There are 23 issues on the wiki page and cygri proposes we get guidance from WG on what editors can safely edit vs. are possibly substantive ...
08:05:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-gld-irc
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08:06:19 <PhilA3> zakim, dial GLDMeetingRoom
Phil Archer: zakim, dial GLDMeetingRoom ←
08:06:19 <Zakim> sorry, PhilA3, I don't know what conference this is
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08:06:25 <PhilA3> zakim, this is gld
Phil Archer: zakim, this is gld ←
08:06:25 <Zakim> ok, PhilA3; that matches T&S_(GLD)3:00AM
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08:06:33 <PhilA3> zakim, dial GLDMeetingRoom
Phil Archer: zakim, dial GLDMeetingRoom ←
08:06:33 <Zakim> ok, PhilA3; the call is being made
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08:06:34 <Zakim> +GLDMeetingRoom
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08:07:04 <PhilA3> we are connected to zakim
Phil Archer: we are connected to zakim ←
08:07:23 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←
08:07:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, +34.63.926.aaaa, GLDMeetingRoom
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P0, +34.63.926.aaaa, GLDMeetingRoom ←
08:07:43 <MakxDekkers> zakim, aaaa is me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, aaaa is me ←
08:07:43 <Zakim> +MakxDekkers; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MakxDekkers; got it ←
08:07:53 <HadleyBeeman> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F3
08:08:09 <MakxDekkers> I am in Barcelona, late start 10 am
Makx Dekkers: I am in Barcelona, late start 10 am ←
08:08:14 <martinA> zakim, ??p0 is me
Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??p0 is me ←
08:08:14 <Zakim> +martinA; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +martinA; got it ←
08:08:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
08:09:58 <MakxDekkers> can we get visual maybe through skype?
Makx Dekkers: can we get visual maybe through skype? ←
08:11:56 <MakxDekkers> my apologies for falling ill, would have loved to be there
Makx Dekkers: my apologies for falling ill, would have loved to be there ←
08:12:22 <PhilA3> zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has bhyland, BartvanLeeuwen, cygri, Christophe, PhilA3
Phil Archer: zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has bhyland, BartvanLeeuwen, cygri, Christophe, PhilA3 ←
08:12:23 <Zakim> +bhyland, BartvanLeeuwen, cygri, Christophe, PhilA3; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bhyland, BartvanLeeuwen, cygri, Christophe, PhilA3; got it ←
08:12:44 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has me
Hadley Beeman: zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has me ←
08:12:44 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman; got it ←
08:12:51 <PhilA> chair: Bernadette
08:13:06 <PhilA> meeting: GLD Face to Face meeting Day 1
08:13:32 <PhilA> PhilA has changed the topic to: GLD Face to Face meeting day 1, Croke Park Dublin
Phil Archer: PhilA has changed the topic to: GLD Face to Face meeting day 1, Croke Park Dublin ←
08:14:05 <PhilA> topic: Quick review of European data Forum
08:14:14 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public
Phil Archer: rrsagent, make logs public ←
08:14:39 <PhilA> bhyland: Invites those who were at the EDF to give a quick review
Bernadette Hyland: Invites those who were at the EDF to give a quick review [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:15:19 <PhilA> Christophe: Lots of people saying that big data is just data. Goof talk from Siemens.
Christophe Gueret: Lots of people saying that big data is just data. Goof talk from Siemens. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:15:25 <PhilA> ... I did a demo on the 2nd day
Phil Archer: ... I did a demo on the 2nd day ←
08:15:36 <PhilA> ... had lots of visits from Dutch people
Phil Archer: ... had lots of visits from Dutch people ←
08:15:58 <PhilA> BartvanLeeuwen: It was interesting. less tech than I usually go to, more polcy than I'm used to
Bart van Leeuwen: It was interesting. less tech than I usually go to, more polcy than I'm used to [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:16:16 <PhilA> ... lots of stuff about big data but there was a lot about semantics of data
Phil Archer: ... lots of stuff about big data but there was a lot about semantics of data ←
08:16:32 <PhilA> ... lots of talks about linked data and big data in the same project
Phil Archer: ... lots of talks about linked data and big data in the same project ←
08:16:48 <PhilA> ... blown away by talk from Daimler - who knew they were using linked data
Phil Archer: ... blown away by talk from Daimler - who knew they were using linked data ←
08:17:58 <PhilA> bhyland: So good to hear the Daimler CEO coming out and using the term linked data. Very polished promotional piece may or may not be accurate reflection
Bernadette Hyland: So good to hear the Daimler CEO coming out and using the term linked data. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:18:08 <PhilA> zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has Boris
Phil Archer: zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has Boris ←
08:18:08 <Zakim> +Boris; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Boris; got it ←
08:18:37 <PhilA> Boris: +1 to Bart. People were asking about best practices for LD
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: +1 to Bart. People were asking about best practices for LD [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:19:03 <PhilA> bhyland: Have you put your company in the directory, Boris?
Bernadette Hyland: Have you put your company in the directory, Boris? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:19:20 <PhilA> Boris: Not yet, I thought it was gov only. Will fix
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: Not yet, I thought it was gov only. Will fix [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:19:40 <MakxDekkers> zakim, mute me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, mute me ←
08:19:40 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers should now be muted ←
08:19:52 <PhilA> cygri: I only saw the second half of the second day. Great venue
Richard Cyganiak: I only saw the second half of the second day. Great venue [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:20:01 <PhilA> s/Very polished promotional piece may or may not be accurate reflection//
08:20:35 <PhilA> cygri: I've only known Croke Park as a sports venue. Weird irish sports get played here. Didn't know about the conference centre
Richard Cyganiak: I've only known Croke Park as a sports venue. Weird irish sports get played here. Didn't know about the conference centre [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:20:51 <PhilA> bhyland: Europe's 4th largest stadium 82K people
Bernadette Hyland: Europe's 4th largest stadium 82K people [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:21:28 <PhilA> cygri: Hurling is the biggie here - a cross between hockey and murder
Richard Cyganiak: Hurling is the biggie here - a cross between hockey and murder [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:22:24 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
08:22:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see martinA, MakxDekkers (muted), GLDMeetingRoom, DaveReynolds
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see martinA, MakxDekkers (muted), GLDMeetingRoom, DaveReynolds ←
08:22:26 <Zakim> GLDMeetingRoom has Boris
Zakim IRC Bot: GLDMeetingRoom has Boris ←
08:22:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see boris, cygri, BartvanLeeuwen, RRSAgent, HadleyBeeman, Zakim, PhilA, martinA, MakxDekkers, bhyland, DaveReynolds, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see boris, cygri, BartvanLeeuwen, RRSAgent, HadleyBeeman, Zakim, PhilA, martinA, MakxDekkers, bhyland, DaveReynolds, sandro, trackbot ←
08:23:29 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: I only saw some of the presentations. Some of seemed the messages we've been saying and hearing for a while. Shows importance of our work and related work
Hadley Beeman: I only saw some of the presentations. Some of seemed the messages we've been saying and hearing for a while. Shows importance of our work and related work [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:23:30 <cygri> (here's an excellent recent hurling game played in croke park: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vai3Gzd-ilw )
Richard Cyganiak: (here's an excellent recent hurling game played in croke park: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vai3Gzd-ilw ) ←
08:24:29 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Lots of projects were EU funded - lots of projects seemed to be straight translations from one language to another. Lots of machine translation
Hadley Beeman: Lots of projects were EU funded - lots of projects seemed to be straight translations from one language to another. Lots of machine translation [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:26:10 <bhyland> PhilA: Multilingual issues are more prevalent in EU discussions than the greater LD community has dedicated time & effort to. This doesn't make sense given the depth of multi-lingual expertise that W3C WG's possesses.
Phil Archer: Multilingual issues are more prevalent in EU discussions than the greater LD community has dedicated time & effort to. This doesn't make sense given the depth of multi-lingual expertise that W3C WG's possesses. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
08:26:26 <bhyland> … We determined we could make DCAT available in at least 6 languages by 12noon today.
Bernadette Hyland: … We determined we could make DCAT available in at least 6 languages by 12noon today. ←
08:27:05 <bhyland> Hadley: John Sheridan said Legislative.gov.uk is about to be launched in Welsh shortly.
Hadley Beeman: John Sheridan said legislation.gov.uk is about to be launched in Welsh shortly. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
08:27:32 <bhyland> s/legislative.gov.uk/legislation.gov.uk
Bernadette Hyland: s/legislative.gov.uk/legislation.gov.uk (warning: replacement failed) ←
08:27:49 <PhilA> BartvanLeeuwen: Maybe we've failed to highlight the multilingual nature of LD
Bart van Leeuwen: Maybe we've failed to highlight the multilingual nature of LD [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:28:11 <MakxDekkers> quality not briklliant here
Makx Dekkers: quality not briklliant here ←
08:28:18 <PhilA> s/Legislative.gov.uk/legislation.gov.uk/
08:28:40 <PhilA> zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has Deirdre
Phil Archer: zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has Deirdre ←
08:28:40 <Zakim> +Deirdre; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Deirdre; got it ←
08:28:44 <MakxDekkers> sound quality I mean
Makx Dekkers: sound quality I mean ←
08:29:12 <MakxDekkers> can hear about 50% of what is said
Makx Dekkers: can hear about 50% of what is said ←
08:29:18 <PhilA> Deirdre: The feedback I was getting about the networking etc. was positive. Lots of use cases and the like shown
Deirdre Lee: The feedback I was getting about the networking etc. was positive. Lots of use cases and the like shown [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:29:26 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has fadmaa
Hadley Beeman: zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has fadmaa ←
08:29:26 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fadmaa; got it ←
08:29:57 <PhilA> bhyland: What was the most challenging part
Bernadette Hyland: What was the most challenging part [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:30:22 <PhilA> Deirdre: the EC was behind it so funding wasn't the biggest problem. Other sponsors brought validation to the event
Deirdre Lee: the EC was behind it so funding wasn't the biggest problem. Other sponsors brought validation to the event [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:30:39 <PhilA> ... we targeted different communities wrt. invited speakers
Phil Archer: ... we targeted different communities wrt. invited speakers ←
08:31:01 <PhilA> ... only the second year but the reputation is growing. Athens in 2014
Phil Archer: ... only the second year but the reputation is growing. Athens in 2014 ←
08:31:45 <PhilA> bhyland: It was excellent. I went to a NIST conference a while back - it was free, in Maryland. Bumped into LDP WG, lots of standards bodies
Bernadette Hyland: It was excellent. I went to a NIST conference a while back - it was free, in Maryland. Bumped into LDP WG, lots of standards bodies [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:32:01 <PhilA> ... very academic. Lots of PhDs, more like the Siemens, StatOil talks from EDF
Phil Archer: ... very academic. Lots of PhDs, more like the Siemens, StatOil talks from EDF ←
08:32:54 <PhilA> bhyland: Maybe more tracks are useful at these things but it's also good to get everyone together. Conferences don't always do that
Bernadette Hyland: Maybe more tracks are useful at these things but it's also good to get everyone together. Conferences don't always do that [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:33:49 <PhilA> bhyland: Interesting that privacy and security issues are so important here. Not talked about nearly as much in the US
Bernadette Hyland: Interesting that privacy and security issues are so important here. Not talked about nearly as much in the US [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:34:12 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: The Data Protection Directive is an issue - not an American concept
Hadley Beeman: The Data Protection Directive is an issue - not an American concept [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:34:50 <PhilA> bhyland: We have nothing like Directives, or FP7 funding
Bernadette Hyland: We have nothing like Directives, or FP7 funding [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:35:18 <PhilA> ... lots of cases where one project didn't know about what another was doing - when they actually are doing the same thing
Phil Archer: ... lots of cases where one project didn't know about what another was doing - when they actually are doing the same thing ←
08:35:43 <PhilA> bhyland: Makes me think better about the Community Directory as a poss tool to help that.
Bernadette Hyland: Makes me think better about the Community Directory as a poss tool to help that. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:36:39 <PhilA> Deirdre: On the issue of it being less tech than expected that's useful feedback for next year
Deirdre Lee: On the issue of it being less tech than expected that's useful feedback for next year [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:37:34 <PhilA> bhyland: Odd to hear about European Linked Data (isn't it global?)
Bernadette Hyland: Odd to hear about European Linked Data (isn't it global?) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:37:50 <PhilA> Room explains EU funding to Bernadette
Phil Archer: Room explains EU funding to Bernadette ←
08:43:09 <HadleyBeeman> We're now reviewing the semantics of clotted vs whipped cream.
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Hadley Beeman: We're now reviewing the semantics of clotted vs whipped cream. ←
08:43:57 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
08:44:05 <HadleyBeeman> And what soda bread is/tastes like. Interesting ramifications of localisation there.
Hadley Beeman: And what soda bread is/tastes like. Interesting ramifications of localisation there. ←
08:44:53 <PhilA> Deirdre: Interesting point about non European funding, how to get EU funded and others linking/working together
Deirdre Lee: Interesting point about non European funding, how to get EU funded and others linking/working together [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:47:35 <cygri> q?
Richard Cyganiak: q? ←
08:48:47 <PhilA> ack cygri
Phil Archer: ack cygri ←
08:48:49 <PhilA> cygri: Just pointing to the agenda...
Richard Cyganiak: Just pointing to the agenda... [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:48:59 <PhilA> bhyland: We're agenda bashing...
Bernadette Hyland: We're agenda bashing... [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:49:12 <PhilA> ... and collecting observations from the conference
Phil Archer: ... and collecting observations from the conference ←
08:49:54 <PhilA> zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has Ghislain
Phil Archer: zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has Ghislain ←
08:49:54 <Zakim> +Ghislain; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ghislain; got it ←
08:50:08 <MakxDekkers> can't really hear what he is saying
Makx Dekkers: can't really hear what he is saying ←
08:50:23 <MakxDekkers> maybe just me?
Makx Dekkers: maybe just me? ←
08:50:44 <PhilA> Ghislain: I thought it was excellent. I didn't get a huge output for myself but I wasn't expecting much. Really enjoyed it
Ghislain Atemezing: I thought it was excellent. I didn't get a huge output for myself but I wasn't expecting much. Really enjoyed it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:50:58 <MakxDekkers> OK will try to follow on IRC
Makx Dekkers: OK will try to follow on IRC ←
08:51:04 <MakxDekkers> what was that
Makx Dekkers: what was that ←
08:51:10 <DaveReynolds> Only if it's easy, audio is the main thing
Dave Reynolds: Only if it's easy, audio is the main thing ←
08:51:18 <PhilA> Discussion of setting up a Google Hangout for streaming
Phil Archer: Discussion of setting up a Google Hangout for streaming ←
08:51:41 <PhilA> Please put your Google e-mail address so we can invite you in
Phil Archer: Please put your Google e-mail address so we can invite you in ←
08:52:00 <MakxDekkers> makx.dekkers@gmail.com
08:52:11 <PhilA> topic: Agenda bashing
08:52:26 <PhilA> Boris: I have to leave before lunch
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: I have to leave before lunch [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:52:31 <PhilA> Christophe: I leave shortly after lunch
Christophe Gueret: I leave shortly after lunch [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:53:06 <PhilA> Others here for the duration
Phil Archer: Others here for the duration ←
08:53:56 <MakxDekkers> try to have luch when you ahve
Makx Dekkers: try to have luch when you ahve ←
08:54:03 <MakxDekkers> yes
Makx Dekkers: yes ←
08:54:26 <martinA> your 1600
Martín Álvarez: your 1600 ←
08:55:00 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
08:55:37 <PhilA> s/makx.dekkers@gmail.com//
08:55:41 <PhilA> ack cygri
Phil Archer: ack cygri ←
08:55:56 <PhilA> cygri: Topic to discuss - what's going to happen with the WG?
Richard Cyganiak: Topic to discuss - what's going to happen with the WG? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:56:25 <PhilA> cygri: We've been told that we are not getting a charter extension as things stand. So we're rushing to get things done in time
Richard Cyganiak: We've been told that we are not getting a charter extension as things stand. So we're rushing to get things done in time [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:56:50 <PhilA> cygri: If going to a 2nd Last Call means that's the last thing we have time for then that affects tech decisions and that's not the right way round
Richard Cyganiak: If going to a 2nd Last Call means that's the last thing we have time for then that affects tech decisions and that's not the right way round [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
08:57:01 <DaveReynolds> +1 to cygri request, key issue to understand
Dave Reynolds: +1 to cygri request, key issue to understand ←
08:57:32 <bhyland> +1 because it impacts much of how we proceed today and for next month
Bernadette Hyland: +1 because it impacts much of how we proceed today and for next month ←
08:57:34 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
08:57:39 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA: for the group to get an extension (here), we have to get everything to CR.
Phil Archer: for the group to get an extension (here), we have to get everything to CR. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
08:58:01 <MakxDekkers> in hangout now, can see you!
Makx Dekkers: in hangout now, can see you! ←
08:58:05 <HadleyBeeman> … Then, come end may, we can be reasonably confident that we can have an extension.
Hadley Beeman: … Then, come the end of May, we can be reasonably confident that we can have an extension. ←
08:58:15 <HadleyBeeman> s/come end may/come the end of May
08:58:29 <HadleyBeeman> …The extra effort that has gone on recently has made a big difference.
Hadley Beeman: …The extra effort that has gone on recently has made a big difference. ←
08:58:47 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
08:59:09 <HadleyBeeman> … What comes after that is a topic for debate (on agenda for tomorrow). What do you want to do next? We in the W3C have been discussing the possibilities.
Hadley Beeman: … What comes after that is a topic for debate (on agenda for tomorrow). What do you want to do next? We in the W3C have been discussing the possibilities. ←
08:59:43 <HadleyBeeman> … Conversations were primarily on "is RDF finished"? If so, what impact does that have on our Semantic Web Activity?
