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14:01:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be UW_POI
14:01:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Points of Interest Working Group Teleconference
14:01:38 <trackbot> Date: 04 August 2011
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14:01:52 <matt> zakim, dial matt-voip
14:02:10 <Zakim> sorry, matt, I don't know what conference this is
14:02:18 <matt> zakim, this will be POIWG
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14:02:35 <Zakim> ok, matt; I see UW_POI(POIWG)10:00AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
14:02:39 <matt> zakim, dial matt-voip
14:02:53 <Zakim> ok, matt; the call is being made
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14:03:25 <matt> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:03:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see Matt
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14:04:33 <robman> sorry...rebooting my phone
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14:05:58 <karls> hi good morning, silence on the phone?
14:06:19 <karls> i'll dail in again
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14:06:23 <matt> zakim, drop me
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14:06:26 <Zakim> Attendees were Matt, +1.312.894.aaaa
14:06:28 <matt> zakim, dial matt-voip
14:06:28 <Zakim> ok, matt; the call is being made
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14:06:31 <Zakim> +Matt
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14:06:59 <Zakim> +Christine
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14:08:55 <matt> zakim, ??p38 is robman
14:08:55 <Zakim> +robman; got it
14:08:56 <Zakim> +??P39
14:09:15 <Ronald> zakim, ??P39 is me
14:09:15 <Zakim> +Ronald; got it
14:09:39 <Zakim> + +1.617.642.aabb
14:09:47 <matt> zakim, aabb is Raj
14:09:47 <Zakim> +Raj; got it
14:10:03 <karls> matt - have to step away for a minute or 2
14:13:13 <matt> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-poiwg/2011Aug/0000.html
14:13:15 <cperey> perhaps we should begin with the end of the agenda?
14:13:25 <cperey> F2F meeting stuff?
14:13:31 <matt> scribe: Matt
14:13:34 <matt> Topic: Next F2F
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14:14:04 <cperey> the registration page works :-)
14:14:10 <matt> matt: Raj, do you have any additional information on the space?
14:14:32 <matt> ACTION: matt to create registration form
14:14:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Create registration form [on Matt Womer - due 2011-08-11].
14:14:38 <matt> ACTION: Andy to create F2F details page
14:14:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-95 - Create F2F details page [on Andrew Braun - due 2011-08-11].
14:14:57 <rsingh2> registration page: v
14:15:00 <rsingh2> https://portal.opengeospatial.org/public_ogc/register/110919poi.php
14:15:13 <Zakim> -robman
14:15:20 <matt> matt: The dates are 9/19-20-21
14:15:43 <robman> sorry...redialling
14:16:25 <Zakim> +??P38
14:16:29 <matt> matt: I'll copy this data into our system.
14:16:35 <matt> matt: Then pass it along to you Raj.
14:16:49 <matt> raj: This won't register you for the OGC meeting, if you want to attend, I can get you in.
14:17:01 <matt> cperey: The WG meetings there, some are closed, some are open, right?  How will we know?
14:17:38 <matt> rsingh2: The link at the bottom of the reg page saying "more information", you can see a tentative agenda posted.
14:17:41 <matt> rsingh2: Anything that is marked a "DWG", you can likely attend.
14:17:54 <matt> -> http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/1109tcagenda Agenda page
14:17:59 <matt> matt: Any recommendations?
14:18:06 <matt> rsingh2: Mass market is the most relevant to web technologies.
14:18:18 <matt> cperey: ARML meeting?  Is that within Mass market group?
14:18:38 <matt> rsingh2: There's an ad hoc for ARML.  Monday at 1600.
14:18:51 <matt> cperey: I think everyone in POI would be interested.
14:19:08 <matt> matt: I think we should as part of our agenda go to that.
14:19:30 <matt> cperey: My opinion is that the mass market DWG on Wednesday from 1-3 we should go to as well.
14:19:54 <matt> rsingh2: Geosemantics is relevant, it's RDF stuff.
14:20:12 <matt> karls: We'll have critical mass, that's a great thing.
14:20:21 <matt> cperey: The 3d summit might be of interest.
14:20:28 <matt> rsingh2: The 3d summit has a separate registration.
14:20:55 <matt> -> http://www.opengeospatial.org/event/11093dim 3D Summit page
14:21:17 <matt> matt: We should probably follow their agenda building and see if we should attend.
14:21:45 <matt> rsingh2: There's the context work that is similar to what we're doing, building on Atom.
14:22:01 <matt> s/context work/Context SWG/
14:22:09 <matt> karls: Can we get someone from that group to present to us?
14:22:14 <matt> rsingh2: That's a better idea.
14:22:24 <matt> ACTION: Raj to find someone from Context SWG to present to POI
14:22:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Find someone from Context SWG to present to POI [on Raj Singh - due 2011-08-11].
14:22:31 <cperey> thank you for showing us the OGC meeting agenda, Raj, looks like a busy week!
