven_]

zakim, who is on the cll?

15:02:51 [Steven_]

zakim, who is on the call?

15:02:54 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, Steven_.

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On the phone I see ??P16

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+ +1.323.425.aaaa

15:03:21 [Steven]

zakim, I am ??P16

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+Steven; got it

15:03:32 [nvdbleek]

zakim, who is here?

15:03:40 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Steven, +1.323.425.aaaa

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On IRC I see ebruchez, alain, Zakim, RRSAgent, Steven_, Steven, nvdbleek, trackbot

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zakim, I am +1.323.425.aaaa

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+nvdbleek; got it

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+??P20

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Zakim, I am ??P20

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+alain; got it

15:06:19 [Steven_]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/23-forms-minutes.html Steven_

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+ +1.650.919.aabb

15:06:45 [ebruchez]

zakim, +1.650.919.aabb is ebruchez

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+ebruchez; got it

15:07:16 [Zakim]

+John_Boyer

15:08:31 [Steven]

http://www.linkedin.com/groups/I-am-looking-XForm-Training-1230557.S.117230993?qid=39c7517f-18d4-465c-a086-8fff52d99d9a&goback=%2Egmp_1230557&_mSplash=1

15:09:20 [Steven]

http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=68510554&authType=name&authToken=6jGA&goback=%2Egmp_1230557%2Egde_1230557_member_117230993&trk=NUS_DISC_Q-nduc_cmtr&_mSplash=1

15:10:51 [Steven]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012May/0022

15:11:01 [Steven]

Steven has changed the topic to: #forms Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012May/0022 (Steven)

15:11:27 [Steven]

Scribe: Erik

15:11:37 [Steven]

scribenick: ebruchez

15:12:03 [Steven]

Tpoic: FPWD

15:12:12 [Steven]

Topic: FPWD

15:13:06 [ebruchez]

Nick: created a diff spec, don't have diff for XPath module yet.

15:13:18 [ebruchez]

Steven: It's new so we might not need a diff.

15:13:52 [nvdbleek]

diff spec https://www.w3.org/2007/10/htmldiff?doc1=https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/WD-xforms20base-20120615/&doc2=https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/WD-xforms20-20120615/#Append_Element_Copy.3Dxforms-base-tech i

15:13:54 [ebruchez]

John: Some content was in the spec already. OTOH it's XForms 2.

15:14:19 [ebruchez]

Steven: If it's not too hard we can do a diff, otherwise not.

15:15:15 [nvdbleek]

https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/WD-xforms20-20120615/

15:15:37 [Steven]

https://www.w3.org/2007/10/htmldiff?doc1=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FMarkUp%2FForms%2FGroup%2FDrafts%2FWD-xforms20base-20120615%2F&doc2=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FMarkUp%2FForms%2FGroup%2FDrafts%2FWD-xforms20-20120615%2F#Append_Element_Copy.3Dxforms-base-tech

15:15:48 [ebruchez]

Nick: There is a new publication date.

15:16:15 [ebruchez]

Steven: Anything we should be specifically looking at?

15:16:42 [ebruchez]

Nick: Diff version is a good start.

15:18:28 [ebruchez]

John: Leigh sent feedback re. context attribute a few weeks ago.

15:19:06 [nvdbleek]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2012Apr/0050.html

15:19:21 [Steven]

Topic: Context everywhere

15:20:47 [ebruchez]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2012Apr/0047.html

15:22:18 [nvdbleek]

https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/WD-xforms20-20120615/#Binding_Attributes

15:22:30 [ebruchez]

Erik: I replied on the community list.

15:23:16 [ebruchez]

John: The answer is "yes, and what makes you think it might not be the case"?

15:26:04 [nvdbleek]

https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/WD-xforms20-20120615/#The_rebuild_Element

15:27:29 [ebruchez]

Nick: We need to modify the spec to clarify some places.

15:27:37 [ebruchez]

Erik: Good point re. the rebuild action: here meaning of model is different.

15:27:57 [ebruchez]

Steven: Reason why header doesn't use common attributes?

15:28:06 [nvdbleek]

https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/WD-xforms20-20120615/#The_header_Element

15:29:27 [ebruchez]

John. Yes. Checking.

15:29:39 [ebruchez]

Erik: model attribute is an issue.

15:29:44 [ebruchez]

John: bind too, could reference other model by id.

15:31:25 [ebruchez]

Nick: Does bind on input automatically switches model?

15:31:27 [ebruchez]

John: Yes.

15:32:00 [ebruchez]

John: We could add bind and say if its not in the model then binding exception.

15:32:18 [ebruchez]

Steven: Would agree with that.

15:32:49 [ebruchez]

John: So way to fix this is to allow common attributes but to restrict what model/bind can refer to.

