IRC log of wai-wcag on 2012-01-23

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Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG

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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

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Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 23 January 2012

17:01:03 [MichaelC]

zakim, this will be 9224

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ok, MichaelC; I see Team_(wai-wcag)17:00Z scheduled to start now

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zakim, this is 9224

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ok, MichaelC; that matches Team_(wai-wcag)17:00Z

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+Christophe_Strobbe

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zakim, IPcaller is Joshue_O_Connor

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+Joshue_O_Connor; got it

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agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/4F184ED4.1040708@oracle.com

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+chris.a

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zakim, chris.a is Loretta_Guarino_Reid

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+Loretta_Guarino_Reid; got it

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+??P10

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zakim, ??P10 is Léonie_Watson

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+Léonie_Watson; got it

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+??P21

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chair: James_Nurthen

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zakim, ??P21 is jongund

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+jongund; got it

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scribe: Joshue

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scribeNick: Joshue108

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regrets: Bruce_Bailey, Tim_Boland

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JN: This is a good time for Bruce and Tim, but they just cannot make this call.

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MC: Discusses scribing list credits

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JN: If in PF style we should get PF credit!

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+ +1.703.890.aaaa

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DMcD: We should get both

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zakim, aaaa is Katie_Haritos-Shea

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+Katie_Haritos-Shea; got it

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MC: We will work it off line

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JN: I don't object to chairs scribing

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JOC: +1

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TOPIC: Which members can particpate

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MC: You do have to a member of either WCAG or PF to contribute.

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MC: If people who are interested are not in either, contact me and I will try to facilitate them

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s/particpate/participate

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zakim, mute me

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MC: So is this acceptable?

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JN: The WCAG outputs are in the public space, and PF is private.

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JN: This should be in the public space

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MC: Agreed

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JN: Objections?

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<silence>

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JN: Ok, anyone not here we can discuss on list.

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JN: We can draft a proposed resolution.

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MC: I'd write a resolution.

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RESOLUTION: James and Josh to draft resolution

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zakim, unmute me

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s/RESOLUTION: James and Josh to draft resolution//

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RESOLUTION: Work to take place in WCAG space, to particpate members will need to join WCAG.

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RESOLUTION: All materials will be public

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zakim, mute me

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Joshue_O_Connor should now be muted

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MC: Minutes and pointers will be sent to both WGs.

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JN: Will we send stuff to Xtech?

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KHS: What about a keyword?

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s/particpate/participate/

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TOPIC: Times for meetings

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JN: Does this time work for people on call?

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<some dissent>

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JN: We will propose times, length etc.

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zakim, unmute me

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JN: The above is the suggested time

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JN: Anyone else? Please let us know

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zakim, mute me

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< Discussion on best day and time>

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proposed: Mondays 16:30 to 18:00 UTC (Standard Time)

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LW: When is WCAG call?

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JN: Thursday at 9pm GMT

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JN: We'll put it on the survey

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MC: These times aren't great for the Antipodes.

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JN: I also think, every other week we could have varied meeting times. In order to make progress etc

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JOC: +1

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JG: It could be risky..

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JN: We need good calendaring!

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zakim, unmute me

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JOC: In principle, is yes - I'm up for that.

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JN: It could be worth experimenting

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s/JG: It/CS: It/

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LW: Consistency would be important

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+q

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q+

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JG: Its not really two sub groups but just one flexible big one with convenient times

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JN: We can put it in the survey, similar to the time question.

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q-

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<agreement>

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ack me

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ACTION: Meeting logistics to be worked out offline by Josh and James

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Sorry, couldn't find user - Meeting

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TOPIC: Priorities of Work

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JN: Should we look at ARIA side first? Or the HTML5 side?

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q

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JG: Some low hanging fruit would be ARIA, and HTML5 forms. So not an either or scenario. Devs will need guidance.

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q+

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JG: Form a11y is number 1 prob on the web.

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques/HTML5

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ack me

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L: I'm not sure if we should approach by technlogy or subject error. It's going to be a challenge. There will be scripting techniques that need to be written.

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JN: In the WCAG WG, there is a list of HTML5 techniques available.

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JN: Also ARIA techniques?

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L: It would be nice to pubish ARIA techniques

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JN: We need to have techqniues for content that needs to adhere to WCAG.

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L: There is a desire to work on HTML5 a11y techs.

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L: To avoid gaping holes.

