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14:59:17 <Joshue108> zakim, this will be 9224
14:59:17 <Zakim> ok, Joshue108; I see WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM scheduled to start in 31 minutes
15:00:03 <Joshue108> zakim, make log world
15:00:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make log world', Joshue108
15:00:16 <Joshue108> rrsagent, make log world
15:00:32 <Joshue108> Meeting: HTML Techniques Task Force
15:00:47 <Joshue108> Chair: Josh
15:01:07 <Joshue108> Agenda +  Item 1: Review of submitted technique for Captions:
15:02:14 <Joshue108> Agenda +  Item 2: Request from PF to discuss and review the on-screen behavior of tab accessible hidden data. (HTML WG Issue 204)
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15:59:03 <Zakim> WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has now started
15:59:10 <Zakim> +Ryladog
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16:01:06 <Zakim> +David_MacDonald
16:01:29 <Joshue108> zakim, code
16:01:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'code', Joshue108
16:01:32 <Joshue108> zakim, code?
16:01:32 <Zakim> the conference code is 9224 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), Joshue108
16:01:42 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
16:01:53 <Zakim> +Cooper
16:02:07 <Zakim> +??P12
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16:02:39 <jamesn> jamesn has changed the topic to: 02-April-2012 (jamesn)
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16:03:02 <Zakim> +Jeff
16:03:25 <MichaelC> zakim, Jeff is Joshue_O_Connor
16:03:25 <Zakim> +Joshue_O_Connor; got it
16:03:33 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P12 is Loretta_Guarino_Reid
16:03:33 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it
16:03:47 <Zakim> +??P19
16:03:57 <Zakim> +Jon_Gunderson
16:04:12 <adam> zakim, P19 is adam_solomon
16:04:12 <Zakim> sorry, adam, I do not recognize a party named 'P19'
16:04:21 <adam> zakim, ??P19 is adam_solomon
16:04:21 <Zakim> +adam_solomon; got it
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16:06:49 <jamesn> scribe: jamesn
16:07:05 <Loretta> zakim, who is here?
16:07:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ryladog, David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen, Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Joshue_O_Connor, adam_solomon, Jon_Gunderson
16:07:07 <jamesn> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:07:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ryladog, adam, David, Loretta, jamesn, MichaelC, RRSAgent, Zakim, Joshue108, jongund
16:07:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ryladog, David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen, Cooper, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Joshue_O_Connor, adam_solomon, Jon_Gunderson
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16:07:48 <Joshue108> zakim, take up item 1
16:07:48 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Item 1: Review of submitted technique for Captions:" taken up [from Joshue108]
16:08:34 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20120319techs/
16:08:58 <Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Using_the_track_element_to_provide_captions
16:12:03 <MichaelC> q+
16:13:09 <MichaelC> ack me
16:13:16 <Loretta> q+
16:13:42 <jamesn> q+ to say that if you have a technique you think is not ready then mention it when you mail it to us
16:13:47 <jamesn> ack me
16:13:47 <Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to say that if you have a technique you think is not ready then mention it when you mail it to us
16:14:38 <MichaelC> q+ to mention that wikis are meant to be collaborative editing spaces...
16:14:52 <Loretta> ack me
16:15:53 <jamesn> MC: wikis are designed to be collaborative edit spaces. Ideally folks should just add to wiki pages
16:16:21 <jamesn> MC: if we get that really going with the group - the wiki has features so you can look at what is being worked on
16:16:35 <jamesn> MC: you can put a note in. Wikis also have talk page
16:16:47 <jamesn> MC: not sur ewe should do that - but it is there
16:17:28 <David> q+
16:17:35 <jamesn> notes it is "Discussion" on our wiki
16:17:56 <jamesn> LGR: hopes this is ready to go. Was revised based on previous comments
16:17:57 <MichaelC> ack me
16:17:57 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to mention that wikis are meant to be collaborative editing spaces...
