IRC log of wai-wcag on 2012-05-03
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/05/03-wai-wcag-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
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- ok, trackbot, I see WAI_WCAG()4:00PM already started
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- Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 03 May 2012
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- +Cooper
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- +Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- zakim, Microsoft is Alex_Li
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- +Alex_Li; got it
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- +Kathy
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- +ifette
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- zakim, ifette is Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2012AprJun/0055.html
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- chair: Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- scribe: Kathy
- 20:08:27 [David]
- scribe: David
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- Finish up the discussion on headings
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- scribe: Kathy
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- scribe: Kathy
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- Yeahhhhh
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- Does assistive technology handle a heading and a link?
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- topic: LC-2607: Headings https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20120419TF/results#x2607
- 20:11:28 [Kathy]
- It shows up in the heading list, David will check to see if it is in the links list
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- Loretta suggests the following change: "WCAG only requires that the markup reflect what what authored." -> "Success Criterion 1.3.1 requires that if headings are used, they be marked up as headings. It does not require that headings be used at all, or that they be used in any particular way."
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- Question is how much is up to author
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- +[Microsoft]
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- Area of judgement here
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- Topic: LC-2607 : Headings
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- +Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- -Alex_Li
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- So long as the heading structures provided match the content, there is no prohibition against an HTML page having multiple H1 heading elements or not following a strict heirarchy of headings, nor any similar prohibition for similar semantic structures in technologies other than HTML.
- 20:32:23 [Loretta]
- WCAG does not require strict hierarchy in headings. It recommends it but does not require it. Using two <h1> headings would not violate any of the success criteria, so WCAG conformance would not prohibit it. Success Criterion 1.3.1 requires that if headings are used, they be marked up as headings. It does not require that headings be used at all, or that they be used in any particular way. If the author used heading level to emphasize the importance of a
- 20:34:03 [Loretta]
- hierarchically, the content can still meet WCAG, since equivalent information is exposed to everyone.
- 20:35:52 [awk]
- WCAG does not require strict hierarchy in headings. It recommends it but does not require it. Using two <h1> headings in an HTML document would not violate any of the success criteria, so WCAG would not prohibit it. Success Criterion 1.3.1 requires that if headings are in the content that the relationships are conveyed programmatically.
- 20:39:53 [Loretta]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20120103/H69.html
- 20:43:41 [Loretta]
- Success Criterion 1.3.1 requires that if headings are used, they be marked up as headings. It does not require that headings be used at all, or that they be used in any particular way. If the author used heading level to emphasize the importance of a topic, for instance, but did not create sections hierarchically, the content can still meet WCAG, since equivalent information is exposed to everyone.
- 20:43:52 [Loretta]
- Success Criterion 1.3.1 requires that if headings are in the content that the relationships are conveyed programmatically.
- 20:49:52 [Kathy]
- Conclusion: Rewrite the response to state that 2 h1 headings does not violate the success criteria so WCAG conformance would not prohibit it. Include a reference to technique h69 and g141. Current screen readers support navigation elments marked up as headings.
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- Conclusion: Accepted as amended
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- Topic: HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives
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- Example 6.1
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- https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20120503misc/results#xq1
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- Conclusion: Example is fine
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- scribe: David
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- -Kathy
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- Resolution: example 2.2, 6.1 ok
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- -Robin_Tuttle
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- pure decoration
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- serving only an aesthetic purpose, providing no information, and having no functionality
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- Note: Text is only purely decorative if the words can be rearranged or substituted without changing their purpose.
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- Example: The cover page of a dictionary has random words in very light text in the background.
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- Decoration, Formatting, Invisible: If non-text content is pure decoration, is used only for visual formatting, or is not presented to users, then it is implemented in a way that it can be ignored by assistive technology.
- 21:21:24 [awk]
- As decisions about when to provide a text alternative are based on context of use, both options are considered to be conforming, but it is recommended that a brief text alternative is provided as what different users may consider to be "pure decoration" and not necessary to understand the content is somewhat subjective.
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- -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- -Cooper
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- -David_MacDonald
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- -Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- WAI_WCAG()4:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Robin_Tuttle, David_MacDonald, Cooper, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Alex_Li, Kathy, Bruce_Bailey, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, [Microsoft], Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- Action: Bruce Bailey and David to provide recommended edits to the group on “Techniques for providing useful text alternatives.”
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- Created ACTION-172 - Bailey and David to provide recommended edits to the group on “Techniques for providing useful text alternatives.” [on Bruce Bailey - due 2012-05-10].
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/05/03-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
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