IRC log of lld on 2011-09-01

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13:58:46 [RRSAgent]
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logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-irc
13:58:50 [tbaker]
rrsagent, bookmark
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See http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-irc#T13-58-50
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13:58:57 [tbaker]
zakim, this will be lld
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ok, tbaker; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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Meeting: LLD XG editorial group
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Chair: Tom
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INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started
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+??P29
13:59:58 [tbaker]
Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=FinalEditing&oldid=6017
14:00:06 [dvilasuero]
zakim, p29 is me
14:00:13 [Zakim]
sorry, dvilasuero, I do not recognize a party named 'p29'
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+??P33
14:00:20 [dvilasuero]
zakim, +??P29 is me
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+??P37
14:00:23 [Zakim]
sorry, dvilasuero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P29'
14:00:31 [emma]
zakim, ??P37 is me
14:00:31 [Zakim]
+emma; got it
14:00:42 [Zakim]
+??P35
14:00:47 [dvilasuero]
zakim, +??P29 is me
14:00:48 [Zakim]
sorry, dvilasuero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P29'
14:00:48 [tbaker]
zakim, ??p29 is dvilasuero
14:00:50 [antoine]
zakim, ??P33 is me
14:00:51 [Zakim]
+dvilasuero; got it
14:00:54 [Zakim]
+antoine; got it
14:00:58 [kcoyle]
zakim, ??p35 is me
14:01:00 [dvilasuero]
thanks tom
14:01:01 [Zakim]
+kcoyle; got it
14:01:05 [dvilasuero]
zakim, mute me
14:01:05 [Zakim]
dvilasuero should now be muted
14:01:24 [antoine]
zakim, who is here?
14:01:31 [Zakim]
On the phone I see dvilasuero (muted), antoine, emma, kcoyle
14:01:39 [Zakim]
On IRC I see kcoyle, antoine, emma, dvilasuero, RRSAgent, Zakim, tbaker, jodi, danbri, rsinger
14:02:25 [Zakim]
+ +1.763.463.aaaa
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14:02:25 [rsinger]
heh, well, i'm just too lazy to log out
14:02:33 [jodi]
zakim, aaaa is jodi
14:02:35 [Zakim]
+jodi; got it
14:02:37 [pmurray]
I'm dialing in now. Got delayed.
14:02:39 [Zakim]
+??P51
14:02:47 [tbaker]
zakim, ??P51 is tbaker
14:02:47 [Zakim]
+tbaker; got it
14:03:06 [rsinger]
wait - who is supposed to be calling in?
14:03:29 [tbaker]
ross, you're welcome to call in...!
14:03:43 [rsinger]
tbaker: but do i *have* to?
14:03:45 [tbaker]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=FinalEditing&oldid=6017
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14:04:07 [tbaker]
ross, no, you can follow on IRC
14:04:10 [rsinger]
oh, i'm on the editor list, right?
14:04:12 [Zakim]
+ +1.404.892.aabb
14:04:18 [pmurray]
zakim, aabb is me
14:04:18 [Zakim]
+pmurray; got it
14:04:18 [rsinger]
no, i'll call in
14:04:23 [tbaker]
ok
14:06:17 [antoine]
test line
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+ +1.423.463.aacc
14:07:30 [rsinger]
ok
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zakim, aacc is me
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+rsinger; got it
14:08:44 [Zakim]
+[LC]
14:08:51 [edsu]
Zakim, LC is edsu
14:08:51 [Zakim]
+edsu; got it
14:11:11 [emma]
scribenick: emma
14:11:21 [emma]
TOPIC: ack's
14:11:37 [emma]
Tom: W3C feedback is we need authors
14:12:25 [antoine]
... it is still unknown if we need editors in that case
14:13:30 [emma]
Tom: need to write the "about this report section", straightforward task
14:14:14 [rsinger]
edsu: i think (in this case) the opposite of "temporary for the comment period"
14:14:17 [emma]
... next week we'll give the go - no go for each wiki section
14:14:32 [rsinger]
but not permanent as in "long term preservation strategy"
14:15:51 [emma]
... schedule at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/FinalEditing may be too tight
14:17:41 [edsu]
rsinger: :)
14:18:01 [emma]
Jodi: change the preferences in the wiki to produce a plain HTML outpu
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s/outpu/output
14:18:37 [emma]
... + use find & replace ;-)
14:21:15 [jodi]
there are the fine details: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Publishing_Incubator_Group_Documents
14:21:51 [jodi]
here are the "export into HTML" details: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Publishing_Incubator_Group_Documents#Export_into_HTML_from_MediaWiki
14:22:34 [Zakim]
-emma
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+??P37
14:23:19 [emma]
zakim, ??P37 is me
14:23:19 [Zakim]
+emma; got it
14:24:19 [emma]
Karen: we can hand code the issues easily in the HTML
14:24:49 [emma]
Tom: divide the work to get back to schedule, starting next wednesday ?
14:25:28 [tbaker]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ConversionStyle
14:26:11 [emma]
Jodi: formatting could be handled by 1 person, otherwise waste of time
14:26:28 [jodi]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ConversionStyle
14:26:40 [emma]
...copy-editing (for capitalizations, etc.) can be done by mutliple people
14:27:02 [emma]
... + multiple people to read the report again
14:29:45 [emma]
Karen: we need to decide on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ConversionStyle
14:30:44 [emma]
Tom: agreed to do first copy editing, then 1 person to work on the conversion to HTML
14:31:13 [emma]
Jodi: then proofreading at the end.
