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15:48:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 7322733
15:48:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 12 minutes
15:48:53 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
15:48:53 <trackbot> Date: 11 October 2011
15:49:14 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Oct/0021.html
15:49:21 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
15:49:44 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Ivan
15:49:50 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Richard
15:49:58 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Nuno
15:50:05 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Marcelo
15:50:13 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Seema
15:50:17 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:50:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:50:26 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:54:28 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
15:54:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:55:18 <Zakim> +cygri
15:55:20 <joerg> hi
15:55:21 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:55:23 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:55:31 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is really me
15:55:31 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
15:55:37 <mhausenblas> present+ Michael
15:55:39 <joerg> jep, first visit, so calling early
15:55:45 <joerg> ;-)
15:56:40 <mhausenblas> present+ Joerg
15:57:23 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:57:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:57:51 <Ashok> Ashok has joined #rdb2rdf
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15:58:54 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
15:58:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], mhausenblas
15:58:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, joerg, soeren, betehess, MacTed, cygri, iv_an_ru__, trackbot
15:59:02 <mhausenblas> Zakim, IPcaller is joerg 
15:59:02 <Zakim> +joerg; got it
15:59:51 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
16:00:00 <mhausenblas> present+ Ashok
16:00:14 <boris> zakim, code?
16:00:14 <Zakim> the conference code is 7322733 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), boris
16:00:51 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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16:01:01 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:01:01 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
16:01:03 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:01:03 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:01:05 <Zakim> +boris
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16:01:16 <Zakim> + +1.512.484.aaaa
16:01:19 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:01:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see joerg, mhausenblas, Ashok_Malhotra, MacTed (muted), boris, +1.512.484.aaaa
16:01:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see dmcneil, ericP, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, joerg, betehess, MacTed, cygri, iv_an_ru__, trackbot
16:01:47 <Zakim> + +1.617.324.aabb
16:01:48 <Zakim> + +1.314.394.aacc
16:01:55 <ericP> Zakim, aabb is me
16:01:55 <Zakim> +ericP; got it
16:02:13 <dmcneil> Zakim, aacc is me
16:02:13 <Zakim> +dmcneil; got it
16:03:17 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:03:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see joerg, mhausenblas, Ashok_Malhotra, MacTed (muted), boris, +1.512.484.aaaa, ericP, dmcneil
16:03:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see dmcneil, ericP, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, joerg, betehess, MacTed, cygri, iv_an_ru__, trackbot
16:03:32 <mhausenblas> present+ Boris
16:03:36 <mhausenblas> present+ Ted
16:03:42 <mhausenblas> present+ David
16:03:47 <mhausenblas> present+ Juan
16:03:51 <mhausenblas> present+ Eric
16:04:19 <ericP> scribenick: ericP 
16:04:29 <mhausenblas> Topic: Admin
16:04:41 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
16:04:54 <ericP> APPROVED
16:05:10 <mhausenblas> Topic: Open actions and issues
16:05:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html ericP
16:06:04 <ericP> RESOLVED
16:06:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html ericP
16:06:30 <ericP> RESOLUTION: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/10/04-RDB2RDF-minutes.html
16:06:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html ericP
16:06:35 <mhausenblas> ACTION-159?
16:06:35 <trackbot> ACTION-159 -- Boris Villazón-Terrazas to create RDFa representation of R2RML vocab -- due 2011-09-27 -- OPEN
16:06:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/159
16:06:49 <boris> http://www.w3.org/ns/r2rml
16:07:08 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-159
16:07:08 <trackbot> ACTION-159 Create RDFa representation of R2RML vocab closed
16:07:21 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-69?
