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<BenediktKaempgen> present: Benedikt Kaempgen, Bernadette Hyland, Dan Gillman, David Smith, George Thomas, Gerald Steeman, Ghislain Atemezing, Hadley Beeman, John Erickson, Luis Bermudez, Raphaël Troncy, Ronald Reck, Sandro Hawke, Tina Gheen, Martín Álvarez, Michael Pendleton, Yigal Arens 14:52:52 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #gld 14:52:52 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-gld-irc 14:52:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 14:52:54 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #gld 14:52:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV_GLD 14:52:56 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 14:52:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 14:52:57 <trackbot> Date: 15 December 2011 14:53:00 <sandro> zakim, this will be gld 14:53:01 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes 14:53:43 <BenediktKaempgen> hello 14:55:51 <BenediktKaempgen> Scribe: BenediktKaempgen 14:56:15 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has now started 14:56:22 <Zakim> +davidwood 14:56:29 <bhyland> zakim, davidwood is me 14:56:29 <Zakim> +bhyland; got it 14:56:53 <olyerickson> olyerickson has joined #GLD 14:57:08 <Zakim> +George 14:57:13 <Zakim> +[IPcaller] 14:57:17 <olyerickson> I'll be on in a second... busy day at #TWCRPI ;) 14:57:28 <George> George has joined #gld 14:57:39 <bhyland> If anyone wanted to share what RDF is with their kids, here is something fun for you to share, see http://3roundstones.com/linked-data-101/rdf-explained/ 14:57:40 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman 14:58:09 <gatemezin> gatemezin has joined #gld 14:58:29 <BenediktKaempgen> rrsagent, make records public 14:58:42 <BenediktKaempgen> Scribe: BenediktKaempgen 14:58:50 <BenediktKaempgen> Chair: bhyland 14:59:17 <Mike_Pendleton> Mike_Pendleton has joined #gld 14:59:31 <tgheen> tgheen has joined #gld 14:59:32 <martin> martin has joined #gld 14:59:55 <Zakim> + +1.202.566.aaaa 15:00:04 <BenediktKaempgen> trackbot-ng, start telcon 15:00:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world 15:00:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV_GLD 15:00:08 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 15:00:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference 15:00:09 <trackbot> Date: 15 December 2011 15:00:24 <BenediktKaempgen> scribe: BenediktKaempgen 15:00:34 <BenediktKaempgen> chair: bhyland 15:00:43 <LuisBermudez> LuisBermudez has joined #gld 15:00:46 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 15:00:46 <Zakim> I notice T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has restarted 15:00:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, George, [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, +1.202.566.aaaa, [LC] 15:00:58 <bhyland> Did we just kicked off the call? 15:01:03 <tgheen> Zakim, [LC] is me 15:01:03 <Zakim> +tgheen; got it 15:01:09 <Zakim> +sandro 15:01:17 <Zakim> + +1.267.481.aabb 15:01:26 <Zakim> +raphael 15:01:30 <Zakim> +DanG 15:01:32 <bhyland> zakim, aaaa is Mike_Pendleton <BenediktKaempgen> Michael Pendleton nick Mike_Pendleton 15:01:32 <Zakim> +Mike_Pendleton; got it 15:01:38 <BenediktKaempgen> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.12.15#Agenda 15:01:47 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 15:01:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, George, [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, Mike_Pendleton, tgheen, sandro, +1.267.481.aabb, raphael, DanG 15:02:08 <DanG> DanG has joined #gld 15:02:25 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, aabb is luisbermudez 15:02:27 <Zakim> +luisbermudez; got it 15:02:31 <bhyland> zakim, aabb is LuisBemudez 15:02:34 <Zakim> sorry, bhyland, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb' 15:02:40 <rreck> rreck has joined #GLD 15:02:45 <BenediktKaempgen> BenediktKaempgen is connected through Skype. Hope it will stay connected. 