IRC log of RDB2RDF on 2012-05-22

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ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 52 minutes
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Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 22 May 2012
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Chair: Ashok
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012May/0117.html
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RRSAgent:
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I'm logging. I don't understand '', mhausenblas. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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scribenick: mhausenblas
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scribenick: ivan
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Sure, I'm happy to chair
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SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
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+cygri
15:59:01 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, I am cygri
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ok, mhausenblas, I now associate you with cygri
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+Ashok_Malhotra
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+dmcneil
15:59:35 [ivan]
zakim, dial ivan-voip
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ok, ivan; the call is being made
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+Ivan
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+??P7
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zakim, ??P7 is Juan
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+Juan; got it
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it was me
16:01:31 [ivan]
zakim, Juan is boris
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+boris; got it
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zakim, who's here
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boris, you need to end that query with '?'
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see cygri, Ashok_Malhotra, dmcneil, Ivan, boris
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On IRC I see boris, dmcneil, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, mhausenblas, LeeF, betehess, cygri, trackbot, iv_an_ru__, ericP
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present: Michael, Ivan, David, Richard, Boris
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Zakim, cygri is with me
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+cygri; got it
16:02:13 [Ashok]
present+: Ashok
16:02:36 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
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+Souri
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+juansequeda
16:03:22 [ivan]
topic: approve minutes
16:03:38 [Ashok]
PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/05/15-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
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+ +1.603.897.aaaa
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Michael: I wasn't present but looks good ;)
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Ashok: any objections?
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… carried once
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… carried twice...
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RESOLVED: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2012/05/15-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
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Topic: remaining issue
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Ashok: last week the wg agreed that we are not to add any functionality to r2rml
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… but rather add wording telling the differences
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… richard sent out some wording
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… there was fairly good agreement on it
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… so question: are we agreeable on richard's wording?
16:05:28 [Ashok]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012May/0110.html
16:05:49 [ivan]
zakim, aaaa is seema
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+seema; got it
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present+: Seema, Souri
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ashok: is that the correct email, richard?
16:06:23 [cygri]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/diffs/default-mapping.html
16:06:41 [ivan]
cygri: ^ these are the changes on DM, as edited by eric
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Ashok: have people been able to read it?
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… i got a number of +1-s on email
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+1
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… if people want we can go through them again
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+EricP
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+ +2714aabb
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zakim, aabb is marcello
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+marcello; got it
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ashok: the question I asked: are we ready to approve richard's wording?
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… or people want to go through it again
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ericP: I think we done it, I am fine
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Ashok: I got a +1 from Juan, Marcello, and a number issues
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PROPOSED: to accept Richard's wording on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012May/0110.html and thereby close the issue on cardinality
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/79
16:09:26 [ivan]
PROPOSED: to accept Richard's wording on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012May/0110.html and thereby close the issue on cardinality, and thereby closing issue-79
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s/issues/of others/
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+1
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RESOLVED: to accept Richard's wording on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2012May/0110.html and thereby close the issue on cardinality, and thereby closing issue-79
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:-)
16:10:44 [ivan]
Ashok: we have to figure out the process questions
16:11:04 [ivan]
Ashok: richard, you have actually prepared a document?
16:11:20 [ivan]
cygri: the editor's document is the one we have just approved
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… we have the wiki page describing the changes, I have to add that one, too
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… otherwise it is complete
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Ashok: eric, juan, what about the dm side?
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… eric you sent out a mail last night?
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ericP: that one adopted the wording
16:12:41 [ivan]
… the second commit I changed the value and attribute separator tags from hyphens and dots to equal and semicolumns
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… however that change brings us back to last call
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ashok: that one, and the change from base64 and hex encoding
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q+ to talk about next steps
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q-
16:13:33 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, I am mhausenblas
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sorry, mhausenblas, I do not see a party named 'mhausenblas'
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Zakim, I am cygri
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ok, mhausenblas, I now associate you with cygri
16:13:44 [ivan]
Ashok: the question is whether we will have the final document?
