IRC log of RDB2RDF on 2011-10-11
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be 7322733
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- ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
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- Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 11 October 2011
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Oct/0021.html
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- Chair: Michael
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- regrets+ Ivan
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- regrets+ Richard
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- regrets+ Nuno
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- regrets+ Marcelo
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- regrets+ Seema
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +cygri
- 15:55:20 [joerg]
- hi
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- -[IPcaller]
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- +[IPcaller]
- 15:55:31 [mhausenblas]
- Zakim, cygri is really me
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- +mhausenblas; got it
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- present+ Michael
- 15:55:39 [joerg]
- jep, first visit, so calling early
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- ;-)
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- present+ Joerg
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
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- Zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see [IPcaller], mhausenblas
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- On IRC I see boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, joerg, soeren, betehess, MacTed, cygri, iv_an_ru__, trackbot
- 15:59:02 [mhausenblas]
- Zakim, IPcaller is joerg
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- +joerg; got it
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- +Ashok_Malhotra
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- present+ Ashok
- 16:00:14 [boris]
- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 7322733 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), boris
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- +OpenLink_Software
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- Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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- +MacTed; got it
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- Zakim, mute me
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- MacTed should now be muted
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- +boris
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- + +1.512.484.aaaa
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- Zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see joerg, mhausenblas, Ashok_Malhotra, MacTed (muted), boris, +1.512.484.aaaa
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- On IRC I see dmcneil, ericP, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, joerg, betehess, MacTed, cygri, iv_an_ru__, trackbot
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- + +1.617.324.aabb
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- + +1.314.394.aacc
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- Zakim, aabb is me
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- +ericP; got it
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- Zakim, aacc is me
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- +dmcneil; got it
- 16:03:17 [mhausenblas]
- Zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see joerg, mhausenblas, Ashok_Malhotra, MacTed (muted), boris, +1.512.484.aaaa, ericP, dmcneil
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- On IRC I see dmcneil, ericP, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, joerg, betehess, MacTed, cygri, iv_an_ru__, trackbot
- 16:03:32 [mhausenblas]
- present+ Boris
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- present+ Ted
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- present+ David
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- present+ Juan
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- present+ Eric
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- scribenick: ericP
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- Topic: Admin
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- PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
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- APPROVED
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- Topic: Open actions and issues
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html ericP
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- RESOLVED
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html ericP
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- RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html ericP
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- ACTION-159?
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- ACTION-159 -- Boris Villazón-Terrazas to create RDFa representation of R2RML vocab -- due 2011-09-27 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/159
- 16:06:49 [boris]
- http://www.w3.org/ns/r2rml
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- close ACTION-159
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- ACTION-159 Create RDFa representation of R2RML vocab closed
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- ISSUE-69?
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- ISSUE-69 -- datatype sizes -- raised
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- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/69
- 16:08:25 [mhausenblas]
- regrets+ Souri
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- ericP: note that providing extension advice encourages conformance of the extensions around e.g. representations of 1 BC
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- ashok: let's not decide anything until cygri is here
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- Topic: Handover from Soeren to Joerg
- 16:10:25 [ericP]
- joerg: we're working on implementaitons of RDB2RDF
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- ... want to represent our WG and our interests in mapping relational database
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- Ashok: when will you have an implementation we can look at?
- 16:11:13 [mhausenblas]
- Michael: we will take Joerg through the IE procedure as described here: http://www.w3.org/2004/08/invexp
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- joerg: don't want to say now
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- ... prefer to wait until we have stability
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- Topic: LC comments status
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- Ashok: this is a formal process
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- ... we much record each question or comment
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- ... we have to reply to it
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- ... and we have to get the commentor's agreement
- 16:13:02 [MacTed]
- Zakim, who's noisy?
- 16:13:04 [ericP]
- ... last week, we spoke of using a wiki
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- MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ericP (43%)
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- +juansequeda
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- - +1.512.484.aaaa
- 16:13:34 [mhausenblas]
- Zakim, who's here?
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- On the phone I see joerg, mhausenblas, Ashok_Malhotra, MacTed (muted), boris, ericP, dmcneil, juansequeda
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- On IRC I see dmcneil, ericP, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, joerg, betehess, MacTed, cygri, iv_an_ru__, trackbot
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- 16:13:48 [ericP]
- ... this is required 'cause the director will ask us about the resolution of our last call comments
- 16:13:56 [mhausenblas]
- Michael: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call
- 16:14:46 [ericP]
- mhausenblas: so we agreed that for each LC comment, that an editor update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call and@@or create an issue
- 16:17:03 [mhausenblas]
- http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html#item03
- 16:18:20 [ericP]
- ... current understanding per http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html#item03 is that we:
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- ... .. do not use the wiki
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- ... .. address editorial comments directly
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- ... .. create issues for substantive issues
- 16:19:03 [ericP]
- ... have editors been keeping up on the comments lists?