15:03:32 <Zakim> +??P38 15:03:34 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: one more call on 22nd of December? 15:03:37 <HadleyBeeman> I'm travelling on 22 Dec, unfortunately 15:03:49 <George> I can make the 22nd 15:03:51 <gatemezin> q+ 15:03:54 <Druidsmith> Druidsmith has joined #gld 15:03:55 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call? 15:03:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, George, [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, Mike_Pendleton, tgheen, sandro, luisbermudez, raphael, DanG, ??P38 15:04:03 <Zakim> -??P38 15:04:05 <BenediktKaempgen> I cannot 15:04:14 <Zakim> +??P38 15:04:18 <gatemezin> I can make also on the 22nd 15:04:22 <GeraldSteeman> GeraldSteeman has joined #GLD 15:04:29 <Zakim> +rreck 15:04:34 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, ?p38 is BenediktKaempgen 15:04:34 <Zakim> sorry, HadleyBeeman, I do not recognize a party named '?p38' 15:04:38 <DanG> I probably can't attend next week. Don't count on me. 15:04:43 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, p38 is benediktkempgen 15:04:43 <Zakim> sorry, HadleyBeeman, I do not recognize a party named 'p38' 15:05:00 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, +??P38 is BenediktKaempgen 15:05:01 <Zakim> sorry, HadleyBeeman, I do not recognize a party named '+??P38' 15:05:05 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who's here 15:05:05 <Zakim> HadleyBeeman, you need to end that query with '?' 15:05:09 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who's here? 15:05:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, George, [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, Mike_Pendleton, tgheen, sandro, luisbermudez, raphael, DanG, ??P38, rreck 15:05:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see GeraldSteeman, Druidsmith, rreck, DanG, LuisBermudez, martin, tgheen, Mike_Pendleton, gatemezin, George, olyerickson, Zakim, RRSAgent, HadleyBeeman, BenediktKaempgen, 15:05:14 <BenediktKaempgen> Accept last minutes? 15:05:16 <Zakim> ... trackbot, bhyland, danbri, sandro 15:05:22 <Zakim> +??P41 15:05:31 <martin> zakim, mute me 15:05:32 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, ??P38 is BenediktKaempgen 15:05:35 <Zakim> sorry, martin, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you 15:05:39 <Zakim> +benediktkempgen; got it 15:05:40 <BenediktKaempgen> PROPOSED: accept minutes 15:05:46 <martin> zakim, ??p41 is me 15:05:46 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who's here? 15:05:47 <Zakim> +martin; got it 15:05:47 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2011-12-08 15:05:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, George, [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, Mike_Pendleton, tgheen, sandro, luisbermudez, raphael, DanG, benediktkempgen, rreck, martin 15:05:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see GeraldSteeman, Druidsmith, rreck, DanG, LuisBermudez, martin, tgheen, Mike_Pendleton, gatemezin, George, olyerickson, Zakim, RRSAgent, HadleyBeeman, BenediktKaempgen, 15:06:01 <Zakim> ... trackbot, bhyland, danbri, sandro 15:06:08 <George> confirmed :) 15:06:14 <gatemezin> +1 15:06:21 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone? 15:06:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, George, [IPcaller], HadleyBeeman, Mike_Pendleton, tgheen, sandro, luisbermudez, raphael, DanG, benediktkempgen, rreck, martin 15:06:22 <George> +1 15:06:23 <Yigal> Yigal has joined #gld 15:06:26 <sandro> zakim, who is talking? 15:06:37 <rreck> someone is breathing quite loudly 15:06:37 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (5%), George (29%) 15:06:45 <Zakim> +GeraldSteeman 15:06:53 <bhyland> Action Item review, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/open 15:06:53 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Item 15:07:18 <sandro> zakim, who is talking? 15:07:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a] 15:07:21 <BenediktKaempgen> minutes accepted? 15:07:22 <bhyland> zakim, who is speaking? 