IRC log of audio on 2011-12-12

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21:01:22 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, make logs world

21:01:24 [trackbot]

Zakim, this will be 28346

21:01:24 [Zakim]

ok, trackbot; I see RWC_Audio()4:00PM scheduled to start now

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Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 12 December 2011

21:01:33 [olivier]

zakim, agenda?

21:01:33 [Zakim]

I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:

21:01:34 [Zakim]

1. Review of action items and resolutions from last week [from olivier]

21:01:36 [Zakim]

2. Splitting work on use cases and requirements [from olivier]

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3. Intro to Tracker [from olivier]

21:01:38 [Zakim]

4. f2f logistics [from olivier]

21:01:39 [Zakim]

5. Any other business [from olivier]

21:02:16 [olivier]

zakim, who is here?

21:02:16 [Zakim]

I notice RWC_Audio()4:00PM has restarted

21:02:18 [Zakim]

On the phone I see chrislo, kinetik, olivier, Michelle_Park, Doug_Schepers

21:02:19 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, chris, Zakim, chrislo, MikeSmith, colinbdclark, kinetik, foolip, trackbot, olivier, shepazu, paul_irish

21:02:50 [shepazu]

shepazu has changed the topic to: Telcon code 28346 ("AUDIO")

21:03:13 [olivier]

Last minutes -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-audio/2011OctDec/0132.html

21:04:02 [olivier]

scribeNick: chrislo

21:04:15 [olivier]

zakim, take up agendum 1

21:04:15 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Review of action items and resolutions from last week" taken up [from olivier]

21:04:51 [chrislo]

Al sends his regrets.

21:05:00 [chrislo]

Action 1 from previous meeting is done.

21:05:01 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - 1

21:05:19 [chrislo]

shepazu: Action 2 is in progress

21:05:43 [chrislo]

olivier: has integrated WebRTC use cases into our doc. (Action 3)

21:05:51 [olivier]

http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Use-Cases#Requirements_from_the_Real-Time_Communications_Working_Group

21:06:31 [chrislo]

olivier: the WebRTC have more requirements than use cases, so we'll need to find common terminology.

21:06:40 [olivier]

trackbot, close action-5

21:06:41 [trackbot]

ACTION-5 Integrate WebRTC use cases into our doc closed

21:06:47 [chrislo]

but this looks good enough for the time being. So closing.

21:08:37 [chrislo]

chris: is a bit concerned about changing the name since the API has wide coverage so far. Doesn't want to cause confusion by changing the name at this point.

21:09:15 [chrislo]

olivier: the reason this was proposed was to keep the next steps as neutral as possible at this stage. Hence wanting to switch away from the generic name.

21:09:32 [chrislo]

olivier: remembers Roq saying he could live with keeping the names as currently.

21:09:42 [olivier]

s/Roq/ROC/

21:09:54 [chrislo]

chris: suggests that the umbrella name is "Audio processing API" and keep the names as current.

21:10:05 [chrislo]

olivier: looking for consensus.

21:10:47 [chrislo]

Resolution: The three documents will be Audio Processing API for the umbrella, and Web Audio API / Media Streaming API for the two proposals respectively.

21:10:50 [olivier]

zakim, take up agenda 4

21:10:50 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "f2f logistics" taken up [from olivier]

21:12:15 [chrislo]

chris: can make enquires about whether Google could host the meeting.

21:12:27 [chrislo]

chris: he can ask his manager.

21:12:56 [chrislo]

olivier: do you think f2f could be held in Southern California / Mountain View.

21:13:17 [chrislo]

chris: if we're choosing NAMM event it would be better if it was close to the event itself.

21:13:35 [chrislo]

chris: I'll have to look into it a bit more.

21:13:51 [chrislo]

chris: asks if Tom Wight had suggestions for a venue.

21:14:35 [chrislo]

shepazu: looks it up, they don't have the space for 1-2 days.

21:15:16 [chrislo]

shepazu: we should ask if the NAMM members have space for 10 people for 1-2 days

21:15:27 [chrislo]

chris: could look into whether Google could finance that.

21:15:42 [chrislo]

shepazu: will take it off list, keep olivier and chris in the loop.

21:17:10 [chrislo]

olivier: for chrislo and I approval to attend is granted already, we're ok if logistics can be secured.

21:17:26 [chrislo]

olivier: what is the deadline for people to confirm, round the table?

21:17:56 [chrislo]

chris: pretty easy for me. Would be good to attend NAMM as well.

21:19:21 [chrislo]

shepazu: that's the link for anyone interested in attending.

21:20:05 [chrislo]

shepazu: I got an invitation a couple of days ago. The deadline is today for signing up for invites.

21:20:22 [chrislo]

olivier: the invitation, as I understand it, does not have strings attached.

21:20:29 [chrislo]

shepazu: agrees.

21:21:14 [olivier]

zakim, take up agendum 2

21:21:14 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Splitting work on use cases and requirements" taken up [from olivier]

21:22:20 [chrislo]

olivier: could we already get a rough idea of who is planning to work on which areas of the use case and requirements docs.

21:22:45 [olivier]

agenda+ publication of fpwd

21:22:54 [olivier]

http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/wiki/Use-Cases

21:23:04 [chrislo]

olivier: that's the use cases document

21:23:13 [chrislo]

olivier: we have 8 classes at the moment in this document.

21:23:29 [shepazu]

http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets-reqs/#requirements

21:23:53 [chrislo]

olivier: I think we should try, for each class, to make sure the requirements are in line with the template shepazu just posted.

21:26:13 [chrislo]

chris and chrislo mention that the XG group didn't spend too long on the pre-exisiting use case documents.

21:26:43 [chrislo]

olivier: we need to spend a bit of time on this for the WG because it will help us to objectively rationalize/refine the two proposals.

21:26:48 [chrislo]

shepazu: agrees.

21:27:30 [chrislo]

shepazu: we need both use cases and requirements. They're good for communicating with the community and other groups.

21:27:50 [chrislo]

shepazu: make sure there's no surprises and get early involvment from other groups.

21:28:04 [chrislo]

shepazu: and we can advertise what we're working on, to get other people excited.

21:28:37 [chrislo]

shepazu: it also helps if we want to move to candidate recommendation status. It helps to show that the work satisfies widely held needs.

21:28:49 [chrislo]

shepazu: it's good to have a checklist for our own book keeping purposes.

21:29:22 [chrislo]

olivier: asks shepazu to take us through the document.

21:29:22 [olivier]

http://www.w3.org/TR/widgets-reqs/#requirements

21:29:33 [chrislo]

s/the/this

21:30:49 [chrislo]

shepazu: rationale are known issues

21:31:25 [chrislo]

shepazu: this is a pretty rigorous format.

21:31:40 [chrislo]

shepazu: if we split use cases away from the requirements we can link between them.

21:32:11 [chrislo]

shepazu: it will be useful when we have people actively reviewing the document.

21:32:45 [chrislo]

shepazu: need identifier/name, motivation, rationale and a link to the use cases.

21:34:27 [olivier]

ACTION: doug to show example of how to derive requirement from our use cases on the mailing-list

21:34:28 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-6 - Show example of how to derive requirement from our use cases on the mailing-list [on Doug Schepers - due 2011-12-19].

21:34:51 [chrislo]

shepazu: also the two specs have requirements already, so it's fine to "back port" them to this document.

21:35:13 [chrislo]

shepazu: doing this will help us tease out the differences between the two documents.

21:35:39 [shepazu]

q+

21:36:25 [chrislo]

chris: will be able to take a look at back porting the requirements.

21:36:42 [chrislo]

shepazu: doesn't want to cut into chris's time as editor and implementor

21:36:47 [chrislo]

olivier: concurs

21:36:57 [olivier]

ACTION: Chris_Rogers to start back porting requirements from his proposed spec into use cases/reqs doc

21:36:57 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris_Rogers

21:37:46 [chrislo]

shepazu: suggests we start on the wiki, he can convert later to another format.

21:37:47 [olivier]

ACTION: Chris Rogers to start back porting requirements from his proposed spec into use cases/reqs doc

21:37:47 [trackbot]

Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Chris

21:37:47 [trackbot]

Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. clowis, crogers)

21:37:51 [chrislo]

shepazu: will create a page.

21:38:03 [olivier]

ACTION: CRogers to start back porting requirements from his proposed spec into use cases/reqs doc

21:38:03 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-7 - Start back porting requirements from his proposed spec into use cases/reqs doc [on Chris Rogers - due 2011-12-19].

21:38:53 [olivier]

zakim, take up agendum 6

21:38:53 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "publication of fpwd" taken up [from olivier]

21:39:19 [chrislo]

fpwd = first public working draft

21:39:37 [chrislo]

olivier: asks shepazu to explain the importance of this

21:40:15 [chrislo]

shepazu: people are often asking what is happening with the audio working group, they are not sure of our progress

21:40:24 [chrislo]

shepazu: so publishing frequently is important.

