IRC log of RDB2RDF on 2011-10-11

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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 7322733
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ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
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Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 11 October 2011
15:49:14 [mhausenblas]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Oct/0021.html
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Chair: Michael
15:49:44 [mhausenblas]
regrets+ Ivan
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regrets+ Richard
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regrets+ Nuno
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regrets+ Marcelo
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regrets+ Seema
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
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+[IPcaller]
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+cygri
15:55:20 [joerg]
hi
15:55:21 [Zakim]
-[IPcaller]
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+[IPcaller]
15:55:31 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, cygri is really me
15:55:31 [Zakim]
+mhausenblas; got it
15:55:37 [mhausenblas]
present+ Michael
15:55:39 [joerg]
jep, first visit, so calling early
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;-)
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present+ Joerg
15:57:23 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:57:51 [Ashok]
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15:58:54 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, who's here?
15:58:54 [Zakim]
On the phone I see [IPcaller], mhausenblas
15:58:55 [Zakim]
On IRC I see boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, joerg, soeren, betehess, MacTed, cygri, iv_an_ru__, trackbot
15:59:02 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, IPcaller is joerg
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+joerg; got it
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+Ashok_Malhotra
16:00:00 [mhausenblas]
present+ Ashok
16:00:14 [boris]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 7322733 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), boris
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+OpenLink_Software
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Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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+MacTed; got it
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Zakim, mute me
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MacTed should now be muted
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+boris
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+ +1.512.484.aaaa
16:01:19 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see joerg, mhausenblas, Ashok_Malhotra, MacTed (muted), boris, +1.512.484.aaaa
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On IRC I see dmcneil, ericP, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, joerg, betehess, MacTed, cygri, iv_an_ru__, trackbot
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+ +1.617.324.aabb
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+ +1.314.394.aacc
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Zakim, aabb is me
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+ericP; got it
16:02:13 [dmcneil]
Zakim, aacc is me
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+dmcneil; got it
16:03:17 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see joerg, mhausenblas, Ashok_Malhotra, MacTed (muted), boris, +1.512.484.aaaa, ericP, dmcneil
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On IRC I see dmcneil, ericP, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, joerg, betehess, MacTed, cygri, iv_an_ru__, trackbot
16:03:32 [mhausenblas]
present+ Boris
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present+ Ted
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present+ David
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present+ Juan
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present+ Eric
16:04:19 [ericP]
scribenick: ericP
16:04:29 [mhausenblas]
Topic: Admin
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PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
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APPROVED
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Topic: Open actions and issues
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html ericP
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RESOLVED
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html ericP
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RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html ericP
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ACTION-159?
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ACTION-159 -- Boris Villazón-Terrazas to create RDFa representation of R2RML vocab -- due 2011-09-27 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/159
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http://www.w3.org/ns/r2rml
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close ACTION-159
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ACTION-159 Create RDFa representation of R2RML vocab closed
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ISSUE-69?
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ISSUE-69 -- datatype sizes -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/69
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regrets+ Souri
16:09:46 [ericP]
ericP: note that providing extension advice encourages conformance of the extensions around e.g. representations of 1 BC
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ashok: let's not decide anything until cygri is here
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Topic: Handover from Soeren to Joerg
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joerg: we're working on implementaitons of RDB2RDF
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... want to represent our WG and our interests in mapping relational database
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Ashok: when will you have an implementation we can look at?
16:11:13 [mhausenblas]
Michael: we will take Joerg through the IE procedure as described here: http://www.w3.org/2004/08/invexp
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joerg: don't want to say now
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... prefer to wait until we have stability
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Topic: LC comments status
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Ashok: this is a formal process
16:12:40 [ericP]
... we much record each question or comment
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... we have to reply to it
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... and we have to get the commentor's agreement
16:13:02 [MacTed]
Zakim, who's noisy?
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... last week, we spoke of using a wiki
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MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ericP (43%)
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+juansequeda
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- +1.512.484.aaaa
16:13:34 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see joerg, mhausenblas, Ashok_Malhotra, MacTed (muted), boris, ericP, dmcneil, juansequeda
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On IRC I see dmcneil, ericP, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, joerg, betehess, MacTed, cygri, iv_an_ru__, trackbot
16:13:38 [juansequeda]
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... this is required 'cause the director will ask us about the resolution of our last call comments
16:13:56 [mhausenblas]
Michael: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call
16:14:46 [ericP]
mhausenblas: so we agreed that for each LC comment, that an editor update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call and@@or create an issue
16:17:03 [mhausenblas]
http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html#item03
16:18:20 [ericP]
... current understanding per http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html#item03 is that we:
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... .. do not use the wiki
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... .. address editorial comments directly
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... .. create issues for substantive issues
16:19:03 [ericP]
... have editors been keeping up on the comments lists?