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- juansequeda: i didn't seen any major issues (just editorial advice)
- 16:20:07 [ericP]
- mhausenblas: ivan's comments are marked editorial
- 16:21:40 [ericP]
- ... I think there are comments from dominic on R2RML and DM
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- ... [get to work, slackers -- ED]
- 16:22:13 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: Implementations
- 16:22:23 [mhausenblas]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations
- 16:22:44 [ericP]
- mhausenblas: just heard about an implementation from antidot
- 16:23:04 [mhausenblas]
- Michael: I added them already
- 16:23:32 [ericP]
- Ashok: ivan asked about what we do about the fact that the implementations page claims that many implementations will be available early 2011
- 16:23:50 [ericP]
- mhausenblas: cygri updated it for D2RQ
- 16:25:12 [ericP]
- ericP: FeDeRate cna be checked out, not plans for R2RML now
- 16:26:00 [Ashok]
- s/cna/can/
- 16:26:03 [ericP]
- boris: expect to release morph (R2RML-only) end of 2011
- 16:26:06 [MacTed]
- Zakim, unmute me
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- MacTed should no longer be muted
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- Zakim, mute me
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- MacTed should now be muted
- 16:27:13 [ericP]
- MacTed: Virtuoso relase either out now or in the next couple days supports R2RML and DM
- 16:28:00 [ericP]
- dmcneil: early release of Spyder captured early R2RML
- 16:28:06 [ericP]
- ... expect update this year
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- -juansequeda
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- +juansequeda
- 16:28:59 [ericP]
- juansequeda: UltraWrap implements DM, DM++ and older R2RML
- 16:29:07 [mhausenblas]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
- 16:29:12 [ericP]
- ... should have an update at the end of the year
- 16:29:35 [ericP]
- mhausenblas: i believe nuno is working on the XSPARQL implementation
- 16:32:04 [ericP]
- ericP: having more than 2 interoperable implementations isn't required for exiting CR, but is good for making an impression
- 16:32:23 [ericP]
- mhausenblas: many language/platform implementations tests the spec well
- 16:33:34 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: Test Cases
- 16:34:24 [boris]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/
- 16:34:26 [ericP]
- boris: updated the test cases
- 16:34:36 [ericP]
- ... currently 14 R2RML test cases
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- 40
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- http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdb2rdf-tests
- 16:34:53 [ericP]
- s/14 R2RML/40 R3RML/
- 16:35:10 [boris]
- http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_TC
- 16:35:15 [ericP]
- boris, following cygri's advice, created a test case for each part of the spec
- 16:35:26 [ericP]
- mhausenblas: how will we review test cases?
- 16:35:38 [ericP]
- ... do we have a test runner?
- 16:35:55 [ericP]
- q+ to talk about EARL
- 16:36:05 [ericP]
- boris: we haven't finished this down
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- ack ericP
- 16:36:17 [Zakim]
- ericP, you wanted to talk about EARL
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- q?
- 16:38:19 [ericP]
- ericP: we asked testers to submit test results in an extension of EARL
- 16:38:36 [ericP]
- ... we also provided a test harness for SPARQL protocol
- 16:38:37 [boris]
- q+
- 16:38:46 [mhausenblas]
- q?
- 16:39:05 [ericP]
- mhausenblas: i think it's useful to use EARL, but not useful to write a harness
- 16:39:40 [ericP]
- Ashok, we have used a less formal for folks to say "i've run this and passed some/most/all tests"
- 16:39:44 [ericP]
- Ashok,:we have used a less formal for folks to say "i've run this and passed some/most/all tests"
- 16:39:47 [mhausenblas]
- Michael: Also, we could provide simply instructions how to perform the tests
- 16:39:58 [ericP]
- Ashok: we have used a less formal for folks to say "i've run this and passed some/most/all tests"
- 16:40:01 [mhausenblas]
- ack boris
- 16:40:02 [mhausenblas]
- q?
- 16:40:13 [ericP]
- boris: how easy is it to generate EARL
- 16:41:52 [Ashok]
- s/formal/formal approach/
- 16:43:05 [ericP]
- ericP: if we have on the order of a hundred tests, we probably want to know which tests people passed
- 16:43:23 [ericP]
- mhausenblas: +1 to mapping EARL to HTML
- 16:44:57 [ericP]
- ... boris, you can describe the process in the test doc
- 16:45:14 [ericP]
- boris: will integrate into test doc and notify list
- 16:45:35 [mhausenblas]
- ACTION: Boris to add section concerning testing in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/ (re EARL, input/output)
- 16:45:36 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-160 - Add section concerning testing in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/ (re EARL, input/output) [on Boris Villazón-Terrazas - due 2011-10-18].
- 16:46:18 [ericP]
- boris: we need to check my new test cases
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- -boris
- 16:48:51 [mhausenblas]
- Topic: AOB
- 16:49:15 [ericP]
- ericP: i'm not sure we need a process to approve test cases since we don't intend to include incorrect tests (as we did in the record of SPARQL)
- 16:49:16 [boris]
- sorry
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- -MacTed
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- -Ashok_Malhotra
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- -mhausenblas
- 16:49:23 [mhausenblas]
- [meeting adjourned]
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- -dmcneil
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- -ericP
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- -juansequeda
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- -joerg
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- SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended
- 16:49:40 [ericP]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html ericP
- 16:49:41 [Zakim]
- Attendees were mhausenblas, joerg, Ashok_Malhotra, MacTed, boris, +1.512.484.aaaa, +1.617.324.aabb, +1.314.394.aacc, ericP, dmcneil, juansequeda
- 16:50:13 [mhausenblas]
- trackbot, end telecon
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- Zakim, list attendees
- 16:50:13 [Zakim]
- sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
- 16:50:14 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html trackbot
- 16:50:15 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Boris to add section concerning testing in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/ (re EARL, input/output) [1]
- 16:50:15 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-irc#T16-45-35