16:13:52 [mhausenblas]
q+ to talk about next steps
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q-
16:14:09 [ivan]
ericP: if we decide to that latest stuff, I would like juan and marcello to review the rule section, but I believe it is there
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… I may have done some mistake with the global search and replace
16:14:39 [juansequeda]
ericP, can you send a link to the latest changes
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Ashok: juan and marcello, could you review this in the next couple of days
16:14:58 [ivan]
Marcello, juan: yes
16:15:21 [ivan]
Ashok: we could therefore have the final document in the next few days
16:15:53 [ivan]
Ashok: shall we agree on Friday the 25th?
16:15:57 [mhausenblas]
Michael: concerning the road ahead - R2RML can transition to PR and if we go for a direct LC-PR transition we can get them out at the same time ...
16:16:09 [ivan]
mhausenblas: from our charter until the end of june
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q?
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q+
16:17:25 [ericP]
q+ to say it does change implementations
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q?
16:17:54 [Ashok]
Ivan: The changes in R2RML introduce a new notion ... so it's borderline if we need a LC for R2RML
16:18:14 [mhausenblas]
ack cygri
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ack next
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ericP, you wanted to say it does change implementations
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q-
16:18:42 [ivan]
cygri: I agree to that: it makes a lot of sense, the current changes in r2rml is a borderline, it makes sense to do a 2nd lc with r2rml, too
16:18:46 [mhausenblas]
Michael: I second that, let's go into 2nd LC with both R2RML and DM
16:19:26 [Ashok]
+1 to Michael
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Michael: And we can then go directly to PR from 2nd LC
16:20:13 [ivan]
ericP: when you have all your implementations ready, it is polite to go through a CR period, but we can note in the LC that we plan to go to PR directly
16:20:26 [ivan]
… and we have to do the implementation report
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Ashok: I thought we can do a shorter last call?
16:21:06 [ivan]
ericP: may be it is 3 weeks
16:21:12 [mhausenblas]
Michael: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr
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… but, do we think it is realistic?
16:21:49 [Ashok]
Michael: LC should be 3 weeks or longer
16:22:01 [ivan]
ericP: will be able to have an implementation report in 3 weeks?
16:22:10 [ivan]
Ashok: what do we have to do differently?
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… .we have to change the encoding
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ericP: we have to rewrite the tests
16:22:36 [boris]
+1 to ericP
16:22:45 [ivan]
… but I do not know how many people have been running all the tests
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… e.g. the ones with the country characters
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… or the multiple non-unique rows
16:23:03 [Ashok]
s/country/Kanji/
16:24:06 [ivan]
Ashok: if we get the documents on the 25th,
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ivan: we can then publish next week Tuesday
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Ashok: if we publish next tuesday, 29th, then we got 3 weeks, that is the 19th of June
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… for the LC period
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mhausenblas: we should have a formal proposal for 2nd last call
16:27:24 [ivan]
PROPOSAL: R2RML and DM should be published as a 2nd last call on Tuesday, 29th of May, with a LC period of 3 weeks, i.e., until the 19th of June
16:27:40 [mhausenblas]
+1
16:27:42 [ivan]
+1
16:27:51 [boris]
+1
16:28:10 [cygri]
+1
16:28:11 [ericP]
+1
16:28:12 [juansequeda]
+1
16:28:16 [Marcelo]
+1
16:28:16 [seema]
+1
16:28:17 [cygri]
+1.5 actually
16:28:17 [Souri]
+1
16:28:33 [ivan]
RESOLVED: R2RML and DM should be published as a 2nd last call on Tuesday, 29th of May, with a LC period of 3 weeks, i.e., until the 19th of June
16:29:12 [ivan]
Ashok: I would like to get an idea who will implement, to get the formal reports
16:29:20 [cygri]
q+
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… from eric, juan?
16:29:28 [boris]
q+
16:29:37 [cygri]
q+ to say we should have R2RML
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q?
16:30:02 [ivan]
david: I do not expect we will have time to complete the implementation
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… for R2RML
16:30:33 [ivan]
Souri: we are working, but legally we cannot say things
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q?