Hadley Beeman: … Conversations were primarily on "is RDF finished"? If so, what impact does that have on our Semantic Web Activity? ←
08:59:56 <DaveReynolds> q-
Dave Reynolds: q- ←
09:00:23 <bhyland> … W3C Mgmt having serious discussions regarding maturity of RDF specifications, as well as broader Open Data on the Web
Bernadette Hyland: … W3C Mgmt having serious discussions regarding maturity of RDF specifications, as well as broader Open Data on the Web ←
09:00:25 <HadleyBeeman> … What I've been putting in is that we need to talk about open data, and linked data within it. We also need to talk about data validation (which is why we have the Open Data on the Web workshop)
Hadley Beeman: … What I've been putting in is that we need to talk about open data, and linked data within it. We also need to talk about data validation (which is why we have the Open Data on the Web workshop) ←
09:00:54 <HadleyBeeman> … That workshop will be important in setting the agenda for what happens to this working group's work.
Hadley Beeman: … That workshop will be important in setting the agenda for what comes after this working group's work. ←
09:01:44 <HadleyBeeman> … And what working groups will come out of this. A number of people (including DaveReynolds) have been talking about closing the world for RDF. A workshop is being planned in the autumn to explore that.
Hadley Beeman: … And what working groups will come out of this. A number of people (including DaveReynolds) have been talking about closing the world for RDF. A workshop is being planned in the autumn to explore that. ←
09:02:05 <bhyland> s/setting the agenda for what happens to this/ setting the agenda for what comes after this
09:02:17 <HadleyBeeman> … We need to broaden the scope to talk about open data. Break down the religious wars between JSON and XML, etc.
Hadley Beeman: … We need to broaden the scope to talk about open data. Break down the religious wars between JSON and XML, etc. ←
09:02:32 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
09:04:01 <HadleyBeeman> … This group is making very good progress to getting towards finishing its charter. Over the summer, things should be in CR. Most of what we're talking about is already implemented. We shouldn't have too much complicated discussions. Therefore, it's realistic to think that three months after the end of May, we could have the rec-track docs as full recommendations. At the end of that period, the new working group will be in play.
Hadley Beeman: … This group is making very good progress to getting towards finishing its charter. By end of GLD charter, deliverables should be in CR. Most of what we're talking about is already implemented. We shouldn't have too much complicated discussions. Therefore, it's realistic to think that three months after the end of May, we could have the rec-track docs as full recommendations. At the end of that period, the new working group will be in play. ←
09:04:26 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
09:04:34 <HadleyBeeman> … This planning has to go through the W3C planning process, consultations with us, and the membership as well.
Hadley Beeman: … This planning has to go through the W3C planning process, consultations with us, and the membership as well. ←
09:05:17 <HadleyBeeman> bhyland: summer is misleading; we're talking about may 31 onwards.
Bernadette Hyland: summer is misleading; we're talking about may 31 onwards. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
09:05:51 <HadleyBeeman> phila: Our charter extension will probably be for June, July and August, and will say something along the lines of "this is to get the rec-track documents to the end of the process."
Phil Archer: Our charter extension will probably be for June, July and August, and will say something along the lines of "this is to get the rec-track documents to the end of the process." [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
09:05:51 <bhyland> s/Over the summer, things should be in CR/By end of GLD charter, deliverables should be in CR
09:07:05 <DaveReynolds> ack me
Dave Reynolds: ack me ←
09:08:06 <HadleyBeeman> PhilA: Perhaps I should say, the key is "are the documents at the stage, by the end of May, that we could reaonsably see them getting to Rec within three months"
Phil Archer: Perhaps I should say, the key is "are the documents at the stage, by the end of May, that we could reaonsably see them getting to Rec within three months" [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
09:08:37 <PhilA> DaveReynolds: So if, say, DCAT isn't quite at CR by 31 May, does that mean we don't get an extension?
Dave Reynolds: So if, say, DCAT isn't quite at CR by 31 May, does that mean we don't get an extension? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:09:17 <PhilA> PhilA: No, it's not that hard and fast. The test is, are documents sufficiently stable that they could realistically be moved to Rec by the end of a 3 month extension
Phil Archer: No, it's not that hard and fast. The test is, are documents sufficiently stable that they could realistically be moved to Rec by the end of a 3 month extension [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:09:55 <PhilA> cygri: So we have to decide whether we want to actively avoid a second last call. How much of an influence should process be?
Richard Cyganiak: So we have to decide whether we want to actively avoid a second last call. How much of an influence should process be? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:10:20 <PhilA> cygri: I'm not as optimistic as PhilA to get everything to CR by the end of May if we go through a second LC
Richard Cyganiak: I'm not as optimistic as PhilA to get everything to CR by the end of May if we go through a second LC [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:10:40 <PhilA> ... some of the comment were quite substantive and might take several weeks to get through
Phil Archer: ... some of the comment were quite substantive and might take several weeks to get through ←
09:11:25 <PhilA> ... I don't want to jeopardise other specs because DCAT isn't quite finished on time.
Phil Archer: ... I don't want to jeopardise other specs because DCAT isn't quite finished on time. ←
09:12:53 <PhilA> bhyland: W3C is reasonable. It won't shut things down that are active and making progress
Bernadette Hyland: W3C is reasonable. It won't shut things down that are active and making progress [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:13:16 <MakxDekkers> point of order: how does this discussion relate to the agenda? Not trying to be pedantic but trying to organise my time today and tomorrow.
Makx Dekkers: point of order: how does this discussion relate to the agenda? Not trying to be pedantic but trying to organise my time today and tomorrow. ←
09:13:51 <MakxDekkers> OK
Makx Dekkers: OK ←
09:14:07 <PhilA> bhyland: The reason Richard asked is because it frames the discussion he's going to be leading soon
Bernadette Hyland: The reason Richard asked is because it frames the discussion he's going to be leading soon [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:14:38 <PhilA> bhyland: We have similar issues around the BP doc. Timing affects some decisions on what is left in vs what we can get done
Bernadette Hyland: We have similar issues around the BP doc. Timing affects some decisions on what is left in vs what we can get done [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:15:11 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: I'd also add on DCAT that my priority is on a higher quality piece of work than rushing
Hadley Beeman: I'd also add on DCAT that my priority is on a higher quality piece of work than rushing [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:15:31 <PhilA> cygri: And we'd all rather produce a quality piece of work than something rushed out to a schedule
Richard Cyganiak: And we'd all rather produce a quality piece of work than something rushed out to a schedule [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:15:51 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: There are limits to that of course but in general, plus or minus a little then we're OK
Hadley Beeman: There are limits to that of course but in general, plus or minus a little then we're OK [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:16:14 <PhilA> cygri: We got a number of comments that we need to go through for DCAT and the speed is an important factor
Richard Cyganiak: We got a number of comments that we need to go through for DCAT and the speed is an important factor [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:16:18 <bhyland> Topic: Agenda bashing for today & tomorrow
09:16:40 <PhilA> bhyland: Anything we need to change
Bernadette Hyland: Anything we need to change [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:17:09 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: I'm sure that a conversation on licensing etc. would be interesting but I'm not sure it's a priority for us
Hadley Beeman: I'm sure that a conversation on licensing etc. would be interesting but I'm not sure it's a priority for us [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:17:17 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F3#Thursday.2C_2013-04-11
Bernadette Hyland: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F3#Thursday.2C_2013-04-11 ←
09:17:17 <PhilA> bhyland: I took that out a while ago...
Bernadette Hyland: I took that out a while ago... [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:17:36 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Presses F5
Hadley Beeman: Presses F5 [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:18:08 <PhilA> bhyland: In theory we're going to do the BP doc in 10 mins time
Bernadette Hyland: In theory we're going to do the BP doc in 10 mins time [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:18:24 <PhilA> ... we have an hour for Cube. Enough Richard?
Phil Archer: ... we have an hour for Cube. Enough Richard? ←
09:18:50 <PhilA> cygri: Yes, we only have one real issue to discuss
Richard Cyganiak: Yes, we only have one real issue to discuss [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:18:55 <PhilA> DaveReynolds: Agree, an hour should be enough
Dave Reynolds: Agree, an hour should be enough [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:19:31 <PhilA> fadmaa: Yes, an hour or so is enough
Fadi Maali: Yes, an hour or so is enough [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:19:53 <PhilA> PhilA: Hides head in shame when suchkect of URI presistence comments somes up 'cos I keep promising and not delivering
Phil Archer: Hides head in shame when suchkect of URI presistence comments somes up 'cos I keep promising and not delivering [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:20:08 <PhilA> bhyland: May cut to half an hour as we need John E
Bernadette Hyland: May cut to half an hour as we need John E [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:20:29 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Something I want to accomplish in the next 2 days is to re-do our timetable planning
Hadley Beeman: Something I want to accomplish in the next 2 days is to re-do our timetable planning [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:20:44 <PhilA> ... a bash at the timetable page would be god before we finish
Phil Archer: ... a bash at the timetable page would be good before we finish ←
09:21:18 <PhilA> bhyland: Editor should take the responsibility to update their timetables
Bernadette Hyland: Editor should take the responsibility to update their timetables [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
09:21:34 <gatemezi> s/god/good
09:21:36 <HadleyBeeman> (Example for reminder: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_Timetable )
Hadley Beeman: (Example for reminder: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_Timetable ) ←
09:22:52 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
09:22:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-gld-minutes.html PhilA
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-gld-minutes.html PhilA ←
09:22:58 <PhilA> Coffee break
Phil Archer: Coffee break ←
09:29:25 <bhyland> until 10.30 Dublin time
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Bernadette Hyland: until 10.30 Dublin time ←
09:33:57 <HadleyBeeman> "Caeser didn't have the option of following some British guys on Twitter, which would have changed the invasion completely."
Hadley Beeman: "Caesar didn't have the option of following some British guys on Twitter, which would have changed the invasion completely." ←
09:34:14 <HadleyBeeman> s/Caeser/Caesar
09:34:55 <PhilA> scribe: fadmaa
(Scribe set to Fadi Maali)
09:35:15 <bhyland> Topic: Best Practices
09:35:21 <bhyland> ses http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/BP_Timetable
Bernadette Hyland: see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/BP_Timetable ←
09:35:25 <bhyland> s/ses/see
09:35:36 <bhyland> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html#source-data
Bernadette Hyland: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/bp/index.html#source-data ←
09:36:41 <fadmaa> bhyland: The BP document has a summary, list of checklists, diagrams. It then has a section on URI construction
Bernadette Hyland: The BP document has a summary, list of checklists, diagrams. It then has a section on URI construction ←
09:37:11 <fadmaa> ... the fact that these recommendation can be done or not makes it different from other W3C recommendation
... the fact that these recommendation can be done or not makes it different from other W3C recommendation ←
09:37:30 <fadmaa> ... I am suggesting removing the "checklist" section
... I am suggesting removing the "checklist" section ←
09:37:46 <fadmaa> ... making the BP more normative
... making the BP more normative ←
09:37:56 <fadmaa> ... and move the checklist to a separate note
... and move the checklist to a separate note ←
09:39:05 <fadmaa> bhyland: this also enhances our opportunity to have the BP done as a recommendation within the time frame
Bernadette Hyland: this also enhances our opportunity to have the BP done as a recommendation within the time frame ←
09:39:26 <fadmaa> PhilA: this raises the question again of whether the BP should be a recommendation
Phil Archer: this raises the question again of whether the BP should be a recommendation ←
09:39:47 <fadmaa> ... a recommendation also requires some implementation (independtly two implementations)
... a recommendation also requires some implementation (independtly two implementations) ←
09:39:55 <fadmaa> ... which is hard
... which is hard ←
09:40:31 <fadmaa> ... checklist is really helpful and having them in a separate document make them hard to find
... checklist is really helpful and having them in a separate document make them hard to find ←
09:41:08 <martinA> Checklist for WCAG is very useful and it's a Recommendation
Martín Álvarez: Checklist for WCAG is very useful and it's a Recommendation ←
09:42:07 <fadmaa> ... it has been done to have a community group note that feels exactly like a W3C recommendation if it is done well
... it has been done to have a community group note that feels exactly like a W3C recommendation if it is done well ←
09:43:37 <fadmaa> HadleyBeeman: Are notes easier to be carried on by subsequent groups?
Hadley Beeman: Are notes easier to be carried on by subsequent groups? ←
09:44:13 <PhilA> Community group producing things that look like, but are not, standards http://www.w3.org/community/odrl/
Phil Archer: Community group producing things that look like, but are not, standards http://www.w3.org/community/odrl/ ←
09:44:32 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
09:44:36 <fadmaa> BartvanLeeuwen: best practice is hard to be put in a solid way as they need to be updated
Bart van Leeuwen: best practice is hard to be put in a solid way as they need to be updated ←
09:45:00 <fadmaa> cygri: agree. With note the process of updating it is more flexible
Richard Cyganiak: agree. With note the process of updating it is more flexible ←
09:45:30 <fadmaa> PhilA: it is better to try to finish the BP within the charter of this group
Phil Archer: it is better to try to finish the BP within the charter of this group ←
09:45:31 <DeirdreLee> Google hangout available for visuals. If you want to join, post your email here
Deirdre Lee: Google hangout available for visuals. If you want to join, post your email here ←
09:46:21 <fadmaa> bhyland: taking URI process as an example, it is hard to point to implementations
Bernadette Hyland: taking URI process as an example, it is hard to point to implementations ←
09:46:45 <fadmaa> HadleyBeeman: is Linked government data different than linked data in general?
Hadley Beeman: is Linked government data different than linked data in general? ←
09:46:59 <fadmaa> ... can't we consider an enterprise implementation
... can't we consider an enterprise implementation ←
09:47:27 <fadmaa> ... as an existing implementation for the best practices for linked government data
... as an existing implementation for the best practices for linked government data ←
09:47:52 <HadleyBeeman> or possibly have the scope of Best Practices to cover all linked data?
Hadley Beeman: or possibly have the scope of Best Practices to cover all linked data? ←
09:48:01 <HadleyBeeman> (tbd by the group)
Hadley Beeman: (to be determined by the group) ←
09:48:14 <HadleyBeeman> s/tbd/to be determined
09:49:07 <fadmaa> ??: would it be appropriate to refer to existing implementations from within a note?
Christophe Gueret: would it be appropriate to refer to existing implementations from within a note? ←
09:49:20 <HadleyBeeman> s/??/christophe
09:49:36 <fadmaa> PhilA: I don't think this is good especially that implementations are not guaranteed to continue to exist
Phil Archer: I don't think this is good especially that implementations are not guaranteed to continue to exist ←
09:50:15 <fadmaa> boris: it will be hard to point to implementations of BP
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: it will be hard to point to implementations of BP ←
09:50:32 <fadmaa> bhyland: if we take into account enterprise implementations that won't be hard
Bernadette Hyland: if we take into account enterprise implementations that won't be hard ←
09:51:14 <fadmaa> boris: it is hard to prove that the implementation was good and the practices were helpful
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: it is hard to prove that the implementation was good and the practices were helpful ←
09:51:26 <fadmaa> PhilA: if the customer(implementer) is happy, we can trust this
Phil Archer: if the customer(implementer) is happy, we can trust this ←
09:51:58 <fadmaa> HadleyBeeman: looks like we have three options: one recommendation, a recommendation and a note or a note?
Hadley Beeman: looks like we have three options: one recommendation, a recommendation and a note or a note? ←
09:52:22 <fadmaa> bhyland: one recommendation is not an option given the time frame
Bernadette Hyland: one recommendation is not an option given the time frame ←
09:53:04 <fadmaa> bhyland:this leaves two options: a recommendation and a checklist separate as a note
Bernadette Hyland: this leaves two options: a recommendation and a checklist separate as a note ←
09:53:09 <fadmaa> ... or one note
... or one note ←
09:53:46 <gatemezi> http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/
Ghislain Atemezing: http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/ ←
09:53:47 <PhilA> www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/
Phil Archer: www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/ ←
09:54:06 <fadmaa> bhyland: an example of a good way to put best practices: http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/
Bernadette Hyland: an example of a good way to put best practices: http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/ ←
09:55:27 <fadmaa> BartvanLeeuwen: BP will not contain a MUST and SHOULD kind of recommendations
Bart van Leeuwen: BP will not contain a MUST and SHOULD kind of recommendations ←
09:55:46 <fadmaa> ... but the like of "we think it is good to do this and this"
... but the like of "we think it is good to do this and this" ←
09:56:41 <fadmaa> PhilA: in the mobile bp document referred to, we required feedback from two different implementers
Phil Archer: in the mobile bp document referred to, we required feedback from two different implementers ←
09:59:02 <fadmaa> PhilA: it might be good to suggest including a "persistent URI" section for the likely new W3C WG dealing with open data in general
Phil Archer: it might be good to suggest including a "persistent URI" section for the likely new W3C WG dealing with open data in general ←
09:59:31 <fadmaa> ... this means we can make the URI construction part of the BP as a note
... this means we can make the URI construction part of the BP as a note ←
09:59:36 <sandro> Step 1 for talking the JSON folks: Don't use the terms "URI" or "IRI". Stick with "URL". :-)
Sandro Hawke: Step 1 for talking the JSON folks: Don't use the terms "URI" or "IRI". Stick with "URL". :-) ←
09:59:50 <HadleyBeeman> wise words, sandro
Hadley Beeman: wise words, sandro ←
10:00:21 <fadmaa> bhyland: URI policy and implementation is something that I think this WG can and should do
Bernadette Hyland: URI policy and implementation is something that I think this WG can and should do ←
10:00:28 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
10:00:43 <fadmaa> ... we have the required technical capabilities
... we have the required technical capabilities ←
10:00:44 <cygri> q-
Richard Cyganiak: q- ←
10:00:54 <PhilA> ack DaveReynolds
Phil Archer: ack DaveReynolds ←
10:01:34 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: I support the suggestion for going for a note containing the URI construction section
Dave Reynolds: I support the suggestion for going for a note containing the URI construction section ←
10:01:51 <fadmaa> ... I don't think having two separate docs is a good idea
... I don't think having two separate docs is a good idea ←
10:02:18 <HadleyBeeman> HTTP range 14 compliance can of worms
Hadley Beeman: HTTP range 14 compliance can of worms ←
10:02:28 <fadmaa> ... and achieving consensus for a rec is risky, we might have the http range discussion opened again
... and achieving consensus for a rec is risky, we might have the http range discussion opened again ←
10:02:54 <HadleyBeeman> :)
Hadley Beeman: :) ←
10:03:00 <fadmaa> bhyland: I don't mind putting the BP in a note
Bernadette Hyland: I don't mind putting the BP in a note ←
10:03:18 <fadmaa> ... but I don't like the idea of defering this for a next WG
... but I don't like the idea of defering this for a next WG ←
10:03:51 <DaveReynolds> Don't think that PhilA's suggestion was to defer, but to build on.
