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13:58:50 <tbaker> rrsagent, bookmark
13:58:50 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-irc#T13-58-50
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13:58:57 <tbaker> zakim, this will be lld
13:58:57 <Zakim> ok, tbaker; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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13:59:15 <tbaker> Meeting: LLD XG editorial group
13:59:20 <tbaker> Chair: Tom
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13:59:46 <Zakim> INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started
13:59:53 <Zakim> +??P29
13:59:58 <tbaker> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=FinalEditing&oldid=6017
14:00:06 <dvilasuero> zakim, p29 is me
14:00:13 <Zakim> sorry, dvilasuero, I do not recognize a party named 'p29'
14:00:19 <Zakim> +??P33
14:00:20 <dvilasuero> zakim, +??P29 is me
14:00:21 <Zakim> +??P37
14:00:23 <Zakim> sorry, dvilasuero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P29'
14:00:31 <emma> zakim, ??P37 is me
14:00:31 <Zakim> +emma; got it
14:00:42 <Zakim> +??P35
14:00:47 <dvilasuero> zakim, +??P29 is me
14:00:48 <Zakim> sorry, dvilasuero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P29'
14:00:48 <tbaker> zakim, ??p29 is dvilasuero
14:00:50 <antoine> zakim, ??P33 is me
14:00:51 <Zakim> +dvilasuero; got it
14:00:54 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
14:00:58 <kcoyle> zakim, ??p35 is me
14:01:00 <dvilasuero> thanks tom
14:01:01 <Zakim> +kcoyle; got it
14:01:05 <dvilasuero> zakim, mute me
14:01:05 <Zakim> dvilasuero should now be muted
14:01:24 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
14:01:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see dvilasuero (muted), antoine, emma, kcoyle
14:01:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see kcoyle, antoine, emma, dvilasuero, RRSAgent, Zakim, tbaker, jodi, danbri, rsinger
14:02:25 <Zakim> + +1.763.463.aaaa
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14:02:25 <rsinger> heh, well, i'm just too lazy to log out
14:02:33 <jodi> zakim, aaaa is jodi
14:02:35 <Zakim> +jodi; got it
14:02:37 <pmurray> I'm dialing in now.  Got delayed.
14:02:39 <Zakim> +??P51
14:02:47 <tbaker> zakim, ??P51 is tbaker
14:02:47 <Zakim> +tbaker; got it
14:03:06 <rsinger> wait - who is supposed to be calling in?
14:03:29 <tbaker> ross, you're welcome to call in...!
14:03:43 <rsinger> tbaker: but do i *have* to?
14:03:45 <tbaker> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=FinalEditing&oldid=6017
14:03:46 <edsu> edsu has joined #lld
14:04:07 <tbaker> ross, no, you can follow on IRC
14:04:10 <rsinger> oh, i'm on the editor list, right?
14:04:12 <Zakim> + +1.404.892.aabb
14:04:18 <pmurray> zakim, aabb is me
14:04:18 <Zakim> +pmurray; got it
14:04:18 <rsinger> no, i'll call in
14:04:23 <tbaker> ok
14:06:17 <antoine> test line
14:06:59 <Zakim> + +1.423.463.aacc
14:07:30 <rsinger> ok
14:07:44 <rsinger> zakim, aacc is me
14:07:44 <Zakim> +rsinger; got it
14:08:44 <Zakim> +[LC]
14:08:51 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu
14:08:51 <Zakim> +edsu; got it
14:11:11 <emma> scribenick: emma
14:11:21 <emma> TOPIC: ack's
14:11:37 <emma> Tom: W3C feedback is we need authors
14:12:25 <antoine> ... it is still unknown if we need editors in that case
14:13:30 <emma> Tom: need to write the "about this report section", straightforward task
14:14:14 <rsinger> edsu: i think (in this case) the opposite of "temporary for the comment period"
14:14:17 <emma> ... next week we'll give the go - no go for each wiki section
14:14:32 <rsinger> but not permanent as in "long term preservation strategy"
14:15:51 <emma> ... schedule at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/FinalEditing may be too tight
14:17:41 <edsu> rsinger: :)
14:18:01 <emma> Jodi: change the preferences in the wiki to produce a plain HTML outpu
14:18:19 <emma> s/outpu/output
14:18:37 <emma> ... + use find & replace ;-)
14:21:15 <jodi> there are the fine details: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Publishing_Incubator_Group_Documents
14:21:51 <jodi> here are the "export into HTML" details: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Publishing_Incubator_Group_Documents#Export_into_HTML_from_MediaWiki
14:22:34 <Zakim> -emma
14:23:11 <Zakim> +??P37
14:23:19 <emma> zakim, ??P37 is me
14:23:19 <Zakim> +emma; got it
14:24:19 <emma> Karen: we can hand code the issues easily in the HTML
14:24:49 <emma> Tom: divide the work to get back to schedule, starting next wednesday ?
14:25:28 <tbaker> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ConversionStyle
14:26:11 <emma> Jodi:  formatting could be handled by 1 person, otherwise waste of time
14:26:28 <jodi> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ConversionStyle
14:26:40 <emma> ...copy-editing (for capitalizations, etc.) can be done by mutliple people
14:27:02 <emma> ... + multiple people to read the report again
14:29:45 <emma> Karen: we need to decide on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ConversionStyle
14:30:44 <emma> Tom: agreed to do first copy editing, then 1 person to work on the conversion to HTML
14:31:13 <emma> Jodi: then proofreading at the end.
