14:34:25 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-prov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-prov-irc ←
14:34:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
14:34:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be ←
14:34:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot ←
14:34:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Provenance Working Group Teleconference
14:34:30 <trackbot> Date: 08 September 2011
14:34:35 <Luc> Zakim, this will be PROV
Luc Moreau: Zakim, this will be PROV ←
14:34:36 <Zakim> ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 26 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Luc; I see SW_(PROV)11:00AM scheduled to start in 26 minutes ←
14:34:49 <Luc> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.09.08
14:34:57 <Luc> Chair: Luc Moreau
14:35:02 <Luc> Scribe: Paolo Missier
(Scribe set to Paolo Missier)
14:35:16 <Luc> Topic: Admin
14:53:51 <Zakim> SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started
(No events recorded for 18 minutes)
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_(PROV)11:00AM has now started ←
14:53:58 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
14:54:05 <paolo> zakim, ??P3 is me
zakim, ??P3 is me ←
14:54:05 <Zakim> +paolo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +paolo; got it ←
14:55:55 <Zakim> + +1.443.987.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.987.aaaa ←
14:56:12 <Curt> zakim, +1.443.987.aaaa is me
Curt Tilmes: zakim, +1.443.987.aaaa is me ←
14:56:12 <Zakim> +Curt; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Curt; got it ←
14:56:22 <Zakim> +Luc
Zakim IRC Bot: +Luc ←
14:57:40 <Zakim> + +1.540.449.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.540.449.aabb ←
14:58:01 <Yogesh> zakim, +1.540 is me
Yogesh Simmhan: zakim, +1.540 is me ←
14:58:03 <Zakim> +Yogesh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yogesh; got it ←
14:58:06 <Zakim> + +44.789.470.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.789.470.aacc ←
14:58:07 <Luc> @paolo, everything is set up for you, thanks for scribing
Luc Moreau: @paolo, everything is set up for you, thanks for scribing ←
14:58:16 <paolo> ok
ok ←
14:58:18 <stain> Zakim, +44.789.470.aacc is me
Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, +44.789.470.aacc is me ←
14:58:18 <Zakim> +stain; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +stain; got it ←
14:58:25 <stain> (as I told you last week)
Stian Soiland-Reyes: (as I told you last week) ←
15:00:11 <Zakim> + +1.315.723.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.315.723.aadd ←
15:00:31 <Zakim> + +1.937.343.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.937.343.aaee ←
15:00:35 <tlebo> zakim, who is on the phone?
Timothy Lebo: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:00:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see paolo, Curt, Luc, Yogesh, stain, +1.315.723.aadd, +1.937.343.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see paolo, Curt, Luc, Yogesh, stain, +1.315.723.aadd, +1.937.343.aaee ←
15:00:45 <Vinh> zakim, +1.937.343.aaee is me
Vinh Nguyen: zakim, +1.937.343.aaee is me ←
15:00:51 <tlebo> zakim, I am aadd
Timothy Lebo: zakim, I am aadd ←
15:00:54 <Zakim> +Vinh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Vinh; got it ←
15:00:59 <stain> perhaps wait 1 more minute, I was thrown off the conference bridge twice
Stian Soiland-Reyes: perhaps wait 1 more minute, I was thrown off the conference bridge twice ←
15:01:08 <Zakim> +tlebo; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +tlebo; got it ←
15:01:19 <tlebo> zakim, +1.315.723.aadd is me
Timothy Lebo: zakim, +1.315.723.aadd is me ←
15:01:25 <stain> Zakim, who is noisy?
Stian Soiland-Reyes: Zakim, who is noisy? ←
15:01:46 <Zakim> sorry, tlebo, I do not recognize a party named '+1.315.723.aadd'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, tlebo, I do not recognize a party named '+1.315.723.aadd' ←
15:01:48 <Zakim> +Kingsley_Idehen
Zakim IRC Bot: +Kingsley_Idehen ←
15:01:56 <MacTed> Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, Kingsley_Idehen is OpenLink_Software ←
15:01:58 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
15:02:00 <paolo> Stian, how about sip? works fine for me
Stian, how about sip? works fine for me ←
15:02:04 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:02:05 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:02:08 <Zakim> stain, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: paolo (34%), Kingsley_Idehen (15%), Luc (43%)
Zakim IRC Bot: stain, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: paolo (34%), Kingsley_Idehen (15%), Luc (43%) ←
15:02:32 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software; got it ←
15:02:33 <stain> paolo: I got in the third time nicely. :-) Using Skype. It threw me out after saying hello..
Paolo Missier: I got in the third time nicely. :-) Using Skype. It threw me out after saying hello.. [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ] ←
15:02:37 <MacTed> MacTed has changed the topic to: Provenance WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- 2011-09-08 telecon agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.09.08 (MacTed)
Ted Thibodeau: MacTed has changed the topic to: Provenance WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/ -- 2011-09-08 telecon agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.09.08 (MacTed) ←
15:02:38 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
15:02:56 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
15:03:02 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:03:09 <Zakim> +??P55
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P55 ←
15:03:23 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-09-01
Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2011-09-01 ←
15:03:28 <Zakim> +[ISI]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[ISI] ←
15:03:28 <Luc> PROPOSED to accept the minutes of Sep 01 telecon
Luc Moreau: PROPOSED to accept the minutes of Sep 01 telecon ←
15:03:34 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:03:42 <stain> +1
Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 ←
15:03:43 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
15:03:45 <paolo> +1
+1 ←
15:03:47 <Edoardo> +1
Edoardo (Edoardo, Edoardo_and_David) Pignotti: +1 ←
15:03:48 <Lena> +1
Helena Deus: +1 ←
15:03:53 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
15:03:59 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
15:04:00 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
15:04:11 <Luc> RESOLVED: the minutes of Sep 01 telecon
RESOLVED: the minutes of Sep 01 telecon ←
15:04:14 <jcheney> zakim, ??P0 is me
James Cheney: zakim, ??P0 is me ←
15:04:30 <Luc> TOPIC: Named graphs requirements
15:04:40 <Luc> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceRDFNamedGraph
Luc Moreau: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ProvenanceRDFNamedGraph ←
15:04:48 <Zakim> +??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←
15:04:56 <Zakim> +jcheney; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jcheney; got it ←
15:04:58 <Zakim> +??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P10 ←
15:05:29 <Luc> satya?
