IRC log of html-a11y on 2012-04-05
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 2119
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- Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 05 April 2012
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- 15:00:35 [paulc]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:00:47 [Zakim]
- sorry, paulc, I don't know what conference this is
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, JF, janina, davidb, MikeSmith, trackbot, [tm]
- 15:01:04 [janina]
- zakim, this will be html-a11y
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- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, janina
- 15:01:32 [paulc]
- zakim, this will be HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
- 15:01:33 [Judy]
- zakim, ???
- 15:01:53 [JF]
- zakim, this will be #html-a11y
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- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, paulc
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- I don't understand your question, Judy.
- 15:02:08 [janina]
- zakim, this will be WAI_PFWG(HTML
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- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, JF
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- ok, janina, I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)10:00AM already started
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- +Judy
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- +??P69
- 15:03:43 [janina]
- zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see ??P9, [Microsoft], John_Foliot, Judy, ??P69
- 15:04:33 [paulc]
- zakim, [Microsoft] has paulc
- 15:04:34 [janina]
- zakim, ??P9 is Janina_Sajka
- 15:04:47 [paulc]
- zakim, you need more early morning coffee!
- 15:05:08 [MikeSmith]
- Zakim, call Mike
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- zakim, ??P69 is LeifHSilli
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- On IRC I see LeifHSilli, Judy, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, JF, janina, davidb, MikeSmith, trackbot, [tm]
- 15:05:53 [Zakim]
- +paulc; got it
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- +Janina_Sajka; got it
- 15:06:06 [janina]
- Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
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- Chair: Janina_Sajka
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- Scribe: Steve_Faulkner
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- agenda+ Subteam Reports: Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings
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- agenda+ Issues Work; Timelines; Expectations; Issue-204 & Issue-30; Others?
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- agenda+ A11Y Participation at the HTML-WG F2F
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- agenda+ Other Business
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- + +44.117.929.aaaa
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- agenda+ Actions Review http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/open
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- agenda+ Identify Scribe for the next TF teleconference http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
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- agenda+ be done
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- I don't understand 'you need more early morning coffee!', paulc
- 15:06:32 [janina]
- zakim, aaaa is Leonie
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- scribe: JF
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- zakim, take up item 1
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- ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
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- +Mike
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- +LeifHSilli; got it
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- +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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- Rich: we be going to California for the F2F
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- +Leonie; got it
- 15:08:40 [JF]
- Judy: we need to narrow in on a time for time at the F2F for the canvas discussion
- 15:08:43 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Subteam Reports: Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings" taken up [from janina]
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- Janina: we need to brainstorm about that
- 15:09:58 [paulc]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Apr/0057.html
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- Paul: just sent out an email to TF archive regarding F2F - call for agenda items
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- here now
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- paul: put info for f2f on wiki in regards to taskforce matters
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- +??P21
- 15:11:16 [JF]
- Paul: part of the is a wiki for scheduling those types of meetings
- 15:11:18 [paulc]
- F2F agenda wiki: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/May2012Agenda
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- Rich: will likely need 60 - 90 minutes to discuss the 2 approaches
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- Rich: there are some clear additional requirements beyond hit-testing - looks like full-blown paths like SVG
- 15:12:41 [Stevef]
- RS: for a canvas discussion, if right people are in room, 1-11/2 hrs, 2 approaches, Ians is heavier weight, does about the same thing for a11y, discuss 2 on table and discuss. Ian wrote chnages with extra requirements, paths in canvas like svg
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- scribe: Stevef
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- RS: will microsoft accept the additional stuff in Ians spec text?
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- Janina: imprtant to have in discussion, Ian h, ted c, frank O
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- RS: additional roles and labels info in ians proposal, but no indication of use cases
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- Judy: need ample time to discuss, get definitive direction,
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- RS: so 2-3 hrs
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- janina: morning or afternoon session
- 15:15:34 [Judy]
- s/definitive direction/definitive direction, so that the approach doesn't get changed again while people are trying to build accessibility solutions on it./
- 15:16:06 [Stevef]
- RS: hopefully get consensed proposal, jonas from mozilla maybe maybe rob o'callahan
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- RS: jonas was supportive of hit testing
- 15:17:11 [paulc]
- FYI, Jonas Sicking has registered for WebApps and WebAppSec but NOT for HTML WG F2F.