16:07:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-69 -- datatype sizes -- raised
16:07:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/69
16:08:25 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Souri
16:09:46 <ericP> ericP: note that providing extension advice encourages conformance of the extensions around e.g. representations of 1 BC
16:10:05 <ericP> ashok: let's not decide anything until cygri is here
16:10:07 <mhausenblas> Topic: Handover from Soeren to Joerg
16:10:25 <ericP> joerg: we're working on implementaitons of RDB2RDF
16:10:47 <ericP> ... want to represent our WG and our interests in mapping relational database
16:11:00 <ericP> Ashok: when will you have an implementation we can look at?
16:11:13 <mhausenblas> Michael: we will take Joerg through the IE procedure as described here: http://www.w3.org/2004/08/invexp
16:11:34 <ericP> joerg: don't want to say now
16:12:19 <ericP> ... prefer to wait until we have stability
16:12:24 <mhausenblas> Topic: LC comments status
16:12:32 <ericP> Ashok: this is a formal process
16:12:40 <ericP> ... we much record each question or comment
16:12:46 <ericP> ... we have to reply to it
16:12:56 <ericP> ... and we have to get the commentor's agreement
16:13:02 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?
16:13:04 <ericP> ... last week, we spoke of using a wiki
16:13:13 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ericP (43%)
16:13:24 <Zakim> +juansequeda
16:13:32 <Zakim> - +1.512.484.aaaa
16:13:34 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:13:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see joerg, mhausenblas, Ashok_Malhotra, MacTed (muted), boris, ericP, dmcneil, juansequeda
16:13:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see dmcneil, ericP, boris, Ashok, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, joerg, betehess, MacTed, cygri, iv_an_ru__, trackbot
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16:13:48 <ericP> ... this is required 'cause the director will ask us about the resolution of our last call comments
16:13:56 <mhausenblas> Michael: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call
16:14:46 <ericP> mhausenblas: so we agreed that for each LC comment, that an editor update http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Last_Call and@@or create an issue
16:17:03 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html#item03
16:18:20 <ericP> ... current understanding per http://www.w3.org/2011/09/20-RDB2RDF-minutes.html#item03 is that we:
16:18:24 <ericP> ... .. do not use the wiki
16:18:38 <ericP> ... .. address editorial comments directly
16:18:46 <ericP> ... .. create issues for substantive issues
16:19:03 <ericP> ... have editors been keeping up on the comments lists?
16:19:28 <ericP> juansequeda: i didn't seen any major issues (just editorial advice)
16:20:07 <ericP> mhausenblas: ivan's comments are marked editorial
16:21:40 <ericP> ... I think there are comments from dominic on R2RML and DM
16:21:50 <ericP> ... [get to work, slackers -- ED]
16:22:13 <mhausenblas> Topic: Implementations
16:22:23 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/Implementations
16:22:44 <ericP> mhausenblas: just heard about an implementation from antidot
16:23:04 <mhausenblas> Michael: I added them already
16:23:32 <ericP> Ashok: ivan asked about what we do about the fact that the implementations page claims that many implementations will be available early 2011
16:23:50 <ericP> mhausenblas: cygri updated it for D2RQ
16:25:12 <ericP> ericP: FeDeRate cna be checked out, not plans for R2RML now
16:26:00 <Ashok> s/cna/can/
16:26:03 <ericP> boris: expect to release morph (R2RML-only) end of 2011
16:26:06 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
16:26:06 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
16:27:01 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
16:27:01 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
16:27:13 <ericP> MacTed: Virtuoso relase either out now or in the next couple days supports R2RML and DM
16:28:00 <ericP> dmcneil: early release of Spyder captured early R2RML
16:28:06 <ericP> ... expect update this year
16:28:37 <Zakim> -juansequeda
16:28:51 <Zakim> +juansequeda
16:28:59 <ericP> juansequeda: UltraWrap implements DM, DM++ and older R2RML
16:29:07 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:29:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:29:12 <ericP> ... should have an update at the end of the year
16:29:35 <ericP> mhausenblas: i believe nuno is working on the XSPARQL implementation
16:32:04 <ericP> ericP: having more than 2 interoperable implementations isn't required for exiting CR, but is good for making an impression
16:32:23 <ericP> mhausenblas: many language/platform implementations tests the spec well
16:33:34 <mhausenblas> Topic: Test Cases
16:34:24 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/
16:34:26 <ericP> boris: updated the test cases
16:34:36 <ericP> ... currently 14 R2RML test cases
16:34:40 <boris> 40
16:34:48 <boris> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/rdb2rdf-tests
16:34:53 <ericP> s/14 R2RML/40 R3RML/
16:35:10 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/wiki/R2RML_TC
16:35:15 <ericP> boris, following cygri's advice, created a test case for each part of the spec
16:35:26 <ericP> mhausenblas: how will we review test cases?