Luc Moreau: satya? ←
15:05:31 <Zakim> + +1.518.633.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.633.aaff ←
15:05:38 <stain> Satya joined at 15:41 - but not on phone it seems
Stian Soiland-Reyes: Satya joined at 15:41 - but not on phone it seems ←
15:05:48 <Zakim> + +1.706.461.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.706.461.aagg ←
15:05:53 <YolandaGil> q+
Yolanda Gil: q+ ←
15:05:54 <paolo> no comments on requirements
no comments on requirements ←
15:06:10 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
15:06:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see paolo, Curt, Luc, Yogesh, stain, tlebo, Vinh, MacTed (muted), ??P5, ??P34, ??P55, [ISI], Sandro, jcheney, ??P9, ??P10, +1.518.633.aaff, +1.706.461.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see paolo, Curt, Luc, Yogesh, stain, tlebo, Vinh, MacTed (muted), ??P5, ??P34, ??P55, [ISI], Sandro, jcheney, ??P9, ??P10, +1.518.633.aaff, +1.706.461.aagg ←
15:06:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see JimMcCusker, dcorsar, zednik, jcheney, Lena, YolandaGil, Edoardo, smiles, tlebo, Vinh, Yogesh, Curt, paolo, satya, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, MacTed, trackbot, stain,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JimMcCusker, dcorsar, zednik, jcheney, Lena, YolandaGil, Edoardo, smiles, tlebo, Vinh, Yogesh, Curt, paolo, satya, Zakim, RRSAgent, Luc, MacTed, trackbot, stain, ←
15:06:16 <Zakim> ... sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro ←
15:06:23 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:06:25 <paolo> satya: reqs are completed, wiki page updated as of yesterday
Satya Sahoo: reqs are completed, wiki page updated as of yesterday ←
15:06:28 <YolandaGil> There are requirements from the XG that were written at: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/images/3/3f/RDFNextStep_ProvXG-submitted.pdf
Yolanda Gil: There are requirements from the XG that were written at: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/wiki/images/3/3f/RDFNextStep_ProvXG-submitted.pdf ←
15:07:05 <Zakim> +??P50
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P50 ←
15:07:19 <stain> paolo, are you scribing..?
Stian Soiland-Reyes: paolo, are you scribing..? ←
15:07:38 <paolo> yolanda: mentions reqs from the XG work, and those do not seem to have been included in the current iwki page
Yolanda Gil: mentions reqs from the XG work, and those do not seem to have been included in the current iwki page ←
15:08:11 <paolo> Luc: Yolanda invited to update the reqs page with content from the XG doc
Luc Moreau: Yolanda invited to update the reqs page with content from the XG doc ←
15:08:14 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:08:17 <Luc> ack yola
Luc Moreau: ack yola ←
15:08:25 <Luc> Topic: name for the standard
15:08:55 <paolo> Luc: shortlist of 3 identified last week
Luc Moreau: shortlist of 3 identified last week ←
15:09:09 <paolo> Luc: are there negative blockers amongst those?
Luc Moreau: are there negative blockers amongst those? ←
15:09:20 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:09:30 <jcheney> +q
James Cheney: +q ←
15:09:37 <YolandaGil> I know PIF as http://ccs.mit.edu/pif/: The Process Interchange Format
Yolanda Gil: I know PIF as http://ccs.mit.edu/pif/: The Process Interchange Format ←
15:09:47 <stain> that's a kind of blocker, yes
Stian Soiland-Reyes: that's a kind of blocker, yes ←
15:10:21 <tlebo> "This page was modified last by Jintae Lee on Nov. 17 '99 "
Timothy Lebo: "This page was modified last by Jintae Lee on Nov. 17 '99 " ←
15:10:33 <stain> just realised: PAST is difficult to Google
Stian Soiland-Reyes: just realised: PAST is difficult to Google ←
15:10:35 <sandro> "PLEASE NOTE: The PIF Project has been merged with the PSL (Process Specification Language) Project at NIST."
Sandro Hawke: "PLEASE NOTE: The PIF Project has been merged with the PSL (Process Specification Language) Project at NIST." ←
15:11:17 <paolo> tlebo: someone (Deb?) proposed avoiding names that are existing words, because it makes it harder to search for them
Timothy Lebo: someone (Deb?) proposed avoiding names that are existing words, because it makes it harder to search for them ←
15:11:19 <MacTed> PIL sounds like a pill, which often has negative connotation. has 130MM results on Google.
Ted Thibodeau: PIL sounds like a pill, which often has negative connotation. has 130MM results on Google. ←
15:11:19 <MacTed> PIF is a scoffing sound in American English, if not elsewhere. has 18MM results on Google.
Ted Thibodeau: PIF is a scoffing sound in American English, if not elsewhere. has 18MM results on Google. ←
15:11:19 <MacTed> PAST is a common word, which is itself problematic...
Ted Thibodeau: PAST is a common word, which is itself problematic... ←
15:11:22 <tlebo> difficulty to search for the standard, e.g. "past" is already a word.
Timothy Lebo: difficulty to search for the standard, e.g. "past" is already a word. ←
15:11:40 <Zakim> +??P63
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P63 ←
15:11:48 <jorn> zakim, ??p63 is me
Jörn Hees: zakim, ??p63 is me ←
15:11:48 <Zakim> +jorn; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←
15:11:48 <JimMcCusker> PAS, then?