15:07:29 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (5%), benediktkempgen (8%), ??P46 (5%) 15:07:34 <Yigal> zakim, IPcaller.a i sme 15:07:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'IPcaller.a i sme', Yigal 15:07:39 <Zakim> bhyland, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (18%), sandro (15%), benediktkempgen (5%), [IPcaller.a] (9%) 15:07:44 <Yigal> zakim, IPcaller.a is me 15:07:45 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it 15:07:53 <BenediktKaempgen> I am muted. 15:07:55 <sandro> zakim, mute BenediktKaempgen 15:07:56 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not know which phone connection belongs to BenediktKaempgen 15:08:06 <sandro> Zakim, mute benediktkempgen 15:08:06 <Zakim> benediktkempgen should now be muted 15:08:12 <bhyland> zakim, who is talking? 15:08:13 <sandro> zakim, mute IPcaller.a 15:08:13 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not know which phone connection belongs to IPcaller.a 15:08:21 <Zakim> +DruidSmith_ 15:08:22 <Zakim> bhyland, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: sandro (14%) 15:08:23 <gatemezin> Zakim, mute gatemezin 15:08:23 <Zakim> sorry, gatemezin, I do not know which phone connection belongs to gatemezin 15:08:23 <sandro> zakim, who is making noise? 15:08:25 <martin> zakim, who is muted? 15:08:25 <Zakim> I see benediktkempgen muted 15:08:34 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: DruidSmith_ (60%), bhyland (44%), sandro (33%) 15:08:45 <sandro> zakim, mute Druidsmith_ 15:08:45 <Zakim> DruidSmith_ should now be muted 15:08:47 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aacc 15:08:55 <olyerickson> zakim aacc is me 15:08:55 <gatemezin> Zakim, mute raphael 15:08:57 <Zakim> raphael should now be muted 15:09:01 <sandro> zakim, who is muted? 15:09:01 <Zakim> I see raphael, benediktkempgen, DruidSmith_ muted 15:09:12 <olyerickson> zakim, aacc is me. 15:09:12 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it 15:09:20 <olyerickson> the noise is NOT me 15:09:35 <GeraldSteeman> * The Zakim bridge has the capability to mute conferees. (Muting blocks sound on a conferee's line from being heard on the conference.) Conferees can mute themselves by dialing 61#. In that case, unmute is 60#. 15:09:43 <BenediktKaempgen> RESOLVED: accept minutes 15:10:10 <rreck> zakim, mute me 15:10:11 <Zakim> rreck should now be muted 15:10:12 <BenediktKaempgen> Topic: Open Actions <BenediktKaempgen> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/open 15:10:20 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/9 15:10:39 <DanG> I muted for a few seconds, but the sound continued anyway. 15:10:46 <bhyland> zakim, who is a talking? 15:10:46 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, bhyland. 15:10:51 <gatemezin> bhyland: action-9 still open 15:11:13 <gatemezin> s/acton/action 15:11:24 <sandro> zakim, mute martin 15:11:24 <Zakim> martin should now be muted 15:11:35 <sandro> martin, it was you making the noise. 15:12:00 <rreck> zakim, unmute me 15:12:01 <Zakim> rreck should no longer be muted 15:12:02 <BenediktKaempgen> action-13 will be send soon 15:12:02 <trackbot> ACTION-13 Post OGV docs as input to GLD on GLD wiki notes added 15:12:06 <sandro> zakim, who is muted? 15:12:06 <Zakim> I see raphael, benediktkempgen, martin, DruidSmith_ muted 15:12:17 <sandro> Zakim, unmute benediktkempgen 15:12:17 <Zakim> benediktkempgen should no longer be muted 15:12:23 <sandro> zakim, unmute DruidSmith_ 15:12:23 <Zakim> DruidSmith_ should no longer be muted 15:12:31 <gatemezin> ??: will send documents for action-13 very soon 15:12:39 <sandro> s/??/DanG/ 15:13:02 <Zakim> -benediktkempgen 15:13:45 <gatemezin> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/16 15:13:46 <rreck> can i be involved in that please? 15:13:59 <BenediktKaempgen> thanks gatemezin 15:14:01 <gatemezin> bhyland: discussion started 15:14:04 <rreck> my good friend Ken Sall talks to me about NIEM all the time 15:14:20 <BenediktKaempgen> topic: Action Items 15:14:37 <rreck> let's hope it doesnt use anonymous nodes 15:14:43 <gatemezin> ... with Cory.. planning to model and use of conversion programme to RDF 15:14:55 <BenediktKaempgen> ... not sure whether good rdf 15:15:17 <gatemezin> action-16 is closed 15:15:44 <BenediktKaempgen> subtopic: action-18 15:15:48 <sandro> close action-16 15:15:48 <trackbot> ACTION-16 Agreed to facilitate NIEM discussion and get outline started working with bhyland. closed 15:16:13 <BenediktKaempgen> olyerickson: action item community draft supersedes it? 15:16:28 <gatemezin> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/18 15:16:32 <bhyland> ACTION-18 Agreed to facilitate initial wiki draft on Vocab page on VCAT. 15:16:33 <trackbot> ACTION-18 Agreed to facilitate initial wiki draft on Vocab page on VCAT. notes added 15:16:50 <BenediktKaempgen> olyerickson: what means wiki draft? 15:16:51 <BenediktKaempgen> ? 15:17:13 <gatemezin> ??: create a Community draft for that, it is the focus 15:17:33 <gatemezin> ... may be that action should be closed 15:17:47 <BenediktKaempgen> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/open 15:18:16 <gatemezin> s/??/olyerickson 15:18:39 <BenediktKaempgen> olyerickson: vcat, ok. 15:19:02 <BenediktKaempgen> ... remains open 15:19:27 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: olyerickson please ping George or bhyland to clarify 15:19:45 <DanG> I posted the Open Government Vocabularies documents on 7 December 15:19:48 <BenediktKaempgen> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/20 15:20:01 <BenediktKaempgen> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/21 15:20:03 <gatemezin> action-20 still open 15:20:24 <BenediktKaempgen> action-21 will be talked about later 15:20:41 <BenediktKaempgen> subtopic: action-22 15:20:44 <gatemezin> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/22 15:20:59 <BenediktKaempgen> ??: wiki content will be synthesized 15:21:15 <BenediktKaempgen> ... will have something relatively substantial. 15:21:26 <gatemezin> s/??/rreck 15:21:40 <BenediktKaempgen> action-23 - anyone heard from TopQuadrant, apparently none 15:22:00 <BenediktKaempgen> action-24 - community draft, dcat 15:22:02 <gatemezin> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/24 15:22:24 <BenediktKaempgen> olyerickson: should be done rather soon 15:22:48 <BenediktKaempgen> ... sill some issues in discussion, e.g., language issue 15:22:49 <gatemezin> ??: still have some issues in discussion, like the language issue 15:23:19 <gatemezin> s/??/olyerickson 15:23:34 <gatemezin> s/olyerrickson/olyerickson 15:23:56 <BenediktKaempgen> ... people might be surprised that not much has changed 15:24:13 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: enough open discussion 15:24:26 <BenediktKaempgen> olyerickson: yes, there was some discussion 15:24:43 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: waht does the deadline mean? 15:24:47 <George> that's a semic.eu deadline i believe 15:25:11 <BenediktKaempgen> olyerickson: put something readable on W3C page 15:25:26 <gatemezin> s/waht/what 15:25:47 <BenediktKaempgen> action-25 15:25:49 <bhyland> https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/25 15:26:21 <BenediktKaempgen> George: part of data.gov discussion. 15:26:33 <BenediktKaempgen> Relevant to procurement section, therefore included. 15:26:51 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Should be easy for Richard to recapture 15:27:02 <olyerickson> Re DCAT discussions, see e.g. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2011Dec/thread.html 15:27:28 <BenediktKaempgen> action-26 - what does the action mean? 15:27:37 <sandro> action-26? 15:27:37 <trackbot> ACTION-26 -- Bernadette Hyland to pull the list of things to check and notify the group -- due 2011-12-15 -- OPEN 15:27:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/actions/26 15:27:39 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: maybe f2f? 15:28:02 <BenediktKaempgen> ... scribes please create understandable action items 15:28:03 <olyerickson> ... notice the dcat:language thread 15:28:15 <BenediktKaempgen> topic: Community Directory update 15:28:18 <bhyland> http://dir.w3.org/ 15:28:27 <trackbot> ACTION-26 Pull the list of things to check and notify the group notes added 15:28:33 <bhyland> Stats on community directory, http://dir.w3.org/page/number-of-organizations-by-country.xhtml?view 15:28:44 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: stats are interesting 15:29:08 <BenediktKaempgen> ... information about deployments is not necessarily understandable 15:29:19 <BenediktKaempgen> ... more feedback appreciated 15:29:26 <BenediktKaempgen> ... ?? is much into it 15:29:57 <BenediktKaempgen> ... aim - vibrant list of what each one in the group is doing 15:30:10 <bhyland> Someone suggested adding this, http://www4.wiwiss.fu-berlin.de/latc/toollibrary/ 15:30:31 <BenediktKaempgen> ... maybe maintained by DERI folks? 15:31:01 <George> chris bizer - most of these tools appear to be what's in http://stack.lod2.eu 15:31:09 <BenediktKaempgen> ... makes it sense to reach out to them? 15:31:35 <BenediktKaempgen> up to 200 companies that do something with Linked Data 15:32:11 <BenediktKaempgen> George: thinks, yes, we should contact them. 15:32:17 <BenediktKaempgen> olyerickson: thinks so, too. <BenediktKaempgen> Topic: Best Practices update 15:32:18 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Summary 15:32:27 <gatemezin> +1 15:32:32 <BenediktKaempgen> Topic: Best Practices update 15:32:58 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: please make clear if you work on the wiki. Provide links and update. 15:33:33 <BenediktKaempgen> michael: give preliminary overview. During next weeks. John Sherridon will be asked. 15:33:53 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: John Sherridon will have a lot to say about this. 15:34:01 <bhyland> s/Sherridon/Sheridan 15:34:34 <BenediktKaempgen> s/mike/Mike_Pendleton 15:34:48 <BenediktKaempgen> subtopic: Vocabulary Selection update 15:35:06 <gatemezin> q+ 15:35:07 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: anything happening with this? 15:35:15 <BenediktKaempgen> ... none on the call 15:35:30 <BenediktKaempgen> subtopic: URI Construction update 15:35:42 <bhyland> subtopic: Stability, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Summary#2.2.5_Stability 15:35:43 <gatemezin> Zakim, unmeted raphael 15:35:43 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmeted raphael', gatemezin 15:36:03 <gatemezin> Zakim, raphael unmuted 15:36:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'raphael unmuted', gatemezin 15:36:04 <BenediktKaempgen> Ron: Trying to figure out what is missing. 15:36:16 <BenediktKaempgen> ... problem space needs to be defined 15:36:48 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: does rather look like a draft not descriptive enough 15:36:50 <gatemezin> Zakim, who is muted? 15:36:50 <Zakim> I see raphael, martin muted 15:37:15 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: any guidance? 15:37:32 <bhyland> Ron referred to another page, I think it is http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Stability 15:38:03 <bhyland> Includes discussion of "conservation", "preservation of access" and "preservation of content" 15:38:19 <George> is this http://www.mementoweb.org/ relevant? 15:38:26 <BenediktKaempgen> Ron: topics - conservation, preservation of access, preservation of content 15:38:36 <bhyland> q? 15:38:42 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: sounds good. 15:39:03 <bhyland> Recommend you look at this page for ideas on suggesting best practices, http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-mwabp-20101214/ 15:39:31 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: has been useful for the cook book also 15:40:27 <BenediktKaempgen> ... really short but gives good pointers 15:40:48 <BenediktKaempgen> ... a starting point 15:41:05 <BenediktKaempgen> Ron: Struggling rather with organisation and writing in descriptive manner 15:41:09 <bhyland> q? 15:41:12 <BenediktKaempgen> than with the content. 15:41:23 <gatemezin> q+ 15:41:28 <bhyland> ack gatemezin 15:41:35 <sandro> zakim, who is muted? 15:41:35 <Zakim> I see raphael, martin muted 15:41:45 <gatemezin> who can unmuted me? 15:41:59 <olyerickson> +1 to format in http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-mwabp-20101214/ 15:42:13 <gatemezin> please asgain? 15:42:23 <George> press 4 1 # 15:42:45 <gatemezin> sorry... 15:42:52 <BenediktKaempgen> subtopic: Cook book 15:43:01 <BenediktKaempgen> hyland: boris and I have added something, but more needs to be done 15:43:11 <BenediktKaempgen> topic: Schedule & milestones review 15:43:14 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter 15:43:30 <gatemezin> zakim, who is muted? 15:43:30 <Zakim> I see raphael, martin muted 15:43:33 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: Some things to do in December. 15:44:18 <BenediktKaempgen> ... bhyland: f2f in January. Anyone wants to comment? 15:44:23 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter#timeline 15:44:41 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Someone wants to share thoughts? 15:44:54 <MacTed> MacTed has joined #gld 15:44:54 <BenediktKaempgen> Sandro: Middle ground regarding size. 15:45:09 <bhyland> That is Sandro speaking, not George 15:45:17 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Difficult to balance. 15:45:24 <gatemezin> s/George/Sandro 15:45:28 <BenediktKaempgen> thanks 15:45:32 <bhyland> np 15:45:55 <BenediktKaempgen> ??: did not know what to expect 15:45:59 <GeraldSteeman> All new to me as well. Not sure where to plug in. 15:46:02 <sandro> s/??/DanG/ 15:46:05 <bhyland> DanG: RE: making progress & meeting deliverables, I haven't been one of these before & don't know what to expect 15:46:16 <olyerickson> I think it's about what I expected...simply dealing with multiple time demands 15:47:14 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: more often technical aspects, which helps with guidance. This is quite a different WG. 15:47:30 <olyerickson> I do think that "critical mass" is an issue, since the group has several important deliverables and they only slightly overlap, thus requiring multiple sub-groups/teams working on individual tasks 15:47:33 <BenediktKaempgen> ... we have a lot of invited experts. 15:47:45 <Yigal> Same here. I haven't been that involved -- but my intention was to become better acquainted with this community, and to find places where I *can* contribute. 15:48:16 <BenediktKaempgen> ... More about pulling things together and checking whether up-to-date. 15:48:36 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Trying less to create new things. 15:49:00 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Recommends all to put together efforts. People are looking for help with Linked Data. 15:49:03 <sandro> q? 15:49:37 <BenediktKaempgen> Sandro: Are there people on the call that do not know where to help? 15:50:16 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: cendi talk or similar are very useful for the group. 15:50:38 <BenediktKaempgen> ... encourages all to make available such information 15:50:53 <GeraldSteeman> Will do. 15:51:00 <gatemezin> Who is Cendi? any pointer? 15:51:30 <GeraldSteeman> http://cendi.gov 15:51:51 <gatemezin> @GeralSteeman: Thanks 15:52:02 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: cendi is user's group of it people that are interested in preservation of science information 15:52:22 <BenediktKaempgen> ... very interesting use cases. bhyland gave talk about rdf. 15:52:27 <GeraldSteeman> http://cendi.gov/minutes/pa_1111.html 15:52:32 <tgheen> @bernadette: Walt Warnick at Dept of Energy still wants to talk to you 15:52:47 <BenediktKaempgen> topic: F2F2 Plans 15:52:38 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2 15:53:23 <gatemezin> ??: not have an answer today 15:53:46 <BenediktKaempgen> DanG: Need to start F2F very early morning. Caviat. May make offer untenable. 