16:35:38 <ericP> ... do we have a test runner?
16:35:55 <ericP> q+ to talk about EARL
16:36:05 <ericP> boris: we haven't finished this down
16:36:17 <mhausenblas> ack ericP 
16:36:17 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to talk about EARL
16:36:24 <mhausenblas> q?
16:38:19 <ericP> ericP: we asked testers to submit test results in an extension of EARL
16:38:36 <ericP> ... we also provided a test harness for SPARQL protocol
16:38:37 <boris> q+
16:38:46 <mhausenblas> q?
16:39:05 <ericP> mhausenblas: i think it's useful to use EARL, but not useful to write a harness
16:39:40 <ericP> Ashok, we have used a less formal for folks to say "i've run this and passed some/most/all tests"
16:39:44 <ericP> Ashok,:we have used a less formal for folks to say "i've run this and passed some/most/all tests"
16:39:47 <mhausenblas> Michael: Also, we could provide simply instructions how to perform the tests
16:39:58 <ericP> Ashok: we have used a less formal for folks to say "i've run this and passed some/most/all tests"
16:40:01 <mhausenblas> ack boris 
16:40:02 <mhausenblas> q?
16:40:13 <ericP> boris: how easy is it to generate EARL
16:41:52 <Ashok> s/formal/formal approach/
16:43:05 <ericP> ericP: if we have on the order of a hundred tests, we probably want to know which tests people passed
16:43:23 <ericP> mhausenblas: +1 to mapping EARL to HTML
16:44:57 <ericP> ... boris, you can describe the process in the test doc
16:45:14 <ericP> boris: will integrate into test doc and notify list
16:45:35 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Boris to add section concerning testing in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/ (re EARL, input/output)
16:45:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-160 - Add section concerning testing in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/ (re EARL, input/output) [on Boris Villazón-Terrazas - due 2011-10-18].
16:46:18 <ericP> boris: we need to check my new test cases
16:47:55 <Zakim> -boris
16:48:51 <mhausenblas> Topic: AOB
16:49:15 <ericP> ericP: i'm not sure we need a process to approve test cases since we don't intend to include incorrect tests (as we did in the record of SPARQL)
16:49:16 <boris> sorry
16:49:18 <Zakim> -MacTed
16:49:19 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
16:49:23 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
16:49:23 <mhausenblas> [meeting adjourned]
16:49:25 <Zakim> -dmcneil
16:49:27 <Zakim> -ericP
16:49:27 <Zakim> -juansequeda
16:49:38 <Zakim> -joerg
16:49:40 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended
16:49:40 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:49:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html ericP
16:49:41 <Zakim> Attendees were mhausenblas, joerg, Ashok_Malhotra, MacTed, boris, +1.512.484.aaaa, +1.617.324.aabb, +1.314.394.aacc, ericP, dmcneil, juansequeda
16:50:13 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
16:50:13 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:50:13 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:50:14 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:50:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-minutes.html trackbot
16:50:15 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:50:15 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-actions.rdf :
16:50:15 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Boris to add section concerning testing in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/test-cases/ (re EARL, input/output) [1]
16:50:15 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/11-RDB2RDF-irc#T16-45-35