James McCusker: PAS, then? ←
15:11:54 <stain> (but PASTm, PASTl etc. would be quite unique)
Stian Soiland-Reyes: (but PASTm, PASTl etc. would be quite unique) ←
15:12:03 <stain> JimMcCusker: french word
James McCusker: french word [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ] ←
15:12:12 <JimMcCusker> true.
James McCusker: true. ←
15:12:27 <MacTed> http://www.acronymfinder.com/PIF.html
Ted Thibodeau: http://www.acronymfinder.com/PIF.html ←
15:12:27 <MacTed> http://www.acronymfinder.com/PIL.html
Ted Thibodeau: http://www.acronymfinder.com/PIL.html ←
15:12:27 <MacTed> http://www.acronymfinder.com/PAST.html
Ted Thibodeau: http://www.acronymfinder.com/PAST.html ←
15:12:39 <stain> yes, w3 has very high google rating
Stian Soiland-Reyes: yes, w3 has very high google rating ←
15:12:42 <paolo> Tim: Deb concerned that existing words would make google searches less effective
Timothy Lebo: Deb concerned that existing words would make google searches less effective ←
15:12:47 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:12:50 <Luc> ack jch
Luc Moreau: ack jch ←
15:13:15 <smiles> q+
Simon Miles: q+ ←
15:13:19 <paolo> satya: neg blocker for PIL: what we have is more than just a language
Satya Sahoo: neg blocker for PIL: what we have is more than just a language ←
15:13:19 <stain> sandro, agree, and "prov\:" is a good prefix as well
Stian Soiland-Reyes: sandro, agree, and "prov\:" is a good prefix as well ←
15:13:23 <stain> prov\:Entity for instance
Stian Soiland-Reyes: prov\:Entity for instance ←
15:13:31 <MacTed> I also prefer PROV overall...
Ted Thibodeau: I also prefer PROV overall... ←
15:13:35 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:13:35 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
15:13:37 <JimMcCusker> What does PROV expand to?
James McCusker: What does PROV expand to? ←
15:13:47 <sandro> "provenance"
Sandro Hawke: "provenance" ←
15:13:53 <stain> JimMcCusker, that's the problem! But we could say Provenance Standard
Stian Soiland-Reyes: JimMcCusker, that's the problem! But we could say Provenance Standard ←
15:14:11 <paolo> Ted: all 3 of them have overlaps with existing names/acronyms. large number of results on google for all of them
Ted Thibodeau: all 3 of them have overlaps with existing names/acronyms. large number of results on google for all of them ←
15:14:16 <zednik> I also like PROV
Stephan Zednik: I also like PROV ←
15:14:26 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:14:28 <paolo> Ted: name needs not be an acronym
Ted Thibodeau: name needs not be an acronym ←
15:14:30 <tlebo> google; Prov (TM) Exam services
Timothy Lebo: google; Prov (TM) Exam services ←
15:14:30 <zednik> PROVenance standard?
Stephan Zednik: PROVenance standard? ←
15:14:33 <stain> +1 that name does not need to be an acronym
Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 that name does not need to be an acronym ←
15:14:41 <paolo> +1 for Ted -- no need to agonize over acronyms
+1 for Ted -- no need to agonize over acronyms ←
15:14:42 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:14:42 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:14:43 <JimMcCusker> PROvenance Vocabulary (with apologies to Olaf)
James McCusker: PROvenance Vocabulary (with apologies to Olaf) ←
15:15:08 <stain> take the red PIL
Stian Soiland-Reyes: take the red PIL ←
15:15:12 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:15:16 <MacTed> of course... PROV gets 93MM Google results
Ted Thibodeau: of course... PROV gets 93MM Google results ←
15:15:17 <paolo> smiles: "L" can stand for smt else than 'language" if we like the acronym
Simon Miles: "L" can stand for smt else than 'language" if we like the acronym ←
15:15:22 <smiles> ack smiles
Simon Miles: ack smiles ←
15:15:23 <JimMcCusker> q+
James McCusker: q+ ←
15:15:44 <paolo> +q
+q ←
15:15:48 <JimMcCusker> q-
James McCusker: q- ←
15:16:11 <Luc> ack pao
Luc Moreau: ack pao ←
15:16:21 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:16:45 <stain> perhaps the problem is that we voted for both short and long name at the same time.
Stian Soiland-Reyes: perhaps the problem is that we voted for both short and long name at the same time. ←
15:17:30 <stain> For instane WSDL is fairly recognizable on the internets - does not mean anything on its own, and pronounciation is something you learn at conferences
Stian Soiland-Reyes: For instane WSDL is fairly recognizable on the internets - does not mean anything on its own, and pronounciation is something you learn at conferences ←
15:17:59 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
15:18:16 <Luc> ack san
Luc Moreau: ack san ←
15:18:35 <tlebo> let's hire some marketers :-)
Timothy Lebo: let's hire some marketers :-) ←
15:18:37 <paolo> JimMcCusker would have voted for PROV
JimMcCusker would have voted for PROV ←
15:19:02 <sandro> sandro: suggests doing +/- on each one.
Sandro Hawke: suggests doing +/- on each one. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:19:20 <MacTed> ProvVoc - 21 results on Google. not an acronym.
Ted Thibodeau: ProvVoc - 21 results on Google. not an acronym. ←
15:19:21 <MacTed> :-)
Ted Thibodeau: :-) ←
15:19:30 <MacTed> pronounced "provoke"
Ted Thibodeau: pronounced "provoke" ←
15:19:40 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:19:53 <sandro> i'm sure we'll get to the top of google with PIF or PROV, but not PAST, maybe not PIL.