Dave Reynolds: Don't think that PhilA's suggestion was to defer, but to build on. ←
10:04:15 <DaveReynolds> Agenda says this discussion has 26mins left
Dave Reynolds: Agenda says this discussion has 26mins left ←
10:04:25 <fadmaa> PROPOSAL: put a BP as a note
PROPOSED: put a BP as a note ←
10:06:18 <fadmaa> sandro: is the argument that because URI construction is controversial we shouldn't try to get consensus on it?
Sandro Hawke: is the argument that because URI construction is controversial we shouldn't try to get consensus on it? ←
10:07:34 <fadmaa> DaveReynolds: I didn't mean that having a document on URI construction is a bad idea
Dave Reynolds: I didn't mean that having a document on URI construction is a bad idea ←
10:08:03 <fadmaa> ... but having this within the best practice as a rec is risky
... but having this within the best practice as a rec is risky ←
10:08:07 <fadmaa> bhyland: +1
Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←
10:08:44 <sandro> DaveReynolds:We're spending months on a revision of the UK policy and we're not nearly done, so this WG isn't ready to produce a REC on URI Construction.
Dave Reynolds: We're spending months on a revision of the UK policy and we're not nearly done, so this WG isn't ready to produce a REC on URI Construction. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
10:09:10 <fadmaa> bhyland: I think it is better to have the BP as a comprehensive document and as a WG note
Bernadette Hyland: I think it is better to have the BP as a comprehensive document and as a WG note ←
10:09:39 <fadmaa> boris: giving the time restrictions, I also think that putting this as a note is a good idea
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: giving the time restrictions, I also think that putting this as a note is a good idea ←
10:10:12 <DaveReynolds> +1
Dave Reynolds: +1 ←
10:10:15 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to putting BP as a note
Hadley Beeman: +1 to putting BP as a note ←
10:10:15 <cygri> PROPOSAL: The WG aims to publish Best Practices as a W3C Note
PROPOSED: The WG aims to publish Best Practices as a W3C Note ←
10:10:32 <MakxDekkers> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
10:10:33 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
10:10:41 <DaveReynolds> +1
Dave Reynolds: +1 ←
10:10:42 <HadleyBeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
10:10:42 <fadmaa> +1
+1 ←
10:10:42 <gatemezi> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
10:10:45 <martinA> +1
Martín Álvarez: +1 ←
10:10:52 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
10:11:08 <sandro> +1 given that I'm hearing the editor says we can't possibly make it to CR by the end of May, or even the URI Construction part of it.
Sandro Hawke: +1 given that I'm hearing the editor says we can't possibly make it to CR by the end of May, or even the URI Construction part of it. ←
10:11:32 <DaveReynolds> To be clear. Very happy to have URI construction and policy as part of BP note. Having a REC track document that just focusses on that issue will be a challenge in terms of community consensus and timescale. UK experience is that despite several years use of previous UK recommendations, they need substantial update and that achieving consensus on that update is time consuming.
Dave Reynolds: To be clear. Very happy to have URI construction and policy as part of BP note. Having a REC track document that just focusses on that issue will be a challenge in terms of community consensus and timescale. UK experience is that despite several years use of previous UK recommendations, they need substantial update and that achieving consensus on that update is time consuming. ←
10:11:46 <boris> +1
10:11:53 <sandro> DaveReynolds, my question is whether or not we should ATTEMPT to meet that challenge.
Sandro Hawke: DaveReynolds, my question is whether or not we should ATTEMPT to meet that challenge. ←
10:12:09 <sandro> DaveReynolds, ... and I'm hearing "No."
Sandro Hawke: DaveReynolds, ... and I'm hearing "No." ←
10:12:34 <DaveReynolds> sandro: no, I'm saying "yes" but not in the next 3 weeks just from GLD perspective
Sandro Hawke: no, I'm saying "yes" but not in the next 3 weeks just from GLD perspective [ Scribe Assist by Dave Reynolds ] ←
10:12:44 <sandro> What if we had 6 months?
Sandro Hawke: What if we had 6 months? ←
10:13:29 <HadleyBeeman> Looking further at URI persistence in the context of open data (especially with regard to JSON and XML) would be useful. Perhaps subsequent working group? At that point, it's out of the realm of Linked Data and RDF… but still worth doing.
Hadley Beeman: Looking further at URI persistence in the context of open data (especially with regard to JSON and XML) would be useful. Perhaps subsequent working group? At that point, it's out of the realm of Linked Data and RDF… but still worth doing. ←
10:14:03 <fadmaa> sandro: If we get a 6 month extension, should we try to work on the URI construction recommendations?
Sandro Hawke: If we get a 6 month extension, should we try to work on the URI construction recommendations? ←
10:14:04 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
10:15:22 <fadmaa> bhyland: we have enough technical recommendations and guidance to put in a section on URI construction in a best practice note
Bernadette Hyland: we have enough technical recommendations and guidance to put in a section on URI construction in a best practice note ←
10:15:35 <fadmaa> ... it can serve as input for further work
... it can serve as input for further work ←
10:15:56 <sandro> bhyland: It would be confusing to take URI Construction out of Best Practices, into another document.
Bernadette Hyland: It would be confusing to take URI Construction out of Best Practices, into another document. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
10:16:22 <cgueret> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
10:16:57 <fadmaa> ... there are examples of notes which are widely used and even referred to as standards sometimes especially for people not aware of the W3C processes
... there are examples of notes which are widely used and even referred to as standards sometimes especially for people not aware of the W3C processes ←
10:17:16 <fadmaa> sandro: if we have the URI construction doc separate, people will pay more attention
Sandro Hawke: if we have the URI construction doc separate, people will pay more attention ←
10:17:30 <fadmaa> ... and this will halep getting this thoroughly discussed
... and this will help getting this thoroughly discussed ←
10:17:44 <gatemezi> s/christophe/cgueret
10:17:48 <fadmaa> s/halep/help/
10:17:50 <bhyland> Sandro - We want BP well documented and this is important.
Bernadette Hyland: Sandro - We want BP well documented and this is important. ←
10:17:54 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
10:18:32 <sandro> sandro: This is a major decision for the WG, so it needs to be well-documented and well-justified.
Sandro Hawke: This is a major decision for the WG, so it needs to be well-documented and well-justified. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
10:18:43 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
10:18:45 <fadmaa> sandro: we need to clearly record the reason for our decision re. working or not URI construction
Sandro Hawke: we need to clearly record the reason for our decision re. working or not URI construction ←
10:19:22 <bhyland> cygri: What we say on URI Policy for Persistence has wide reaching impact… for example LDP and RDF WGs
Richard Cyganiak: What we say on URI Policy for Persistence has wide reaching impact… for example LDP and RDF WGs [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
10:19:28 <sandro> cygri: What we say on URI construction can have a pretty big impact and affect lots of other WGs. Making those recommendations might also be in-scope for other WGs, like LDP. The RDF WG has views and opinions on these issues.
Richard Cyganiak: What we say on URI construction can have a pretty big impact and affect lots of other WGs. Making those recommendations might also be in-scope for other WGs, like LDP. The RDF WG has views and opinions on these issues. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
10:19:30 <fadmaa> cygri: this has broad implications. one might argue that this falls also in the scope of other WG e.g. the RDF WG, the LD platform
Richard Cyganiak: this has broad implications. one might argue that this falls also in the scope of other WG e.g. the RDF WG, the LD platform ←
10:19:51 <sandro> (It came about because of the UK guidance document.)
Sandro Hawke: (It came about because of the UK guidance document.) ←
10:20:16 <fadmaa> bhyland: the reason this was part of the GLD charter, is because its charter was written before the LDP one
Bernadette Hyland: the reason this was part of the GLD charter, is because its charter was written before the LDP one ←
10:20:30 <PhilA> that's the one DaveReynolds tells us that months of work is going into updating. It's referred to by many people.
Phil Archer: that's the one DaveReynolds tells us that months of work is going into updating. It's referred to by many people. ←
10:21:06 <fadmaa> cgueret: it is important to clarify whether there is something specific with government URIs in particular
Christophe Gueret: it is important to clarify whether there is something specific with government URIs in particular ←
10:21:38 <fadmaa> cygri: some topics in the charter are hard to be addressed exclusively in the government scope
Richard Cyganiak: some topics in the charter are hard to be addressed exclusively in the government scope ←
10:21:58 <PhilA> cygri: Makes the point that URI construction is not gov-specific (or any other domain). LDP is equally interested, for example
Richard Cyganiak: Makes the point that URI construction is not gov-specific (or any other domain). LDP is equally interested, for example [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
10:21:59 <BartvanLeeuwen> q?
Bart van Leeuwen: q? ←
10:22:04 <fadmaa> ... many of the issues are general and the technologies can be applied outside government linked data
... many of the issues are general and the technologies can be applied outside government linked data ←
10:22:49 <fadmaa> bhyland: it is fine to impact other people and WGs and we can get input from them
Bernadette Hyland: it is fine to impact other people and WGs and we can get input from them ←
10:23:24 <fadmaa> cygri: my concern is that we might not have the right composition in the WG to address some broad topics
Richard Cyganiak: my concern is that we might not have the right composition in the WG to address some broad topics ←
10:24:09 <fadmaa> ... that might go beyond the scope.
... that might go beyond the scope. ←
10:24:33 <sandro> q+ to say the Charter was about URI Construction *for governments* specifically.
Sandro Hawke: q+ to say the Charter was about URI Construction *for governments* specifically. ←
10:25:01 <fadmaa> cygri: there is a danger of not having all related people looking into our output and providing feedback
Richard Cyganiak: there is a danger of not having all related people looking into our output and providing feedback ←
10:25:04 <sandro> " The group will specify how to create good URIs for use in government linked data. "
Sandro Hawke: " The group will specify how to create good URIs for use in government linked data. " ←
10:25:31 <cygri> ack me
Richard Cyganiak: ack me ←
10:26:42 <fadmaa> sandro: the charter states that government linked data specifically
Sandro Hawke: the charter states that government linked data specifically ←
10:27:00 <fadmaa> sandro: in the part referring to the URI construction
Sandro Hawke: in the part referring to the URI construction ←
10:27:06 <bhyland> To quote the charter: URI Construction. The group will specify how to create good URIs for use in government linked data.
Bernadette Hyland: To quote the charter: URI Construction. The group will specify how to create good URIs for use in government linked data. ←
10:27:41 <fadmaa> cygri: if I look at our draft I don't see it specific to the government data
Richard Cyganiak: if I look at our draft I don't see it specific to the government data ←
10:27:54 <fadmaa> bhyland: yes it is general
Bernadette Hyland: yes it is general ←
10:28:56 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
10:29:12 <sandro> bhyland, I think I halted the vote by asking this question -- about 6 months, etc.
Sandro Hawke: bhyland, I think I halted the vote by asking this question -- about 6 months, etc. ←
10:29:15 <PhilA> PhilA: There's a session on URIs at the London workshop btw http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/agenda#uris. Some gov, but not all
Phil Archer: There's a session on URIs at the London workshop btw http://www.w3.org/2013/04/odw/agenda#uris. Some gov, but not all [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
10:29:24 <PhilA> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
10:29:52 <HadleyBeeman> It sounds to me like we can all agree that URI persistence section of our BP draft isn't finished. I suggest we have other conversations about the nuances of the content.
Hadley Beeman: It sounds to me like we can all agree that URI persistence section of our BP draft isn't finished. I suggest we have other conversations about the nuances of the content. ←
10:30:11 <sandro> DaveReynolds: If URI Construction were split out, we'd have to be much more careful and clear about the scope. Meanwhile, the UK stuff is Best Practice suggestions, *not* formal conformance spec stuff.
Dave Reynolds: If URI Construction were split out, we'd have to be much more careful and clear about the scope. Meanwhile, the UK stuff is Best Practice suggestions, *not* formal conformance spec stuff. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
10:30:15 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me
Bart van Leeuwen: ack me ←
10:30:22 <PhilA> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
10:30:30 <sandro> I'm comfortable deferring to DaveReynolds expertise on that.
Sandro Hawke: I'm comfortable deferring to DaveReynolds expertise on that. ←
10:30:43 <sandro> q-
Sandro Hawke: q- ←
10:31:30 <bhyland> @Dave - so what you just said further suggests the URI Policy guidance should be in a WG Note, not a Rec track doc because it is not "pass / fail"
Bernadette Hyland: @Dave - so what you just said further suggests the URI Policy guidance should be in a WG Note, not a Rec track doc because it is not "pass / fail" ←
10:31:44 <bhyland> @Dave, do I understand you correctly?
Bernadette Hyland: @Dave, do I understand you correctly? ←
10:32:00 <cygri> cygri: Potentially, all LD is in scope for LDP
Richard Cyganiak: Potentially, all LD is in scope for LDP [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
10:32:40 <cygri> BartvanLeeuwen: Dutch government has a linked data working group
Bart van Leeuwen: Dutch government has a linked data working group [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
10:32:42 <sandro> BartvanLeeuwen: It'd be helpful to the Dutch group on this to have URI construction be a separate WG Note
Bart van Leeuwen: It'd be helpful to the Dutch group on this to have URI construction be a separate WG Note [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
10:33:10 <cygri> … having a separate document for URI construction would help highlighting it so that national groups don't reinvent thing
Richard Cyganiak: … having a separate document for URI construction would help highlighting it so that national groups don't reinvent things ←
10:33:10 <sandro> bhyland: I would not want to see URI Construction taken out of Best Practices.
Bernadette Hyland: I would not want to see URI Construction taken out of Best Practices. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
10:33:14 <cygri> s/thing/things/
10:33:15 <DaveReynolds> bhyland: yes, if it gets into lower details as the UK stuff does then that should be framed as a range of possible approaches rather than a one true way
Bernadette Hyland: yes, if it gets into lower details as the UK stuff does then that should be framed as a range of possible approaches rather than a one true way [ Scribe Assist by Dave Reynolds ] ←
10:33:35 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: I think URI Construction needs a lot more time and attention than we've got.
Hadley Beeman: I think URI Construction needs a lot more time and attention than we've got. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
10:34:00 <DaveReynolds> PhilA: Don't know, in principle maybe, would need to discuss with the sponsors (defra)
Phil Archer: Don't know, in principle maybe, would need to discuss with the sponsors (defra) [ Scribe Assist by Dave Reynolds ] ←
10:34:13 <cygri> q?
Richard Cyganiak: q? ←
10:34:17 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: Part of what needs to happen going forward with URIs is to (1) make it more government specific and (2) get more reviews from the WGs that might care about this
Hadley Beeman: Part of what needs to happen going forward with URIs is to (1) make it more government specific and (2) get more reviews from the WGs that might care about this [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
10:34:27 <bhyland> @Dave, then I agree with you & in discussion this AM discussion, believe even more so that it should be a WG Note.
Bernadette Hyland: @Dave, then I agree with you & in discussion this AM discussion, believe even more so that it should be a WG Note. ←
10:34:28 <sandro> bhyland: yes and yes
Bernadette Hyland: yes and yes [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
10:35:53 <bhyland> Proposed: Publish Best Practices as as Working Group Note, inclusive of URI Construction guidance and URI Policy for Persistence, and various checklists for vocabs, etc.
PROPOSED: Publish Best Practices as as Working Group Note, inclusive of URI Construction guidance and URI Policy for Persistence, and various checklists for vocabs, etc. ←
10:37:17 <DaveReynolds> +1
Dave Reynolds: +1 ←
10:37:36 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
10:37:44 <HadleyBeeman> RESOLVED: The WG aims to publish Best Practices as a W3C Note.
RESOLVED: The WG aims to publish Best Practices as a W3C Note. ←
10:37:52 <MakxDekkers> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
10:38:00 <cgueret> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
10:38:36 <sandro> (We understand this is different from the Charter -- in that the charter says this will be a Recommendation.)
Sandro Hawke: (We understand this is different from the Charter -- in that the charter says this will be a Recommendation.) ←
10:39:20 <HadleyBeeman> Charter: 2.2 Best Practices for Publishing Linked Data www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter
Hadley Beeman: Charter: 2.2 Best Practices for Publishing Linked Data www.w3.org/2011/gld/charter ←
10:39:42 <fadmaa> bhyland: reviewing the BP document as stated in the charter:
Bernadette Hyland: reviewing the BP document as stated in the charter: ←
10:39:58 <fadmaa> ... Procurement we decided before not to include it in the BP doc
... Procurement we decided before not to include it in the BP doc ←
10:40:01 <DaveReynolds> Main my -1 on procurement checklist
Dave Reynolds: Maintain my -1 on procurement checklist ←
10:40:07 <DaveReynolds> s/Main/Maintain/
10:40:39 <fadmaa> bhyland: procurement as a checklist
Bernadette Hyland: procurement as a checklist ←
10:40:47 <DaveReynolds> Well at least -0
Dave Reynolds: Well at least -0 ←
10:41:19 <fadmaa> cygri: it is hard to vote on whether it should be a checklist or no
Richard Cyganiak: it is hard to vote on whether it should be a checklist or no ←
10:41:42 <fadmaa> ... the group can vote based on teh content. I think there is no need for the WG to micro-manage this
... the group can vote based on teh content. I think there is no need for the WG to micro-manage this ←
10:42:38 <fadmaa> HadleyBeeman: do we need formal process to drop parts of the charter?
