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17:00:54 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
17:00:55 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
17:00:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
17:00:55 <trackbot> Date: 23 January 2012
17:01:03 <MichaelC> zakim, this will be 9224
17:01:03 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; I see Team_(wai-wcag)17:00Z scheduled to start now
17:01:35 <MichaelC> zakim, this is 9224
17:01:35 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; that matches Team_(wai-wcag)17:00Z
17:01:42 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
17:01:48 <MichaelC> zakim, IPcaller is Joshue_O_Connor
17:01:48 <Zakim> +Joshue_O_Connor; got it
17:02:33 <MichaelC> agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/4F184ED4.1040708@oracle.com
17:02:55 <LeonieW> LeonieW has joined #wai-wcag
17:03:13 <Zakim> +chris.a
17:03:39 <MichaelC> zakim, chris.a is Loretta_Guarino_Reid
17:03:39 <Zakim> +Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it
17:03:50 <Loretta> Loretta has joined #WAI-WCAG
17:04:05 <Zakim> +??P10
17:04:30 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P10 is Léonie_Watson
17:04:30 <Zakim> +Léonie_Watson; got it
17:04:32 <Zakim> +??P21
17:04:34 <MichaelC> chair: James_Nurthen
17:04:37 <jongund> zakim, ??P21 is jongund
17:04:37 <Zakim> +jongund; got it
17:04:53 <Joshue108> scribe: Joshue
17:05:10 <MichaelC> scribeNick: Joshue108
17:06:59 <MichaelC> regrets: Bruce_Bailey, Tim_Boland
17:07:26 <Joshue108> JN: This is a good time for Bruce and Tim, but they just cannot make this call.
17:07:52 <Joshue108> MC: Discusses scribing list credits
17:08:16 <Joshue108> JN: If in PF style we should get PF credit!
17:08:25 <Zakim> + +1.703.890.aaaa
17:08:34 <Joshue108> DMcD: We should get both
17:08:48 <MichaelC> zakim, aaaa is Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:08:48 <Zakim> +Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it
17:09:08 <Joshue108> MC: We will work it off line
17:09:31 <Joshue108> JN: I don't object to chairs scribing
17:10:01 <Joshue108> JOC: +1
17:10:58 <Joshue108> TOPIC: Which members can particpate
17:11:26 <Joshue108> MC: You do have to a member of either WCAG or PF to contribute.
17:11:47 <Joshue108> MC: If people who are interested are not in either, contact me and I will try to facilitate them
17:12:08 <Joshue108> s/particpate/participate
17:12:24 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
17:12:24 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should now be muted
17:12:38 <Joshue108> MC: So is this acceptable?
17:12:57 <Joshue108> JN: The WCAG outputs are in the public space, and PF is private.
17:13:11 <Joshue108> JN: This should be in the public space
17:13:14 <Joshue108> MC: Agreed
17:13:20 <Joshue108> JN: Objections?
17:13:23 <Joshue108> <silence>
17:13:35 <Joshue108> JN: Ok, anyone not here we can discuss on list.
17:13:44 <Joshue108> JN: We can draft a proposed resolution.
17:13:59 <Joshue108> MC: I'd write a resolution.
17:14:17 <Joshue108> RESOLUTION: James and Josh to draft resolution
17:14:31 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
17:14:31 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should no longer be muted
17:14:32 <MichaelC> s/RESOLUTION: James and Josh to draft resolution//
17:15:34 <Joshue108> RESOLUTION: Work to take place in WCAG space, to particpate members will need to join WCAG.
17:15:48 <Joshue108> RESOLUTION: All materials will be public
17:15:56 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
17:15:56 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should now be muted
17:16:29 <Joshue108> MC: Minutes and pointers will be sent to both WGs.
17:16:45 <Joshue108> JN: Will we send stuff to Xtech?
17:16:52 <Joshue108> KHS: What about a keyword?
17:17:15 <cstrobbe> s/particpate/participate/
17:17:26 <Joshue108> TOPIC: Times for meetings
17:17:44 <Joshue108> JN: Does this time work for people on call?
17:17:47 <Joshue108> <some dissent>
17:18:05 <Joshue108> JN: We will propose times, length etc.
17:18:28 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
17:18:28 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should no longer be muted
17:18:56 <Joshue108> JN: The above is the suggested time
17:19:04 <Joshue108> JN: Anyone else? Please let us know
17:19:11 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
17:19:11 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should now be muted
17:19:34 <Joshue108> < Discussion on best day and time>
17:19:35 <MichaelC> proposed: Mondays 16:30 to 18:00 UTC (Standard Time)
17:19:56 <Joshue108> LW: When is WCAG call?
17:20:08 <Joshue108> JN: Thursday at 9pm GMT
17:20:28 <Joshue108> JN: We'll put it on the survey
17:21:12 <Joshue108> MC: These times aren't great for the Antipodes.
17:22:02 <Joshue108> JN: I also think, every other week we could have varied meeting times. In order to make progress etc
17:22:08 <Joshue108> JOC: +1
17:22:21 <Joshue108> JG: It could be risky..
17:22:30 <Joshue108> JN: We need good calendaring!
17:22:33 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
17:22:33 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should no longer be muted
17:23:16 <Joshue108> JOC: In principle, is yes - I'm up for that.
17:23:56 <Joshue108> JN: It could be worth experimenting
17:24:06 <cstrobbe> s/JG: It/CS: It/
17:24:07 <Joshue108> LW: Consistency would be important
17:24:29 <Joshue108> +q
17:24:45 <Loretta> q+
17:25:14 <Joshue108> JG: Its not really two sub groups but just one flexible big one with convenient times
17:25:38 <Joshue108> JN: We can put it in the survey, similar to the time question.
17:25:39 <Loretta> q-
17:25:43 <Joshue108> <agreement>
17:26:08 <Joshue108> ack me
17:27:37 <Joshue108> ACTION: Meeting logistics to be worked out offline by Josh and James
17:27:37 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Meeting
17:28:06 <Joshue108> TOPIC: Priorities of Work
17:28:25 <Joshue108> JN: Should we look at ARIA side first? Or the HTML5 side?
17:29:22 <Loretta> q
17:29:25 <Joshue108> JG: Some low hanging fruit would be ARIA, and HTML5 forms. So not an either or scenario. Devs will need guidance.
17:29:30 <Loretta> q+
17:29:48 <Joshue108> JG: Form a11y is number 1 prob on the web.
17:31:14 <jamesn> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/HTML5
17:31:15 <Loretta> ack me
17:31:15 <Joshue108> L: I'm not sure if we should approach by technlogy or subject error. It's going to be a challenge. There will be scripting techniques that need to be written.
17:31:45 <Joshue108> JN: In the WCAG WG, there is a list of HTML5 techniques available.
17:31:55 <Joshue108> JN: Also ARIA techniques?
17:32:28 <Joshue108> L: It would be nice to pubish ARIA techniques
17:33:01 <Joshue108> JN: We need to have techqniues for content that needs to adhere to WCAG.
17:33:15 <Joshue108> L: There is a desire to work on HTML5 a11y techs.
17:33:26 <Joshue108> L: To avoid gaping holes.
17:34:13 <jamesn> JOC: on 1 level the HTML processes have been tough doing the work in the lion's den
17:34:37 <jamesn> JOC: At this stage they may even find the work we do useful - with gap analysis etc.
17:35:11 <jamesn> JOC: might be good to link in to some of those with influence within the HTML5 Ally task force
17:36:16 <MichaelC> q+
17:37:29 <Joshue108> MC: Some housekeeping
17:37:44 <adam> adam has joined #wai-wcag
17:38:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:38:30 <adam> zakim, IPcaller is adam_solomon
17:38:30 <Zakim> +adam_solomon; got it
17:39:14 <Joshue108> JOC: There are some people who I can think of to take up different HTML5 and ARIA aspects.
17:39:28 <Joshue108> JN: People should work on areas of interest.
17:40:01 <MichaelC> q+ to talk about WG review process
17:40:33 <jamesn> JOC: rather than picking on HTML5 or ARIA pick on something like forms and look at how the 2 technologies wortk together on these areas
17:40:56 <jamesn> JOC: developers in general don't really care whether ARIA or HTML5 etc. - they just want to do something
17:41:40 <Joshue108> MC: We will have to deal with getting review from the parent working groups.
17:42:03 <Joshue108> MC: We need a strategy for working between the WG, how items are reviewed.
17:42:19 <Joshue108> JOC: Good point Michael.
17:42:33 <Joshue108> JN: Will our materials be reviewed by both groups?
17:42:52 <Joshue108> MC: Yes, nominally. The PF will have a light hand.
17:43:05 <Joshue108> L: We will have to look at making the content fit the WCAG form.
17:43:11 <Joshue108> JN: We can discuss this later.
17:43:28 <Joshue108> JN: Most of use will need some training on how to write techs.
17:43:37 <MichaelC> ack me
17:43:37 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to talk about WG review process
17:43:47 <Joshue108> JN: A draft class, or creating templates.
17:44:21 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques Techniques page on WCAG wiki, includes link to instructions and template
17:44:36 <Joshue108> JN: We have been discussing whether we will want to modify existing techniques or write new ones.
17:44:50 <Loretta> q+
17:45:30 <Joshue108> JN: Discussion of possibilities
17:46:11 <Loretta> ack me
17:46:15 <Joshue108> L: This is interesting in cases where HTML4 and 5 are identical. There are also situation where the approach is different.
17:46:26 <Joshue108> JN: There are also techs that aren't valid anymore.
17:46:28 <adam> q+
17:46:36 <Joshue108> JN: We will need a mix and match IMO.
17:46:47 <Joshue108> L: We need to avoid document bloat.
17:48:01 <Joshue108> JN: What's feasible Michael in the Quick Ref?
17:48:27 <Joshue108> MC: Stacking is harder but we have preference for that.
17:48:31 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
17:48:31 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should now be muted
17:48:48 <Joshue108> MC: We shouldn't restrict ourselves based on how it currently is.
17:49:05 <jamesn> zakim, who is noisy?
17:49:20 <Zakim> jamesn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Christophe_Strobbe (29%)
17:49:24 <cstrobbe> zakim, mute me
17:49:24 <Zakim> sorry, cstrobbe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
17:49:24 <Joshue108> MC: The EAOG are discussing this at the moment and there may be a redesign. it is timely.
17:49:38 <cstrobbe> zakim, I am Christophe_Strobbe
17:49:38 <Zakim> ok, cstrobbe, I now associate you with Christophe_Strobbe
17:49:38 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
17:49:39 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should no longer be muted
17:50:04 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/changelogs/cl-wcag2-checklist.html EO plans for update of How to Meet WCAG 2.0
17:50:13 <Joshue108> zakim, mute me
17:50:13 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should now be muted
17:50:21 <Joshue108> JN: We need to check that.
17:50:24 <Joshue108> JOC: Yup
17:50:48 <Joshue108> zakim, unmute me
17:50:48 <Zakim> Joshue_O_Connor should no longer be muted
17:52:12 <Joshue108> DMcD: We should do it in a couple of passes.
17:52:33 <Joshue108> DMcD: Go fo the easy stuff first, and then make a pass at the applications.
17:53:12 <Joshue108> JOC: Can we have a backchannel etc?
17:55:13 <Joshue108> JOC: It could be a bin for ideas.
17:56:05 <jongund> I have to go to another call
17:56:09 <Zakim> -jongund
17:56:33 <Joshue108> JN: Is [html5-techs] good for mails to list etc?
17:56:38 <Zakim> -Léonie_Watson
17:56:47 <David_> ps Joshue... its DMacD (not McD) us Scottish background Canadians are sensitive about that stuff. :) 
17:57:19 <Joshue108> s/DMcD/DMacD
17:57:23 <MichaelC> s/[html5-techs]/[html-techs]/
17:58:06 <Joshue108> JOC: Will we be meeting weekly or bi-weekly?
17:58:26 <Joshue108> MC: Thats a question for the survey.
17:58:38 <Joshue108> MC: We should meet weekly.
17:58:41 <Joshue108> JN: Agreed
17:59:20 <jamesn> RESOLUTION: we will use #html-techs-tf channel and the [html5-techs] prefix for mails to mailing lists
17:59:34 <MichaelC> s/[html5-techs]/[html-techs]/
17:59:37 <Zakim> -adam_solomon
18:00:11 <Joshue108> JN: Thats it, please be vocal
18:01:01 <Zakim> -Katie_Haritos-Shea
18:01:03 <Zakim> -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
18:01:03 <Zakim> -David_MacDonald
18:01:05 <Zakim> -James_Nurthen
18:01:12 <Zakim> -Marc_Johlic
18:01:14 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
18:01:42 <Joshue108> rrsagent, make minutes
18:01:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/23-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue108
18:04:50 <Zakim> -Cooper
18:04:54 <Zakim> -Joshue_O_Connor
18:04:55 <Zakim> Team_(wai-wcag)17:00Z has ended
18:04:57 <Zakim> Attendees were David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, Joshue_O_Connor, chris, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Léonie_Watson, jongund, +1.703.890.aaaa,
18:05:00 <Zakim> ... Katie_Haritos-Shea, adam_solomon
18:05:10 <MichaelC> trackbot, end meeting
18:05:10 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
18:05:10 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
18:05:13 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:05:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/23-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
18:05:14 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
18:05:14 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/01/23-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
18:05:14 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Meeting logistics to be worked out offline by Josh and James [1]
18:05:14 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/01/23-wai-wcag-irc#T17-27-37