15:54:02 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: maybe start f2f later 15:54:07 <gatemezin> s/??/DanG 15:54:28 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: 5 hour time difference is a problem 15:54:45 <BenediktKaempgen> DanG: Security is not an issue. 15:55:06 <BenediktKaempgen> DanG: tries to have a resolution today. 15:55:13 <bhyland> ACTION: DanG to confirm when US Bureau of Labor Stats can be open for our meeting 15:55:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-27 - Confirm when US Bureau of Labor Stats can be open for our meeting [on Dan Gillman - due 2011-12-22]. 15:56:13 <Yigal> What is the address for the BLS, by the way? 15:56:31 <bhyland> It is work on the part of the hosts so we should confirm attendance, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2#Who 15:56:35 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: Anyone interested to confirm that he/she will be there? 15:56:56 <BenediktKaempgen> Benedikt will participate at DERI. 15:56:59 <gatemezin> I confirm that I'll be there... 15:57:22 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: community building would be very helpful for deliverables. 15:57:27 <gatemezin> My organization needs the agenda for administrative protocole 15:57:59 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: versioning, legacy part in charter needs to be better framed. 15:58:22 <cygri> cygri has joined #gld 15:58:25 <BenediktKaempgen> ... will be taking it to the mailing list 15:58:35 <olyerickson> No announcements at this time ;) 15:58:47 <gatemezin> So, finally we meet next week? 15:59:11 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: many calls 15:59:25 <gatemezin> +1 15:59:26 <sandro> I can make it 15:59:33 <GeraldSteeman> i can 15:59:37 <gatemezin> I can 15:59:38 <BenediktKaempgen> I cannot, sorry. 15:59:49 <olyerickson> I can make it to the call 16:00:19 <Michael Pendleton> I can make it 16:00:22 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: We will have a call next week. Half a dozen people is good. 16:01:12 <BenediktKaempgen> ... lots of things discuss (f2f, f2f venue, framing of charter topics) 16:01:34 <gatemezin> thanks!! 16:01:39 <BenediktKaempgen> thanks! 16:01:39 <Yigal> Yigal has left #gld 16:01:40 <rreck> bubye 16:01:58 <Zakim> -Mike_Pendleton 16:02:01 <Zakim> -martin 16:02:03 <Zakim> -olyerickson 16:02:04 <bhyland> DanG: Please add name of any hotel that may have gov't rate on offer, you can update http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2 16:02:05 <Zakim> -DanG 16:02:07 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman 16:02:07 <bhyland> thanks 16:02:11 <Zakim> -DruidSmith_ 16:02:15 <Zakim> -luisbermudez 16:02:19 <Zakim> -Yigal 16:02:21 <Zakim> -George 16:02:22 <Zakim> -sandro 16:02:24 <olyerickson> Bye! 16:02:25 <Zakim> -tgheen 16:02:26 <bhyland> Benedikt, do you need any help with writing the minutes? 16:02:27 <Zakim> -bhyland 16:02:28 <olyerickson> olyerickson has left #GLD 16:02:31 <Zakim> -rreck 16:02:33 <Zakim> -GeraldSteeman 16:02:37 <Zakim> -raphael 16:02:42 <BenediktKaempgen> maybe, thanks for asking. I am about to try it. 16:03:01 <bhyland> See http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.12.15#Scribe.27s_End_of_Meeting_Checklist 16:03:04 <bhyland> for instructions 16:03:21 <bhyland> I'm here if you need any help ... 16:03:29 <bhyland> or have any trouble ... 16:03:31 <BenediktKaempgen> thanks 16:04:18 <BenediktKaempgen> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible 16:04:34 <BenediktKaempgen> RRSAgent, generate minutes 16:04:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-gld-minutes.html BenediktKaempgen 16:06:10 <gatemezin> rrsagent, bye 16:06:10 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-gld-actions.rdf : 16:06:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: DanG to confirm when US Bureau of Labor Stats can be open for our meeting [1] 16:06:10 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/15-gld-irc#T15-55-13 # SPECIAL MARKER FOR CHATSYNC. DO NOT EDIT THIS LINE OR BELOW. SRCLINESUSED=00000417