Hadley Beeman: do we need formal process to drop parts of the charter? ←
10:42:55 <fadmaa> sandro: we have discussions on emails but not a formal decision
Sandro Hawke: we have discussions on emails but not a formal decision ←
10:42:58 <bhyland> Discussed that the Best Practices WG Note contain checklist information for procurement, vocab selection, and thoroughly URI Construction and URI Policy for Persistence. This WG Note does not expect to cover in detail Versioning, Stability, Legacy Data. Finally, the LD Cookbook will live as a wiki.
Bernadette Hyland: Discussed that the Best Practices WG Note contain checklist information for procurement, vocab selection, and thoroughly URI Construction and URI Policy for Persistence. This WG Note does not expect to cover in detail Versioning, Stability, Legacy Data. Finally, the LD Cookbook will live as a wiki. ←
10:43:16 <fadmaa> ... at some point we need some text explaining why we are not working on some parts of the charter
... at some point we need some text explaining why we are not working on some parts of the charter ←
10:43:51 <HadleyBeeman> The charter commits us to delivering BP recommendations that we have discussed not having.
Hadley Beeman: The charter commits us to delivering BP recommendations that we have discussed not having. ←
10:44:35 <fadmaa> PhilA: we need to record that the WG has decided not to include some parts of the charter
Phil Archer: we need to record that the WG has decided not to include some parts of the charter ←
10:45:37 <HadleyBeeman> We planned for sections on Procurement, Versioning, Stability and Legacy Data. WG members who were authorities on those topics have left, and we have further discussed that they are not relevant/feasible to produce to a high level.
Hadley Beeman: We planned for sections on Procurement, Versioning, Stability and Legacy Data. WG members who were authorities on those topics have left, and we have further discussed that they are not relevant/feasible to produce to a high level. ←
10:46:25 <HadleyBeeman> bhyland: they are relevant, but we are only going to produce high-level summaries of them.
Bernadette Hyland: they are relevant, but we are only going to produce high-level summaries of them. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
10:46:39 <sandro> PROPOSED: Best Practices will only very briefly discuss "4. Versioning", "5.Stability", and "6. Legacy Data. ". Also, "7. Cookbook" will be in a wiki. We don't have the time/expertise to do more.
PROPOSED: Best Practices will only very briefly discuss "4. Versioning", "5.Stability", and "6. Legacy Data. ". Also, "7. Cookbook" will be in a wiki. We don't have the time/expertise to do more. ←
10:46:45 <bhyland> +1
Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←
10:46:50 <HadleyBeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
10:47:06 <DaveReynolds> 0 (sounds like procurement checklist remains)
Dave Reynolds: 0 (sounds like procurement checklist remains) ←
10:47:36 <sandro> PROPOSED: Best Practices will only very briefly discuss "1. Procurement", "4. Versioning", "5.Stability", and "6. Legacy Data. ". Also, "7. Cookbook" will be in a wiki. We don't have the time/expertise to do more.
PROPOSED: Best Practices will only very briefly discuss "1. Procurement", "4. Versioning", "5.Stability", and "6. Legacy Data. ". Also, "7. Cookbook" will be in a wiki. We don't have the time/expertise to do more. ←
10:48:07 <gatemezi> q?
Ghislain Atemezing: q? ←
10:48:30 <sandro> PROPOSED: Best Practices will (at most) only very briefly discuss "1. Procurement", "4. Versioning", "5.Stability", and "6. Legacy Data. ". Also, "7. Cookbook" will be in a wiki. We don't have the time/expertise to do more.
PROPOSED: Best Practices will (at most) only very briefly discuss "1. Procurement", "4. Versioning", "5.Stability", and "6. Legacy Data. ". Also, "7. Cookbook" will be in a wiki. We don't have the time/expertise to do more. ←
10:48:46 <DaveReynolds> +1
Dave Reynolds: +1 ←
10:48:47 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
10:49:08 <fadmaa> +1
+1 ←
10:49:32 <sandro> (for DaveReynolds, the addition of "at most" clarifies that we might drop the Procurement section entirely.)
Sandro Hawke: (for DaveReynolds, the addition of "at most" clarifies that we might drop the Procurement section entirely.) ←
10:49:38 <fadmaa> bhyland: the current section on procurement is not specific to government
Bernadette Hyland: the current section on procurement is not specific to government ←
10:49:45 <cygri> 0 (I don't see the point of this vote.)
Richard Cyganiak: 0 (I don't see the point of this vote.) ←
10:49:48 <gatemezi> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
10:49:51 <HadleyBeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
10:49:53 <boris> +1
10:49:54 <MakxDekkers> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
10:49:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
10:49:57 <cgueret> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
10:49:58 <fadmaa> ... if we can't make it better I'd suggest not having it
... if we can't make it better I'd suggest not having it ←
10:49:59 <fadmaa> +1
+1 ←
10:50:18 <sandro> RESOLVED: Best Practices will (at most) only very briefly discuss "1. Procurement", "4. Versioning", "5.Stability", and "6. Legacy Data. ". Also, "7. Cookbook" will be in a wiki. We don't have the time/expertise to do more.
RESOLVED: Best Practices will (at most) only very briefly discuss "1. Procurement", "4. Versioning", "5.Stability", and "6. Legacy Data. ". Also, "7. Cookbook" will be in a wiki. We don't have the time/expertise to do more. ←
10:50:41 <sandro> We can change our mind in light of new information -- eg some Awesome new text.
Sandro Hawke: We can change our mind in light of new information -- eg some Awesome new text. ←
10:51:18 <sandro> bhyland: This is largely guidance to the editors
Bernadette Hyland: This is largely guidance to the editors [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
10:51:38 <bhyland> Thanks all, very helpful to editors.
Bernadette Hyland: Thanks all, very helpful to editors. ←
10:51:57 <sandro> HadleyBeeman: And this documents for the world that/why we're not doing these things in our charter.
Hadley Beeman: And this documents for the world that/why we're not doing these things in our charter. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
10:52:46 <MakxDekkers> please try to keep break times the same. I am planning around that
Makx Dekkers: please try to keep break times the same. I am planning around that ←
10:53:21 <HadleyBeeman> noted, makxdekkers
Hadley Beeman: noted, makxdekkers ←
10:54:22 <fadmaa> TOPIC: Data Cube vocabulary LC feedback review
10:54:27 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_LC_comments
Dave Reynolds: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_LC_comments ←
10:54:32 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_LC_comments
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_LC_comments ←
10:55:01 <fadmaa> cygri: we have all the comments we received in teh Wiki page
Richard Cyganiak: we have all the comments we received in teh Wiki page ←
10:55:10 <gatemezi> Topic: Data Cube
10:55:38 <fadmaa> ... many of them were expressing their used of the vocabulary and their satisfaction
... many of them were expressing their used of the vocabulary and their satisfaction ←
10:55:54 <fadmaa> ... there are some editorial issues that the editors can take care of
... there are some editorial issues that the editors can take care of ←
10:56:21 <fadmaa> ... one thing that needs some discussion, is the question re. the SDMX part relation to the Spec itself
... one thing that needs some discussion, is the question re. the SDMX part relation to the Spec itself ←
10:56:42 <fadmaa> ... and whether it is part of the Rec
... and whether it is part of the Rec ←
10:57:24 <fadmaa> cygri: the main issue was regarding the heirarchical there was some push back
Richard Cyganiak: the main issue was regarding the heirarchical code list there was some push back ←
10:57:55 <fadmaa> s/heirarchical/heirarchical code list/
10:58:57 <cygri> ISSUE-59?
10:58:57 <trackbot> ISSUE-59 -- Last Call comment. Frank Cotton on qb:HierarchicalCodeList -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-59 -- Last Call comment. Frank Cotton on qb:HierarchicalCodeList -- raised ←
10:58:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/59
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/59 ←
11:00:18 <fadmaa> cygri: the issue is mainly with hierarchical list which is common in statistical data e.g. geographic areas
Richard Cyganiak: the issue is mainly with hierarchical list which is common in statistical data e.g. geographic areas ←
11:00:43 <fadmaa> ... it is a frequent requirement to have this hierarchy represented in their data
... it is a frequent requirement to have this hierarchy represented in their data ←
11:01:07 <fadmaa> ... we use SKOS currently which can express hierarchy with broader/narrower
... we use SKOS currently which can express hierarchy with broader/narrower ←
11:01:38 <fadmaa> ... the issue with this, is the existing domain specific hierarchies that are not represented using SKOS
... the issue with this, is the existing domain specific hierarchies that are not represented using SKOS ←
11:02:00 <fadmaa> ... can we enable organisations to use the hierarchies they already have?
... can we enable organisations to use the hierarchies they already have? ←
11:02:45 <fadmaa> ... one possible solution is to require these lists to be represented into SKOS
... one possible solution is to require these lists to be represented into SKOS ←
11:03:17 <fadmaa> ... but this will prohibit people from reusing their already defined data and URIs
... but this will prohibit people from reusing their already defined data and URIs ←
11:03:59 <fadmaa> ... the hierarchicalcodelist property allows pointing to non-SKOS lists
... the hierarchicalcodelist property allows pointing to non-SKOS lists ←
11:05:28 <PhilA> scribe: DeirdreLee
(Scribe set to Deirdre Lee)
11:06:24 <DeirdreLee> cgueret2: shouldn't force use of skos for hierarchies, because skos is not enough
Christophe Gueret: shouldn't force use of skos for hierarchies, because skos is not enough ←
11:06:39 <DeirdreLee> PhilA: how common is the problem that skos is not enough
Phil Archer: how common is the problem that skos is not enough ←
11:07:00 <DeirdreLee> cygri: 2 issues, first is forcing people to use skos and the second that skos is not rich enough
Richard Cyganiak: 2 issues, first is forcing people to use skos and the second that skos is not rich enough ←
11:07:48 <DeirdreLee> ... if skos is not rich enough for your need, you can just extend it
... if skos is not rich enough for your need, you can just extend it ←
11:09:00 <DeirdreLee> ... datacube does not specify that skos has to be used for hierarchy, however is you use skos discovering the hierarchical information is clear
... datacube does not specify that skos has to be used for hierarchy, however is you use skos discovering the hierarchical information is clear ←
11:09:32 <DeirdreLee> ... so datacube only 'forces' you to use skos if you are looking for this predictability
... so datacube only 'forces' you to use skos if you are looking for this predictability ←
11:09:50 <DeirdreLee> ... more difficult to discover properties if skos is not used
... more difficult to discover properties if skos is not used ←
11:10:05 <DeirdreLee> PhilA: do we need a WG to extend SKOS?
Phil Archer: do we need a WG to extend SKOS? ←
11:10:24 <DeirdreLee> cygri: there is a group that is looking into this
Richard Cyganiak: there is a group that is looking into this ←
11:11:23 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: -MakxDekkers ←
11:11:44 <HadleyBeeman> XKOS at the DDI: https://github.com/linked-statistics/xkos/blob/master/xkos.ttl
Hadley Beeman: XKOS at the DDI: https://github.com/linked-statistics/xkos/blob/master/xkos.ttl ←
11:12:35 <Zakim> +MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: +MakxDekkers ←
11:12:39 <DeirdreLee> PhilA: What is the benefit of using Datacube if they don't use skos?
Phil Archer: What is the benefit of using Datacube if they don't use skos? ←
11:12:43 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←
11:12:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see martinA, GLDMeetingRoom, DaveReynolds, Sandro, MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see martinA, GLDMeetingRoom, DaveReynolds, Sandro, MakxDekkers ←
11:12:45 <Zakim> GLDMeetingRoom has Ghislain
Zakim IRC Bot: GLDMeetingRoom has Ghislain ←
11:12:57 <MakxDekkers> zakim, mute me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, mute me ←
11:12:57 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers should now be muted ←
11:13:11 <DeirdreLee> cygri: yes
Richard Cyganiak: yes ←
11:13:56 <PhilA> zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has Ghislain, DeirdreLee, bhyland, cgueret2, BartvanLeeuwen, boris, fadmaa, gatemezi, cygri, HadleyBeeman, PhilA
Phil Archer: zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has Ghislain, DeirdreLee, bhyland, cgueret2, BartvanLeeuwen, boris, fadmaa, gatemezi, cygri, HadleyBeeman, PhilA ←
11:13:56 <Zakim> Ghislain was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: Ghislain was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, PhilA ←
11:13:57 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has bhyland, gatemezi, phila, cygri, hadleybeeman, fadmaa, boris, bartvanleeuwen, cgueret2, deirdrelee
Hadley Beeman: zakim, GLDMeetingRoom has bhyland, gatemezi, phila, cygri, hadleybeeman, fadmaa, boris, bartvanleeuwen, cgueret2, deirdrelee ←
11:13:58 <Zakim> +DeirdreLee, bhyland, cgueret2, BartvanLeeuwen, boris, fadmaa, gatemezi, cygri, HadleyBeeman, PhilA; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +DeirdreLee, bhyland, cgueret2, BartvanLeeuwen, boris, fadmaa, gatemezi, cygri, HadleyBeeman, PhilA; got it ←
11:13:58 <Zakim> bhyland was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: bhyland was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, HadleyBeeman ←
11:13:58 <Zakim> gatemezi was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: gatemezi was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, HadleyBeeman ←
11:13:58 <Zakim> PhilA was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, HadleyBeeman ←
11:13:58 <Zakim> cygri was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, HadleyBeeman ←
11:13:58 <Zakim> HadleyBeeman was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, HadleyBeeman
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11:14:00 <Zakim> fadmaa was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, HadleyBeeman
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11:14:00 <Zakim> boris was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, HadleyBeeman
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11:14:00 <Zakim> BartvanLeeuwen was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, HadleyBeeman
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11:14:00 <Zakim> cgueret2 was already listed in GLDMeetingRoom, HadleyBeeman
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11:15:12 <DeirdreLee> ... different kinds of hierachies should be represented using different model so that the hieranchical subtleties can be captured
... different kinds of hierachies should be represented using different model so that the hieranchical subtleties can be captured ←
11:16:00 <PhilA> PhilA: I am convinced by cygri. Thank you
Phil Archer: I am convinced by cygri. Thank you [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
11:16:48 <DeirdreLee> cygri: proposed response to Frank 'we understand the concern, but we would like to provide a more flexible approach'
Richard Cyganiak: proposed response to Frank 'we understand the concern, but we would like to provide a more flexible approach' ←
11:17:53 <cygri> 1. we would like to provide a simple way of using qb, although we understand that this simplification is not always appropriate
Richard Cyganiak: 1. we would like to provide a simple way of using qb, although we understand that this simplification is not always appropriate ←
11:18:24 <cygri> 2. it's important to allow re-use of existing identifiers that orgs already have; forcing creation of parallel skos hierarchies not good.
Richard Cyganiak: 2. it's important to allow re-use of existing identifiers that orgs already have; forcing creation of parallel skos hierarchies not good. ←
11:18:55 <DaveReynolds> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Apr/0017.html
Dave Reynolds: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Apr/0017.html ←
11:19:12 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds: agrees with cygri
Dave Reynolds: agrees with cygri ←
11:19:32 <bhyland> +1 to cygri's summary, always provide a simple way to use QB
Bernadette Hyland: +1 to cygri's summary, always provide a simple way to use QB ←
11:20:02 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: -MakxDekkers ←
11:20:16 <DeirdreLee> ... cygri's point misses that there is information that skos cannot capture
... cygri's point misses that there is information that skos cannot capture ←
11:20:33 <cygri> 3. even in SKOS there can be multiple hierarchies (e.g. containment and admin reporting)
Richard Cyganiak: 3. even in SKOS there can be multiple hierarchies (e.g. containment and admin reporting) ←
11:21:49 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds: there are genuine reasons for hierarchical representations other than skos
Dave Reynolds: there are genuine reasons for hierarchical representations other than skos ←
11:21:52 <cygri> rephrasing… 3. there are genuine reasons for using other relationships than SKOS broader/narrower, for example when there are multiple hierarchies
Richard Cyganiak: rephrasing… 3. there are genuine reasons for using other relationships than SKOS broader/narrower, for example when there are multiple hierarchies ←
11:22:44 <DeirdreLee> cygri: hierarchical codelist feature allows us to address this
Richard Cyganiak: hierarchical codelist feature allows us to address this ←
11:23:35 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds: Frank is right that it opens the door to confused representations, but it also opens the door to good representations
Dave Reynolds: Franck is right that it opens the door to confused representations, but it also opens the door to good representations ←
11:23:50 <DaveReynolds> s/Frank/Franck/
11:24:34 <DeirdreLee> PROPOSAL: We keep the qb:HierarchicalCodeList and DaveReynolds explaining the reasoning for this
PROPOSED: We keep the qb:HierarchicalCodeList and DaveReynolds explaining the reasoning for this ←
11:24:41 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
11:24:53 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
11:24:56 <gatemezi> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
11:24:59 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
11:25:03 <DaveReynolds> +1 (I will improve email based on this discussion)
Dave Reynolds: +1 (I will improve email based on this discussion) ←
11:25:05 <boris> +1
11:25:16 <cgueret2> +1
Christophe Gueret: +1 ←
11:25:19 <martinA> +1
Martín Álvarez: +1 ←
11:25:24 <MakxDekkers> got disconnected, now passcode 4531# is invalid
Makx Dekkers: got disconnected, now passcode 4531# is invalid ←
11:25:33 <cygri> zakim, code?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, code? ←
11:25:33 <Zakim> the conference code is 4531 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 4531 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), cygri ←
11:25:47 <PhilA> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
11:25:47 <Zakim> the conference code is 4531 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 4531 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA ←
11:25:57 <PhilA> hmm...
