17:56:36 RRSAgent has joined #aapi 17:56:36 logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/04/25-aapi-irc 17:56:43 rrsagent, make logs public 17:56:49 rrsagent, make log world 17:56:59 Scribe: Andi_Snow-Weaver 17:57:05 ScribeNick: Andi 17:57:11 Meeting: AAPI 17:57:17 Chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver 17:57:30 Regrets: David_Bolter 18:03:26 +[Microsoft] 18:05:56 topic: Issues and Actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/10 18:06:07 +Rich 18:06:30 ACTION-979 18:06:31 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/979 18:06:33 richardschwerdtfe has joined #aapi 18:06:38 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/979 18:06:40 cyns has joined #aapi 18:09:08 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_conflicts 18:10:40 add note to 5.4 to refer back to section 5.2 for the rules where there are conflicts with native semantics 18:12:41 ACTION-981 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/981 18:16:06 ACTION-990 https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/990 18:18:04 -[Microsoft] 18:20:01 Subtree: An object in a heirarchical object tree and all of it's descendants. In the case of accessibility APIs, this refers to an accessible object in the accessibility API tree, and it's descendants in that tree. It does not include objects which have relationships other than parent-child in that tree. For example, it does not include objects linked via aria-owns [@@need IA2 name for this] 18:20:01 unless those objects are also descendants in the accessibility API tree. 18:20:35 cyns has joined #aapi 18:21:30 +[Microsoft] 18:22:03 Subtree: An object in a heirarchical object tree and all of it's descendants. In the case of accessibility APIs, this refers to an accessible object in the accessibility API tree, and it's descendants in that tree. It does not include objects which have relationships other than parent-child in that tree. For example, it does not include objects linked via aria-owns [@@need IA2 name for this] 18:22:03 unless those objects are also descendants in the accessibility API tree. 18:24:12 "subtree" is used in name calculation text in 5.6.1.3 and in 5.8.2 18:25:39 CS: can't use aria-owns because IE modifies the accessibility tree per aria-owns relationships 18:25:47 RS: may need two separate definitions then 18:27:03 Accessibility Subtree: In the case of accessibility APIs, this refers to an accessible object in the accessibility API tree, and it's descendants in that tree. It does not include objects which have relationships other than parent-child in that tree. For example, it does not include objects linked via aria-flowto [@@need IA2 name for this] unless those objects are also descendants in the 18:27:03 accessibility API tree. 18:27:22 Accessibility Subtree: In the case of accessibility APIs, this refers to an accessible object in the accessibility tree, and it's descendants in that tree. It does not include objects which have relationships other than parent-child in that tree. For example, it does not include objects linked via aria-flowto [@@need IA2 name for this] unless those objects are also descendants in the accessibility 18:27:22 API tree. 18:27:41 Accessibility Subtree: This refers to an accessible object in the accessibility API tree and its descendants in that tree. It does not include objects which have relationships other than parent-child in that tree. For example, it does not include objects linked via aria-flowto [@@need IA2 name for this] unless those objects are also descendants in the accessibility API tree. 18:28:16 Accessibility Subtree: An accessible object in the accessibility API tree and its descendants in that tree. It does not include objects which have relationships other than parent-child in that tree. For example, it does not include objects linked via aria-flowto [@@need IA2 name for this] unless those objects are also descendants in the accessibility API tree. 18:28:27 Accessibility Subtree: An accessible object in the accessibility tree and its descendants in that tree. It does not include objects which have relationships other than parent-child in that tree. For example, it does not include objects linked via aria-flowto [@@need IA2 name for this] unless those objects are also descendants in the accessibility API tree. 18:31:38 ISSUE-490: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/490 18:36:13 Remove "ROLE_SYSTEM_RADIOBUTTON or ROLE_SYSTEM_MENUITEM" from IA2 column 18:40:05 Remove "ROLE_SYSTEM_CHECKBUTTON or ROLE_SYSTEM_MENUITEM" from IA2 column 18:47:27 s/Remove "ROLE_SYSTEM_RADIOBUTTON or ROLE_SYSTEM_MENUITEM" from IA2 column// 18:47:34 s/Remove "ROLE_SYSTEM_CHECKBUTTON or ROLE_SYSTEM_MENUITEM" from IA2 column// 18:48:56 make an action item for Michael to change the testable statements to include both the MSAA and the IA2 roles for implementations that use IA2 (Firefox) 18:49:12 IE implementations will only have the MSAA role 18:50:04 testable statements should actually just refer to the mapping table - so IE testers will look at the MSAA column, FF testers will look at the IA2 column, etc. 18:51:07 ISSUE-492: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/492 18:53:22 CS: either of these will work 18:53:37 make and action for Cynthia to review tabpanel mapping against IE implementation 18:55:50 RS: need the IA2 role for tabpanel 18:56:22 Andi to find out if there is an object attribute for tabpanel 18:58:07 ISSUE-486: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/496 19:00:43 AS: bullet 3 in section 4.2 19:01:02 AS: Isn't this requirement a MUST even for HTML 4 implementations? 19:01:24 CS: WAI-ARIA is completely untestable unless tabindex is allowed on any element 19:02:03 CS: isn't there a modified HTML 4 DTD that allows tabindex on all elements? 19:02:15 RS: browsers all allow it but it's not in the DTD 19:02:30 -Rich 19:02:33 RS: have to see if there is a modified HTML 4 DTD that includes tabindex 19:02:52 give Rich an action item to research this 19:03:15 -Andi_Snow-Weaver 19:03:19 zakim, bye 19:03:19 leaving. As of this point the attendees were Andi_Snow-Weaver, [Microsoft], Rich 19:03:19 Zakim has left #aapi 19:03:35 s/[Microsoft]/Cynthia_Shelly 19:03:41 rrsagent, make minutes 19:03:42 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/25-aapi-minutes.html Andi 19:41:42 s/unless those objects are also descendants in the accessibility API tree/unless those objects are also descendants in the accessibility tree/ 19:41:48 rrsagent, make minutes 19:41:48 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/25-aapi-minutes.html Andi 20:55:11 s/make and action for Cynthia/make an action for Cynthia/ 20:55:15 rrsagent, make minutes 20:55:15 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/25-aapi-minutes.html Andi 21:41:24 Andi has joined #aapi