15:34:54 [Steven_]

PROPOSED RESOLVED: allow model and bind on header; binding to another model than the one it is in is not allowed

15:35:48 [John_Boyer]

PROPOSED RESOLUTION: In header elem, list binding attrs in common attributes, then remove ref and nodeset from special attributes, then add spec wording to produce binding exceptions if model or bind refer to another model

15:36:21 [ebruchez]

That's in 7.8

15:36:25 [John_Boyer]

this implicitly fixes the absence of context attr

15:37:49 [ebruchez]

RESOLUTION: In header elem, list binding attrs in common attributes, then remove ref and nodeset from special attributes, then add spec wording to produce binding exceptions if model or bind refer to another model

15:37:56 [John_Boyer]

RESOLUTION: In header elem, list binding attrs in common attributes, then remove ref and nodeset from special attributes, then add spec wording to produce binding exceptions if model or bind refer to another model

15:38:10 [Steven]

RRSAGENT, MAKE MINUTES

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/23-forms-minutes.html Steven

15:38:38 [nvdbleek]

https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Group/Drafts/WD-xforms20-20120615/#The_bind_Element

15:39:39 [ebruchez]

ACTION: Nick to update section 7.8 "In header elem, list binding attrs in common attributes, then remove ref and nodeset from special attributes, then add spec wording to produce binding exceptions if model or bind refer to another model"

15:39:39 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-1901 - Update section 7.8 "In header elem, list binding attrs in common attributes, then remove ref and nodeset from special attributes, then add spec wording to produce binding exceptions if model or bind refer to another model" [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2012-05-30].

15:39:45 [John_Boyer]

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_bind_Element

15:41:40 [ebruchez]

John: xf:bind should also be handled similarly.

15:41:54 [John_Boyer]

<bind ref="c"><bind context=".." calculate="a+b"/></bind>

15:41:56 [ebruchez]

John: It's useful when you want to allow ".."

15:43:42 [John_Boyer]

<bind ref="c"><bind calculate="../a + ../b"/></bind>

15:46:01 [ebruchez]

Erik: Ok I forgot about this.

15:46:18 [ebruchez]

Steven: So same resolution as for bind element.

15:46:37 [John_Boyer]

Proposed: in bind element, move binding attrs into common attributes and remove ref/nodeset from special, then add binding exceptions if model or bind attr appear, then add examples above

15:46:47 [ebruchez]

RESOLUTION: in bind elem, list binding attrs in common attributes, then remove ref and nodeset from special attributes, then add spec wording to produce binding exceptions if model or bind refer to another model

15:47:14 [ebruchez]

ACTION: Nick to update section 3.2.3 based on resolution "in bind elem, list binding attrs in common attributes, then remove ref and nodeset from special attributes, then add spec wording to produce binding exceptions if model or bind refer to another model"

15:47:14 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-1902 - Update section 3.2.3 based on resolution "in bind elem, list binding attrs in common attributes, then remove ref and nodeset from special attributes, then add spec wording to produce binding exceptions if model or bind refer to another model" [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2012-05-30].

15:47:35 [ebruchez]

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_rebuild_Element

15:49:43 [ebruchez]

Erik: Sorry was looking at dispatch already.

15:49:46 [John_Boyer]

http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/XForms_2.0#attrs-action-common

15:50:23 [ebruchez]

John: Action commons can all have if/while/iterate. context attribute should override.

15:50:31 [ebruchez]

Steven: Which means

15:52:04 [ebruchez]

John: Even before we talk about AVTs we have that use case.

15:52:41 [ebruchez]

Nick: Two groups in schema will specify the context attribute. Is that a problem?

15:53:06 [ebruchez]

John: I don't think that's a problem.

15:53:12 [ebruchez]

Steven: Me neither.

15:53:29 [John_Boyer]

action common has if and while, and so it needs context

15:53:29 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - common

15:54:12 [John_Boyer]

The "action common attributes" has if and while, so it needs context attr, but some actions also have binding attributes which has context. We think having it twice is not a problem

15:55:06 [John_Boyer]

Need context on the action element itself.

15:55:22 [ebruchez]

Steven: Then context should be on any element that has AVTs.

15:55:31 [ebruchez]

John: I think it will be on every element then.

15:56:16 [Steven]

<p class="{colour}" context="...">

15:56:27 [John_Boyer]

xf:context, but yes

15:57:10 [ebruchez]

Steven: So it's everywhere.

15:57:32 [ebruchez]

John: So we want to move it from 3.3.3 to 3.3.1.

15:59:47 [ebruchez]

RESOLUTION: Add context attribute to the common attributes.

16:00:10 [ebruchez]

ACTION: Nick to move the context attribute to 3.3.1 Common Attributes.

16:00:10 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-1903 - Move the context attribute to 3.3.1 Common Attributes. [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2012-05-30].

16:00:57 [ebruchez]

RESOLUTION: Any XForms element must carry the common attributes.

16:01:17 [nvdbleek]

Common Attributes: None

16:01:24 [nvdbleek]

Common Attributes: Common Attributes

16:02:59 [ebruchez]

ACTION: Nick to update the spec to replace "Common Attributes: None" with "Common Attributes: Common Attributes".

16:02:59 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-1904 - Update the spec to replace "Common Attributes: None" with "Common Attributes: Common Attributes". [on Nick Van Den Bleeken - due 2012-05-30].

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-Steven

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-alain

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-nvdbleek

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-John_Boyer

16:03:49 [Steven]

zakim, who is on the call?

16:04:11 [Steven_]

zakim is slow

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-ebruchez

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Attendees were +1.323.425.aaaa, Steven, nvdbleek, alain, ebruchez, John_Boyer

16:04:34 [Steven_]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/23-forms-minutes.html Steven_

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apparently IA_XForms()11:00AM has ended, Steven

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