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18:14:09 <MichaelC> meeting: Milestones Planning for IndieUI
18:14:11 <MichaelC> chair: ad hoc
18:14:26 <MichaelC> Time to start charter
18:14:28 <MichaelC> Time to FPWD
18:14:29 <MichaelC> Number of WDs
18:14:31 <MichaelC> Time to get implementations
18:14:33 <MichaelC> Time to develop test suite
18:14:34 <MichaelC> Comment processing time
18:14:36 <MichaelC> Ability to get comments before LCWD so don't have to do 2
18:14:37 <MichaelC> Ability to work in parallel on testing, spec development, implementation
18:14:39 <MichaelC> Distraction from other work (PFWG, real jobs, etc.)
18:14:41 <MichaelC> Impact on dependency with WebEvents
18:14:43 <MichaelC> WG size and communication quality, efficient discussions, ability to form consensus
18:14:44 <MichaelC> Chairs and editors able to stay present consistently
18:14:46 <MichaelC> Sufficient editorial resources
18:16:31 <MichaelC> == suggested timeline from Art ==
18:16:33 <MichaelC> a. WG end date 31 December 2014
18:16:34 <MichaelC> b. FPWDs 1 April 2012
18:16:36 <MichaelC> c. LCs 1 April 2013
18:16:37 <MichaelC> d. CR 1 Sep 2013
18:16:39 <MichaelC> d. PR 1 Dec 2013
18:16:40 <MichaelC> e. REC 31 Dec 2013 
18:17:13 <MichaelC> == discussion ==
18:17:30 <MichaelC> value in having timelines that we're likely to *beat* not *miss*
18:17:35 <MichaelC> so FPWD in April makes sens
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18:19:26 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger
18:20:07 <MichaelC> can do some test cases while working on spec
18:20:30 <MichaelC> but changes to spec change test cases, so don't plan for test suite to be *complete* until later in the process
18:20:36 <MichaelC> but e.g., 1 test per requirement
18:21:52 <MichaelC> desirable to have test suite ready by LCWD
18:23:22 <MichaelC> or CR
18:23:38 <MichaelC> have both Events and User Context specs to timeline out
18:23:49 <MichaelC> need to work in parallel
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18:26:15 <jcraig> Rich: Accessible Portable Item Profile (APIP) http://education.state.mn.us/MDE/Accountability_Programs/Assessment_and_Testing/APIP/index.html
18:29:57 <MichaelC> FPWDs at same time
18:30:12 <MichaelC> let's try to put them on similar timelines
18:30:15 <richardschwerdtfe> Rich: and Access For All
18:31:41 <MichaelC> though possibility could take longer in CR for user context
18:32:04 <MichaelC> so should plan on longer to PR for that one
18:33:05 <MichaelC> because has privacy and UI implications that could take longer to sort out in implementation
18:40:01 <MichaelC> which needs to be vetted through various communities
18:40:11 <MichaelC> so user context can go to LCWD later than events
18:41:24 <MichaelC> it will be easer to implement it when the events implementations are done anyways
18:42:03 <MichaelC> will make sure there are no dependencies in events module on the user context module
18:47:23 <MichaelC> Proposed FPWD for both is April 2012
18:48:04 <MichaelC> LCWD for events is April 2013
18:48:42 <MichaelC> LCWD for user context is August 2013
18:50:08 <MichaelC> after LC, need to process comments
18:50:29 <MichaelC> 3 months for that
18:50:39 <MichaelC> and another 3 months for test suite
18:51:46 <MichaelC> hopefully can have the implementations (Apple & Google) pretty much ready by the time it goes to CR
18:54:15 <MichaelC> up to 6 months to do testing
18:54:22 <MichaelC> PR in April 2014
18:54:26 <MichaelC> Rec in June 2014
18:56:34 <MichaelC> For events, using same time calculations but offset by longer time to LCWD
18:57:02 <MichaelC> s/events/user context/
18:57:32 <Zakim> -[Apple]
18:57:33 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
18:57:33 <Zakim> -Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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18:57:39 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
18:57:40 <Zakim> Team_(pf)18:00Z has ended
18:57:42 <MichaelC> so CR in Feb 2014, PR in Aug 2014, Rec in Oct 2014
18:57:42 <Zakim> Attendees were jcraig, [Apple], Janina_Sajka, Michael_Cooper, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
18:57:48 <MichaelC> scribe: MichaelC
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