Sandro Hawke: i'm sure we'll get to the top of google with PIF or PROV, but not PAST, maybe not PIL. ←
15:19:58 <paolo> Luc: how do we vote
Luc Moreau: how do we vote ←
15:20:11 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:20:17 <paolo> sandro: vote for/against until we get somewhere -- min the negatives
Sandro Hawke: vote for/against until we get somewhere -- min the negatives ←
15:20:32 <Luc> Votes for PIL
Luc Moreau: Votes for PIL ←
15:20:36 <sandro> (and PIV has some real strong negatives.)
Sandro Hawke: (and PIV has some real strong negatives.) ←
15:20:42 <JimMcCusker> -1
James McCusker: -1 ←
15:20:43 <tlebo> -1
Timothy Lebo: -1 ←
15:20:45 <Lena> -1
Helena Deus: -1 ←
15:20:46 <Edoardo> -1
Edoardo (Edoardo, Edoardo_and_David) Pignotti: -1 ←
15:20:46 <Curt> -1
Curt Tilmes: -1 ←
15:20:47 <MacTed> -1
Ted Thibodeau: -1 ←
15:20:47 <dcorsar> -1
David Corsar: -1 ←
15:20:48 <Yogesh> -1
Yogesh Simmhan: -1 ←
15:20:48 <stain> 0
15:20:49 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
15:20:49 <sandro> 0
Sandro Hawke: 0 ←
15:20:53 <paolo> 0
0 ←
15:20:53 <jorn> 0
15:20:56 <zednik> -1
Stephan Zednik: -1 ←
15:21:01 <YolandaGil> 0
Yolanda Gil: 0 ←
15:21:02 <paolo> satya: -1
Satya Sahoo: -1 ←
15:21:15 <Luc> Votes for PAST
Luc Moreau: Votes for PAST ←
15:21:21 <paolo> +1
+1 ←
15:21:21 <sandro> -1 (google problems)
Sandro Hawke: -1 (google problems) ←
15:21:22 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
15:21:22 <YolandaGil> -1
Yolanda Gil: -1 ←
15:21:22 <smiles> 0
Simon Miles: 0 ←
15:21:23 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
15:21:23 <Yogesh> -1
Yogesh Simmhan: -1 ←
15:21:23 <stain> +1
Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 ←
15:21:25 <JimMcCusker> 0
James McCusker: 0 ←
15:21:26 <zednik> 0
Stephan Zednik: 0 ←
15:21:27 <Edoardo> 0
Edoardo (Edoardo, Edoardo_and_David) Pignotti: 0 ←
15:21:28 <jcheney> -1 (word)
James Cheney: -1 (word) ←
15:21:28 <Lena> +1
Helena Deus: +1 ←
15:21:30 <dcorsar> 0
David Corsar: 0 ←
15:21:31 <MacTed> -1
Ted Thibodeau: -1 ←
15:21:33 <jorn> -1
15:21:48 <Luc> Votes for PIF
Luc Moreau: Votes for PIF ←
15:21:51 <JimMcCusker> -1
James McCusker: -1 ←
15:21:53 <Yogesh> +1
Yogesh Simmhan: +1 ←
15:21:53 <YolandaGil> +1
Yolanda Gil: +1 ←
15:21:54 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
15:21:54 <stain> 0
15:21:55 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
15:21:56 <zednik> -1
Stephan Zednik: -1 ←
15:21:58 <dcorsar> +1
David Corsar: +1 ←
15:21:59 <paolo> satya: +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
15:22:00 <Curt> 0
Curt Tilmes: 0 ←
15:22:01 <Lena> +1
Helena Deus: +1 ←
15:22:01 <sandro> 0
Sandro Hawke: 0 ←
15:22:01 <Edoardo> +1
Edoardo (Edoardo, Edoardo_and_David) Pignotti: +1 ←
15:22:02 <jorn> 0
15:22:06 <MacTed> 0
Ted Thibodeau: 0 ←
15:22:07 <paolo> 0
0 ←
15:22:09 <jcheney> 0
James Cheney: 0 ←
15:22:22 <Luc> Votes for PROV
Luc Moreau: Votes for PROV ←
15:22:25 <JimMcCusker> +1
James McCusker: +1 ←
15:22:26 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:22:26 <jorn> +1
15:22:27 <stain> +1
Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 ←
15:22:27 <Vinh> +1
Vinh Nguyen: +1 ←
15:22:27 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
15:22:27 <Curt> +1
Curt Tilmes: +1 ←
15:22:28 <smiles> -1
Simon Miles: -1 ←
15:22:31 <Lena> +1
Helena Deus: +1 ←
15:22:32 <Yogesh> 0
Yogesh Simmhan: 0 ←
15:22:33 <jcheney> 0
James Cheney: 0 ←
15:22:35 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:22:36 <dcorsar> +1
David Corsar: +1 ←
15:22:36 <Zakim> + +1.509.554.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.554.aahh ←
15:22:36 <YolandaGil> +1
Yolanda Gil: +1 ←
15:22:38 <paolo> +1
+1 ←
15:22:39 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
15:22:51 <stain> wow
Stian Soiland-Reyes: wow ←
15:23:11 <paolo> Luc: strong support for PROV
Luc Moreau: strong support for PROV ←
15:23:15 <Luc> PROVIDENCE
Luc Moreau: PROVIDENCE ←
15:23:33 <paolo> Luc: concern: mixup with providence...
Luc Moreau: concern: mixup with providence... ←
15:23:37 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:23:39 <jorn> maybe we should call it PROV IL?
Jörn Hees: maybe we should call it PROV IL? ←
15:23:50 <stain> I don't get the providence mixup
Stian Soiland-Reyes: I don't get the providence mixup ←
15:23:51 <YolandaGil> I don't understand what is the problem with providence
Yolanda Gil: I don't understand what is the problem with providence ←
15:24:03 <stain> would that not be the problem with any of the P* names?