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ack cygri
16:30:51 [Zakim]
cygri, you wanted to say we should have R2RML
16:31:04 [ivan]
cygri: i think by this date we should have r2rml complete
16:31:25 [ivan]
… and the direct mapping with the exception with the blank node issue i expect to have that done, too
16:31:38 [mhausenblas]
q?
16:31:40 [ivan]
Ashok: eric, will you have both of them, or only the dm?
16:31:47 [mhausenblas]
ack boris
16:32:06 [ivan]
boris: same as richard, we can have the r2rml implementation by mid-end June
16:32:09 [ivan]
… only r2rml
16:32:40 [ivan]
cygri: the dm we will have to pass except for the bnode issue
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q?
16:33:00 [Ashok]
Ashok: Boris, Richard will have R2R implemented
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s/R2R/R2RML/
16:33:22 [mhausenblas]
Michael: looking at http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations makes me believe that we have one more for R2RML - Nuno's impl
16:33:28 [ivan]
ericP: I will have dm over three databases
16:33:33 [Ashok]
Eric will have DM implemented
16:33:58 [ivan]
juansequeda: we have it ready for r2rml and dm
16:34:09 [ivan]
Ashok: we should have enough then
16:34:14 [ivan]
… excellent!
16:34:34 [ivan]
mhausenblas: I would like to start on implementation report
16:34:39 [boris]
q+
16:34:41 [ivan]
… where are we on the earl stuff, etc
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q?
16:35:05 [ivan]
boris: the whole test case and the report I have still review the test cases document
16:35:08 [ivan]
… with the last chagnes
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… then we already have the setup for earl report
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… the last thing is to generate an html page from the earl report
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mhausenblas: maybe it is worth to do a dry round even if it is not complete
16:36:02 [ivan]
… just to be able to plug in another earl document in
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boris: we can start right now with earl reports we have now
16:36:28 [ivan]
Ashok: do you have the test cases ready
16:36:33 [ivan]
boris: by Monday
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ack boris
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q+
16:36:52 [ivan]
mhausenblas: we should be set by now
16:37:06 [ivan]
Ashok: charter and timing?
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-juansequeda
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+ +1.512.484.aacc
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zakim, aacc is me
16:37:59 [Zakim]
+juansequeda; got it
16:38:05 [ivan]
mhausenblas: nothing, in terms of charter we are until june
16:38:43 [Ashok]
s/until/chartered until/
16:39:10 [mhausenblas]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/
16:39:20 [ivan]
mhausenblas: I was wrong, the charter is until end of september!
16:40:11 [ivan]
cygri: i have a question, looking over the r2rml editors draft
16:40:22 [ivan]
… we have a link to the uc document and the test cases document
16:40:30 [ivan]
… what is going to happen there
16:40:39 [ivan]
… the uc document is june 2010
16:40:52 [ivan]
… is that just essentially stay like that (as a draft) or not
16:41:04 [ivan]
… the test cases is labeled as an editor's draft in the wg web space
16:41:08 [boris]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/
16:41:22 [ivan]
q+
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ack cygri
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q?
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ack next
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-EricP
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Ashok: we have to think about a 1.1 version
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… whether we want that or not
16:45:50 [ivan]
cygri: the links are as they are in the r2rml
16:46:40 [ivan]
Ashok: we are to have a telco next week, just to make sure that the document gets published
16:46:48 [ivan]
… starting the last call, etc
16:47:47 [ivan]
Ashok: let us keep on the schedule, if things are published then we can cancel the meeting
16:48:10 [ivan]
meeting ajourned
16:48:18 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, draft minute
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', mhausenblas. Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:48:20 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
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rrsagent make logs public
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rrsagent, make logs public
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trackbot, end telecon
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Zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been cygri, Ashok_Malhotra, dmcneil, Ivan, boris, Souri, juansequeda, +1.603.897.aaaa, seema, EricP, +2714aabb, marcello, +1.512.484.aacc
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-RDB2RDF-minutes.html trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items
16:49:02 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/22-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas