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15:08:30 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:08:30 <trackbot> Date: 22 May 2012
15:08:37 <ivan> Chair: Ashok
15:09:48 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012May/0117.html
15:09:50 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent:
15:09:50 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand '', mhausenblas.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:09:59 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:09:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:10:05 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:11:23 <mhausenblas> scribenick: mhausenblas 
15:32:02 <mhausenblas> scribenick: ivan
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15:58:23 <Ashok> Sure, I'm happy to chair
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15:58:47 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
15:58:54 <Zakim> +cygri
15:59:01 <mhausenblas> Zakim, I am cygri
15:59:01 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas, I now associate you with cygri
15:59:07 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
15:59:28 <Zakim> +dmcneil
15:59:35 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
15:59:35 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
15:59:37 <Zakim> +Ivan
16:00:22 <Zakim> +??P7
16:00:54 <ivan> zakim, ??P7 is Juan
16:00:54 <Zakim> +Juan; got it
16:00:54 <boris> boris has joined #rdb2rdf
16:01:21 <boris> it was me
16:01:31 <ivan> zakim, Juan is boris
16:01:31 <Zakim> +boris; got it
16:01:36 <boris> zakim, who's here
16:01:36 <Zakim> boris, you need to end that query with '?'
16:01:39 <boris> zakim, who's here?
16:01:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see cygri, Ashok_Malhotra, dmcneil, Ivan, boris
16:01:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see boris, dmcneil, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, mhausenblas, LeeF, betehess, cygri, trackbot, iv_an_ru__, ericP
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16:01:44 <Ashok> present: Michael, Ivan, David, Richard, Boris
16:01:47 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with me
16:01:47 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
16:02:13 <Ashok> present+: Ashok
16:02:36 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:02:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:02:54 <Zakim> +Souri
16:03:00 <Zakim> +juansequeda
16:03:22 <ivan> topic: approve minutes
16:03:38 <Ashok>  PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/05/15-RDB2RDF-minutes.html 
16:03:40 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaaa
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16:03:45 <mhausenblas> Michael: I wasn't present but looks good ;)
16:03:51 <ivan> Ashok: any objections?
16:03:54 <ivan> … carried once
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16:03:58 <ivan> … carried twice...
16:04:10 <ivan> RESOLVED:  Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/05/15-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
16:04:15 <ivan> Topic: remaining issue
16:04:35 <ivan> Ashok: last week the wg agreed that we are not to add any functionality to r2rml
16:04:49 <ivan> … but rather add wording telling the differences
16:04:57 <ivan> … richard sent out some wording
16:05:04 <ivan> … there was fairly good agreement on it
16:05:17 <ivan> … so question: are we agreeable on richard's wording?
16:05:28 <Ashok> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012May/0110.html 
16:05:49 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is seema
16:05:49 <Zakim> +seema; got it
16:06:01 <Ashok> present+: Seema, Souri
16:06:16 <ivan> ashok: is that the correct email, richard?
16:06:23 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/diffs/default-mapping.html
16:06:41 <ivan> cygri: ^ these are the changes on DM, as edited by eric
16:06:57 <ivan> Ashok: have people been able to read it?
16:07:04 <ivan> … i got a number of +1-s on email
16:07:09 <Souri> +1
16:07:14 <ivan> … if people want we can go through them again
16:07:16 <Zakim> +EricP
16:07:26 <Zakim> + +2714aabb
16:07:37 <ivan> zakim, aabb is marcello
16:07:37 <Zakim> +marcello; got it
16:08:05 <ivan> ashok: the question I asked: are we ready to approve richard's wording?
16:08:07 <ivan> … or people want to go through it again
16:08:13 <ivan> ericP: I think we done it, I am fine
16:08:26 <ivan> Ashok: I got a +1 from Juan, Marcello, and a number issues
16:09:07 <ivan> PROPOSED: to accept Richard's wording on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012May/0110.html and thereby close the issue on cardinality
16:09:11 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/79
16:09:26 <ivan> PROPOSED: to accept Richard's wording on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012May/0110.html and thereby close the issue on cardinality, and thereby closing issue-79
16:09:26 <Ashok> s/issues/of others/
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16:09:53 <ivan> +1
16:09:57 <ivan> RESOLVED: to accept Richard's wording on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012May/0110.html and thereby close the issue on cardinality, and thereby closing issue-79
16:10:36 <Souri> :-)
16:10:44 <ivan> Ashok: we have to figure out the process questions
16:11:04 <ivan> Ashok: richard, you have actually prepared a document?
16:11:20 <ivan> cygri: the editor's document is the one we have just approved
16:11:34 <ivan> … we have the wiki page describing the changes, I have to add that one, too
16:11:41 <ivan> … otherwise it is complete
16:11:51 <ivan> Ashok: eric, juan, what about the dm side?
16:12:01 <ivan> … eric you sent out a mail last night?
16:12:15 <ivan> ericP: that one adopted the wording
16:12:41 <ivan> … the second commit I changed the value and attribute separator tags from hyphens and dots to equal and semicolumns
16:12:53 <ivan> … however that change brings us back to last call
16:13:17 <ivan> ashok: that one, and the change from base64 and hex encoding
16:13:18 <mhausenblas> q+ to talk about next steps
16:13:26 <cygri> q-
16:13:33 <mhausenblas> Zakim, I am mhausenblas
16:13:33 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I do not see a party named 'mhausenblas'
16:13:43 <mhausenblas> Zakim, I am cygri
16:13:43 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas, I now associate you with cygri
16:13:44 <ivan> Ashok: the question is whether we will have the final document?
16:13:52 <mhausenblas> q+ to talk about next steps
16:14:03 <cygri> q-
16:14:09 <ivan> ericP: if we decide to that latest stuff, I would like juan and marcello to review the rule section, but I believe it is there
16:14:31 <ivan> … I may have done some mistake with the global search and replace
16:14:39 <juansequeda> ericP, can you send a link to the latest changes
16:14:50 <ivan> Ashok: juan and marcello, could you review this in the next couple of days
16:14:58 <ivan> Marcello, juan: yes
16:15:21 <ivan> Ashok: we could therefore have the final document in the next few days
16:15:53 <ivan> Ashok: shall we agree on Friday the 25th?
16:15:57 <mhausenblas> Michael: concerning the road ahead - R2RML can transition to PR and if we go for a direct LC-PR transition we can get them out at the same time ...
16:16:09 <ivan> mhausenblas: from our charter until the end of june
16:17:16 <ericP> q?
16:17:23 <cygri> q+
16:17:25 <ericP> q+ to say it does change implementations
16:17:31 <mhausenblas> q?
16:17:54 <Ashok> Ivan:  The changes in R2RML introduce a new notion ... so it's borderline if we need a LC for R2RML
16:18:14 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
16:18:16 <Ashok> ack next
16:18:17 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to say it does change implementations
16:18:39 <ericP> q-
16:18:42 <ivan> cygri: I agree to that: it makes a lot of sense, the current changes in r2rml is a borderline, it makes sense to do a 2nd lc with r2rml, too
16:18:46 <mhausenblas> Michael: I second that, let's go into 2nd LC with both R2RML and DM
16:19:26 <Ashok> +1 to Michael
16:19:41 <mhausenblas> Michael: And we can then go directly to PR from 2nd LC
16:20:13 <ivan> ericP: when you have all your implementations ready, it is polite to go through a CR period, but we can note in the LC that we plan to go to PR directly
16:20:26 <ivan> … and we have to do the implementation report
16:20:56 <ivan> Ashok: I thought we can do a shorter last call?
16:21:06 <ivan> ericP: may be it is 3 weeks
16:21:12 <mhausenblas> Michael: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr
16:21:12 <ivan> … but, do we think it is realistic?
16:21:49 <Ashok> Michael:  LC should be 3 weeks or longer
16:22:01 <ivan> ericP: will be able to have an implementation report in 3 weeks?
16:22:10 <ivan> Ashok: what do we have to do differently?
16:22:22 <ivan> … .we have to change the encoding 
16:22:34 <ivan> ericP: we have to rewrite the tests
16:22:36 <boris> +1 to ericP
16:22:45 <ivan> … but I do not know how many people have been running all the tests
16:22:52 <ivan> … e.g. the ones with the country characters
16:22:58 <ivan> … or the multiple non-unique rows
16:23:03 <Ashok> s/country/Kanji/
16:24:06 <ivan> Ashok: if we get the documents on the 25th, 
16:24:17 <ivan> ivan: we can then publish next week Tuesday
16:24:41 <ivan> Ashok: if we publish next tuesday, 29th, then we got 3 weeks, that is the 19th of June
16:24:57 <ivan> … for the LC period
16:26:42 <ivan> mhausenblas: we should have a formal proposal for 2nd last call
16:27:24 <ivan> PROPOSAL: R2RML and DM should be published as a 2nd last call on Tuesday, 29th of May, with a LC period of 3 weeks, i.e., until the 19th of June
16:27:40 <mhausenblas> +1
16:27:42 <ivan> +1
16:27:51 <boris> +1
16:28:10 <cygri> +1
16:28:11 <ericP> +1
16:28:12 <juansequeda> +1
16:28:16 <Marcelo> +1
16:28:16 <seema> +1
16:28:17 <cygri> +1.5 actually
16:28:17 <Souri> +1
16:28:33 <ivan> RESOLVED: R2RML and DM should be published as a 2nd last call on Tuesday, 29th of May, with a LC period of 3 weeks, i.e., until the 19th of June
16:29:12 <ivan> Ashok: I would like to get an idea who will implement, to get the formal reports
16:29:20 <cygri> q+
16:29:23 <ivan> … from eric, juan?