Stian Soiland-Reyes: would that not be the problem with any of the P* names? ←
15:24:18 <JimMcCusker> Yeah, I use that as a joke when I give provenance talks...
James McCusker: Yeah, I use that as a joke when I give provenance talks... ←
15:24:29 <YolandaGil> I don't see a problem, Luc!
Yolanda Gil: I don't see a problem, Luc! ←
15:24:49 <MacTed> jorn - IL stands for?
Ted Thibodeau: jorn - IL stands for? ←
15:25:03 <jorn> Interchange Language :)
Jörn Hees: Interchange Language :) ←
15:25:04 <paolo> Luc: vote on PROV alone to see if there any negs
Luc Moreau: vote on PROV alone to see if there any negs ←
15:25:34 <stain> what kind of trademark does http://www.provexam.com/ have for 'prov' ?
Stian Soiland-Reyes: what kind of trademark does http://www.provexam.com/ have for 'prov' ? ←
15:25:36 <paolo> Luc: how would this name be used in documents?
Luc Moreau: how would this name be used in documents? ←
15:25:43 <paolo> +q
+q ←
15:25:49 <JimMcCusker> foobar a prov\:Entity
James McCusker: foobar a prov\:Entity ←
15:26:10 <jorn> PROV IDM
15:26:14 <tlebo> Provenance Description and Interchange Framework?
Timothy Lebo: Provenance Description and Interchange Framework? ←
15:26:20 <stain> +1 paolo
Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 paolo ←
15:26:33 <sandro> "The Prov Data Model"
Sandro Hawke: "The Prov Data Model" ←
15:26:38 <sandro> "The Prov Data Model for Provenance Interchange"
Sandro Hawke: "The Prov Data Model for Provenance Interchange" ←
15:26:43 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:26:44 <paolo> q-
q- ←
15:27:00 <Zakim> -jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←
15:27:16 <paolo> Luc: Simon still has a formal objection?
Luc Moreau: Simon still has a formal objection? ←
15:27:18 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
15:27:37 <Zakim> + +1.915.747.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.915.747.aaii ←
15:27:43 <jorn> Zakim: ??p19 is me
15:27:48 <stain> "Provenance Rules On VVeb"
Stian Soiland-Reyes: "Provenance Rules On VVeb" ←
15:27:51 <paolo> smiles: mostly on aesthetic grounds...
Simon Miles: mostly on aesthetic grounds... ←
15:27:57 <jorn> Zakim, ??p19 is me
Jörn Hees: Zakim, ??p19 is me ←
15:27:57 <Zakim> +jorn; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←
15:28:06 <paolo> smiles: wouldn't formally object though
Simon Miles: wouldn't formally object though ←
15:28:29 <jorn> +1
15:28:32 <JimMcCusker> +1
James McCusker: +1 ←
15:28:34 <stain> +1
Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 ←
15:28:34 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:28:35 <smiles> +1
Simon Miles: +1 ←
15:28:36 <paolo> action to emails the WG announcing that PROV is the proposed name
action to emails the WG announcing that PROV is the proposed name ←
15:28:36 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - to
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - to ←
15:28:41 <zednik> +1
Stephan Zednik: +1 ←
15:29:05 <Luc> TOPIC: Primer Document
15:29:15 <Luc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Sep/0042.html
Luc Moreau: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2011Sep/0042.html ←
15:29:23 <stain> http://media.zibb.com/trademark/prov/30725511 should not be in conflict - "Education and entertainment"
Stian Soiland-Reyes: http://media.zibb.com/trademark/prov/30725511 should not be in conflict - "Education and entertainment" ←
15:29:29 <stain> (how exams are entertainment is beyond me)
Stian Soiland-Reyes: (how exams are entertainment is beyond me) ←
15:29:53 <paolo> smiles: primer should be released alongside the model doc
Simon Miles: primer should be released alongside the model doc ←
15:30:04 <paolo> smiles: would generate better feedback to us
Simon Miles: would generate better feedback to us ←
15:30:31 <paolo> smiles: as the model is still evolving, the primer would not be complete at the time of release
Simon Miles: as the model is still evolving, the primer would not be complete at the time of release ←
15:30:54 <Zakim> +??P13
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P13 ←
15:31:10 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:31:17 <paolo> smiles: would be good to have a "webby" example, doc-based like the jou example, to align well with the W3C setting where the doc belongs
Simon Miles: would be good to have a "webby" example, doc-based like the jou example, to align well with the W3C setting where the doc belongs ←
15:31:22 <MacTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
15:31:27 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:31:27 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
15:32:02 <paolo> ted: a "webby" example is good, but important also to have a completely non-webby example. Science domains, or others
Ted Thibodeau: a "webby" example is good, but important also to have a completely non-webby example. Science domains, or others ←
15:32:16 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:32:28 <Luc> ack mac
Luc Moreau: ack mac ←
15:32:33 <stain> smiles' proposal sounds reasonable, agree to not restrict to data journalism example
Stian Soiland-Reyes: smiles' proposal sounds reasonable, agree to not restrict to data journalism example ←
15:32:39 <paolo> smiles: ok, but the initial release needs to appeal to people who will provide early feedback
Simon Miles: ok, but the initial release needs to appeal to people who will provide early feedback ←
15:32:39 <zednik> q+
Stephan Zednik: q+ ←
15:33:05 <paolo> ted: agree, but that puts people in the web mindset and that may form a bias
Ted Thibodeau: agree, but that puts people in the web mindset and that may form a bias ←
15:33:31 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:33:32 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:33:39 <Zakim> + +1.216.368.aajj
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.216.368.aajj ←
15:33:42 <Zakim> - +1.706.461.aagg
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.706.461.aagg ←
15:33:52 <zednik> q-
Stephan Zednik: q- ←
15:33:53 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:34:04 <paolo> zednik: agree with Ted: danger to be perceived as provenance /of/ the web rather than /on/ the web
Stephan Zednik: agree with Ted: danger to be perceived as provenance /of/ the web rather than /on/ the web ←
15:34:13 <stain> +1 ted - some simple science (high school chemistry experiment?) example should be good
Stian Soiland-Reyes: +1 ted - some simple science (high school chemistry experiment?) example should be good ←
15:34:20 <satya> zakim, +1.216.368.aajj is me
Satya Sahoo: zakim, +1.216.368.aajj is me ←
15:34:20 <Zakim> +satya; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +satya; got it ←
15:34:52 <zednik> how about a simple scenario of the provenance of a physical object? example from library community?