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16:18:09 <MichaelC> ack d
16:18:50 <jamesn> DM: notes doesn't think translation should be in description
16:19:15 <jamesn> LGR: lifted directly from html5
16:19:40 <jamesn> LGR: the test procedure notes that must be in the language of the video
16:19:55 <jamesn> LGR: the test procedure does not permit the kind of track this note discusses
16:20:19 <jamesn> LGR: moved dicussion into the note from before
16:20:47 <jamesn> LGR: concerned if we don't say this then it would be construed as not meeting the need
16:21:34 <jamesn> LGR: lots of confusion concerning caption and subtitle
16:23:01 <jamesn> LGR: used pretty interchangeably
16:23:11 <jamesn> LGR: in common usage
16:23:27 <jamesn> LGR: HTML5 is pretty clear. Carefully distinguished
16:24:25 <jamesn> LGR: important distinction is does it contain sound effect info etc.
16:26:45 <jamesn> JG: if there are both subtitles and captions is there a way for the user to select which is displayedx
16:27:08 <jamesn> JOC: support is pretty good in major browsers for html5 video controls
16:27:41 <Loretta> we can hear you, JOn.
16:28:59 <Joshue108> +q
16:30:16 <jamesn> LGR: there may be a way to provide the language of the video
16:30:21 <David> Could we add two bullets:   Captions = dialogue+other audio sounds    .... Subtitles= dialogue, usually in different language from the video
16:31:45 <jamesn> JN: concerned we are overthinking this
16:31:58 <jamesn> LGR: change the subtitle line to be a cpation line
16:32:48 <jamesn> LGR: add that this is an english video in the source code (whatever way that is shown)
16:33:11 <jamesn> JG: add an example 2 about multiple languages
16:34:05 <jamesn> LGR: we have stayed agnostic about the format of the cpation file
16:34:23 <jamesn> JOC: would be very useful to show someone how to get started in cpations
16:34:45 <jamesn> JOC: it is relatively straightforward but can be difficult to get started
16:34:57 <jamesn> LGR: i'D like there to be a resource we can poiint people to
16:35:35 <jamesn> LGR: if we document any format we open pandora's box
16:35:54 <jamesn> LGR: the techniques are showing how to associate them together in the technology
16:36:14 <jamesn> DM: I'm confused why we have different language cpations
16:38:46 <jamesn> LGR: In terms of WCAG if you are putting up a french video and have english subtitles there is no need in wcag to have english captions too
16:44:20 <jamesn> looks good to me now
16:46:07 <jamesn> LGR: has everyone reviewed the updated example
16:47:05 <jamesn> JOC: concerned about srt extension
16:48:12 <jamesn> JOC: lets leave it
16:48:22 <jamesn> LGR: happy to change to what we agree on
16:50:23 <Joshue108> zakim, take up item 2
16:50:23 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Item 2: Request from PF to discuss and review the on-screen behavior of tab accessible hidden data. (HTML WG Issue 204)" taken up [from Joshue108]
16:50:52 <Joshue108> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
16:51:52 <jamesn> JOC: basic idea is that a long description could be referenced by aria-describedby and pushed off screen
16:52:38 <Ryladog> +q
16:52:55 <Loretta> q+
16:53:25 <Joshue108> JN: While we are doing HTML5 techs, I think this is a broader issue.
16:54:57 <Joshue108> -q
16:55:33 <Loretta> ack me
16:55:34 <Joshue108> ack Ryladog
16:56:10 <Joshue108> +q
16:56:52 <Ryladog> +1
16:57:10 <Zakim> -adam_solomon
16:57:41 <Loretta> q+
16:57:44 <Joshue108> -q
16:58:02 <Zakim> -Jon_Gunderson
16:58:08 <jongund> I have another call
17:02:20 <Loretta> ack me
17:03:18 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
17:03:44 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
17:03:54 <Loretta> Oops - skype just cut me off. Sorry!
17:04:56 <Joshue108> no worries
17:17:34 <Zakim> -Ryladog
17:17:47 <Zakim> -Joshue_O_Connor
17:17:48 <Zakim> -Cooper
17:17:51 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
17:17:52 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
17:17:52 <Zakim> WAI_HTML TT()11:30AM has ended
17:17:52 <Zakim> Attendees were Ryladog, David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen, Cooper, Joshue_O_Connor, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Jon_Gunderson, adam_solomon, Marc_Johlic
17:18:02 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
17:18:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/04/02-html-techs-tf-minutes.html jamesn