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12:01:27 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
12:01:27 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_Fonts(WebFontsWG)5:00AM scheduled to start 181 minutes ago
12:01:28 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
12:01:28 <trackbot> Date: 13 September 2011
12:01:49 <ChrisL> zakim, remind me in 6 hours to go home
12:01:49 <Zakim> ok, ChrisL
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12:10:51 <davelab6> scribe: davelab6
12:10:55 <davelab6> scribenick: davelab6
12:11:25 <davelab6> how to scribe pls? :)
12:12:38 <davelab6> scribenick
12:12:49 <davelab6> scribe davelab6
12:12:56 <ChrisL> scribenick: davelab6
12:13:30 <ChrisL> topic: ua conformance testsuite
12:13:35 <davelab6> Vlad: We're going to talk about the Conformance Test Suite
12:14:04 <ChrisL> chris displays http://w3c-test.org/framework/review/woff-ua/
12:14:48 <ChrisL> blocks extraneous* failsin all browsers
12:15:02 <ChrisL> blocksoverlap tests fail inmostbrowsers
12:15:21 <ChrisL> metadata tests give free pass to implementationsthat dont displaymetadata
12:15:56 <ChrisL> (seeemail fron jfkthame)
12:16:04 <davelab6> ChrisL: If the extended metadata block is ignored, then the tests pass, but if displaying it to users is implemented but not correctly, it will fail, which incentivises UA developers to not implement showing metadata to users. So we'd like to change this so that implementing this optional part is incentivised.
12:16:17 <davelab6> Vlad: Also change the colors so that red means 'no test' (ie, no implementation), yellow means 'test fails' and green is 'test passes'
12:17:21 <ChrisL> resolved: change metadata tests so only implementationsthatdisplay metadata are tested
12:17:40 <ChrisL> action chris: fix metadata* results for free passes
12:17:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-103 - Fix metadata* results for free passes [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-09-20].
12:17:47 <ChrisL> action:tal to update test suite for metadata tests
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12:19:52 <ChrisL> we should pressure implementors to fix code for the overlapping blocks 
12:24:59 <davelab6> cslye: UA should ignore the data, and if they read it likely to fail other tests
12:25:22 <davelab6> ChrisL: should we keep spec as it is and ask implementors to fix, or change spec?
12:26:00 <davelab6> cslye: in 2 years we dont want a security advisory out about this
12:26:38 <davelab6> vlad: not sure if this could be a real security risk?
12:27:42 <davelab6> tal: if directory is set incorrectly, is that our concern? sfnt table size could be 4 bytes larger than it is...
12:28:04 <davelab6> vlad: you'd try to get extra data inside a table so its loaded, not insert data between tables
12:29:52 <ChrisL> header-totalSfntSize* are failing in some browsers but we have enough passes for CR. Webkit has a pass (Chrome) and a fail (Safari) due to the googlesanitiser,we suspect
12:37:53 <davelab6> tal: we should put a metadata display into the validator as an option
12:39:39 <ChrisL> (tal checks whetherW3C Unicorn validation framework canoutput purely informative material - yes)
12:40:43 <ChrisL> action: chris to check on unicorn integration of the woff validator
12:40:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-104 - Check on unicorn integration of the woff validator [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-09-20].
12:41:57 <davelab6> chris: this will allow people to submit a WOFF and get it validated, and as part of the validation report the user can have it display the optional metadata
12:45:26 <davelab6> chris: break for lunch, and try and find tal :)
12:45:36 <davelab6> s/tal/tab/g
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15:10:57 <ChrisL> action: tab to check whether Chromeexposesan API to extendsions that shows the specific font in use
15:10:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-105 - Check whether Chromeexposesan API to extendsions that shows the specific font in use [on Tab Atkins Jr. - due 2011-09-20].