Phil Archer: hmm... ←
11:25:57 <bhyland> Sorry Makx!
Bernadette Hyland: Sorry Makx! ←
11:26:01 <Zakim> +MakxDekkers
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11:26:10 <MakxDekkers> OK back in
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11:26:49 <MakxDekkers> zakim, mute me
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11:26:49 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should now be muted
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11:26:54 <cygri> q?
Richard Cyganiak: q? ←
11:27:00 <MakxDekkers> yes
Makx Dekkers: yes ←
11:27:24 <HadleyBeeman> Cygri, is this still up to date then? http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Timetable
Hadley Beeman: Cygri, is this still up to date then? http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Data_Cube_Timetable ←
11:27:31 <MakxDekkers> yes fine now
Makx Dekkers: yes fine now ←
11:28:40 <DeirdreLee> PhilA: in the table of LC comments, there is evidence of use. How extensive is this evidence? Is it enough to get out of CR?
Phil Archer: in the table of LC comments, there is evidence of use. How extensive is this evidence? Is it enough to get out of CR? ←
11:29:21 <DeirdreLee> cygri: there are 2 kinds of implenations we want to consider, one is datasets, the second is consuming applications
Richard Cyganiak: there are 2 kinds of implenations we want to consider, one is datasets, the second is consuming applications ←
11:30:21 <HadleyBeeman> RESOLVED: We keep the qb:HierarchicalCodeList and DaveReynolds explaining the reasoning for this
RESOLVED: We keep the qb:HierarchicalCodeList and DaveReynolds explaining the reasoning for this ←
11:30:22 <DeirdreLee> ... there are plenty of datasets that use qb, whose well-formedness can easily be tested based on spec
... there are plenty of datasets that use qb, whose well-formedness can easily be tested based on spec ←
11:32:20 <DeirdreLee> PhilA: it's not up to datacube to prove that it can be consumed
Phil Archer: it's not up to datacube to prove that it can be consumed ←
11:33:08 <DeirdreLee> cygri: agree, but, for integration purposes, it is useful to show that there are consuming applications
Richard Cyganiak: agree, but, for integration purposes, it is useful to show that there are consuming applications ←
11:33:30 <DeirdreLee> PhilA: how long would it take to create a document reporting this?
Phil Archer: how long would it take to create a document reporting this? ←
11:33:45 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
11:34:16 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds: What is missing is exactly what terms have been used
Dave Reynolds: What is missing is exactly what terms have been used ←
11:34:54 <DeirdreLee> ... but this is based on the CR criteria of all the vocabularies
... but this is based on the CR criteria of all the vocabularies ←
11:34:56 <sandro> +1 we need a broader discussion of CR criteria. (I'm not very comfortable with ignoring consumers.)
Sandro Hawke: +1 we need a broader discussion of CR criteria. (I'm not very comfortable with ignoring consumers.) ←
11:35:15 <DeirdreLee> PhilA: answer from cygri on if we can skip CR is 'no'
Phil Archer: answer from cygri on if we can skip CR is 'no' ←
11:36:03 <sandro> (CR is both a validation of the market and of the technology)
Sandro Hawke: (CR is both a validation of the market and of the technology) ←
11:36:15 <DeirdreLee> cygri: if we wanted to, we could create a small implementation report, reaching out to community using qb
Richard Cyganiak: if we wanted to, we could create a small implementation report, reaching out to community using qb ←
11:36:29 <DeirdreLee> ... but this engagement would take more than 2 or 3 weeks
... but this engagement would take more than 2 or 3 weeks ←
11:37:11 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: we will add an item to the agenda 'CR exit criteria'
Bernadette Hyland: we will add an item to the agenda 'CR exit criteria' ←
11:38:25 <MakxDekkers> have to leave -- lunch is being served. back at 13:30 your time
Makx Dekkers: have to leave -- lunch is being served. back at 13:30 your time ←
11:38:33 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers
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11:38:33 <HadleyBeeman> cheers, makxdekkers
Hadley Beeman: cheers, makxdekkers ←
11:38:58 <DeirdreLee> cgueret:: is there plans in qb to include openannotation for tagging?
Christophe Gueret: : is there plans in qb to include openannotation for tagging? ←
11:39:48 <DeirdreLee> cygri: this issue comes up often with lots of different vocabularies, for example prov, how to we treat their relations with other vocabularies
Richard Cyganiak: this issue comes up often with lots of different vocabularies, for example prov, how to we treat their relations with other vocabularies ←
11:40:08 <DeirdreLee> ... better to address this issue generally for a link to any other vocabulary
... better do address this issue generally for a link do any other vocabulary ←
11:40:31 <DeirdreLee> s/to/do
11:41:13 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
11:41:24 <DeirdreLee> ... these are orthogonal issues, so should not be closely tied within the vocab spec
... these are orthogonal issues, so should not be closely tied within the vocab spec ←
11:42:03 <PhilA> ack DaveReynolds
Phil Archer: ack DaveReynolds ←
11:42:21 <DeirdreLee> DaveReynolds: might it be worthwhile to document this in the bp guide?
Dave Reynolds: might it be worthwhile to document this in the bp guide? ←
11:43:06 <cygri> DaveReynolds++ great phrasing
Richard Cyganiak: DaveReynolds++ great phrasing ←
11:43:12 <DeirdreLee> ... interlinking vocabularies should be loosely coupled so they may be mix and matched
... interlinking vocabularies should be loosely coupled so they may be mix and matched ←
11:43:19 <DeirdreLee> bhyland: like lego :)
Bernadette Hyland: like lego :) ←
11:44:20 <DeirdreLee> cygri: discussion on datacube done
Richard Cyganiak: discussion on datacube done ←
11:44:49 <HadleyBeeman> And to lunch. We're back here for 13:45 (1 hour from now)
Hadley Beeman: And to lunch. We're back here for 13:45 (1 hour from now) ←
11:44:54 <cygri> DaveReynolds: vocabularies as modular building blocks… don't artificially tightly couple them
Dave Reynolds: vocabularies as modular building blocks… don't artificially tightly couple them [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
11:45:00 <DeirdreLee> HadleyBeeman: will reconvene at 13:45 Irish time
Hadley Beeman: will reconvene at 13:45 Irish time ←
11:45:03 <martinA> ok, bye
Martín Álvarez: ok, bye ←
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11:45:13 <Zakim> -Sandro
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11:45:22 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
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12:08:58 <Zakim> +Mike_Pendleton
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12:21:13 <sandro> Hey Mike. They're at lunch until :45
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Sandro Hawke: Hey Mike. They're at lunch until :45 ←
12:33:55 <Mike_Pendleton> Thanks Sandro
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12:47:49 <MakxDekkers> let us know when you resume
Makx Dekkers: let us know when you resume ←
12:48:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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12:49:08 <Zakim> +??P32
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12:49:26 <martinA> zakim, ??P32 is me
Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??P32 is me ←
12:49:26 <Zakim> +martinA; got it
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12:52:50 <Zakim> +MakxDekkers
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12:53:26 <MakxDekkers> can we get hangout visual back?
Makx Dekkers: can we get hangout visual back? ←
12:54:31 <MakxDekkers> thanks, hangout is back
Makx Dekkers: thanks, hangout is back ←
12:54:32 <PhilA> Derirde will sort the Google Hangout thing shortly MakxDekkers
Phil Archer: Derirde will sort the Google Hangout thing shortly MakxDekkers ←
12:54:41 <MakxDekkers> I can see you
Makx Dekkers: I can see you ←
12:59:08 <MakxDekkers> zkaim, mute me
Makx Dekkers: zkaim, mute me ←
12:59:13 <MakxDekkers> zakim, mute me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, mute me ←
12:59:13 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers should now be muted ←
12:59:32 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←
12:59:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see GLDMeetingRoom, Sandro, Mike_Pendleton, DaveReynolds, martinA, MakxDekkers (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GLDMeetingRoom, Sandro, Mike_Pendleton, DaveReynolds, martinA, MakxDekkers (muted) ←
12:59:34 <Zakim> GLDMeetingRoom has DeirdreLee, bhyland, cgueret2, BartvanLeeuwen, boris, fadmaa, gatemezi, cygri, HadleyBeeman, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: GLDMeetingRoom has DeirdreLee, bhyland, cgueret2, BartvanLeeuwen, boris, fadmaa, gatemezi, cygri, HadleyBeeman, PhilA ←
12:59:40 <MakxDekkers> hearing lots of noise
Makx Dekkers: hearing lots of noise ←
12:59:43 <HadleyBeeman> Welcome back from lunch
Hadley Beeman: Welcome back from lunch ←
12:59:46 <Zakim> -Mike_Pendleton
Zakim IRC Bot: -Mike_Pendleton ←
12:59:54 <MakxDekkers> feedback ;)
Makx Dekkers: feedback ;) ←
13:00:04 <DeirdreLee> hey, if you want to join visually via google hangout, post email address
hey, if you want to join visually via google hangout, post email address ←
13:00:08 <bhyland> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F3#DRAFT_Agenda
13:00:14 <Zakim> +Mike_Pendleton
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13:00:36 <martinA> Please, DeirdreLee martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org
Martín Álvarez: Please, DeirdreLee martin.alvarez@fundacionctic.org ←
13:01:06 <MakxDekkers> OK now
Makx Dekkers: OK now ←
13:01:50 <fadmaa> presentation for DCAT LC comments:
Fadi Maali: presentation for DCAT LC comments: ←
13:01:51 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/7/7b/Dcat-lc-comments.pptx
Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/7/7b/Dcat-lc-comments.pptx ←
13:05:45 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/7/7b/Dcat-lc-comments.pptx
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/7/7b/Dcat-lc-comments.pptx ←
13:06:58 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←
13:06:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see GLDMeetingRoom, Sandro, DaveReynolds, martinA, MakxDekkers (muted), Mike_Pendleton
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GLDMeetingRoom, Sandro, DaveReynolds, martinA, MakxDekkers (muted), Mike_Pendleton ←
13:07:00 <Zakim> GLDMeetingRoom has DeirdreLee, bhyland, cgueret2, BartvanLeeuwen, boris, fadmaa, gatemezi, cygri, HadleyBeeman, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: GLDMeetingRoom has DeirdreLee, bhyland, cgueret2, BartvanLeeuwen, boris, fadmaa, gatemezi, cygri, HadleyBeeman, PhilA ←
13:07:17 <MakxDekkers> Not very well
Makx Dekkers: Not very well ←
13:07:27 <bhyland> We just moved the mic next to Fadi
Bernadette Hyland: We just moved the mic next to Fadi ←
13:07:27 <martinA> Better
Martín Álvarez: Better ←
13:07:31 <MakxDekkers> better
Makx Dekkers: better ←
13:07:31 <martinA> good, thanks
Martín Álvarez: good, thanks ←
13:08:36 <bhyland> Topic: DCAT Last Call Comments
Summary: There are 23 issues on the wiki page and cygri proposes we get guidance from WG on what editors can safely edit vs. are possibly substantive ...
13:08:52 <bhyland> Facilitator: Fadi
Bernadette Hyland: Facilitator: Fadi ←
13:08:55 <bhyland> Scribe: Bernadette
(Scribe set to Bernadette Hyland)
13:09:13 <MakxDekkers> can faadi speak a little slower please
Makx Dekkers: can faadi speak a little slower please ←
13:09:15 <bhyland> Slides for Fadi's pres: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/7/7b/Dcat-lc-comments.pptx
Slides for Fadi's pres: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/7/7b/Dcat-lc-comments.pptx ←
13:10:13 <bhyland> Fadi plans to highlight the issues raised followed by more detailed discussion.
Fadi plans to highlight the issues raised followed by more detailed discussion. ←
13:10:18 <MakxDekkers> please refer to slide number
Makx Dekkers: please refer to slide number ←
13:10:31 <cygri> slide "Changes to existing terms"
Richard Cyganiak: slide "Changes to existing terms" ←
13:11:00 <bhyland> Slide: 9
Slide: 9 ←
13:11:05 <gatemezi> slide 9: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Apr/0009.html
Ghislain Atemezing: slide 9: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Apr/0009.html ←
13:11:15 <MakxDekkers> what about slide 8?
Makx Dekkers: what about slide 8? ←
13:11:35 <DaveReynolds> Very hard to follow. Was anything decided on sdates
Dave Reynolds: Very hard to follow. Was anything decided on dates? ←
13:11:43 <DaveReynolds> s/sdates/dates?/
13:11:46 <PhilA> no, not that I know of DaveReynolds
Phil Archer: no, not that I know of DaveReynolds ←
13:12:14 <bhyland> Slides 2-7 were all editorial mods that Fadi will handle.
Slides 2-7 were all editorial mods that Fadi will handle. ←
13:12:57 <MakxDekkers> I strongly agree with Phil that using "01" is a bad idea
Makx Dekkers: I strongly agree with Phil that using "01" is a bad idea ←
13:13:06 <bhyland> Slide 8: Noted but need to discuss.
Slide 8: Noted but need to discuss. ←
13:14:52 <bhyland> Richard: As a procedural note, editors must be clear on action plan for 1) editorial changes (ed's just do it); 2) requires WG input - will be tough to do in R/T in F2F, suggest raising formal issues in Tracker
Richard Cyganiak: As a procedural note, editors must be clear on action plan for 1) editorial changes (ed's just do it); 2) requires WG input - will be tough to do in R/T in F2F, suggest raising formal issues in Tracker ←
13:16:17 <bhyland> … Note: Substantial vs. non-substantial changes must be noted. In the case of *substantial* comments it implies we'll go to another LC so everyone has a chance of looking at the entire thing. No one should be surprised when it comes out as a Rec track deliverable.
… Note: Substantial vs. non-substantial changes must be noted. In the case of *substantial* comments it implies we'll go to another LC so everyone has a chance of looking at the entire thing. No one should be surprised when it comes out as a Rec track deliverable. ←
13:16:53 <bhyland> … Modifications that cause changes to conformance are considered substantial.
… Modifications that cause changes to conformance are considered substantial. ←
13:17:38 <bhyland> … editorial changes are fixing: typos, improving clarification, and similar level changes — that is all non-substantive
… editorial changes are fixing: typos, improving clarification, and similar level changes — that is all non-substantive ←
13:18:04 <bhyland> Slide 9: Changes to existing terms, needs more discussion.
Slide 9: Changes to existing terms, needs more discussion. ←
13:18:30 <bhyland> Slide 10: Also change to existing terms, submitted by Makx
Slide 10: Also change to existing terms, submitted by Makx ←
13:19:24 <bhyland> Agreed, not substantive.
Agreed, not substantive. ←
13:19:50 <bhyland> Slide: 11: Change to existing terms from Bill Roberts
Slide: 11: Change to existing terms from Bill Roberts ←
13:19:57 <MakxDekkers> There is a proposed vocabulary but it was never finalised
Makx Dekkers: There is a proposed vocabulary but it was never finalised ←
13:20:35 <bhyland> Slide 12: Changes to existing terms from JeniT
Slide 12: Changes to existing terms from JeniT ←
13:20:51 <bhyland> Needs further discussion
Needs further discussion ←
13:21:03 <MakxDekkers> http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/metadata/dcmi/collection-DCCDAccrualPeriodicity/
Makx Dekkers: http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/metadata/dcmi/collection-DCCDAccrualPeriodicity/ ←
13:21:04 <bhyland> Slide 13: Changes to existing terms
Slide 13: Changes to existing terms ←
13:21:14 <MakxDekkers> going too fast for me
Makx Dekkers: going too fast for me ←
13:21:35 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments ←
13:22:14 <MakxDekkers> what was the conclusion on slide 13?
Makx Dekkers: what was the conclusion on slide 13? ←
13:22:43 <bhyland> Needs further discussion (just arrived this AM)
Needs further discussion (just arrived this AM) ←
13:22:48 <MakxDekkers> OK
Makx Dekkers: OK ←
13:22:56 <bhyland> Slide 14: Adding new terms from JeniT
Slide 14: Adding new terms from JeniT ←
13:23:08 <bhyland> Needs further discussion
Needs further discussion ←
13:23:31 <MakxDekkers> DCAT call would be good idea
Makx Dekkers: DCAT call would be good idea ←
13:23:47 <bhyland> Action: Fadi to organize a call with people who are able to help resolve open DCAT issues.
ACTION: Fadi to organize a call with people who are able to help resolve open DCAT issues. ←
13:23:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-112 - Organize a call with people who are able to help resolve open DCAT issues. [on Fadi Maali - due 2013-04-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-112 - Organize a call with people who are able to help resolve open DCAT issues. [on Fadi Maali - due 2013-04-18]. ←
13:23:58 <bhyland> Slide 15: Adding new terms
Slide 15: Adding new terms ←
13:24:34 <bhyland> Possible plan to follow what ADMS does but requires further discussion.
Possible plan to follow what ADMS does but requires further discussion. ←
13:24:48 <bhyland> Slide 16: Adding new terms from ChristopherG
Slide 16: Adding new terms from ChristopherG ←
13:25:31 <bhyland> Possible plan to follow what ADMS or OpenOrg does but requires further discussion.
Possible plan to follow what ADMS or OpenOrg does but requires further discussion. ←
13:25:34 <MakxDekkers> Correct
Makx Dekkers: Correct ←
13:26:30 <bhyland> Slide 17: Adding new terms from Bill R
Slide 17: Adding new terms from Bill R ←
13:27:03 <bhyland> There doesn't seem to be a vocab to describe granularity, so if DCAT offers it, we may have to come up with a new term.
