IRC log of poiwg on 2011-08-04

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be UW_POI

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Meeting: Points of Interest Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 04 August 2011

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zakim, dial matt-voip

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sorry, matt, I don't know what conference this is

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zakim, this will be POIWG

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ok, matt; I see UW_POI(POIWG)10:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago

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zakim, dial matt-voip

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ok, matt; the call is being made

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UW_POI(POIWG)10:00AM has now started

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+Matt

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zakim, who is on the phone?

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On the phone I see Matt

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+??P33

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sorry...rebooting my phone

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-??P33

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+ +1.312.894.aaaa

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hi good morning, silence on the phone?

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i'll dail in again

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- +1.312.894.aaaa

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zakim, drop me

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Matt is being disconnected

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Attendees were Matt, +1.312.894.aaaa

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zakim, dial matt-voip

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ok, matt; the call is being made

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UW_POI(POIWG)10:00AM has now started

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+Matt

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+ +1.312.894.aaaa

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+Christine

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+??P38

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zakim, ??p38 is robman

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+robman; got it

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+??P39

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zakim, ??P39 is me

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+Ronald; got it

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+ +1.617.642.aabb

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zakim, aabb is Raj

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+Raj; got it

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matt - have to step away for a minute or 2

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-poiwg/2011Aug/0000.html

14:13:15 [cperey]

perhaps we should begin with the end of the agenda?

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F2F meeting stuff?

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scribe: Matt

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Topic: Next F2F

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the registration page works :-)

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matt: Raj, do you have any additional information on the space?

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ACTION: matt to create registration form

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Created ACTION-94 - Create registration form [on Matt Womer - due 2011-08-11].

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ACTION: Andy to create F2F details page

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Created ACTION-95 - Create F2F details page [on Andrew Braun - due 2011-08-11].

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registration page: v

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https://portal.opengeospatial.org/public_ogc/register/110919poi.php

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-robman

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matt: The dates are 9/19-20-21

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sorry...redialling

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+??P38

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matt: I'll copy this data into our system.

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matt: Then pass it along to you Raj.

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raj: This won't register you for the OGC meeting, if you want to attend, I can get you in.

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cperey: The WG meetings there, some are closed, some are open, right? How will we know?

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rsingh2: The link at the bottom of the reg page saying "more information", you can see a tentative agenda posted.

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rsingh2: Anything that is marked a "DWG", you can likely attend.

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-> http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/1109tcagenda Agenda page

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matt: Any recommendations?

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rsingh2: Mass market is the most relevant to web technologies.

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cperey: ARML meeting? Is that within Mass market group?

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rsingh2: There's an ad hoc for ARML. Monday at 1600.

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cperey: I think everyone in POI would be interested.

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matt: I think we should as part of our agenda go to that.

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cperey: My opinion is that the mass market DWG on Wednesday from 1-3 we should go to as well.

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rsingh2: Geosemantics is relevant, it's RDF stuff.

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karls: We'll have critical mass, that's a great thing.

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cperey: The 3d summit might be of interest.

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rsingh2: The 3d summit has a separate registration.

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-> http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/11093dim 3D Summit page

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matt: We should probably follow their agenda building and see if we should attend.

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rsingh2: There's the context work that is similar to what we're doing, building on Atom.

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s/context work/Context SWG/

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karls: Can we get someone from that group to present to us?

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rsingh2: That's a better idea.

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ACTION: Raj to find someone from Context SWG to present to POI

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Created ACTION-96 - Find someone from Context SWG to present to POI [on Raj Singh - due 2011-08-11].

14:22:31 [cperey]

thank you for showing us the OGC meeting agenda, Raj, looks like a busy week!

14:23:11 [cperey]

for those who arrive early, I will be there

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http://2011.foss4g.org/

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is that the Open Street Map?

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matt: The week before is the FOSS4G meeting, open source geo stuff.

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rsingh2: There will be about 800 geo fanatics around Denver the week before.

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matt: Any other missing details for the F2F?

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rsingh2: There's also the State of the Map, OSM conference.

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http://stateofthemap.org/

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rsingh2: It is September 9-11 in Denver.

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Topic: Next Draft

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-> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/documents/Core/core-20110804.html latest draft

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-> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/documents/Core/core-20110804.html#CRS CRS stuff

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matt: I tried to introduce the CRS stuff a bit easier, and then refer back to that section within each primitive.

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karls: We dropped center, but have navigation point and point.

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matt: What's the difference between CRS and SRS?

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rsingh2: I can't remember exactly.

14:30:31 [robman]

that's spatial vs coordinate no?

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rsingh2: Always use CRS, but for some reason the parameter is always called srsName.

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rsingh2: SRS doesn't include some important concept, I can't remember which.

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matt: What's the S stand for? spatial? spherical?

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rsingh2: Spatial.

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matt: Would it be okay to use CRS consistently?

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ACTION: matt to make srsName into crs

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Created ACTION-97 - Make srsName into crs [on Matt Womer - due 2011-08-11].

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matt: Will URNs always be used or should it be http URIs?

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rsingh2: That's OGC policy now

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-> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/geopriv/current/msg00941.html URN thread in Geopriv

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-> http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/Unambiguous+Communication+of+CRS

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matt: And then I was confused about the CRS sub-element stuff.

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matt: I suspected that the "geometry element" mention was meant to mean within a location primitive?

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rsingh2: I think it means everything.

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matt: Does that mean you can't do <pois> and have it default, and then you specify a location with a crs that you can't do that?

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rsingh2: Interesting. I don't know.

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matt: I could see people mixing within a POI, e.g. to have an envelop in 2d but a point in 3d.

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rsingh2: A clean way to do this would be to not allow the specification at the top level.

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rsingh2: Only specifying it at the top level isn't really clear either

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rsingh2: If you're not just doing latitude and longitude, it's an edge case, and you should specify it at the POI level.

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rsingh2: So, if you're just doing lat/lng you don't have to do anything, but each POI would have to specify the CRS if not lat/lng.

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rsingh2: The only case I can see that being annoying for is for 3d coordinates.

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matt: I can see people frequently wanting a 3d point.

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rsingh2: How about no default at POIs level.

14:41:21 [jens]

that would be very verbose

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matt: So it's only at the POI level?

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rsingh2: For collections in 3d they'd have to write it for every POI.

14:41:43 [robman]

+1 to that being too verbose

14:41:45 [Ronald]

a bit too verbose indeed

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matt: I can see a use case of a 3d point, but maybe a 2d poly.

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rsingh2: So, make it so that within a location object having only one CRS.

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karls: Relationship is a primitive?

14:45:29 [matt]

matt: No, it's a bug. Moved back to being a locationship type.

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karls: Labels for terms, link for membership, category for type of description and relationships for spatial.

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karls: So, hours of operation would be a link relationship?

14:46:02 [robman]

links sound good to me 8)

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ACTION: matt to work out example on representing hours using link and Good Relations.

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Created ACTION-98 - Work out example on representing hours using link and Good Relations. [on Matt Womer - due 2011-08-11].

14:47:16 [karls]

be right back, boss calling

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- +1.312.894.aaaa

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ACTION: matt to remove whitespace/serialization from data model before publication

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Created ACTION-99 - Remove whitespace/serialization from data model before publication [on Matt Womer - due 2011-08-11].

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ISSUE-43?

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ISSUE-43 -- Do we want polygons to have complex topology with holes, etc -- raised

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http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/track/issues/43

14:49:54 [cperey]

sorry, had to drop off

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bye bye!

14:52:01 [matt]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poiwg/2011Aug/0002 Rob's proposal

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matt: I'd say, let's raise an issue and talk about it next week.

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robman: I think it makes profiles easier, but doesn't have to go now that we're close.

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+ +1.312.894.aacc

14:52:40 [karls]

am back

14:53:20 [matt]

matt: So, I'd like to update the XML syntax over the next two days, then publish on Tuesday. Sound good?

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[[yes]

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matt: I'll also update label and link.

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karls: I've got some folks geared up to write examples. I told them to pause for a bit, and talked to them last night. They're re-engineering their spec, and I'd love for them to comply.

14:55:39 [matt]

karls: I'm trying to contemplate on when to pull the trigger on getting them to do this.

14:55:48 [robman]

+1 to test implementations/usage

14:55:51 [matt]

matt: I would say have them do it Tuesday.

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-Raj

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zakim, drop me

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Matt is being disconnected

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-Matt

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-??P38

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-Christine

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disconnecting the lone participant, Ronald, in UW_POI(POIWG)10:00AM

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Attendees were Matt, +1.312.894.aaaa, Christine, robman, Ronald, +1.617.642.aabb, Raj, +1.312.894.aacc

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Present: Ronald, Karl, Raj, Christine, Jens, Matt

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Chair: Matt

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-poiwg-minutes.html matt

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