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06:59:59 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
06:59:59 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, wbailer
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07:00:24 <wbailer> meeting: MAWG F2F day 2
07:00:36 <wbailer> chair: joakim
07:00:52 <wbailer> s/joakim/daniel/
07:01:12 <wbailer> present: daniel, wonsuk, florian, tobias, martin, werner
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07:13:23 <wbailer> topic: ontology doc to pr
07:13:35 <wbailer> we need to finalise the descriptions of the implementations
07:14:15 <wbailer> daniel reminds that moving api doc to cr is a requirement for moving ontology doc to pr
07:15:10 <wbailer> issue raised by wonsuk: he can contact webkit community about implementation of the api
07:15:28 <wbailer> ... implementers will want to look at use case document
07:15:44 <wbailer> ... we should consider updating the use case and requirements document
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07:16:02 <wbailer> ... then wonsuk could raise the issue of implementing the api in the webkit community
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07:16:47 <wbailer> ... uc and rec document needs to be aligned
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07:18:36 <wbailer> action: wonsuk to propose use case related to webkit
07:18:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-441 - Propose use case related to webkit [on WonSuk Lee - due 2011-09-14].
07:19:21 <wbailer> action: florian to check and update uc and req document for consistency with specs
07:19:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-442 - Check and update uc and req document for consistency with specs [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2011-09-14].
07:21:13 <wbailer> topic: moving api doc to cr
07:24:55 <wbailer> reviewing thierry's proposal for the status of the document paragraph
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07:26:47 <wbailer> thierry's proposal is accepted
07:26:56 <wbailer> topic: api testsuite
07:27:40 <wbailer> florian: todos: 1. define normative json from the ontology testuite, 2. positive/negative test cases
07:28:00 <wbailer> florian: two layers: only unstructured, and structured+unstructured
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07:29:07 <wbailer> ... the unstructured test cases tests the return values in the generic MediaAnnotation interface
07:29:26 <wbailer> ... the second level would test the specific return types
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07:30:46 <wbailer> ... in addition define test cases for retrieving properties not defined, not present in the source file etc
07:31:38 <wbailer> action: florian to draft api test suite document based on the outcomes of today's discussions
07:31:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-443 - Draft api test suite document based on the outcomes of today's discussions [on Florian Stegmaier - due 2011-09-14].
07:36:16 <wbailer> for the unstructured test cases, the behaviour is not specific to the properties, ie it is not strictly necessary to cover all properties in an implementation
07:36:45 <wbailer> for the structured case, the behaviour may be different, thus all properties must be tested
07:37:57 <fstegmai> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/TestSuite
07:38:04 <wbailer> in case that some properties are not covered in formats, we need to make sure that we cover all the properties
07:38:53 <wbailer> florian: JSON comparison will be client-side as a JS library, thus the tests could run similar to those testing user agent features
07:39:04 <wbailer> ... cf eg http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/ElementTraversal/index.html
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07:39:51 <wbailer> in addition to all the properties, there will be negative test cases, and optional features such as fitlering
07:40:00 <wbailer> s/fitlering/filtering/
07:41:49 <wbailer> we need to able to easily create the overview table of features vs implementations from the JSON comparison results from each individual test
07:42:07 <wbailer> wonsuk: should each column in the test output be a separate metadata format?
07:42:45 <wbailer> florian: not all implementations support all formats, plan is to select the formats to be tested for each implementation
07:43:07 <wbailer> ... should run tests for the formats separately
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07:50:58 <wbailer> daniel: for results, use a table of test vs implementations, summarise results over all formats tested with one implementation
07:55:24 <wbailer> florians proposal for interface for defining the test cases uploaded to http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/TestSuite
07:55:35 <wbailer> test cases should include typical error cases
07:57:16 <wbailer> we should discuss with thierry how many test cases are required
07:58:07 <wbailer> florian: first version of test suite could be available before tpac
07:58:18 <wbailer> zakim, this will be mawg
07:58:18 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, wbailer
07:58:26 <wbailer> zakim, this will be conf1
07:58:26 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, wbailer
08:02:45 <wbailer> action: thierry to set up api test suite page
08:02:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-444 - Set up api test suite page [on Thierry Michel - due 2011-09-14].
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08:07:03 <tmichel> zakim, space for 6 for 360 minutes?
08:07:04 <Zakim> ok, tmichel; conference Team_(mediaann)08:07Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 360 minutes until 1407Z
08:07:37 <tmichel> can I join the call to discuss the API CR exit criteria ?
08:08:53 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)08:07Z has now started
08:09:00 <Zakim> +graz_f2f
08:10:24 <Zakim> +??P1
08:11:05 <wbailer> topic: discussion with api exit criteria
08:11:16 <wbailer> s/api/api cr/
08:12:03 <wbailer> daniel reports on test suite discussion
08:12:28 <tmichel> OK I will join too ...Here is a first draft of the Status of this Document section for the API
08:12:28 <tmichel> CR version.
08:12:28 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/API10/CR/sotd.html 
08:14:00 <wbailer> group agrees on the proposed text
08:14:39 <tmichel> OK very good, I will put it in the spec
08:17:16 <tmichel> Thierry will make a new testsuite page for the API + an implementation report.
08:18:30 <tmichel> Florian is done with the editing of the API. Thierry has the editing token.
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08:22:40 <wbailer> descriptions of implementations can be made available to the public 
08:24:47 <wbailer> plan is to transit documents in about 2 weeks from now
08:29:26 <tmichel> Use Cases and Requirements for Ontology and API for Media Resource 1.0
08:29:28 <wbailer> wonsuk proposes to update use case doc for proposing api to webkit community
08:29:34 <tmichel> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-media-annot-reqs-20100121/
08:29:54 <tmichel> this document is kind of out of date regarding our specs.
08:30:08 <tmichel> should be updated accordinglly
08:30:40 <wbailer> we have assigned actions to wonsuk and florian to work on updating it and aligning it with the specs
08:32:30 <wbailer> tobias can contribute to updates
08:34:31 <wbailer> pr phase for ontology doc is expected to take about 4 weeks
08:35:25 <tmichel> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2011Aug/0002.html
08:39:56 <tmichel> Thierry will add a reference to part 1 and part 2.
08:43:13 <Zakim> -graz_f2f
08:43:19 <Zakim> -tmichel
08:43:20 <Zakim> Team_(mediaann)08:07Z has ended
08:43:22 <Zakim> Attendees were graz_f2f, tmichel
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08:44:16 <wbailer> present+ thierry
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