There doesn't seem to be a vocab to describe granularity, so if DCAT offers it, we may have to come up with a new term. ←
13:27:22 <MakxDekkers> Not sure what "channelling someone" means?
Makx Dekkers: Not sure what "channelling someone" means? ←
13:27:57 <MakxDekkers> OK!
Makx Dekkers: OK! ←
13:28:33 <bhyland> Slide 18: Adding new terms from Ed S.
Slide 18: Adding new terms from Ed S. ←
13:29:09 <MakxDekkers> why not add a relationship to DCAT proper?
Makx Dekkers: why not add a relationship to DCAT proper? ←
13:29:44 <MakxDekkers> lot of people seem to be asking for it
Makx Dekkers: lot of people seem to be asking for it ←
13:30:47 <bhyland> Fadi: Due to concerns of conformance, Fadi is concerned about adding "related" to dct because if will break things.
Fadi Maali: Due to concerns of conformance, Fadi is concerned about adding "related" to dct because if will break things. ←
13:31:03 <MakxDekkers> can we further discuss this?
Makx Dekkers: can we further discuss this? ←
13:31:08 <bhyland> Yes!
Yes! ←
13:31:21 <MakxDekkers> OK
Makx Dekkers: OK ←
13:31:26 <bhyland> Slide: 19
Slide: 19 ←
13:31:35 <bhyland> Scope of DCAT from Stuart H
Scope of DCAT from Stuart H ←
13:31:46 <bhyland> Wants to broaden scope ...
Wants to broaden scope ... ←
13:32:45 <bhyland> Fadi: While many people ask for this, he is concerned about complexity as well as, others specs address this albeit not in RDF.
Fadi Maali: While many people ask for this, he is concerned about complexity as well as, others specs address this albeit not in RDF. ←
13:32:56 <bhyland> Requires further discussion
Requires further discussion ←
13:33:55 <bhyland> Slide 20: Scope of DCAT from AndreaP
Slide 20: Scope of DCAT from AndreaP ←
13:34:53 <bhyland> From INSPIRE Directive team (see http://inspire.jrc.ec.europa.eu/)
From INSPIRE Directive team (see http://inspire.jrc.ec.europa.eu/) ←
13:35:06 <MakxDekkers> One issue is that peopel think that dataset = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_set, so basically tabular data
Makx Dekkers: One issue is that peopel think that dataset = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_set, so basically tabular data ←
13:37:14 <MakxDekkers> not defining is not always good
Makx Dekkers: not defining is not always good ←
13:37:24 <bhyland> Fadi: Mailing list comments have included wider and broader definitions of dataset.
Fadi Maali: Mailing list comments have inferred wider and broader definitions of dataset. ←
13:37:55 <bhyland> s/included/inferred
13:38:27 <MakxDekkers> waht about a dataset on paper?
Makx Dekkers: waht about a dataset on paper? ←
13:38:47 <bhyland> Action: bhyland to add a dataset definition to the glossary (and cygri to help define it!!)
ACTION: bhyland to add a dataset definition to the glossary (and cygri to help define it!!) ←
13:38:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-113 - Add a dataset definition to the glossary (and cygri to help define it!!) [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-04-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-113 - Add a dataset definition to the glossary (and cygri to help define it!!) [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-04-18]. ←
13:39:28 <bhyland> Discussion ensued about what the definition of a "dataset" is.
Discussion ensued about what the definition of a "dataset" is. ←
13:40:09 <MakxDekkers> isn't an API an access point to a dataset?
Makx Dekkers: isn't an API an access point to a dataset? ←
13:40:25 <PhilA> A favourite resolution of Dom in such situations is to 'remain silent'
Phil Archer: A favourite resolution of Dom in such situations is to 'remain silent' ←
13:40:47 <MakxDekkers> not defining creates confusion
Makx Dekkers: not defining creates confusion ←
13:41:00 <bhyland> Cygri: Believes we should avoid defining a "dataset", avoiding controversial edge cases about what a dataset is.
Richard Cyganiak: Believes we should avoid defining a "dataset", avoiding controversial edge cases about what a dataset is. ←
13:41:24 <bhyland> … the scope of DCAT is datasets (but we leave the definition of *what* a dataset is to the reader).
… the scope of DCAT is datasets (but we leave the definition of *what* a dataset is to the reader). ←
13:41:51 <gatemezi> @bhyland: And what will be that *definition* of dataset in a Glossary?
Ghislain Atemezing: @bhyland: And what will be that *definition* of dataset in a Glossary? ←
13:42:06 <MakxDekkers> if a dataset can be anything, just say that
Makx Dekkers: if a dataset can be anything, just say that ←
13:42:47 <bhyland> cgueret: People can use it how they wish ...
Christophe Gueret: People can use it how they wish ... ←
13:43:23 <MakxDekkers> if a dataset can be anything, an API is a dataset
Makx Dekkers: if a dataset can be anything, an API is a dataset ←
13:44:01 <MakxDekkers> never use circular definitions!
Makx Dekkers: never use circular definitions! ←
13:45:00 <DaveReynolds> Seems to me essence of DCAT is data resources that can be transmitted over a comms network. So code list, model etc is a dataset in that sense a person is not. Means that dcat:Dataset = information resource
Dave Reynolds: Seems to me essence of DCAT is data resources that can be transmitted over a comms network. So code list, model etc is a dataset in that sense a person is not. Means that dcat:Dataset = information resource ←
13:45:17 <MakxDekkers> correction: an API is a distribution (access point) of a dataset
Makx Dekkers: correction: an API is a distribution (access point) of a dataset ←
13:45:27 <DaveReynolds> So a dcat Dataset is anything for which http-range-14 doesn't bite :)
Dave Reynolds: So a dcat Dataset is anything for which http-range-14 doesn't bite :) ←
13:46:57 <cygri> Makx++
Richard Cyganiak: Makx++ ←
13:47:00 <bhyland> Fadi proposes dataset = "A collection of data, published or curated by a single source, and available for access or download in one or more formats."
Fadi proposes dataset = "A collection of data, published or curated by a single source, and available for access or download in one or more formats." ←
13:47:13 <MakxDekkers> isn't an API not just an accessURL?
Makx Dekkers: isn't an API not just an accessURL? ←
13:47:58 <bhyland> See above ;-)
See above ;-) ←
13:48:15 <MakxDekkers> or API-URL as subproperty of accessURL
Makx Dekkers: or API-URL as subproperty of accessURL ←
13:48:39 <sandro> "source" or "organization" ?
Sandro Hawke: "source" or "organization" ? ←
13:48:52 <sandro> "foaf:Agent" ?
Sandro Hawke: "foaf:Agent" ? ←
13:49:27 <bhyland> Revision v1.0 - dataset = "A collection of data, published or curated by a single agent, and available for access or download in one or more formats."
Revision v1.0 - dataset = "A collection of data, published or curated by a single agent, and available for access or download in one or more formats." ←
13:49:38 <MakxDekkers> sandro, I made that comment
Makx Dekkers: sandro, I made that comment ←
13:49:56 <MakxDekkers> agree with foaf:Agent
Makx Dekkers: agree with foaf:Agent ←
13:50:50 <bhyland> PhilA: Key stakeholders in greater Open Data on the Web world care about APIs and Access points … there are many ways to access data and we mustn't limit its use.
Phil Archer: Key stakeholders in greater Open Data on the Web world care about APIs and Access points … there are many ways to access data and we mustn't limit its use. ←
13:51:27 <gatemezi> according to the spec; dcat:Dataset dct:publisher foaf:Agent
Ghislain Atemezing: according to the spec; dcat:Dataset dct:publisher foaf:Agent ←
13:53:27 <bhyland> cygri: Again, very concerned about having a precise definition because he doesn't want to exclude constituents who might otherwise use DCAT ...
Richard Cyganiak: Again, very concerned about having a precise definition because he doesn't want to exclude constituents who might otherwise use DCAT ... ←
13:53:32 <MakxDekkers> cygri makes things worse
Makx Dekkers: cygri makes things worse ←
13:53:47 <MakxDekkers> just say "a dataset can be anything"!
Makx Dekkers: just say "a dataset can be anything"! ←
13:54:33 <bhyland> cygri - preferes to talk more about the purpose of DCAT rather than what a "dataset" is.
cygri - preferes to talk more about the purpose of DCAT rather than what a "dataset" is. ←
13:55:24 <bhyland> q?
q? ←
13:56:59 <bhyland> Fadi: Further clarification about properties for a distribution are necessary and will help reduce questions / confusion.
Fadi Maali: Further clarification about properties for a distribution are necessary and will help reduce questions / confusion. ←
13:57:35 <bhyland> PhilA: Most people (at least PhilA) look at the diagram to reflect the spec.
Phil Archer: Most people (at least PhilA) look at the diagram to reflect the spec. ←
13:57:46 <DaveReynolds> Discussion seems to be about APIs but Andrea Perego comment is not (just) about APIs, it's about whether dct Dataset includes code lists, video, software etc
Dave Reynolds: Discussion seems to be about APIs but Andrea Perego comment is not (just) about APIs, it's about whether dct Dataset includes code lists, video, software etc ←
13:57:50 <gatemezi> In the library word: a dataset is "collection of structured metadata — descriptions of things, such as books in a library. The equivalent of a dataset in the library world is a collection of library records." ..see http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/XGR-lld-vocabdataset-20111025/
Ghislain Atemezing: In the library world: a dataset is "collection of structured metadata — descriptions of things, such as books in a library. The equivalent of a dataset in the library world is a collection of library records." ..see http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/XGR-lld-vocabdataset-20111025/ ←
13:58:04 <gatemezi> s/word/world
13:58:06 <DaveReynolds> Answer to that is "yes", isn't it?
Dave Reynolds: Answer to that is "yes", isn't it? ←
13:58:30 <HadleyBeeman> To which, DaveReynolds?
Hadley Beeman: To which, DaveReynolds? ←
13:58:38 <DaveReynolds> My comment
Dave Reynolds: Andrea comment ←
13:58:49 <DaveReynolds> Discussion seems to be about APIs but Andrea Perego comment is not (just) about APIs, it's about whether dct Dataset includes code lists, video, software etc
Dave Reynolds: Discussion seems to be about APIs but Andrea Perego comment is not (just) about APIs, it's about whether dct Dataset includes code lists, video, software etc ←
13:59:00 <DaveReynolds> s/My/Andrea/
13:59:16 <MakxDekkers> what about the text of a law? is that a dataset?
Makx Dekkers: what about the text of a law? is that a dataset? ←
13:59:23 <bhyland> cygri: I have yet to see a proposed use for DCAT that won't work. Meaning, yes, you can use it for what you're planning but we hadn't previously anticipated your use case, but it would work.
Richard Cyganiak: I have yet to see a proposed use for DCAT that won't work. Meaning, yes, you can use it for what you're planning but we hadn't previously anticipated your use case, but it would work. ←
13:59:31 <HadleyBeeman> makxdekkers I think it is on legislation.gov.uk
Hadley Beeman: makxdekkers I think it is on legislation.gov.uk ←
14:00:01 <MakxDekkers> OK fine, that's what I am going to need
Makx Dekkers: OK fine, that's what I am going to need ←
14:00:39 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: -MakxDekkers ←
14:00:54 <bhyland> cygri: DCAT can be used for a broad range of assets and DCAT is about creating a catalog of them.
Richard Cyganiak: DCAT can be used for a broad range of assets and DCAT is about creating a catalog of them. ←
14:00:56 <DaveReynolds> Andrea essentially asks if DCAT applies to "catalogues of any type of information resources". Jokes on http-range-14 aside, that seems right to me.
Dave Reynolds: Andrea essentially asks if DCAT applies to "catalogues of any type of information resources". Jokes on http-range-14 aside, that seems right to me. ←
14:01:08 <Zakim> +MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: +MakxDekkers ←
14:01:51 <MakxDekkers> Agree with Phil, of course!
Makx Dekkers: Agree with Phil, of course! ←
14:02:14 <bhyland> PhilA: DCAT uses AccessURL to point to an API.
Phil Archer: DCAT uses AccessURL to point to an API. ←
14:02:38 <MakxDekkers> Or define API-URL as a subproperty of accessURL
Makx Dekkers: Or define API-URL as a subproperty of accessURL ←
14:03:46 <cygri> "…by a single person, organisation or other kind of agent…"
Richard Cyganiak: "…by a single person, organisation or other kind of agent…" ←
14:04:06 <MakxDekkers> Thinking back to the discussion that led to downloadURL
Makx Dekkers: Thinking back to the discussion that led to downloadURL ←
14:04:17 <cgueret> Or define an API datatype
Christophe Gueret: Or define an API datatype ←
14:05:44 <HadleyBeeman> MaksDekkers: I asked JeniT (wrt her legislation.gov.uk work) re text of law as a dataset. Her response: "I'd more usually think of *all* the legislation making up the dataset, but for sure you could have subsets which could be as small as a single version of a single item of legislation"
Makx Dekkers: I asked JeniT (wrt her legislation.gov.uk work) re text of law as a dataset. Her response: "I'd more usually think of *all* the legislation making up the dataset, but for sure you could have subsets which could be as small as a single version of a single item of legislation" [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
14:05:52 <HadleyBeeman> Does that help?
Hadley Beeman: Does that help? ←
14:06:58 <gatemezi> s/MaksDekkers/MakxDekkers
14:07:00 <bhyland> PhilA: If there someday is a Open Data on the Web WG, would having WSDL for the open data community.
Phil Archer: If there someday is a Open Data on the Web WG, would having WSDL for the open data community be helpful? ←
14:07:09 <PhilA> zakim, call GLDMeetingRoom
Phil Archer: zakim, call GLDMeetingRoom ←
14:07:09 <Zakim> ok, PhilA; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, PhilA; the call is being made ←
14:07:11 <Zakim> +GLDMeetingRoom
Zakim IRC Bot: +GLDMeetingRoom ←
14:07:11 <MakxDekkers> Hadley, The initial answer was clearer: the text of a low is a dataset
Makx Dekkers: Hadley, The initial answer was clearer: the text of a law is a dataset ←
14:07:14 <bhyland> sorry remote callers, Zakim rudely excused himself ...
sorry remote callers, Zakim rudely excused himself ... ←
14:07:19 <bhyland> we're dialing back in now
we're dialing back in now ←
14:07:31 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
14:07:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see GLDMeetingRoom, Sandro, DaveReynolds, martinA, Mike_Pendleton, MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GLDMeetingRoom, Sandro, DaveReynolds, martinA, Mike_Pendleton, MakxDekkers ←
14:07:32 <MakxDekkers> s/low/law/
14:07:34 <Zakim> GLDMeetingRoom has DeirdreLee, bhyland, cgueret2, BartvanLeeuwen, boris, fadmaa, gatemezi, cygri, HadleyBeeman, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: GLDMeetingRoom has DeirdreLee, bhyland, cgueret2, BartvanLeeuwen, boris, fadmaa, gatemezi, cygri, HadleyBeeman, PhilA ←
14:07:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see TallTed, cgueret, screen1, DeirdreLee, bhyland, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, Screen, BartvanLeeuwen, martinA, Mike_Pendleton, gatemezi, cygri, RRSAgent, Zakim, MakxDekkers,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see TallTed, cgueret, screen1, DeirdreLee, bhyland, PhilA, HadleyBeeman, Screen, BartvanLeeuwen, martinA, Mike_Pendleton, gatemezi, cygri, RRSAgent, Zakim, MakxDekkers, ←
14:07:36 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:07:37 <Zakim> ... DaveReynolds, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... DaveReynolds, sandro, trackbot ←
14:07:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see GLDMeetingRoom, Sandro, DaveReynolds, martinA, Mike_Pendleton, MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see GLDMeetingRoom, Sandro, DaveReynolds, martinA, Mike_Pendleton, MakxDekkers ←
14:07:37 <Zakim> GLDMeetingRoom has DeirdreLee, bhyland, cgueret2, BartvanLeeuwen, boris, fadmaa, gatemezi, cygri, HadleyBeeman, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: GLDMeetingRoom has DeirdreLee, bhyland, cgueret2, BartvanLeeuwen, boris, fadmaa, gatemezi, cygri, HadleyBeeman, PhilA ←
14:07:41 <sandro> we're here, yes
Sandro Hawke: we're here, yes ←
14:07:44 <HadleyBeeman> MakxDekkers: It was my definition, as opposed to representing theirs. (Which, it turns out, is a bit more nuanced)
Makx Dekkers: It was my definition, as opposed to representing theirs. (Which, it turns out, is a bit more nuanced) [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ] ←
14:07:49 <MakxDekkers> i'm still here
Makx Dekkers: i'm still here ←
14:08:32 <bhyland> s/WSDL for the open data community./WSDL for the open data community be helpful?
14:09:06 <PhilA> zakim, who's making noise?
Phil Archer: zakim, who's making noise? ←
14:09:16 <MakxDekkers> zakim, mute me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, mute me ←
14:09:16 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers should now be muted ←
14:09:17 <Zakim> PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MakxDekkers (70%), GLDMeetingRoom (74%)
Zakim IRC Bot: PhilA, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MakxDekkers (70%), GLDMeetingRoom (74%) ←
14:11:48 <PhilA> PROPOSAL - That the text be clarified to say that dcat:Distribution is very general. We provide properties defined to describe a particular Distribution type, downloads, and that it is hoped that future work will define extensions for other types of Distribution
Phil Archer: PROPOSAL - That the text be clarified to say that dcat:Distribution is very general. We provide properties defined to describe a particular Distribution type, downloads, and that it is hoped that future work will define extensions for other types of Distribution ←
14:11:54 <bhyland> cygri: Would like to see further editorial content to explain downloadable files in particular.
Richard Cyganiak: Would like to see further editorial content to explain downloadable files in particular. ←
14:12:19 <bhyland> Fadi: Concerned that this change will break implementations.
Fadi Maali: Concerned that this change will break implementations. ←
14:15:06 <bhyland> Slide 21 & 22: Summary of Open Issues
Slide 21 & 22: Summary of Open Issues ←
14:15:39 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments ←
14:17:35 <bhyland> Summary: There are 23 issues on the wiki page and cygri proposes we get guidance from WG on what editors can safely edit vs. are possible substantive ...
14:17:46 <bhyland> s/possible/possibly
14:18:12 <Zakim> -Mike_Pendleton
Zakim IRC Bot: -Mike_Pendleton ←
14:18:47 <DaveReynolds> Didn't we cover that while going through the slides?
Dave Reynolds: Didn't we cover that while going through the slides? ←
14:18:56 <DaveReynolds> Most went down as "needs discussion".
Dave Reynolds: Most went down as "needs discussion". ←
14:19:12 <DaveReynolds> Probably those probably need to be opened as issues for tracking.
Dave Reynolds: Probably those probably need to be opened as issues for tracking. ←
14:19:45 <Zakim> +Mike_Pendleton
Zakim IRC Bot: +Mike_Pendleton ←
14:19:46 <PhilA> zakim, time speakers at 30 seconds
Phil Archer: zakim, time speakers at 30 seconds ←
14:19:46 <Zakim> 60 seconds is the minimum, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: 60 seconds is the minimum, PhilA ←
14:19:56 <PhilA> zakim, time speakers at 60 seconds
Phil Archer: zakim, time speakers at 60 seconds ←
14:19:57 <Zakim> ok, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, PhilA ←
14:19:59 <PhilA> ack cygri
Phil Archer: ack cygri ←
14:20:35 <PhilA> fadi: First point needs no discussion
Fadi Maali: First point needs no discussion [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
14:20:42 <PhilA> .. next 3 do
Phil Archer: .. next 3 do ←
14:20:48 <PhilA> zakim, stop timing speakers
Phil Archer: zakim, stop timing speakers ←
14:20:48 <Zakim> ok, PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, PhilA ←
14:22:14 <PhilA> List of issues is being updated live. Basic resolutions being recorded as to which ones need further discussion and which are editorial http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments
Phil Archer: List of issues is being updated live. Basic resolutions being recorded as to which ones need further discussion and which are editorial http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments ←
14:22:36 <MakxDekkers> agree with cygri, keep it as it is
Makx Dekkers: agree with cygri, keep it as it is ←
14:25:13 <MakxDekkers> can't follwo
Makx Dekkers: can't follwo ←
14:25:21 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments ←
14:25:27 <MakxDekkers> zakim, unmute me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, unmute me ←
14:25:27 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers should no longer be muted ←
14:25:27 <cygri> comment #17
Richard Cyganiak: comment #17 ←
14:25:57 <MakxDekkers> #17 OK
Makx Dekkers: #17 OK ←
14:26:20 <MakxDekkers> #18 OK
Makx Dekkers: #18 OK ←
14:26:24 <PhilA> for HadleyBeeman - you need http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Apr/0009.html as evidence that 18 is resolved
Phil Archer: for HadleyBeeman - you need http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Apr/0009.html as evidence that 17 is resolved ←
14:26:31 <PhilA> s/18/17/
14:26:39 <MakxDekkers> #19 OK
Makx Dekkers: #19 OK ←
14:27:26 <MakxDekkers> #20 OK
Makx Dekkers: #20 OK ←
14:27:37 <MakxDekkers> #21 OK
Makx Dekkers: #21 OK ←
14:27:45 <MakxDekkers> #22 OK
Makx Dekkers: #22 OK ←
14:29:27 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
14:29:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-gld-minutes.html PhilA
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-gld-minutes.html PhilA ←
14:29:27 <martinA> I'm sorry, I have to leave.
Martín Álvarez: I'm sorry, I have to leave. ←
14:29:36 <MakxDekkers> zakim, mute me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, mute me ←
14:29:36 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers should now be muted ←
14:29:46 <HadleyBeeman> 10 minutes break
Hadley Beeman: 10 minutes break ←
14:29:57 <Zakim> -martinA
Zakim IRC Bot: -martinA ←
14:29:59 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: -MakxDekkers ←
14:30:05 <MakxDekkers> be back in 10 mins
Makx Dekkers: be back in 10 mins ←
14:30:08 <martinA> See you tomorrow. Enjoy tonight's dinner
Martín Álvarez: See you tomorrow. Enjoy tonight's dinner ←
14:39:52 <bhyland> Agenda+ BP Timetable recap
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Agenda+ BP Timetable recap ←
14:41:56 <MakxDekkers> passcode 4531# again invalid
Makx Dekkers: passcode 4531# again invalid ←
14:42:09 <HadleyBeeman> Sorry, makxdekkers
Hadley Beeman: Sorry, makxdekkers ←
14:42:26 <PhilA> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
14:42:26 <Zakim> the conference code is 4531 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 4531 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA ←
14:43:12 <HadleyBeeman> makxdekkers, we're trying to find a way to get you in :)
Hadley Beeman: makxdekkers, we're trying to find a way to get you in :) ←
14:43:29 <sandro> MakxDekkers, I bet it's just slightly-distorted DTMF. Try longer tones, or trying repeatedly.
Sandro Hawke: MakxDekkers, I bet it's just slightly-distorted DTMF. Try longer tones, or trying repeatedly. ←
14:45:09 <bhyland> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/BP_Timetable#Detailed_timetable_and_checklist
http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/BP_Timetable#Detailed_timetable_and_checklist ←
14:45:49 <Zakim> +MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: +MakxDekkers ←
14:46:03 <PhilA> Topic: Community Directory
14:46:08 <PhilA> scribe: PhilA
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
14:46:51 <PhilA> bhyland: Discussed timeline
Bernadette Hyland: Discussed timeline ←
14:47:09 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Updating the timeline itself
Hadley Beeman: Updating the timeline itself ←
14:48:05 <PhilA> bhyland: It should be in good shape by the end of this meeting
Bernadette Hyland: It should be in good shape by the end of this meeting ←
14:48:23 <MakxDekkers> zakim, mute me
Makx Dekkers: zakim, mute me ←
14:48:23 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers should now be muted ←
14:48:35 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Suggest we stick to 29th as date of WG approval
Hadley Beeman: Suggest we stick to 29th as date of WG approval ←
14:49:31 <PhilA> sandro: We'll publish a FPWD earliest we can after 29 April and get comments
Sandro Hawke: We'll publish a FPWD earliest we can after 29 April and get comments ←
14:49:55 <PhilA> ... then update the doc and publish that revised version as a Note
... then update the doc and publish that revised version as a Note ←
14:50:25 <Zakim> + +91.80.67.84.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +91.80.67.84.aabb ←
14:50:35 <PhilA> bhyland: Target date would be for 3 weeks for comments -> publication of Note on 21 May
Bernadette Hyland: Target date would be for 3 weeks for comments -> publication of Note on 21 May ←
14:50:55 <PhilA> zakim, aabb is Biplav
zakim, aabb is Biplav ←
14:50:55 <Zakim> +Biplav; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Biplav; got it ←
14:51:09 <sandro> 1. FPWG 2. WGNOTE
Sandro Hawke: 1. FPWD 2. WGNOTE ←
14:51:11 <bhyland> See http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/BP_Timetable#Overview
Bernadette Hyland: See http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/BP_Timetable#Overview ←
14:51:29 <PhilA> s/FPWG/FPWD/
14:52:19 <PhilA> sandro: The date to record really is the one for the meeting when the WG will make the resolution
Sandro Hawke: The date to record really is the one for the meeting when the WG will make the resolution ←
14:52:56 <sandro> Hi PhilA
Sandro Hawke: Hi PhilA ←
14:53:18 <Biplav> q+
Biplav Srivastava: q+ ←
14:53:57 <HadleyBeeman> scribe: hadleybeeman
(Scribe set to Hadley Beeman)
14:54:26 <HadleyBeeman> Topic: Community Directory
14:55:40 <HadleyBeeman> bhyland: Previous version of the Community Directory had a login; UX, admin and user headaches resulted. Over time 75 orgs registered. Beyond having a triple store and storing the data in RDF, it wasn't a linked data application. So we took on board the feedback and spent time re-doing it.
Bernadette Hyland: Previous version of the Community Directory had a login; UX, admin and user headaches resulted. Over time 75 orgs registered. Beyond having a triple store and storing the data in RDF, it wasn't a linked data application. So we took on board the feedback and spent time re-doing it. ←
14:55:53 <HadleyBeeman> … Now it's what we have on dir.w3.org
… Now it's what we have on dir.w3.org ←
14:56:03 <PhilA2> scribe: PhilA2
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
14:56:04 <gatemezi> ComDir: http://dir.w3.org/directory/pages/about.docbook?view
Ghislain Atemezing: ComDir: http://dir.w3.org/directory/pages/about.docbook?view ←
14:56:30 <PhilA2> bhyland: Talks through the input form for the Directory (or rather the RDF generator, Foaf-o-matic style)
Bernadette Hyland: Talks through the input form for the Directory (or rather the RDF generator, Foaf-o-matic style) ←
14:56:38 <sandro> bug report -- click on one of the contacts on http://dir.w3.org/directory/queries/org-view.rq?view&org=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2013%2F04%2Fgldcomdir.ttl%23org and you get five pop-up windows. Or I do, at least. (on firefox.)
Sandro Hawke: bug report -- click on one of the contacts on http://dir.w3.org/directory/queries/org-view.rq?view&org=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2013%2F04%2Fgldcomdir.ttl%23org and you get five pop-up windows. Or I do, at least. (on firefox.) ←
14:57:30 <PhilA2> bhyland: You get your dir.ttl file, publish that on a server somewhere and then tell the directory where to find it
Bernadette Hyland: You get your dir.ttl file, publish that on a server somewhere and then tell the directory where to find it ←
14:57:43 <PhilA2> PhilA2: I don't get those popups (Opera)
Phil Archer: I don't get those popups (Opera) ←
14:58:14 <PhilA2> It's trivial, getting RDF on to people's sites etc.
It's trivial, getting RDF on to people's sites etc. ←
14:58:15 <PhilA2> q+
q+ ←
14:58:19 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
14:58:36 <DaveReynolds> works on Chrome but do get 5 popups on firefox
Dave Reynolds: works on Chrome but do get 5 popups on firefox ←
14:58:39 <DeirdreLee_> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
14:58:42 <PhilA2> bhyland: Putting the data there could be picked up by search etc.
Bernadette Hyland: Putting the data there could be picked up by search etc. ←
14:59:01 <PhilA2> ack Biplav
ack Biplav ←
14:59:25 <PhilA2> Biplav: First of all thank you for putting the Directory online. I see IBM is there
Biplav Srivastava: First of all thank you for putting the Directory online. I see IBM is there ←
14:59:38 <PhilA2> ... I wonder how a richer description could be created
... I wonder how a richer description could be created ←
15:00:03 <PhilA2> ... IBM's Web site has 130 country and language combinations. You see different things depending where you are
... IBM's Web site has 130 country and language combinations. You see different things depending where you are ←
15:00:14 <PhilA2> ... the Web site is managed by multiple groups
... the Web site is managed by multiple groups ←
15:00:41 <PhilA2> ... the basic entry - I'd like to update it with the homepages of the different regions
... the basic entry - I'd like to update it with the homepages of the different regions ←
15:01:21 <PhilA2> ... the main homepage of ibm.com redirects you. Is there a way to extract out the dependencies from data, if provided, based on its location etc.
... the main homepage of ibm.com redirects you. Is there a way to extract out the dependencies from data, if provided, based on its location etc. ←
15:01:47 <PhilA2> bhyland: I love the idea and I'd be happy for 3 Round Stones to compete against others to implement that for you
Bernadette Hyland: I love the idea and I'd be happy for 3 Round Stones to compete against others to implement that for you ←
15:02:15 <PhilA2> bhyland: But it goes well beyond what the directory is currently designed to do
Bernadette Hyland: But it goes well beyond what the directory is currently designed to do ←
15:02:34 <gatemezi> @biplav: why don't you suggest to describe IBM.com using org with all the sub-units?
Ghislain Atemezing: @biplav: why don't you suggest to describe IBM.com using org with all the sub-units? ←
15:02:55 <sandro> +1 vocab-org
Sandro Hawke: +1 vocab-org ←
15:03:02 <PhilA2> Biplav: Part of managing the Web site is part of each unit's responsibility
Biplav Srivastava: Part of managing the Web site is part of each unit's responsibility ←
15:03:27 <fadmaa> q?
Fadi Maali: q? ←
15:03:29 <PhilA2> ... I was wondering whether we could use ORG etc. and so on to do this, distributed data management etc,
... I was wondering whether we could use ORG etc. and so on to do this, distributed data management etc, ←
15:03:33 <PhilA2> q-
q- ←
15:03:38 <fadmaa> q+
Fadi Maali: q+ ←
15:04:03 <PhilA2> bhyland: So you'd like to see 130 different entries for IBM? That's going to skew the data set
Bernadette Hyland: So you'd like to see 130 different entries for IBM? That's going to skew the data set ←
15:04:58 <sandro> Shouldn't we have 10,000 listings, once things are going well?
Sandro Hawke: Shouldn't we have 10,000 listings, once things are going well? ←
15:05:17 <sandro> I mean, there are over 1,000,000 governments in the world.... :-)
Sandro Hawke: I mean, there are over 1,000,000 governments in the world.... :-) ←
15:05:26 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to Sandro
Hadley Beeman: +1 to Sandro ←
15:05:33 <PhilA2> Biplav: There is no central catalogue for IBM, all the parts are locally managed
Biplav Srivastava: There is no central catalogue for IBM, all the parts are locally managed ←
15:05:39 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:06:58 <PhilA2> Furtehr discussion of Biplav's point about the way IBM's Web estate is managed
Furtehr discussion of Biplav's point about the way IBM's Web estate is managed ←
15:07:38 <PhilA2> ... we want to offer the relevant product catalogue - there is no central data source
... we want to offer the relevant product catalogue - there is no central data source ←
15:07:52 <PhilA2> bhyland: It's well beyond the scope of the community directory
Bernadette Hyland: It's well beyond the scope of the community directory ←
15:08:26 <PhilA2> ... we're just trying to provide a basic directory that can hook up different people working on the same thing
... we're just trying to provide a basic directory that can hook up different people working on the same thing ←
15:09:43 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: You're pointing out that the directory only ever gives one result irrespective of the user's location. It would be great to be able to accommodate that power if we can.
Hadley Beeman: You're pointing out that the directory only ever gives one result irrespective of the user's location. It would be great to be able to accommodate that power if we can. ←
15:09:58 <PhilA2> PhilA2: wonders where GeoSPARQL is the way to go here?
Phil Archer: wonders where GeoSPARQL is the way to go here? ←
15:10:37 <PhilA2> bhyland: We need nice looking, easy to use, easy to understand stuff suitably branded that happens to be based on LD
Bernadette Hyland: We need nice looking, easy to use, easy to understand stuff suitably branded that happens to be based on LD ←
15:11:59 <HadleyBeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
15:12:23 <PhilA2> I just got the popup bug sandro
I just got the popup bug sandro ←
15:12:26 <HadleyBeeman> ack bart
Hadley Beeman: ack bart ←
15:12:40 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: Does it only support turtle?
Bart van Leeuwen: Does it only support turtle? ←
15:12:51 <PhilA2> bhyland: I found out today that, for now, yes.
Bernadette Hyland: I found out today that, for now, yes. ←
15:13:04 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: I was thinking about RDFa coming from Drupal for example
Bart van Leeuwen: I was thinking about RDFa coming from Drupal for example ←
15:13:44 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: A Drupal plug in that you could say "here's our company contact page" and then the directory could go off and get it from the RDFa
Bart van Leeuwen: A Drupal plug in that you could say "here's our company contact page" and then the directory could go off and get it from the RDFa ←
15:13:54 <PhilA2> q+
q+ ←
15:14:27 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: I notice that the update works (I've updated my entry)
Bart van Leeuwen: I notice that the update works (I've updated my entry) ←
15:15:02 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: I wouldn't have the instructions for getting into the directory on the homepage. You want the directory itself
Bart van Leeuwen: I wouldn't have the instructions for getting into the directory on the homepage. You want the directory itself ←
15:15:12 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: And would adding more triples make it choke?
Bart van Leeuwen: And would adding more triples make it choke? ←
15:15:18 <PhilA2> bhyland: Good question
Bernadette Hyland: Good question ←
15:15:44 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: How about pointing to Open Corporates?
Bart van Leeuwen: How about pointing to Open Corporates? ←
15:16:17 <PhilA2> q+
q+ ←
15:16:51 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me
Bart van Leeuwen: ack me ←
15:17:14 <sandro> and does opencorps provide a URI for each corp, so we can link?
Sandro Hawke: and does opencorps provide a URI for each corp, so we can link? ←
15:17:17 <HadleyBeeman> ack phil
Hadley Beeman: ack phil ←
15:17:49 <HadleyBeeman> Yes, sandro. Ex http://opencorporates.com/companies/ae_az/301890
Hadley Beeman: Yes, sandro. Ex http://opencorporates.com/companies/ae_az/301890 ←
15:17:54 <PhilA2> bhyland: I like all these ideas
Bernadette Hyland: I like all these ideas ←
15:18:29 <sandro> cool, so what's the property to use to link to those..... hm.
Sandro Hawke: cool, so what's the property to use to link to those..... hm. ←
15:18:44 <PhilA2> q+
q+ ←
15:18:50 <PhilA2> ack de
ack de ←
15:19:03 <PhilA2> DeirdreLee_: I thought it was easy to use, cool
Deirdre Lee: I thought it was easy to use, cool ←
15:19:16 <PhilA2> DeirdreLee_: So it's not just gov linked data - good
Deirdre Lee: So it's not just gov linked data - good ←
15:20:17 <PhilA2> DeirdreLee_: Can we provide a URL for an RDF catalogue for our products/projects?
Deirdre Lee: Can we provide a URL for an RDF catalogue for our products/projects? ←
15:21:10 <PhilA2> DeirdreLee_: You want details of projects etc. We publish that already so it would be good just to point you to it
Deirdre Lee: You want details of projects etc. We publish that already so it would be good just to point you to it ←
15:21:20 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
15:23:17 <PhilA2> Deirdre and Bernadette continue to discuss various aspects
Deirdre and Bernadette continue to discuss various aspects ←
15:24:28 <BartvanLeeuwen> q-
Bart van Leeuwen: q- ←
15:25:39 <PhilA2> bhyland: The generator is just a foaf-o-matic. The directory will re-crawl the data every 6 hours so you can update it locally
Bernadette Hyland: The generator is just a foaf-o-matic. The directory will re-crawl the data every 6 hours so you can update it locally ←
15:26:27 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: It would be good it it crawled so it would crawl multiple files/sources
Bart van Leeuwen: It would be good it it crawled so it would crawl multiple files/sources ←
15:28:43 <PhilA2> bhyland: You want to be able to put ttl files across the site?
Bernadette Hyland: You want to be able to put ttl files across the site? ←
15:29:29 <sandro> or owl:import for something stronger than rdfs:seeAlso
Sandro Hawke: or owl:import for something stronger than rdfs:seeAlso ←
15:29:34 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: No, if my file references to other files then will it/can it harvest them too?
Bart van Leeuwen: No, if my file references to other files then will it/can it harvest them too? ←
15:30:26 <HadleyBeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
15:30:27 <gatemezi> @Sandro: owl:import is still in use out there ? :)
Ghislain Atemezing: @Sandro: owl:import is still in use out there ? :) ←
15:31:24 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: Querying company type list. Seems a little limited so far
Hadley Beeman: Querying company type list. Seems a little limited so far ←
15:33:03 <Zakim> -Biplav
Zakim IRC Bot: -Biplav ←
15:33:29 <PhilA2> ack fadmaa
ack fadmaa ←
15:33:34 <HadleyBeeman> q-
Hadley Beeman: q- ←
15:33:48 <PhilA2> fadmaa: I like that I can get the entry specific RDF. Can I get all of it in one go?
Fadi Maali: I like that I can get the entry specific RDF. Can I get all of it in one go? ←
15:34:11 <fadmaa> ack me
Fadi Maali: ack me ←
15:34:16 <PhilA2> ack me
ack me ←
15:34:44 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: -MakxDekkers ←
15:36:11 <Zakim> +MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: +MakxDekkers ←
15:37:38 <PhilA2> zakim, mute MakxDekkers
zakim, mute MakxDekkers ←
15:37:38 <Zakim> MakxDekkers should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MakxDekkers should now be muted ←
15:38:28 <sandro> +1 folks should publish all the data they want, and let the directory filter!
Sandro Hawke: +1 folks should publish all the data they want, and let the directory filter! ←
15:38:32 <sandro> q?
Sandro Hawke: q? ←
15:38:36 <HadleyBeeman> q+ to start the conversation about what's next for the Community Directory
Hadley Beeman: q+ to start the conversation about what's next for the Community Directory ←
15:39:07 <sandro> If the data is too big, use SPARQL.
Sandro Hawke: If the data is too big, use SPARQL. ←
15:40:44 <PhilA2> ack HadleyBeeman
ack HadleyBeeman ←
15:40:44 <Zakim> HadleyBeeman, you wanted to start the conversation about what's next for the Community Directory
Zakim IRC Bot: HadleyBeeman, you wanted to start the conversation about what's next for the Community Directory ←
15:41:59 <PhilA2> I did this recently - similar http://philarcher.org/diary/2013/euromap/
I did this recently - similar http://philarcher.org/diary/2013/euromap/ ←
15:43:40 <PhilA2> agreement that the problem is projection, not the implementation
agreement that the problem is projection, not the implementation ←
15:43:42 <sandro> looking again at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection#Equal-area
Sandro Hawke: looking again at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection#Equal-area ←
15:43:55 <PhilA2> could make the colours less stark by reducing contrast
could make the colours less stark by reducing contrast ←
15:44:18 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: You could use OSM with pins rather than colouring the whole country
Hadley Beeman: You could use OSM with pins rather than colouring the whole country ←
15:44:45 <sandro> size of the pin
Sandro Hawke: size of the pin ←
15:44:46 <sandro> yes
Sandro Hawke: yes ←
15:44:50 <Mike_Pendleton> yes
Michael Pendleton: yes ←
15:44:54 <sandro> size of the a circle.
Sandro Hawke: size of the a circle. ←
15:44:59 <bhyland> Here is the map I'm projecting: http://usepa.3roundstones.net/rdf/2012/usepa/nuclear-demo/nuclear-map.xhtml?view
Bernadette Hyland: Here is the map I'm projecting: http://usepa.3roundstones.net/rdf/2012/usepa/nuclear-demo/nuclear-map.xhtml?view ←
15:45:08 <Mike_Pendleton> +1
Michael Pendleton: +1 ←
15:47:19 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: What actually is the map for?
Hadley Beeman: What actually is the map for? ←
15:47:23 <DaveReynolds> Decision to make is whether you want to use this for navigation or to summarize where things are hot.
Dave Reynolds: Decision to make is whether you want to use this for navigation or to summarize where things are hot. ←
15:47:35 <PhilA2> bhyland: To show potential decision makers what's available. Location often matters
Bernadette Hyland: To show potential decision makers what's available. Location often matters ←
15:47:42 <DaveReynolds> For navigation use pins. For density of activity use a heat map.
Dave Reynolds: For navigation use pins. For density of activity use a heat map. ←
15:49:07 <gatemezi> It seems like http://dir.w3.org/directory/schema# is 404...
Ghislain Atemezing: It seems like http://dir.w3.org/directory/schema# is 404... ←
15:49:18 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: Government departments like working with people who have experience of their area
Hadley Beeman: Government departments like working with people who have experience of their area ←
15:52:20 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: You could include social media presence (as org:Organization equivalent class foaf:Organization)
Bart van Leeuwen: You could include social media presence (as org:Organization equivalent class foaf:Organization) ←
15:53:00 <gatemezi> q+
Ghislain Atemezing: q+ ←
15:53:35 <Zakim> -MakxDekkers
Zakim IRC Bot: -MakxDekkers ←
15:54:23 <gatemezi> http://leafletjs.com/examples/quick-start.html
Ghislain Atemezing: http://leafletjs.com/examples/quick-start.html ←
15:54:33 <PhilA2> gatemezi: You can include locations as well as addresses
Ghislain Atemezing: You can include locations as well as addresses ←
15:54:37 <HadleyBeeman> http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#sec-glance for the Social Web
Hadley Beeman: http://xmlns.com/foaf/spec/#sec-glance for the Social Web ←
15:54:40 <PhilA2> q- gatemezi
q- gatemezi ←
15:55:04 <PhilA2> gatemezi: You can show the location on a map on the page
Ghislain Atemezing: You can show the location on a map on the page ←
15:55:21 <PhilA2> gatemezi: Also the dir schema itslef is a 404
Ghislain Atemezing: Also the dir schema itslef is a 404 ←
15:57:48 <MakxDekkers> all, just ran out of credit and got disconnected. planning to start fresh tomorrow at 10 your time. have a nice dinner
Makx Dekkers: all, just ran out of credit and got disconnected. planning to start fresh tomorrow at 10 your time. have a nice dinner ←
15:58:00 <HadleyBeeman> Bye, Makxdekkers!
Hadley Beeman: Bye, Makxdekkers! ←
15:58:01 <PhilA2> thanks MakxDekkers - bye
thanks MakxDekkers - bye ←
15:59:30 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: It's 5 o'clock
Hadley Beeman: It's 5 o'clock ←
15:59:30 <fadmaa> I also suggest reconsidering the 3D pie charts... they've got awful reputation :)
Fadi Maali: I also suggest reconsidering the 3D pie charts... they've got awful reputation :) ←
16:03:10 <PhilA> topic: The future of the Community Directory
16:03:11 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Community_Directory_Timetable
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Community_Directory_Timetable ←
16:03:50 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: We have the idea that the directory needs a new supporting group
Hadley Beeman: We have the idea that the directory needs a new supporting group ←
16:04:09 <PhilA> bhyland: We're on the way to setting up a Community Group to support it
Bernadette Hyland: We're on the way to setting up a Community Group to support it ←
16:05:30 <PhilA> PhilA: Questions the long term sustainability of a CG dedicated to this
Phil Archer: Questions the long term sustainability of a CG dedicated to this ←
16:06:26 <PhilA> sandro: Is it only LD, is it only government? Is it anything vaguely touching on W3C?
Sandro Hawke: Is it only LD, is it only government? Is it anything vaguely touching on W3C? ←
16:06:36 <PhilA> sandro: If we can slide it that way then it's plenty sexy
Sandro Hawke: If we can slide it that way then it's plenty sexy ←
16:06:49 <PhilA> sandro: It's a directory of people associated with W3C technology
Sandro Hawke: It's a directory of people associated with W3C technology ←
16:07:12 <PhilA> q+
q+ ←
16:07:42 <sandro> sandro: How about the CG is: Building a Decentralized Directory of People/Organizations/Projects Related to W3C Technologies (Starting With Government Linked Data)
Sandro Hawke: How about the CG is: Building a Decentralized Directory of People/Organizations/Projects Related to W3C Technologies (Starting With Government Linked Data) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
16:08:37 <PhilA> q-
q- ←
16:10:28 <sandro> +1 at some point flag W3C Members as such.
Sandro Hawke: +1 at some point flag W3C Members as such. ←
16:10:41 <PhilA> BartvanLeeuwen: Should the directory highlight members?
Bart van Leeuwen: Should the directory highlight members? ←
16:10:43 <PhilA> +1
+1 ←
16:10:46 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
16:10:50 <HadleyBeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
16:10:51 <PhilA> agreement on that
agreement on that ←
16:10:55 <sandro> https://www.w3.org/Member/ACList and the RDF is somewhere....
Sandro Hawke: https://www.w3.org/Member/ACList and the RDF is somewhere.... ←
16:10:58 <DaveReynolds> 0
Dave Reynolds: 0 ←
16:14:20 <PhilA> bhyland: Aim was to highlight the ecosystem of LD
Bernadette Hyland: Aim was to highlight the ecosystem of LD ←
16:14:35 <PhilA> ... want 100s of projects etc.
... want 100s of projects etc. ←
16:15:10 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Are we putting the product ahead of the use case?
Hadley Beeman: Are we putting the product ahead of the use case? ←
16:15:20 <PhilA> BartvanLeeuwen: It's in the charter, there is a demand for it
Bart van Leeuwen: It's in the charter, there is a demand for it ←
16:17:00 <PhilA> bhyland: It's about answering people in gov questioning whether this LD thing is actually supported.
Bernadette Hyland: It's about answering people in gov questioning whether this LD thing is actually supported. ←
16:17:03 <HadleyBeeman> for the government linked data space, yes. But expanding beyond that (to the entire W3C community, however we define that, or everyone who feels connected to the W3C) is very different situation. Merits some signficant scoping and requirements assessment.
Hadley Beeman: for the government linked data space, yes. But expanding beyond that (to the entire W3C community, however we define that, or everyone who feels connected to the W3C) is very different situation. Merits some signficant scoping and requirements assessment. ←
16:17:30 <HadleyBeeman> (that was building on "Are we putting the product ahead of the use case?")
Hadley Beeman: (that was building on "Are we putting the product ahead of the use case?") ←
16:17:56 <PhilA> DeirdreLee_: It's useful for people finding out what other parts of the same organisation are doing, never mind what others are up to
Deirdre Lee: It's useful for people finding out what other parts of the same organisation are doing, never mind what others are up to ←
16:20:07 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: So what are we going to do with the community directory ahead of the charter end
Hadley Beeman: So what are we going to do with the community directory ahead of the charter end ←
16:20:41 <PhilA> bhyland: we can set up a CG but if there's a home it could be in that already exists then we can do that
Bernadette Hyland: we can set up a CG but if there's a home it could be in that already exists then we can do that ←
16:21:41 <PhilA> PhilA: The putative Open Data WG could be a home for it, or yes, a CG
Phil Archer: The putative Open Data WG could be a home for it, or yes, a CG ←
16:22:20 <PhilA> sandro: I think it would be a poor fit for ODWG. It's a specific thing and needs its own group. Not all open data people will want to support the dir
Sandro Hawke: I think it would be a poor fit for ODWG. It's a specific thing and needs its own group. Not all open data people will want to support the dir ←
16:23:01 <PhilA> bhyland: We're not going to wait. We're going to set up a CG with 5+ members
Bernadette Hyland: We're not going to wait. We're going to set up a CG with 5+ members ←
16:23:07 <bhyland> Proposed: Set up a community group with 5 members and plan to move the ongoing support & maintenance to the CG.
PROPOSED: Set up a community group with 5 members and plan to move the ongoing support & maintenance to the CG. ←
16:23:30 <HadleyBeeman> +1
Hadley Beeman: +1 ←
16:23:32 <bhyland> +1
Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←
16:23:33 <PhilA> +1
+1 ←
16:23:33 <BartvanLeeuwen> +
16:23:42 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
16:23:48 <PhilA> RESOLVED Set up a community group with 5 members and plan to move the ongoing support & maintenance to the CG.
RESOLVED Set up a community group with 5 members and plan to move the ongoing support & maintenance to the CG. ←
16:23:49 <fadmaa> +1
Fadi Maali: +1 ←
16:24:19 <DeirdreLee_> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
16:24:22 <bhyland> Action: Bernadette to get the W3 Dir-o-matic Community Group
ACTION: Bernadette to get the W3 Dir-o-matic Community Group ←
16:24:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-114 - Get the W3 Dir-o-matic Community Group [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-04-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-114 - Get the W3 dir.w3.org Community Group [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-04-18]. ←
16:24:48 <PhilA> sandro: Suggest calling it the dir.w3.org CG
Sandro Hawke: Suggest calling it the dir.w3.org CG ←
16:25:07 <bhyland> s/Dir-o-matic/dir.w3.org
16:25:38 <sandro> bhyland, that s/// command wont actually change the action, just how the action appears in these minutes. Messy.
Sandro Hawke: bhyland, that s/// command wont actually change the action, just how the action appears in these minutes. Messy. ←
16:26:08 <PhilA> topic: Tomorrow's agenda
16:26:35 <bhyland> We are closing Day #1 with many things done, not the least of which is a working definition of a "dataset", see https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html#dataset
Bernadette Hyland: We are closing Day #1 with many things done, not the least of which is a working definition of a "dataset", see https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html#dataset ←
16:26:36 <DaveReynolds> Don't think ORG will take an hour.
Dave Reynolds: Don't think ORG will take an hour. ←
16:27:11 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Good news that ORG won't take an hour. How long will it take?
Hadley Beeman: Good news that ORG won't take an hour. How long will it take? ←
16:27:24 <HadleyBeeman> ^davereynolds?
Hadley Beeman: ^davereynolds? ←
16:28:07 <DaveReynolds> Hmm. Mic problem. Was trying to say it is probably 30min but might be surprised by what discussion is sparked.
Dave Reynolds: Hmm. Mic problem. Was trying to say it is probably 30min but might be surprised by what discussion is sparked. ←
16:28:20 <DaveReynolds> Fine
Dave Reynolds: Fine ←
16:29:53 <PhilA> bhyland: We should have a tracker review and cleanup
Bernadette Hyland: We should have a tracker review and cleanup ←
16:30:05 <PhilA> rrsagent, generate minutes
rrsagent, generate minutes ←
16:30:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-gld-minutes.html PhilA
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2013/04/11-gld-minutes.html PhilA ←
16:30:49 <sandro> ?
Sandro Hawke: ? ←
16:31:03 <sandro> so fix the typos?
Sandro Hawke: so fix the typos? ←
16:32:29 <Zakim> -Mike_Pendleton
Zakim IRC Bot: -Mike_Pendleton ←
16:32:34 <sandro> PhilA, so are you editing the minutes at all? because if so our data is all out of sync.
Sandro Hawke: PhilA, so are you editing the minutes at all? because if so our data is all out of sync. ←
16:33:39 <PhilA> meeting adjourned
meeting adjourned ←
16:33:51 <DaveReynolds> bye all, have a good evening
Dave Reynolds: bye all, have a good evening ←
16:34:03 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds
Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds ←
16:34:12 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:34:14 <bhyland> Bye all, I'll drink a pint of Guiness for you!
Bernadette Hyland: Bye all, I'll drink a pint of Guiness for you! ←
16:35:36 <bhyland> Dinner at 19.00 at http://www.elephantandcastle.ie/
Bernadette Hyland: Dinner at 19.00 at http://www.elephantandcastle.ie/ ←
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Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, GLDMeetingRoom, in T&S_(GLD)3:00AM ←
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Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_(GLD)3:00AM has ended ←
17:05:02 <Zakim> Attendees were +34.63.926.aaaa, MakxDekkers, martinA, DaveReynolds, bhyland, BartvanLeeuwen, cygri, Christophe, PhilA3, HadleyBeeman, Boris, Deirdre, fadmaa, Ghislain, Sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +34.63.926.aaaa, MakxDekkers, martinA, DaveReynolds, bhyland, BartvanLeeuwen, cygri, Christophe, PhilA3, HadleyBeeman, Boris, Deirdre, fadmaa, Ghislain, Sandro, ←
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Zakim IRC Bot: ... DeirdreLee, cgueret2, gatemezi, PhilA, Mike_Pendleton, GLDMeetingRoom, +91.80.67.84.aabb, Biplav ←
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