Stephan Zednik: how about a simple scenario of the provenance of a physical object? example from library community? ←
15:34:53 <paolo> Luc: primer not starte yet. too ambitious to release by the end of month? some authors are busy on all other docs at the same time
Luc Moreau: primer not starte yet. too ambitious to release by the end of month? some authors are busy on all other docs at the same time ←
15:35:40 <satya> q+
Satya Sahoo: q+ ←
15:35:40 <paolo> smiles: yes, timing is tight. delayed release is a plausible option
Simon Miles: yes, timing is tight. delayed release is a plausible option ←
15:35:41 <Zakim> + +1.832.386.aakk
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.832.386.aakk ←
15:36:04 <paolo> Luc @Sandro: can docs be released without primer?
Luc @Sandro: can docs be released without primer? ←
15:36:34 <paolo> sandro: early drafts of model docs without primer is fine if for limited time
Sandro Hawke: early drafts of model docs without primer is fine if for limited time ←
15:36:42 <paolo> q+
q+ ←
15:36:43 <stain> what if we do some third party blog posts or something?
Stian Soiland-Reyes: what if we do some third party blog posts or something? ←
15:36:50 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
15:37:01 <Luc> ack sat
Luc Moreau: ack sat ←
15:37:08 <Zakim> - +1.509.554.aahh
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.509.554.aahh ←
15:38:19 <stain> paolo: that people who would be writing the primer can instead focus on filling in a complete example and challenge our model
Paolo Missier: that people who would be writing the primer can instead focus on filling in a complete example and challenge our model [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ] ←
15:38:33 <paolo> Luc: would be nice to see the ASN in use in the example
Luc Moreau: would be nice to see the ASN in use in the example ←
15:39:17 <paolo> smiles: primer needs to be understandeable -- ASN may possibly make it harder?
Simon Miles: primer needs to be understandeable -- ASN may possibly make it harder? ←
15:39:32 <Zakim> + +1.509.554.aall
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.554.aall ←
15:39:58 <paolo> smiles: there prior comments on going bottom up with small examples rather than a large big one example from the start
Simon Miles: there prior comments on going bottom up with small examples rather than a large big one example from the start ←
15:40:30 <paolo> q+
q+ ←
15:40:41 <Luc> ack pao
Luc Moreau: ack pao ←
15:41:57 <stain> I like the flow of how instance how http://www.openannotation.org/spec/beta/ starts very simple
Stian Soiland-Reyes: I like the flow of how instance how http://www.openannotation.org/spec/beta/ starts very simple ←
15:41:59 <Lena> +1
Helena Deus: +1 ←
15:42:01 <YolandaGil> I am interested Luc
Yolanda Gil: I am interested Luc ←
15:42:05 <stain> I would not mind joining
Stian Soiland-Reyes: I would not mind joining ←
15:42:09 <satya> after the release of the model document?
Satya Sahoo: after the release of the model document? ←
15:42:15 <paolo> Luc: who would contribute to the primer?
Luc Moreau: who would contribute to the primer? ←
15:42:20 <tlebo> +1
Timothy Lebo: +1 ←
15:42:24 <satya> +1
Satya Sahoo: +1 ←
15:42:25 <paolo> Paolo after model / ontology doc
Paolo after model / ontology doc ←
15:42:25 <MacTed> +1 with limited available time
Ted Thibodeau: +1 with limited available time ←
15:42:25 <zednik> I am willing to contribute (+1)
Stephan Zednik: I am willing to contribute (+1) ←
15:42:38 <stain> should not have more than say 3 authors
Stian Soiland-Reyes: should not have more than say 3 authors ←
15:42:44 <ericstephan> +1 after the connection informal report
Eric Stephan: +1 after the connection informal report ←
15:42:45 <Zakim> -jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←
15:42:57 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
15:43:03 <jorn> zakim, ??p19 is me
Jörn Hees: zakim, ??p19 is me ←
15:43:03 <Zakim> +jorn; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jorn; got it ←
15:43:03 <paolo> @stian: few editors, but no hard limit on authors...?
@stian: few editors, but no hard limit on authors...? ←
15:43:13 <stain> agree
Stian Soiland-Reyes: agree ←
15:43:26 <paolo> smiles: will put a structure up on the wiki then contact interested people
Simon Miles: will put a structure up on the wiki then contact interested people ←
15:43:40 <tlebo> The diagrams at http://www.openannotation.org/spec/beta/ are very nice
Timothy Lebo: The diagrams at http://www.openannotation.org/spec/beta/ are very nice ←
15:43:52 <Luc> topic: First Public Working Drafts
15:44:23 <paolo> Luc @sandro: formal reqs prior to releasing docs as drafts:?
Luc @sandro: formal reqs prior to releasing docs as drafts:? ←
15:45:02 <paolo> sandro: there's a page for that, but: need to get a persistent URL from W3C
Sandro Hawke: there's a page for that, but: need to get a persistent URL from W3C ←
15:45:04 <satya> @Tim: agree, can we try to use similar diagram format for the formal model draft?