14:31:44 <emma> TOPIC: conversion style
14:34:48 <kcoyle> library Linked Data
14:35:14 <emma> Emma: Linked Data upper case
14:36:09 <emma> Karen: "Library Linked Data" upper case if we're talking about the working group, otherwise, "library" lower case
14:37:39 <emma> Antoine: avoid LLD, spell it out as Library Linked Data
14:38:35 <emma> Karen; other issues, acronyms, case of headings
14:38:49 <emma> s/Karen;/Karen:
14:40:16 <jodi> +1 //depends on how recently it's been used
14:40:30 <emma> Tom: if sth is to be referred to several times in a paragraph, ok to use acronym. If it's just once, spell it out with acronym between brackets
14:41:18 <emma> Karen: RDF, OWL, URI... good cases where it's ok to use acronyms
14:42:12 <emma> Antoine: if we have a section on acronyms it won't be a short section ! lots of acronyms in data related sections
14:42:22 <kcoyle> example: Value vocabularies such as LCSH, AGROVOC, VIAF, DDC and GeoNames; 
14:42:34 <Zakim> -emma
14:43:11 <Zakim> +??P7
14:43:19 <tbaker> zakim, ??p7 is emma
14:43:19 <Zakim> +emma; got it
14:43:21 <emma> zakim, ??P7 is me
14:43:21 <Zakim> I already had ??P7 as emma, emma
14:44:21 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset#Dewey_Decimal_Classification_.28DDC.29_summaries
14:45:13 <emma> Antoine: use links to the side deliverable once available in HTML
14:45:55 <tbaker> ACTION: As part of final HTML editing, add links between sections of the document where necessary.
14:46:09 <emma> rrsagent, please draft minutes
14:46:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-minutes.html emma
14:46:10 <tbaker> ACTION: Peter, Jodi, and Karen convert wiki to HTML text.
14:46:31 <emma> rrsagent, please make record public
14:48:51 <emma> Tom: suggestion is to use simply "libraries" instead of other expressions used in the text ; do we agree ?
14:49:15 <emma> Karen: not bothered by having museums and archives sometimes mentionned
14:49:31 <emma> ... most of times we could just use libraries
14:49:45 <antoine> +1 for flexibility
14:49:48 <emma> Tom: we can be flexible here
14:49:54 <jodi> +1
14:50:04 <emma> +1
14:50:44 <dvilasuero> +1
14:52:32 <emma> Karen: style of headers
14:54:04 <emma> Karen: pick the level of title that will be title case
14:56:33 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-reference/
14:57:22 <tbaker> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/XGR-ssn-20110628/
14:57:52 <emma> Antoine: "status of this document" could include ref to other deliverables. 
14:59:44 <emma> Tom: what we call "executive summary" is usually called "abstact"
15:03:36 <Zakim> -emma
15:04:48 <Zakim> +??P13
15:05:00 <emma> zakim, ??P13 is me
15:05:28 <Zakim> +emma; got it
15:08:12 <emma> Topic: press release
15:08:28 <emma> Antoine: Emma sent a draft
15:08:36 <tbaker> http://www.w3.org/2009/07/skos-pr - SKOS press release
15:08:42 <emma> Tom: SKOS press release could be more extensive
15:10:28 <emma> Topic: divinding the 
15:10:50 <emma> s/divinding the/divinding sections among editors
15:10:53 <rsinger> obviously confused by my dulcet brogue
15:11:13 <emma> Karen: volunteer for appendices
15:12:03 <emma> Tom: executive summary
15:13:37 <dvilasuero> i am afraid I have to leave now. i am late for a meeting. I can take care of the use case separate deliverable
15:14:01 <Zakim> -dvilasuero
15:14:20 <emma> I'm willing to work on 5 (current situation) or 6 (recs)
15:15:35 <emma> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:15:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-minutes.html emma
15:15:50 <jodi> I'm putting a link to the stylesheet at the top of the draft report for convenience
15:18:31 <Zakim> -emma
15:19:18 <edsu> i'm just going to read the whole thing, it's not that long :-)
15:24:01 <danbri> so is LLD finished? 
15:24:10 <danbri> you've all been so energetic... hope something somehow continues!
15:25:01 <jodi> danbri: there's been some discussion of a community group but we're focused on getting the report out at present
15:25:22 <danbri> ah, thanks
15:25:26 <jodi> danbri: promote this, if you can: http://panelpicker.sxsw.com/ideas/view/12278
15:25:57 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset#Metadata_Element_Sets
15:30:20 <edsu> danbri: i like the new tiled background :)
15:30:35 <danbri> oh, the escher thingie?
15:30:49 <edsu> yeah :) maybe it's not new ...
15:30:53 <tbaker> Draft ACTION: [Someone] to post to public-xg-lld asking for a volunteer to copy-edit: check against http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ConversionStyle and check acronyms
15:33:55 <tbaker> Use of commas in: "one, two, and three" or "one, two and three" 
15:35:02 <antoine> One last thing: http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/ @
15:35:43 <jodi> antoine: is that linked from our style manual?
15:36:40 <antoine> no, it should!
15:36:48 <jodi> thanks everybody! :)
15:36:51 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
15:36:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-minutes.html antoine
15:36:51 <Zakim> -edsu
15:36:53 <Zakim> -jodi
15:36:53 <Zakim> -tbaker
15:36:54 <Zakim> -kcoyle
15:36:54 <Zakim> -pmurray
15:37:08 <Zakim> -rsinger
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15:42:09 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, antoine, in INC_LLDXG()10:00AM
15:42:12 <Zakim> INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has ended
15:42:14 <Zakim> Attendees were emma, dvilasuero, antoine, kcoyle, +1.763.463.aaaa, jodi, tbaker, +1.404.892.aabb, pmurray, +1.423.463.aacc, rsinger, edsu
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