IRC log of aapi on 2012-02-07

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-aapi-irc
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19:48:30 [Char]
zakim, this will be aapi
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ok, Char; I see WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
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Scribe: Char
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Meeting: AAPI
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Chair: Cynthia Shelly
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WAI_PFWG(AAPI)3:00PM has now started
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+ +1.781.598.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is Char
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+Char; got it
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Agenda: Review action items, New business
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+[Mozilla]
19:57:26 [davidb]
Zakim, Mozilla is David_Bolter
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+David_Bolter; got it
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+ +1.213.330.aabb
19:58:40 [Char]
zakim, aabb is Jason
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+Jason; got it
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+[Microsoft]
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zakim, microsoft is lweiss
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+lweiss; got it
20:02:23 [jkiss]
ACTION: jkiss to follow up with James Craig on proposed Mac mappings and solicit input from lists on same
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+[Microsoft]
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Topic: Recap Action Items
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zakim, microsoft is cyns
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+cyns; got it
20:04:13 [jkiss]
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview3.html
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20:05:36 [Char]
jkiss has updated overview3. Reformatted the tables, added table summaries. Works with keyboard and mouse.
20:07:06 [Char]
Problems with JAWS/NVDA in IE/FF...in some cases, space bar fires nested link.
20:08:09 [Char]
jkiss started by forking ?'s item, they've been talking about issues.
20:08:49 [Char]
NVDA was going into forms mode if setfocus was on summary element, would exit forms mode if you tabbed to a nested link
20:09:28 [Char]
jkiss tried several possible solutions, none made much of a difference
20:10:15 [Char]
Stevef has more information on latest mappings from Mac
20:10:51 [Char]
group needs to decide which layout we're going to continue to modify (now we have 3)
20:12:49 [Char]
First, input from developers is needed to determine which layout is best.
20:13:50 [jkiss]
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-api-map/raw-file/tip/Overview3.html
20:14:08 [cyns]
test
20:14:28 [Char]
overview2 had first conversion test, overview3 has table summaries and drop-down text
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20:17:47 [Char]
right now, search isn't effective with items collapsed; with an "expand all" trigger, search would work. Doc would need note to explain this.
20:18:04 [Char]
items include summary and detail.
20:19:59 [jkiss]
char: jkiss used Mathias Bynens' jquery-details plugin, they've been talking about issues.
20:20:30 [Char]
Now discussing multiple tables v single table. Browser implementers would probably prefer single table to see all entries for one concept.
20:22:14 [Char]
davidb says ARIA was implemented along with development, probably wouldn't have used single table the way it was intended
20:23:09 [Char]
cyns trying to understand implementers' workflow (is it tag-by-tag or by concept?)
20:23:43 [Char]
davidb says generally now, it's tag-specific.
20:23:59 [Char]
cyns says Microsoft generally does lots of things at once
20:25:05 [Char]
davidb says one of the functions of this document is interoperability, They would look down the individual columns of the table to see any areas of divergence.
20:25:55 [Char]
But Firefox and Chrome do multiple mappings. (Safari so far hasn't done anything on Windows.)
20:27:03 [Char]
cyns will talk to Michael about being able to flip the table views.
20:27:18 [Char]
Action: cyns will talk to Michael about being able to flip the table views.
20:27:38 [Char]
we don't know W3C standards on duplication of content in a doc
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20:29:05 [Stevef]
morning/afternoon etc
20:29:29 [Char]
Action: jkiss will test proof-of-concept of getting all values for API (I used "concept" above) in one table
20:29:48 [Stevef]
apologies will not make the meet, am in process of getting daughter to bed after poo accident
20:30:52 [Char]
jkiss says it's a quick test to determine if it will work
20:31:49 [Char]
jkiss says DOM manipulation is more significant when flipping table view
20:33:00 [Char]
lweiss points out that going to a table-flipping view means that we're back to one table when editing
20:33:11 [Stevef]
worth mentioning: http://www.html5accessibility.com/ as part of this work noted that safari on mac have implemented html5 structural elements using mainly wai-aria roles, so shoudl add this info where applicable to mac accessibility api
20:33:33 [Char]
jkiss cleaned up the code in overview3, much easier to make changes without adding mistakes
20:33:47 [Stevef]
have recorded role etc info in comments here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlVP5_A996c5dGlZdy1rcmhoalF1a2pJYXc4S3NaV2c&hl=en_GB#gid=1
20:34:43 [Stevef]
ctahc you all next week hopefully!
20:34:49 [Stevef]
catch
20:34:58 [Char]
could have one table with collapsible columns to limit table width
20:36:22 [Char]
could have one main table with many view options
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collapsible columns, view by element, etc.
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-Char
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+Char
20:45:52 [Char]
stevef sent link to doc with more info that can be added to whatever overview doc we decide to use
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ACTION: jkiss will add Steve's information to overview (original)
20:48:21 [Char]
One large table identifies everything an implementer needs to do for one API...it's just unwieldy in layout (and when printed, so that has to be accommodated, too)
20:56:02 [Char]
cyns will get the wiki set up, Char will transfer info
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-David_Bolter
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-Jason
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-lweiss
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-Char
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regrets: Steve Faulkner
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/02/07-aapi-minutes.html Char
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Attendees were +1.781.598.aaaa, Char, David_Bolter, +1.213.330.aabb, Jason, lweiss, cyns
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