Satya Sahoo: @Tim: agree, can we try to use similar diagram format for the formal model draft? ←
15:45:38 <paolo> sandro: doc needs to be validated for format / HTML -- respec should make that easy
Sandro Hawke: doc needs to be validated for format / HTML -- respec should make that easy ←
15:45:44 <paolo> luc: any editorial control?
Luc Moreau: any editorial control? ←
15:45:45 <stain> I raised the question on namespace as well for the ontology - do we know what would make sense for now?
Stian Soiland-Reyes: I raised the question on namespace as well for the ontology - do we know what would make sense for now? ←
15:46:35 <paolo> sandro: status of specs: a very briefly explanation of what the draft is about
Sandro Hawke: status of specs: a very briefly explanation of what the draft is about ←
15:46:58 <tlebo> @satya: very much so. I'll use it to base the diagrams I am doing for model documetn
Timothy Lebo: @satya: very much so. I'll use it to base the diagrams I am doing for model documetn ←
15:47:07 <paolo> Sandro: need a group resolution to publish, and need to point to it when requesting release
Sandro Hawke: need a group resolution to publish, and need to point to it when requesting release ←
15:48:13 <sandro> Here's the check list for publication: http://www.w3.org/Guide/transitions
Sandro Hawke: Here's the check list for publication: http://www.w3.org/Guide/transitions ←
15:49:31 <Lena> +q
Helena Deus: +q ←
15:50:03 <paolo> Paolo: release timetable as agreed: Sept 16th then Sept 29 for approval
Paolo Missier: release timetable as agreed: Sept 16th then Sept 29 for approval ←
15:50:24 <paolo> satya: requesting sept 19th, then feedback cycle, then Sept 29th for approval
Satya Sahoo: requesting sept 19th, then feedback cycle, then Sept 29th for approval ←
15:50:35 <paolo> q+
q+ ←
15:50:41 <Luc> ack len
Luc Moreau: ack len ←
15:51:09 <paolo> Lena: should we include security elements (authz) in the model/ontology?
Helena Deus: should we include security elements (authz) in the model/ontology? ←
15:51:28 <paolo> Lena: scope of model should be clear, i.e., authz out of scope
Helena Deus: scope of model should be clear, i.e., authz out of scope ←
15:51:34 <smiles> q+
Simon Miles: q+ ←
15:51:47 <tlebo> lena: conneg and authorization; survey results show people confuse provenance and authorization
Helena Deus: conneg and authorization; survey results show people confuse provenance and authorization [ Scribe Assist by Timothy Lebo ] ←
15:51:54 <Luc> ack pao
Luc Moreau: ack pao ←
15:53:40 <Luc> ack sm
Luc Moreau: ack sm ←
15:54:43 <paolo> smiles @lena: the authz issue is on whether we trust what happened in the past, may not be out of scope after all
smiles @lena: the authz issue is on whether we trust what happened in the past, may not be out of scope after all ←
15:54:54 <satya> q+
Satya Sahoo: q+ ←
15:55:17 <paolo> luc: first working draft offers a first look at our work, so this can be raised as a missing element that should be added
Luc Moreau: first working draft offers a first look at our work, so this can be raised as a missing element that should be added ←
15:55:31 <Luc> ack satya
Luc Moreau: ack satya ←
15:55:36 <paolo> satya: important not to go into the derivation part of provenance in this group
Satya Sahoo: important not to go into the derivation part of provenance in this group ←
15:55:55 <Luc> Topic: Formal Model document
15:56:49 <paolo> satya: updates will be made this week, only a few people attended previous meeting.
Satya Sahoo: updates will be made this week, only a few people attended previous meeting. ←
15:56:56 <tlebo> q+
Timothy Lebo: q+ ←
15:57:06 <paolo> satya: entailments and extension mechanisms will be addressed next
Satya Sahoo: entailments and extension mechanisms will be addressed next ←
15:57:27 <tlebo> (should Stian work from the main branch in mercuruial?)
Timothy Lebo: (should Stian work from the main branch in mercuruial?) ←
15:57:34 <paolo> satya: soliciting feedback at this stage, as Stian provided.
Satya Sahoo: soliciting feedback at this stage, as Stian provided. ←
15:57:37 <Luc> ack tl
Luc Moreau: ack tl ←
15:57:52 <paolo> satya: need to get the RDF encoding for the file crime scenario right as it is normative
Satya Sahoo: need to get the RDF encoding for the file crime scenario right as it is normative ←
15:58:25 <Zakim> -jorn
Zakim IRC Bot: -jorn ←
15:58:30 <stain> I just asked was if I should edit directly on the head branch or a sepearate feature branch
Stian Soiland-Reyes: I just asked was if I should edit directly on the head branch or a sepearate feature branch ←
15:58:31 <satya> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology
Satya Sahoo: http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology ←
15:59:06 <paolo> q+
q+ ←
15:59:24 <Luc> ack paol
Luc Moreau: ack paol ←
15:59:38 <satya> Monday US 12pm ET
Satya Sahoo: Monday US 12pm ET ←
16:00:05 <tlebo> @stain, I think that is a weak "yes", join the head branch.
Timothy Lebo: @stain, I think that is a weak "yes", join the head branch. ←
16:00:24 <paolo> satya: that was the time for the regular ontology call (skype)
Satya Sahoo: that was the time for the regular ontology call (skype) ←
16:00:59 <Zakim> +??P45
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P45 ←
16:01:10 <paolo> satya: no complete agreement on how to express entities.