21:40:49 [chrislo]

shepazu: w3c has a policy that we need to publish every 3 months (heartbeat requirement)

21:41:17 [chrislo]

shepazu: many groups are quite lax about this, but it would be good for us in particular to show that we are actively moving forward.

21:41:51 [chrislo]

chris: asks what the process is when publication happens - are they snapshots of a more rapidly changing document?

21:42:03 [chrislo]

chris: should I commit to a repo on a day-to-day basis

21:42:31 [chrislo]

shepazu: we decided to publish three documents as separate documents that are updated on their own time.

21:42:49 [chrislo]

shepazu: the editors draft should always be the most up to date version of the document.

21:43:19 [chrislo]

shepazu: you (chris) should always publish to mercurial repo, when we decide to publish shepazu or Thierry will take a snapshot and publish to TR-space

21:43:26 [chrislo]

TR = technical report.

21:43:57 [chrislo]

chris: I need to get changes back to the trunk repo when changes are made to publication.

21:44:53 [chrislo]

shepazu: changes made in the publication fork should be merged back in. shepazu will work with chris to do this.

21:45:54 [chrislo]

chris: I have some changes to make so should I put them directly in the mercurial repo?

21:45:57 [chrislo]

shepazu: yes.

21:46:12 [chrislo]

shepazu: and let me know, so I can keep the publication up to date.

21:54:28 [chrislo]

shepazu: gives a brief update on recruiting members for the group

21:54:30 [olivier]

zakim, take up agenda 3

21:54:30 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Intro to Tracker" taken up [from olivier]

21:54:43 [chrislo]

shepazu: hardware people as well as implementors are welcome.

21:54:47 [olivier]

http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/

21:55:11 [chrislo]

^^ this is the tracking tool for our working group

21:55:23 [chrislo]

olivier: it will help us track action items, issues in the spec etc.

21:55:55 [chrislo]

olivier: go and have a look, try it out. We'll be using this a lot.

21:56:03 [chrislo]

shepazu: I'll be setting a test!

21:56:20 [olivier]

zakim, take up agenda 5

21:56:20 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Any other business" taken up [from olivier]

21:56:22 [chrislo]

olivier: Any other business?

21:57:10 [chrislo]

olivier: volunteer scribe for next week?

21:57:37 [chrislo]

Matthew volunteers to scribe next time.

21:58:02 [chrislo]

shepazu: would like us to focus on technical stuff going forward as much as possible.

21:58:18 [chrislo]

olivier: agrees, it will happen now we're up and running.

21:58:32 [chrislo]

olivier: adjorns, with thanks.

21:58:37 [Zakim]

-olivier

21:58:38 [Zakim]

-Michelle_Park

21:58:38 [Zakim]

-Doug_Schepers

21:58:40 [Zakim]

-kinetik

21:58:44 [Zakim]

-chrislo

21:58:45 [Zakim]

RWC_Audio()4:00PM has ended

21:58:47 [Zakim]

Attendees were chrislo, kinetik, olivier, Michelle_Park, Doug_Schepers

21:58:50 [olivier]

rrsagent, draft minutes

21:58:50 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/12-audio-minutes.html olivier

21:58:52 [shepazu]

trackbot, end telcon

21:58:52 [trackbot]

Zakim, list attendees

21:58:52 [Zakim]

sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

21:58:53 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

21:58:53 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/12/12-audio-minutes.html trackbot

21:58:54 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, bye

21:58:54 [RRSAgent]

I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/12-audio-actions.rdf :

21:58:54 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: doug to show example of how to derive requirement from our use cases on the mailing-list [1]

21:58:54 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/12-audio-irc#T21-34-27

21:58:54 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Chris_Rogers to start back porting requirements from his proposed spec into use cases/reqs doc [2]

21:58:54 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/12-audio-irc#T21-36-57

21:58:54 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Chris Rogers to start back porting requirements from his proposed spec into use cases/reqs doc [3]

21:58:54 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/12-audio-irc#T21-37-47

21:58:54 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: CRogers to start back porting requirements from his proposed spec into use cases/reqs doc [4]

21:58:54 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/12/12-audio-irc#T21-38-03

21:59:11 [chrislo]

olivier: there was a RESOLUTION at the top, not sure I captured it correctly.