15:12:31 <ChrisL> topic:file format tests
15:12:55 <ChrisL> vlad:once unicorn has the validator we will be in good tshape there
15:13:23 <ChrisL> tal:and add the metadata too; need to check if info not related to validity is ok
15:14:07 <ChrisL> scribenick: ChrisL
15:14:23 <ChrisL> topic:generator tools
15:15:20 <ChrisL> ChrisL: we have jfkthame script and fontforge, what else
15:15:26 <ChrisL> Vlad: tests need to be entered manualy
15:15:29 <ChrisL> ChrisL: yes
15:16:09 <ChrisL> ChrisL: is fontsquirrelusing their own implementation? (we don'tknow)
15:16:17 <ChrisL> tal:wecan test mywoff toolsas well
15:17:57 <ChrisL> cslye: does the fontlab beta export woff now?
15:18:12 <ChrisL> tal:this is not a listed feature in their betas
15:22:05 <ChrisL> (digression on epar)
15:22:38 <ChrisL> http://www.eeulaa.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22&Itemid=34
15:25:10 <ChrisL> ChrisL: online font converter  http://onlinefontconverter.com/
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15:36:56 <davelab6> ChrisL: onlinefontconverter.com has a WOFF converter, we will test it now
15:37:23 <davelab6> davelab6: stefan.warting@gmail.com is the email in the whois
15:40:32 <ChrisL> ok so it seems to convert sfnt to woff (incliding the invalid ones)
15:42:25 <ChrisL> cslye:interesting to ask typekit and extensis webink what they are usiing
15:42:31 <ChrisL> tal;and other services
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15:43:40 <ChrisL> davelab6: phil taylor did sometools in perl
15:46:33 <ChrisL> action:chris to run authoring tools against the uatests and make report
15:47:11 <ChrisL> action: chris to run authoring tools against the uatests and make report
15:47:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-106 - Run authoring tools against the uatests and make report [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-09-20].
15:49:23 <ChrisL> Vlad:can we talk to the author of the online converter and get them to fix bugs?
15:49:26 <ChrisL> ChrisL: i can ask
15:53:57 <davelab6> ChrisL: so we've done a lot today, we have plans to move forward and actions assigned to peopl
15:54:16 <ChrisL> topic: tpac
15:54:57 <davelab6> Vlad: agreed, i wonder about a TPAC meeting, would be good to move forward. tab, will you be there?
15:55:00 <davelab6> tab: yes
15:55:18 <davelab6> vlad: the same origin restriction, it will being web fonts and web apps (?) groups together
15:55:56 <davelab6> tab: where will it be?
15:55:59 <davelab6> ChrisL: bay area
15:56:10 <davelab6> cSlye: ill be there
15:56:14 <davelab6> Vlad: early bird discount
15:56:45 <ChrisL> http://www.w3.org/2011/11/TPAC/
15:57:02 <ChrisL> 14 October - Registration Closes and Registration fee goes up
15:58:45 <ChrisL> (adjourned)
15:58:51 <ChrisL> rrsagent,make minutes
15:58:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
16:01:34 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
16:01:34 <Zakim> sorry, ChrisL, I don't know what conference this is
16:01:48 <ChrisL> zakim,  this is font
16:01:48 <Zakim> ChrisL, I see IA_Fonts(WebFontsWG)5:00AM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be font".
16:01:59 <ChrisL> zakim,  this will be font
16:01:59 <Zakim> ok, ChrisL; I see IA_Fonts(WebFontsWG)5:00AM scheduled to start 422 minutes ago
16:02:07 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
16:02:07 <Zakim> sorry, ChrisL, I don't know what conference this is
16:02:21 <ChrisL> zakim, you are a stupid robot :)
16:02:21 <Zakim> I'm glad that smiley is there, ChrisL
16:02:48 <ChrisL> zakim, who is your daddy?
16:02:48 <Zakim> Ralph is taking good care of me but you all are my family, ChrisL
16:03:16 <ChrisL> zakim, who is here?
16:03:16 <Zakim> IA_Fonts(WebFontsWG)5:00AM has not yet started, ChrisL
16:03:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see davelab6, tal, sergeym, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, jfkthame_afk, Vlad, trackbot
16:03:27 <ChrisL> rrsagent,make minutes
16:03:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
16:04:16 <ChrisL> Present: davelab6, tal, sergeym, Zakim, RRSAgent, ChrisL, jfkthame_afk, Vlad, tab
16:04:22 <ChrisL> rrsagent,make minutes
16:04:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/13-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
18:01:49 <Zakim> ChrisL, you asked to be reminded at this time to go home
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