Satya Sahoo: no complete agreement on how to express entities. ←
16:01:45 <Zakim> -??P10
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P10 ←
16:01:50 <paolo> what is the id criteria to distinguish entities? (ref to the cars example)
what is the id criteria to distinguish entities? (ref to the cars example) ←
16:03:17 <paolo> satya: what are the distinguishing attributes for different entities that refer to the same characterized thing
Satya Sahoo: what are the distinguishing attributes for different entities that refer to the same characterized thing ←
16:03:45 <Zakim> -[ISI]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[ISI] ←
16:04:19 <paolo> luc: there may be different perspectives about the "same car". each of them is asserted as an entity
Luc Moreau: there may be different perspectives about the "same car". each of them is asserted as an entity ←
16:04:38 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
16:05:30 <paolo> paolo @satya: long ago the URI used to be called a "surrogate key"...
paolo @satya: long ago the URI used to be called a "surrogate key"... ←
16:05:39 <Zakim> - +1.915.747.aaii
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.915.747.aaii ←
16:05:57 <Zakim> - +1.832.386.aakk
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.832.386.aakk ←
16:06:10 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
16:06:10 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
16:06:12 <MacTed> q+
Ted Thibodeau: q+ ←
16:07:01 <Zakim> -Yogesh
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yogesh ←
16:07:10 <JimMcCusker> q+
James McCusker: q+ ←
16:07:25 <Zakim> + +1.518.633.aamm
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.633.aamm ←
16:09:13 <Luc> ack mac
Luc Moreau: ack mac ←
16:09:23 <Luc> ack jim
Luc Moreau: ack jim ←
16:09:56 <stain> satya, I'll push my changes to the OWL file if that's OK. I've fixed the verbs and labels.
Stian Soiland-Reyes: satya, I'll push my changes to the OWL file if that's OK. I've fixed the verbs and labels. ←
16:10:06 <stain> not touched the HTML but can do a search replace
Stian Soiland-Reyes: not touched the HTML but can do a search replace ←
16:10:10 <Zakim> -??P45
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P45 ←
16:10:12 <satya> @Stian, thanks!
Satya Sahoo: @Stian, thanks! ←
16:10:40 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:11:15 <stain> satya: do you agree on making hadParticipant super-property of used and wasControlledBy ?
Satya Sahoo: do you agree on making hadParticipant super-property of used and wasControlledBy ? [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ] ←
16:11:32 <paolo> luc @smiles: would the car example be suitable for the primar?
luc @smiles: would the car example be suitable for the primar? ←
16:12:02 <paolo> smiles: potentially yes, to explain what we mean by entity etc, identifying attributes, etc.
Simon Miles: potentially yes, to explain what we mean by entity etc, identifying attributes, etc. ←
16:12:06 <Luc> q?
Luc Moreau: q? ←
16:12:06 <stain> satya: that does not cover the case of compliments - some OWL expert can figure that out
Satya Sahoo: that does not cover the case of compliments - some OWL expert can figure that out [ Scribe Assist by Stian Soiland-Reyes ] ←
16:12:09 <satya> @Stian: I had asserted that earlier, but some members want further discussion about it - so they are not related
Satya Sahoo: @Stian: I had asserted that earlier, but some members want further discussion about it - so they are not related ←
16:12:21 <Zakim> -satya
Zakim IRC Bot: -satya ←
16:12:22 <Zakim> -??P50
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P50 ←
16:12:22 <Zakim> -paolo
Zakim IRC Bot: -paolo ←
16:12:24 <Zakim> - +1.509.554.aall
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.509.554.aall ←
16:12:24 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:12:25 <Zakim> -??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P9 ←
16:12:25 <Zakim> -tlebo
Zakim IRC Bot: -tlebo ←
16:12:26 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
16:12:30 <Zakim> -Curt
Zakim IRC Bot: -Curt ←
16:12:32 <Zakim> -Vinh
Zakim IRC Bot: -Vinh ←
16:12:34 <Luc> paolo, i will do the necessary incantation here
Luc Moreau: paolo, i will do the necessary incantation here ←
16:12:39 <paolo> ok thanks
ok thanks ←
16:12:41 <stain> @Satya - ok, will leave that out
Stian Soiland-Reyes: @Satya - ok, will leave that out ←
16:12:41 <Zakim> -Luc
Zakim IRC Bot: -Luc ←
16:12:42 <stain> bye
Stian Soiland-Reyes: bye ←
16:12:44 <Luc> thanks for scribing
Luc Moreau: thanks for scribing ←
16:12:46 <Zakim> - +1.518.633.aamm
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.518.633.aamm ←
16:12:47 <Zakim> -jcheney
Zakim IRC Bot: -jcheney ←
16:12:58 <ericstephan> bye
Eric Stephan: bye ←
16:12:58 <Zakim> -stain
Zakim IRC Bot: -stain ←
16:13:02 <Luc> rrsagent, set log public
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, set log public ←
16:13:11 <Luc> rrsagent, draft minutes
Luc Moreau: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:13:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-prov-minutes.html Luc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-prov-minutes.html Luc ←
16:13:19 <Luc> trackbot, end telcon
Luc Moreau: trackbot, end telcon ←
16:13:19 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:13:19 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been paolo, Curt, Luc, +1.540.449.aabb, Yogesh, stain, +1.315.723.aadd, Vinh, tlebo, MacTed, [ISI], Sandro, jcheney, +1.518.633.aaff,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been paolo, Curt, Luc, +1.540.449.aabb, Yogesh, stain, +1.315.723.aadd, Vinh, tlebo, MacTed, [ISI], Sandro, jcheney, +1.518.633.aaff, ←
16:13:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:13:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-prov-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/08-prov-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:13:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:13:21 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
16:13:22 <Zakim> ... +1.706.461.aagg, jorn, +1.509.554.aahh, +1.915.747.aaii, satya, +1.832.386.aakk, +1.509.554.aall, +1.518.633.aamm
Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.706.461.aagg, jorn, +1.509.554.aahh, +1.915.747.aaii, satya, +1.832.386.aakk, +1.509.554.aall, +1.518.633.aamm ←
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This revision (#1) generated 2011-09-08 16:20:57 UTC by 'unknown', comments: 'edited nicknames'