IRC log of aapi on 2011-10-18
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- Scribe: Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- Meeting: AAPI
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- Chair: Andi_Snow-Weaver
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- Regrets: Cynthia_Shelly
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- topic: bug 13214 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13214
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- AS: see proposed text in comment 7. MUST or SHOULD?
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- DB: think we want everyone to do this the same way but we may not be able to make that happen
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- DB: when you have <strong> within a sentence, the accessibility tree might just have only the text element, not an element for strong with a child text element for the part that is strong
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- DB: text that is marked as strong would be a sibling of the other text in the accessibility tree
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- DB: a browser developer may feel strongly that an element with strong has an element in the accessibility tree
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- DB: if they do include it in the accessibility tree, wouldn't want to make it a strong requirement that they fire the text change events
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- DB: common example in Firefox - don't have an accessible object for <span> elements
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- "
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- For text within a paragraph marked in HTML as <strong>, the <strong> element has its own node in the DOM tree but may not have its own element in the accessibility tree.
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- DB: suppose you have "the quick brown fox" - if "brown" is removed, you have to fire an event
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- AS: so that's covered in the first table in 5.8.2
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- DB: example of something that is not covered by the first table is formatting or style changes?
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- AS: but how do we quantify it? We can't just say that in some cases you fire the events when the element is not in the accessibilty tree without describing how to determine when you need to do that
- 16:33:10 [AndiSnow]
- DB: (thinking out loud) for changes to content that are not captured by structural changes to the accessibility tree, alternate events should be fired such as: (strong element example)
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- DB: the accessibility API may or may not provide the events you need
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- topic: bug 13258
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- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13258
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- DB: table 4.1 should go somewhere later in the document
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- that's the table of mapping of focus states and events to APIs
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- DB: we may or may not want to absorb it into the other tables
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- DB: could have a 5.8.x on focus events
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- DB: 4.2 talking about HTML right? hard to keep them separate.
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- DB: changing my mind - 4.1 table may be okay here
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- Remove the text about tablist from the Selection section. This is covered in the "tab" role row of the role mapping table
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- change "SELECTED state" to STATE_SYSTEM_SELECTED state" for MSAA columns
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- change "SELECTED state" to "STATE_SELECTED state" for ATK column
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- present: Andi_Snow-Weaver, David_Bolter
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- regrets: Cynthia_Shelly, Tim_Boland
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