- 15:17:18 [Stevef]
- JS: get everyone requirements on table, clear articulation, maybe gather info in advance, come to agreement about requirments from stakeholders
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- JS: rich available either thru/fri?
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- RS: need to pick a day
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- JS: frank wants 1 day not 2
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- RS: chnages to canvas more than a11y
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- RS: can live with either proposal
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- -Leonie
- 15:20:34 [Stevef]
- JF: read this and discussion below, re transcript etc http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20120404#l-791
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- PC: thusday afternoon immediatley after lunch
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- PC: rich ask people to be there
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- Janina: bring it up in html wg call, who can put on wiki? rich?
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- Judy: text subteam met tues april 3rd working through pending issues, meta generator, longdesc getting back into incorrect guidance in HTML5, still additional co-ordination items: issue 204, timeline for aria 1.1 not completed with planned timeline for html5
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- Judy: noted some remaining work on 204 clarification needed, to align guidenaqce in html5/aria. discussed additional co-ordination on issue 203, static video, paused video. wnated to note didn't get into discussion, but deadline imminenet on 203, sam was asking a few questions
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- judy: questions was if longdesc is re-instated in spec will 203 be resolved? the details of how longdesc is resolved will effect it.
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- JF: re-instate longdes as per HTML4, then new chnage proposal to extend longdesc
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- Paul: thought we were only about 203? deadline for 194 is today
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- Judy: more subteam report: meta name generator discussion, about updated chnage proposal, focus on info helpful to process stage, how 2 new bugs instersected with resolution startegy, ended up leif withdrew bugs for now
- 15:33:05 [Stevef]
- Judy: issue 30 longdesc - timeline and next steps, chairs intent to complete process on 204 then take up issue 30
- 15:34:31 [Stevef]
- Paul:204 has call for alkternate closes on 18th april and you can be sure that if we see a new chnage proposal will review quickly,
- 15:35:33 [Stevef]
- JS: taskforce will look at section 5.1.2 to make sure that whatever chnage proposal we provide will bring html5/aria/aria UA guide into concordance
- 15:36:32 [Stevef]
- paul: provided reveiw comments but didn't give deadline to make changes on reviews, will go to survey quickly as possible
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- judy: do not hold off, so we can get back to issue 30
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- paul: so hopefully we can get to decision on 204 and move onto issue 30 survey, expect to occur in May
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- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652635
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- q+
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- q+
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- ack ju
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- ack st
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- +Q
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- RS: rich doesn't like the mozilla approach, when you do describedby to anchor, anchor does not have to be in vicinity of item being describedby, you also add additional authoring complexity, would rather inbuilt mechanism
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- RS: prefers tighter mechanism
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- q+
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- RS: had meeting with d bolter, d mazzonis, s pfieffer agreed needed in context , adding in aria stepping over boundarys
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- JF: putting link offscreen?
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- RS: trying to provide mainstream feature
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- q?
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- ack jf
- 15:48:52 [Stevef]
- RS: mozilla implementation is a hack
- 15:48:55 [LeifHSilli]
- http://malform.no/blog/an-aria-for-long-description-links
- 15:49:02 [janina]
- ack l
- 15:49:58 [Stevef]
- leif: wrote blog post would like feedback
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- q+
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- judy: concerened that there will be infinite number of design approaches
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- q+
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- ack ju
- 15:51:42 [janina]
- ack r
- 15:52:21 [Stevef]
- RS: if we are going to do it in non aria attribute, why would you not take longdesc and use it on all elements, its not well defined so improve it
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- must leave
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- -LeifHSilli
- 15:53:19 [Stevef]
- JS: at very least will need to be added to video
- 15:54:20 [JF]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#exclude_elements
- 15:55:46 [Stevef]
- JS: still not happy with current langauge around hidden in the UA guide
- 15:58:41 [Stevef]
- JS: 1 more item; issue 194 now has 2 proposals new proposal seems to have merit, please come up to speed on the various proposals and if we as a taskforce support any particular proposal
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- JF: ted has done fair amount of investigation, if we can get browsers to implement what he is proposing thats the goal
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- -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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- -Mike
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- -John_Foliot
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- -??P21
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- -Judy
- 16:00:13 [janina]
- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees were John_Foliot, Judy, paulc, Janina_Sajka, +44.117.929.aaaa, Mike, LeifHSilli, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Leonie
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