16:29:28 <boris> q+
16:29:37 <cygri> q+ to say we should have R2RML
16:29:55 <mhausenblas> q?
16:30:02 <ivan> david: I do not expect we will have time to complete the implementation
16:30:08 <ivan> … for R2RML
16:30:33 <ivan> Souri: we are working, but legally we cannot say things
16:30:41 <mhausenblas> q?
16:30:51 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
16:30:51 <Zakim> cygri, you wanted to say we should have R2RML
16:31:04 <ivan> cygri: i think by this date we should have r2rml complete
16:31:25 <ivan> … and the direct mapping with the exception with the blank node issue i expect to have that done, too
16:31:38 <mhausenblas> q?
16:31:40 <ivan> Ashok: eric, will you have both of them, or only the dm?
16:31:47 <mhausenblas> ack boris 
16:32:06 <ivan> boris: same as richard, we can have the r2rml implementation by mid-end June
16:32:09 <ivan> … only r2rml
16:32:40 <ivan> cygri: the dm we will have to pass except for the bnode issue
16:32:45 <mhausenblas> q?
16:33:00 <Ashok> Ashok:  Boris, Richard will have R2R implemented
16:33:17 <ivan> s/R2R/R2RML/
16:33:22 <mhausenblas> Michael: looking at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations makes me believe that we have one more for R2RML - Nuno's impl
16:33:28 <ivan> ericP: I will have dm over three databases
16:33:33 <Ashok> Eric will have DM implemented
16:33:58 <ivan> juansequeda: we have it ready for r2rml and dm
16:34:09 <ivan> Ashok: we should have enough then
16:34:14 <ivan> … excellent!
16:34:34 <ivan> mhausenblas: I would like to start on implementation report
16:34:39 <boris> q+
16:34:41 <ivan> … where are we on the earl stuff, etc
16:34:47 <mhausenblas> q?
16:35:05 <ivan> boris: the whole test case and the report I have still review the test cases document
16:35:08 <ivan> … with the last chagnes
16:35:21 <ivan> … then we already have the setup for earl report
16:35:36 <ivan> … the last thing is to generate an html page from the earl report
16:35:51 <ivan> mhausenblas: maybe it is worth to do a dry round even if it is not complete
16:36:02 <ivan> … just to be able to plug in another earl document in
16:36:19 <ivan> boris: we can start right now with earl reports we have now
16:36:28 <ivan> Ashok: do you have the test cases ready
16:36:33 <ivan> boris: by Monday
16:36:46 <ivan> ack boris 
16:36:51 <cygri> q+
16:36:52 <ivan> mhausenblas: we should be set by now
16:37:06 <ivan> Ashok: charter and timing?
16:37:38 <Zakim> -juansequeda
16:37:50 <Zakim> + +1.512.484.aacc
16:37:59 <juansequeda> zakim, aacc is me
16:37:59 <Zakim> +juansequeda; got it
16:38:05 <ivan> mhausenblas: nothing, in terms of charter we are until june
16:38:43 <Ashok> s/until/chartered until/
16:39:10 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/
16:39:20 <ivan> mhausenblas: I was wrong, the charter is until end of september!
16:40:11 <ivan> cygri: i have a question, looking over the r2rml editors draft
16:40:22 <ivan> … we have a link to the uc document and the test cases document
16:40:30 <ivan> … what is going to happen there
16:40:39 <ivan> … the uc document is june 2010
16:40:52 <ivan> … is that just essentially stay like that (as a draft) or not
16:41:04 <ivan> … the test cases is labeled as an editor's draft in the wg web space
16:41:08 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/
16:41:22 <ivan> q+
16:41:26 <ivan> ack cygri 
16:43:11 <mhausenblas> q?
16:44:17 <Ashok> ack next
16:44:29 <Zakim> -EricP
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16:45:21 <ivan> Ashok: we have to think about a 1.1 version
16:45:28 <ivan> … whether we want that or not
16:45:50 <ivan> cygri: the links are as they are in the r2rml
16:46:40 <ivan> Ashok: we are to have a telco next week, just to make sure that the document gets published
16:46:48 <ivan> … starting the last call, etc
16:47:47 <ivan> Ashok: let us keep on the schedule, if things are published then we can cancel the meeting
16:48:10 <ivan> meeting ajourned
16:48:18 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minute
16:48:18 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', mhausenblas.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:48:20 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:48:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:48:33 <Ashok> rrsagent make logs public
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16:48:51 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
16:48:51 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:48:51 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been cygri, Ashok_Malhotra, dmcneil, Ivan, boris, Souri, juansequeda, +1.603.897.aaaa, seema, EricP, +2714aabb, marcello, +1.512.484.aacc
16:48:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:48:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-RDB2RDF-minutes.html trackbot
16:49:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:49:00 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
16:49:02 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:49:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas