IRC log of lld on 2011-09-01
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-irc
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- rrsagent, bookmark
- 13:58:50 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-irc#T13-58-50
- 13:58:50 [dvilasuero]
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- zakim, this will be lld
- 13:58:57 [Zakim]
- ok, tbaker; I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
- 13:59:03 [emma]
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- Meeting: LLD XG editorial group
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- Chair: Tom
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- INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has now started
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- +??P29
- 13:59:58 [tbaker]
- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=FinalEditing&oldid=6017
- 14:00:06 [dvilasuero]
- zakim, p29 is me
- 14:00:13 [Zakim]
- sorry, dvilasuero, I do not recognize a party named 'p29'
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- +??P33
- 14:00:20 [dvilasuero]
- zakim, +??P29 is me
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- +??P37
- 14:00:23 [Zakim]
- sorry, dvilasuero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P29'
- 14:00:31 [emma]
- zakim, ??P37 is me
- 14:00:31 [Zakim]
- +emma; got it
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- +??P35
- 14:00:47 [dvilasuero]
- zakim, +??P29 is me
- 14:00:48 [Zakim]
- sorry, dvilasuero, I do not recognize a party named '+??P29'
- 14:00:48 [tbaker]
- zakim, ??p29 is dvilasuero
- 14:00:50 [antoine]
- zakim, ??P33 is me
- 14:00:51 [Zakim]
- +dvilasuero; got it
- 14:00:54 [Zakim]
- +antoine; got it
- 14:00:58 [kcoyle]
- zakim, ??p35 is me
- 14:01:00 [dvilasuero]
- thanks tom
- 14:01:01 [Zakim]
- +kcoyle; got it
- 14:01:05 [dvilasuero]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:01:05 [Zakim]
- dvilasuero should now be muted
- 14:01:24 [antoine]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:01:31 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see dvilasuero (muted), antoine, emma, kcoyle
- 14:01:39 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see kcoyle, antoine, emma, dvilasuero, RRSAgent, Zakim, tbaker, jodi, danbri, rsinger
- 14:02:25 [Zakim]
- + +1.763.463.aaaa
- 14:02:25 [pmurray]
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- 14:02:25 [rsinger]
- heh, well, i'm just too lazy to log out
- 14:02:33 [jodi]
- zakim, aaaa is jodi
- 14:02:35 [Zakim]
- +jodi; got it
- 14:02:37 [pmurray]
- I'm dialing in now. Got delayed.
- 14:02:39 [Zakim]
- +??P51
- 14:02:47 [tbaker]
- zakim, ??P51 is tbaker
- 14:02:47 [Zakim]
- +tbaker; got it
- 14:03:06 [rsinger]
- wait - who is supposed to be calling in?
- 14:03:29 [tbaker]
- ross, you're welcome to call in...!
- 14:03:43 [rsinger]
- tbaker: but do i *have* to?
- 14:03:45 [tbaker]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=FinalEditing&oldid=6017
- 14:03:46 [edsu]
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- 14:04:07 [tbaker]
- ross, no, you can follow on IRC
- 14:04:10 [rsinger]
- oh, i'm on the editor list, right?
- 14:04:12 [Zakim]
- + +1.404.892.aabb
- 14:04:18 [pmurray]
- zakim, aabb is me
- 14:04:18 [Zakim]
- +pmurray; got it
- 14:04:18 [rsinger]
- no, i'll call in
- 14:04:23 [tbaker]
- ok
- 14:06:17 [antoine]
- test line
- 14:06:59 [Zakim]
- + +1.423.463.aacc
- 14:07:30 [rsinger]
- ok
- 14:07:44 [rsinger]
- zakim, aacc is me
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- +rsinger; got it
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- +[LC]
- 14:08:51 [edsu]
- Zakim, LC is edsu
- 14:08:51 [Zakim]
- +edsu; got it
- 14:11:11 [emma]
- scribenick: emma
- 14:11:21 [emma]
- TOPIC: ack's
- 14:11:37 [emma]
- Tom: W3C feedback is we need authors
- 14:12:25 [antoine]
- ... it is still unknown if we need editors in that case
- 14:13:30 [emma]
- Tom: need to write the "about this report section", straightforward task
- 14:14:14 [rsinger]
- edsu: i think (in this case) the opposite of "temporary for the comment period"
- 14:14:17 [emma]
- ... next week we'll give the go - no go for each wiki section
- 14:14:32 [rsinger]
- but not permanent as in "long term preservation strategy"
- 14:15:51 [emma]
- ... schedule at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/FinalEditing may be too tight
- 14:17:41 [edsu]
- rsinger: :)
- 14:18:01 [emma]
- Jodi: change the preferences in the wiki to produce a plain HTML outpu
- 14:18:19 [emma]
- s/outpu/output
- 14:18:37 [emma]
- ... + use find & replace ;-)
- 14:21:15 [jodi]
- there are the fine details: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Publishing_Incubator_Group_Documents
- 14:21:51 [jodi]
- here are the "export into HTML" details: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Publishing_Incubator_Group_Documents#Export_into_HTML_from_MediaWiki
- 14:22:34 [Zakim]
- -emma
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- +??P37
- 14:23:19 [emma]
- zakim, ??P37 is me
- 14:23:19 [Zakim]
- +emma; got it
- 14:24:19 [emma]
- Karen: we can hand code the issues easily in the HTML
- 14:24:49 [emma]
- Tom: divide the work to get back to schedule, starting next wednesday ?
- 14:25:28 [tbaker]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ConversionStyle
- 14:26:11 [emma]
- Jodi: formatting could be handled by 1 person, otherwise waste of time
- 14:26:28 [jodi]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ConversionStyle
- 14:26:40 [emma]
- ...copy-editing (for capitalizations, etc.) can be done by mutliple people
- 14:27:02 [emma]
- ... + multiple people to read the report again
- 14:29:45 [emma]
- Karen: we need to decide on http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ConversionStyle
- 14:30:44 [emma]
- Tom: agreed to do first copy editing, then 1 person to work on the conversion to HTML
- 14:31:13 [emma]
- Jodi: then proofreading at the end.
- 14:31:44 [emma]
- TOPIC: conversion style
- 14:34:48 [kcoyle]
- library Linked Data
- 14:35:14 [emma]
- Emma: Linked Data upper case
- 14:36:09 [emma]
- Karen: "Library Linked Data" upper case if we're talking about the working group, otherwise, "library" lower case
- 14:37:39 [emma]
- Antoine: avoid LLD, spell it out as Library Linked Data
- 14:38:35 [emma]
- Karen; other issues, acronyms, case of headings
- 14:38:49 [emma]
- s/Karen;/Karen:
- 14:40:16 [jodi]
- +1 //depends on how recently it's been used
- 14:40:30 [emma]
- Tom: if sth is to be referred to several times in a paragraph, ok to use acronym. If it's just once, spell it out with acronym between brackets
- 14:41:18 [emma]
- Karen: RDF, OWL, URI... good cases where it's ok to use acronyms
- 14:42:12 [emma]
- Antoine: if we have a section on acronyms it won't be a short section ! lots of acronyms in data related sections
- 14:42:22 [kcoyle]
- example: Value vocabularies such as LCSH, AGROVOC, VIAF, DDC and GeoNames;
- 14:42:34 [Zakim]
- -emma
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- +??P7
- 14:43:19 [tbaker]
- zakim, ??p7 is emma
- 14:43:19 [Zakim]
- +emma; got it
- 14:43:21 [emma]
- zakim, ??P7 is me
- 14:43:21 [Zakim]
- I already had ??P7 as emma, emma
- 14:44:21 [antoine]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset#Dewey_Decimal_Classification_.28DDC.29_summaries
- 14:45:13 [emma]
- Antoine: use links to the side deliverable once available in HTML
- 14:45:55 [tbaker]
- ACTION: As part of final HTML editing, add links between sections of the document where necessary.
- 14:46:09 [emma]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 14:46:09 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-minutes.html emma
- 14:46:10 [tbaker]
- ACTION: Peter, Jodi, and Karen convert wiki to HTML text.
- 14:46:31 [emma]
- rrsagent, please make record public
- 14:48:51 [emma]
- Tom: suggestion is to use simply "libraries" instead of other expressions used in the text ; do we agree ?
- 14:49:15 [emma]
- Karen: not bothered by having museums and archives sometimes mentionned
- 14:49:31 [emma]
- ... most of times we could just use libraries
- 14:49:45 [antoine]
- +1 for flexibility
- 14:49:48 [emma]
- Tom: we can be flexible here
- 14:49:54 [jodi]
- +1
- 14:50:04 [emma]
- +1
- 14:50:44 [dvilasuero]
- +1
- 14:52:32 [emma]
- Karen: style of headers
- 14:54:04 [emma]
- Karen: pick the level of title that will be title case
- 14:56:33 [antoine]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-reference/
- 14:57:22 [tbaker]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/XGR-ssn-20110628/
- 14:57:52 [emma]
- Antoine: "status of this document" could include ref to other deliverables.
- 14:59:44 [emma]
- Tom: what we call "executive summary" is usually called "abstact"
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- -emma
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- +??P13
- 15:05:00 [emma]
- zakim, ??P13 is me
- 15:05:28 [Zakim]
- +emma; got it
- 15:08:12 [emma]
- Topic: press release
- 15:08:28 [emma]
- Antoine: Emma sent a draft
- 15:08:36 [tbaker]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/07/skos-pr - SKOS press release
- 15:08:42 [emma]
- Tom: SKOS press release could be more extensive
- 15:10:28 [emma]
- Topic: divinding the
- 15:10:50 [emma]
- s/divinding the/divinding sections among editors
- 15:10:53 [rsinger]
- obviously confused by my dulcet brogue
- 15:11:13 [emma]
- Karen: volunteer for appendices
- 15:12:03 [emma]
- Tom: executive summary
- 15:13:37 [dvilasuero]
- i am afraid I have to leave now. i am late for a meeting. I can take care of the use case separate deliverable
- 15:14:01 [Zakim]
- -dvilasuero
- 15:14:20 [emma]
- I'm willing to work on 5 (current situation) or 6 (recs)
- 15:15:35 [emma]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 15:15:35 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-minutes.html emma
- 15:15:50 [jodi]
- I'm putting a link to the stylesheet at the top of the draft report for convenience
- 15:18:31 [Zakim]
- -emma
- 15:19:18 [edsu]
- i'm just going to read the whole thing, it's not that long :-)
- 15:24:01 [danbri]
- so is LLD finished?
- 15:24:10 [danbri]
- you've all been so energetic... hope something somehow continues!
- 15:25:01 [jodi]
- danbri: there's been some discussion of a community group but we're focused on getting the report out at present
- 15:25:22 [danbri]
- ah, thanks
- 15:25:26 [jodi]
- danbri: promote this, if you can: http://panelpicker.sxsw.com/ideas/view/12278
- 15:25:57 [antoine]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset#Metadata_Element_Sets
- 15:30:20 [edsu]
- danbri: i like the new tiled background :)
- 15:30:35 [danbri]
- oh, the escher thingie?
- 15:30:49 [edsu]
- yeah :) maybe it's not new ...
- 15:30:53 [tbaker]
- Draft ACTION: [Someone] to post to public-xg-lld asking for a volunteer to copy-edit: check against http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ConversionStyle and check acronyms
- 15:33:55 [tbaker]
- Use of commas in: "one, two, and three" or "one, two and three"
- 15:35:02 [antoine]
- One last thing: http://www.w3.org/2001/06/manual/ @
- 15:35:43 [jodi]
- antoine: is that linked from our style manual?
- 15:36:40 [antoine]
- no, it should!
- 15:36:48 [jodi]
- thanks everybody! :)
- 15:36:51 [antoine]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 15:36:51 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/09/01-lld-minutes.html antoine
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- -edsu
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- -jodi
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- -tbaker
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- -kcoyle
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- -pmurray
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- -rsinger
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- pmurray has left #lld
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- disconnecting the lone participant, antoine, in INC_LLDXG()10:00AM
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- INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were emma, dvilasuero, antoine, kcoyle, +1.763.463.aaaa, jodi, tbaker, +1.404.892.aabb, pmurray, +1.423.463.aacc, rsinger, edsu
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