17:34:13 [jamesn]

JOC: on 1 level the HTML processes have been tough doing the work in the lion's den

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JOC: At this stage they may even find the work we do useful - with gap analysis etc.

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JOC: might be good to link in to some of those with influence within the HTML5 Ally task force

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q+

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MC: Some housekeeping

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+[IPcaller]

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zakim, IPcaller is adam_solomon

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+adam_solomon; got it

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JOC: There are some people who I can think of to take up different HTML5 and ARIA aspects.

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JN: People should work on areas of interest.

17:40:01 [MichaelC]

q+ to talk about WG review process

17:40:33 [jamesn]

JOC: rather than picking on HTML5 or ARIA pick on something like forms and look at how the 2 technologies wortk together on these areas

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JOC: developers in general don't really care whether ARIA or HTML5 etc. - they just want to do something

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MC: We will have to deal with getting review from the parent working groups.

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MC: We need a strategy for working between the WG, how items are reviewed.

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JOC: Good point Michael.

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JN: Will our materials be reviewed by both groups?

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MC: Yes, nominally. The PF will have a light hand.

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L: We will have to look at making the content fit the WCAG form.

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JN: We can discuss this later.

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JN: Most of use will need some training on how to write techs.

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ack me

17:43:37 [Zakim]

MichaelC, you wanted to talk about WG review process

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JN: A draft class, or creating templates.

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-> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Techniques Techniques page on WCAG wiki, includes link to instructions and template

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JN: We have been discussing whether we will want to modify existing techniques or write new ones.

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q+

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JN: Discussion of possibilities

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ack me

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L: This is interesting in cases where HTML4 and 5 are identical. There are also situation where the approach is different.

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JN: There are also techs that aren't valid anymore.

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q+

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JN: We will need a mix and match IMO.

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L: We need to avoid document bloat.

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JN: What's feasible Michael in the Quick Ref?

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MC: Stacking is harder but we have preference for that.

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zakim, mute me

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Joshue_O_Connor should now be muted

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MC: We shouldn't restrict ourselves based on how it currently is.

17:49:05 [jamesn]

zakim, who is noisy?

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jamesn, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Christophe_Strobbe (29%)

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zakim, mute me

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sorry, cstrobbe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

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MC: The EAOG are discussing this at the moment and there may be a redesign. it is timely.

17:49:38 [cstrobbe]

zakim, I am Christophe_Strobbe

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ok, cstrobbe, I now associate you with Christophe_Strobbe

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zakim, unmute me

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17:50:04 [MichaelC]

-> http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/changelogs/cl-wcag2-checklist.html EO plans for update of How to Meet WCAG 2.0

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zakim, mute me

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Joshue_O_Connor should now be muted

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JN: We need to check that.

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JOC: Yup

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zakim, unmute me

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DMcD: We should do it in a couple of passes.

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DMcD: Go fo the easy stuff first, and then make a pass at the applications.

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JOC: Can we have a backchannel etc?

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JOC: It could be a bin for ideas.

17:56:05 [jongund]

I have to go to another call

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-jongund

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JN: Is [html5-techs] good for mails to list etc?

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-Léonie_Watson

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ps Joshue... its DMacD (not McD) us Scottish background Canadians are sensitive about that stuff. :)

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s/DMcD/DMacD

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s/[html5-techs]/[html-techs]/

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JOC: Will we be meeting weekly or bi-weekly?

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MC: Thats a question for the survey.

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MC: We should meet weekly.

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JN: Agreed

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RESOLUTION: we will use #html-techs-tf channel and the [html5-techs] prefix for mails to mailing lists

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s/[html5-techs]/[html-techs]/

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-adam_solomon

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JN: Thats it, please be vocal

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-Katie_Haritos-Shea

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-Loretta_Guarino_Reid

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-David_MacDonald

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-James_Nurthen

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-Marc_Johlic

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-Christophe_Strobbe

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/23-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue108

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-Cooper

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-Joshue_O_Connor

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Team_(wai-wcag)17:00Z has ended

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Attendees were David_MacDonald, James_Nurthen, Marc_Johlic, Cooper, Christophe_Strobbe, Joshue_O_Connor, chris, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Léonie_Watson, jongund, +1.703.890.aaaa,

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... Katie_Haritos-Shea, adam_solomon

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trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

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sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/23-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2012/01/23-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Meeting logistics to be worked out offline by Josh and James [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/01/23-wai-wcag-irc#T17-27-37