IRC log of hcls2 on 2012-01-26

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zakim, this is tmo
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ok, michel; that matches SW_HCLS(TMO)11:00AM
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+??P55
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zakim, ??P55 is michel
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+michel; got it
16:05:12 [ericP]
we need to make hasty test decisions, potentially before we publish the CR, if we want the CR to point at submission instructions
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D[1;3Coops
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Michel: Discuss Clinical Decision Support group
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... also Canadian opportunities
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... Cinical Decision Support task force
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... work assess how semweb can support CDS
16:11:06 [Zakim]
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16:11:28 [bobP]
... task force focus on looking at interactions between linked data, other cds platforms
16:12:15 [ericP]
i'm in a meeting now, but am monitoring IRC and interested in any notes captured abou CDS
16:12:26 [bobP]
Matthias: W3C people might want to be on board with this
16:12:39 [bobP]
... also automate with the TMO
16:12:49 [michel]
s/automate/alternate
16:12:57 [ericP]
W3C people want to be on board (have heard multiple parties interested)
16:13:28 [bobP]
... unique perspective on this problem with this group
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... also powerful tool set here
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... should advertise better
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Michel: Chairs have call on Thurs 10-11
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:)
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... early next week we unveil
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... people have indicated that they are interested in CDS here
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... E-Z to participate!
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... Suggest that we narrow here, from TM to Pharmacogenomics
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... TM would happen at a higher level
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... HCLS call once a month will focus on TM
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... 1st 3rd Thu PGx
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... 2nd 4th CDS
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Matthias: Addition to PGx pharmacogenomics
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... Drug-interaction task force a little broader than Pgx
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Michel: Will take this +1 back to the chairs. Roll-out for Feb
16:20:56 [michel]
http://www.heritagehealthprize.com/c/hhp
16:21:38 [bobP]
... 1500 payers 10K entries(?)
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... first challenge that I have seen
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... maybe they have data(!)
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http://www.heritagehealthprize.com/c/hhp/data
16:23:59 [bobP]
... even if we don't predict, we might develop a demo linkedata project over this
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Q: We might be able to add linked-data *into* the competition
16:25:09 [michel]
http://www.heritagehealthprize.com/c/hhp/details/Rules
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Michel: (pondering the rules here...)
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... maybe we just have to ask them in an email
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(?): Data that we bring in would add value for them
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Matthias: Offerring raw data in linked data form might be good for them
16:31:27 [michel]
http://www.heritagehealthprize.com/c/hhp/forums/t/349/external-data
16:31:33 [bobP]
Matthias: Large group of people in this competition; they might find out if they like RDF etc
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Michel: Look through the forum for other people talking data
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Michel: Canadian project, national framework
16:34:36 [bobP]
... every province has its own standard; clinical level there is mish-mash
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... so set up standard descriptions of health data, plus exchange with security
16:35:04 [michel]
http://www.imaginenationchallenge.ca/
16:36:01 [bobP]
... 4 different challenges
16:36:30 [bobP]
... health information is interesting, description is pretty open
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... clinical synopsis reporting
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Bosse: Interesting challenge here, do we have the resources?
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Michel: Maybe discuss on Tues meeting
16:40:50 [bobP]
... will bring it up on the HCLS call. Maybe there are other challenges
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... maybe HCLS should look at challenges!
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Michel: Genome Canada competition $10M/project
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... would like to know about partnership opportunites for this
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... PGx of organ Xplant; also EHRs to capture data, Canadian angle
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Matthias: One of use cases for pgx is organ xplant and rejection
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Michel: PGx paper.
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... problem is, needs focus; Matthias discussion
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... demonstrate classification of patients with OWL.
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... can OWL obviate the requirement for more complicated CDS?
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Matthais: Correct. Should also look at other RDF options
16:48:05 [bobP]
... sparql inferencing by TopQuadrant is possibility
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... can form relatively complex (inferences?)
16:48:41 [matthias_samwald]
http://code.google.com/p/translationalmedicineontology/source/browse/#svn%2Ftrunk%2Fusage_examples
16:48:50 [bobP]
... made CDS table w OWL and w sparql
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... done on top of TMO
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... outcome: grew a bit disappointed w the reasoning
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... so spin and sparql are now a higher priority
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Michel: Elaborate?
16:53:22 [bobP]
Matthias: Basically, qualified cardinality description; cannot infer that (?) consists of exactly 2 dna regions
16:54:43 [bobP]
... probably in OWL full and not DL
16:55:04 [bobP]
... tried to introduce complex property
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(then combined w cardinality restrictions - boom!)
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... Will work better if I try this with SPIN
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... using SPIN leads to modelling considerations; individuals are connected
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... using spin favors a modelling style of using individuals rather than classes
16:58:04 [bobP]
... easier then to have individual for human, individual for genetic (variety?)
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(very insightful discussion from Matthais!)
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Michel: Maybe record this and write paper, about all this experience
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+EricP
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... prep for OWLED in May
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ericP is here!
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ericP: Need actionable information, when we can demo action from the computer
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chair: Michel
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scribenick bobP
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-Bob_Powers
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rssagent, draft minutes
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-michel
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/26-hcls2-minutes.html bobP
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now on chat -- can answer questions but can't call in
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zakim, [IPcaller] is michel
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+michel; got it
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17:24:20 [mscottm2]
boycerd - it appears that LODD people are on #hcls anyway (prigor, mikel, michel (on phone), and myself)
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who's speaking with Scott?
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17:35:57 [Joanne]
diseaseome and SIDR along with Drug Bank
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SIDAR ? /// side affects
17:37:04 [Joanne]
side Effects // SIDER
17:43:05 [michel]
ok
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i'm suggesting that a best practices note should be all encompassing
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but that we should certainly try to spin out a W3C note on dataset metadata
17:43:56 [Joanne]
am I hearing that there is a need for a minimal standard for the meta data recommendation specifically?
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i'm leaving the conference call now. Will catch up with you later.
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