14:31:44 [emma]
TOPIC: conversion style
14:34:48 [kcoyle]
library Linked Data
14:35:14 [emma]
Emma: Linked Data upper case
14:36:09 [emma]
Karen: "Library Linked Data" upper case if we're talking about the working group, otherwise, "library" lower case
14:37:39 [emma]
Antoine: avoid LLD, spell it out as Library Linked Data
14:38:35 [emma]
Karen; other issues, acronyms, case of headings
14:38:49 [emma]
s/Karen;/Karen:
14:40:16 [jodi]
+1 //depends on how recently it's been used
14:40:30 [emma]
Tom: if sth is to be referred to several times in a paragraph, ok to use acronym. If it's just once, spell it out with acronym between brackets
14:41:18 [emma]
Karen: RDF, OWL, URI... good cases where it's ok to use acronyms
14:42:12 [emma]
Antoine: if we have a section on acronyms it won't be a short section ! lots of acronyms in data related sections
14:42:22 [kcoyle]
example: Value vocabularies such as LCSH, AGROVOC, VIAF, DDC and GeoNames;
14:42:34 [Zakim]
-emma
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+??P7
14:43:19 [tbaker]
zakim, ??p7 is emma
14:43:19 [Zakim]
+emma; got it
14:43:21 [emma]
zakim, ??P7 is me
14:43:21 [Zakim]
I already had ??P7 as emma, emma
14:44:21 [antoine]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset#Dewey_Decimal_Classification_.28DDC.29_summaries
14:45:13 [emma]
Antoine: use links to the side deliverable once available in HTML
14:45:55 [tbaker]
ACTION: As part of final HTML editing, add links between sections of the document where necessary.
14:46:09 [emma]
rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:46:09 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-minutes.html emma
14:46:10 [tbaker]
ACTION: Peter, Jodi, and Karen convert wiki to HTML text.
14:46:31 [emma]
rrsagent, please make record public
14:48:51 [emma]
Tom: suggestion is to use simply "libraries" instead of other expressions used in the text ; do we agree ?
14:49:15 [emma]
Karen: not bothered by having museums and archives sometimes mentionned
14:49:31 [emma]
... most of times we could just use libraries
14:49:45 [antoine]
+1 for flexibility
14:49:48 [emma]
Tom: we can be flexible here
14:49:54 [jodi]
+1
14:50:04 [emma]
+1
14:50:44 [dvilasuero]
+1
14:52:32 [emma]
Karen: style of headers
14:54:04 [emma]
Karen: pick the level of title that will be title case
14:56:33 [antoine]
http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-reference/
14:57:22 [tbaker]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/XGR-ssn-20110628/
14:57:52 [emma]
Antoine: "status of this document" could include ref to other deliverables.
14:59:44 [emma]
Tom: what we call "executive summary" is usually called "abstact"
15:03:36 [Zakim]
-emma
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+??P13
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zakim, ??P13 is me
15:05:28 [Zakim]
+emma; got it
15:08:12 [emma]
Topic: press release
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Antoine: Emma sent a draft
15:08:36 [tbaker]
http://www.w3.org/2009/07/skos-pr - SKOS press release
15:08:42 [emma]
Tom: SKOS press release could be more extensive
15:10:28 [emma]
Topic: divinding the
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s/divinding the/divinding sections among editors
15:10:53 [rsinger]
obviously confused by my dulcet brogue
15:11:13 [emma]
Karen: volunteer for appendices
15:12:03 [emma]
Tom: executive summary
15:13:37 [dvilasuero]
i am afraid I have to leave now. i am late for a meeting. I can take care of the use case separate deliverable
15:14:01 [Zakim]
-dvilasuero
15:14:20 [emma]
I'm willing to work on 5 (current situation) or 6 (recs)
15:15:35 [emma]
rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:15:35 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-minutes.html emma
15:15:50 [jodi]
I'm putting a link to the stylesheet at the top of the draft report for convenience
15:18:31 [Zakim]
-emma
15:19:18 [edsu]
i'm just going to read the whole thing, it's not that long :-)
15:24:01 [danbri]
so is LLD finished?
15:24:10 [danbri]
you've all been so energetic... hope something somehow continues!
15:25:01 [jodi]
danbri: there's been some discussion of a community group but we're focused on getting the report out at present
15:25:22 [danbri]
ah, thanks
15:25:26 [jodi]
danbri: promote this, if you can: http://panelpicker.sxsw.com/ideas/view/12278
15:25:57 [antoine]
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset#Metadata_Element_Sets
15:30:20 [edsu]
danbri: i like the new tiled background :)
15:30:35 [danbri]
oh, the escher thingie?
15:30:49 [edsu]
yeah :) maybe it's not new ...
15:30:53 [tbaker]
Draft ACTION: [Someone] to post to public-xg-lld asking for a volunteer to copy-edit: check against http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ConversionStyle and check acronyms
15:33:55 [tbaker]
Use of commas in: "one, two, and three" or "one, two and three"
15:35:02 [antoine]
One last thing: http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/ @
15:35:43 [jodi]
antoine: is that linked from our style manual?
15:36:40 [antoine]
no, it should!
15:36:48 [jodi]
thanks everybody! :)
15:36:51 [antoine]
rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:36:51 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-minutes.html antoine
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-edsu
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-jodi
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-tbaker
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-kcoyle
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-pmurray
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-rsinger
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15:42:09 [Zakim]
disconnecting the lone participant, antoine, in INC_LLDXG()10:00AM
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INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were emma, dvilasuero, antoine, kcoyle, +1.763.463.aaaa, jodi, tbaker, +1.404.892.aabb, pmurray, +1.423.463.aacc, rsinger, edsu
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