16:19:28 [ericP]
juansequeda: i didn't seen any major issues (just editorial advice)
16:20:07 [ericP]
mhausenblas: ivan's comments are marked editorial
16:21:40 [ericP]
... I think there are comments from dominic on R2RML and DM
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... [get to work, slackers -- ED]
16:22:13 [mhausenblas]
Topic: Implementations
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations
16:22:44 [ericP]
mhausenblas: just heard about an implementation from antidot
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Michael: I added them already
16:23:32 [ericP]
Ashok: ivan asked about what we do about the fact that the implementations page claims that many implementations will be available early 2011
16:23:50 [ericP]
mhausenblas: cygri updated it for D2RQ
16:25:12 [ericP]
ericP: FeDeRate cna be checked out, not plans for R2RML now
16:26:00 [Ashok]
s/cna/can/
16:26:03 [ericP]
boris: expect to release morph (R2RML-only) end of 2011
16:26:06 [MacTed]
Zakim, unmute me
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MacTed should no longer be muted
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Zakim, mute me
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MacTed should now be muted
16:27:13 [ericP]
MacTed: Virtuoso relase either out now or in the next couple days supports R2RML and DM
16:28:00 [ericP]
dmcneil: early release of Spyder captured early R2RML
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... expect update this year
16:28:37 [Zakim]
-juansequeda
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+juansequeda
16:28:59 [ericP]
juansequeda: UltraWrap implements DM, DM++ and older R2RML
16:29:07 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:29:12 [ericP]
... should have an update at the end of the year
16:29:35 [ericP]
mhausenblas: i believe nuno is working on the XSPARQL implementation
16:32:04 [ericP]
ericP: having more than 2 interoperable implementations isn't required for exiting CR, but is good for making an impression
16:32:23 [ericP]
mhausenblas: many language/platform implementations tests the spec well
16:33:34 [mhausenblas]
Topic: Test Cases
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/
16:34:26 [ericP]
boris: updated the test cases
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... currently 14 R2RML test cases
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40
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http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdb2rdf-tests
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s/14 R2RML/40 R3RML/
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_TC
16:35:15 [ericP]
boris, following cygri's advice, created a test case for each part of the spec
16:35:26 [ericP]
mhausenblas: how will we review test cases?
16:35:38 [ericP]
... do we have a test runner?
16:35:55 [ericP]
q+ to talk about EARL
16:36:05 [ericP]
boris: we haven't finished this down
16:36:17 [mhausenblas]
ack ericP
16:36:17 [Zakim]
ericP, you wanted to talk about EARL
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q?
16:38:19 [ericP]
ericP: we asked testers to submit test results in an extension of EARL
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... we also provided a test harness for SPARQL protocol
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q+
16:38:46 [mhausenblas]
q?
16:39:05 [ericP]
mhausenblas: i think it's useful to use EARL, but not useful to write a harness
16:39:40 [ericP]
Ashok, we have used a less formal for folks to say "i've run this and passed some/most/all tests"
16:39:44 [ericP]
Ashok,:we have used a less formal for folks to say "i've run this and passed some/most/all tests"
16:39:47 [mhausenblas]
Michael: Also, we could provide simply instructions how to perform the tests
16:39:58 [ericP]
Ashok: we have used a less formal for folks to say "i've run this and passed some/most/all tests"
16:40:01 [mhausenblas]
ack boris
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q?
16:40:13 [ericP]
boris: how easy is it to generate EARL
16:41:52 [Ashok]
s/formal/formal approach/
16:43:05 [ericP]
ericP: if we have on the order of a hundred tests, we probably want to know which tests people passed
16:43:23 [ericP]
mhausenblas: +1 to mapping EARL to HTML
16:44:57 [ericP]
... boris, you can describe the process in the test doc
16:45:14 [ericP]
boris: will integrate into test doc and notify list
16:45:35 [mhausenblas]
ACTION: Boris to add section concerning testing in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/ (re EARL, input/output)
16:45:36 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-160 - Add section concerning testing in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/ (re EARL, input/output) [on Boris Villazón-Terrazas - due 2011-10-18].
16:46:18 [ericP]
boris: we need to check my new test cases
16:47:55 [Zakim]
-boris
16:48:51 [mhausenblas]
Topic: AOB
16:49:15 [ericP]
ericP: i'm not sure we need a process to approve test cases since we don't intend to include incorrect tests (as we did in the record of SPARQL)
16:49:16 [boris]
sorry
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-MacTed
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-Ashok_Malhotra
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-mhausenblas
16:49:23 [mhausenblas]
[meeting adjourned]
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-dmcneil
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-ericP
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-juansequeda
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-joerg
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SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html ericP
16:49:41 [Zakim]
Attendees were mhausenblas, joerg, Ashok_Malhotra, MacTed, boris, +1.512.484.aaaa, +1.617.324.aabb, +1.314.394.aacc, ericP, dmcneil, juansequeda
16:50:13 [mhausenblas]
trackbot, end telecon
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Zakim, list attendees
16:50:13 [Zakim]
sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:50:14 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html trackbot
16:50:15 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Boris to add section concerning testing in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/ (re EARL, input/output) [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-irc#T16-45-35