14:23:11 <cperey> for those who arrive early, I will be there
14:23:12 <rsingh2> http://2011.foss4g.org/
14:23:30 <cperey> is that the Open Street Map?
14:23:32 <matt> matt: The week before is the FOSS4G meeting, open source geo stuff.
14:23:44 <matt> rsingh2: There will be about 800 geo fanatics around Denver the week before.
14:24:04 <matt> matt: Any other missing details for the F2F?
14:24:34 <matt> rsingh2: There's also the State of the Map, OSM conference.
14:24:39 <rsingh2> http://stateofthemap.org/
14:24:50 <matt> rsingh2: It is September 9-11 in Denver.
14:25:15 <matt> Topic: Next Draft
14:25:31 <matt> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/documents/Core/core-20110804.html latest draft
14:26:05 <matt> -> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/documents/Core/core-20110804.html#CRS CRS stuff
14:28:35 <matt> matt: I tried to introduce the CRS stuff a bit easier, and then refer back to that section within each primitive.
14:28:49 <matt> karls: We dropped center, but have navigation point and point.
14:30:06 <matt> matt: What's the difference between CRS and SRS?
14:30:13 <matt> rsingh2: I can't remember exactly.
14:30:31 <robman> that's spatial vs coordinate no?
14:30:31 <matt> rsingh2: Always use CRS, but for some reason the parameter is always called srsName.
14:31:19 <matt> rsingh2: SRS doesn't include some important concept, I can't remember which.
14:31:28 <matt> matt: What's the S stand for?  spatial?  spherical?
14:31:32 <matt> rsingh2: Spatial.
14:31:45 <matt> matt: Would it be okay to use CRS consistently?
14:32:07 <matt> ACTION: matt to make srsName into crs
14:32:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Make srsName into crs [on Matt Womer - due 2011-08-11].
14:32:48 <matt> matt: Will URNs always be used or should it be http URIs?
14:32:52 <matt> rsingh2: That's OGC policy now
14:33:33 <matt> -> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/geopriv/current/msg00941.html URN thread in Geopriv
14:34:44 <matt> -> http://geoserver.org/display/GEOS/Unambiguous+Communication+of+CRS
14:36:35 <matt> matt: And then I was confused about the CRS sub-element stuff.
14:37:07 <matt> matt: I suspected that the "geometry element" mention was meant to mean within a location primitive?
14:37:38 <matt> rsingh2: I think it means everything.
14:38:07 <matt> matt: Does that mean you can't do <pois> and have it default, and then you specify a location with a crs that you can't do that?
14:38:14 <matt> rsingh2: Interesting.  I don't know.
14:38:55 <matt> matt: I could see people mixing within a POI, e.g. to have an envelop in 2d but a point in 3d.
14:39:04 <matt> rsingh2: A clean way to do this would be to not allow the specification at the top level.
14:39:17 <matt> rsingh2: Only specifying it at the top level isn't really clear either
14:39:52 <matt> rsingh2: If you're not just doing latitude and longitude, it's an edge case, and you should specify it at the POI level.
14:40:17 <matt> rsingh2: So, if you're just doing lat/lng you don't have to do anything, but each POI would have to specify the CRS if not lat/lng.
14:40:31 <matt> rsingh2: The only case I can see that being annoying for is for 3d coordinates.
14:41:00 <matt> matt: I can see people frequently wanting a 3d point.
14:41:07 <matt> rsingh2: How about no default at POIs level.
14:41:21 <jens> that would be very verbose
14:41:25 <matt> matt: So it's only at the POI level?
14:41:33 <matt> rsingh2: For collections in 3d they'd have to write it for every POI.
14:41:43 <robman> +1 to that being too verbose
14:41:45 <Ronald> a bit too verbose indeed
14:42:38 <matt> matt: I can see a use case of a 3d point, but maybe a 2d poly.
14:42:53 <matt> rsingh2: So, make it so that within a location object having only one CRS.
14:45:20 <matt> karls: Relationship is a primitive?
14:45:29 <matt> matt: No, it's a bug.  Moved back to being a locationship type.
14:45:45 <matt> karls: Labels for terms, link for membership, category for type of description and relationships for spatial.
14:45:54 <matt> karls: So, hours of operation would be a link relationship?
14:46:02 <robman> links sound good to me 8)
14:47:02 <matt> ACTION: matt to work out example on representing hours using link and Good Relations.
14:47:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Work out example on representing hours using link and Good Relations. [on Matt Womer - due 2011-08-11].
14:47:16 <karls> be right back, boss calling
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14:48:34 <matt> ACTION: matt to remove whitespace/serialization from data model before publication
14:48:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Remove whitespace/serialization from data model before publication [on Matt Womer - due 2011-08-11].
14:49:11 <matt> ISSUE-43?
14:49:11 <trackbot> ISSUE-43 -- Do we want polygons to have complex topology with holes, etc -- raised
14:49:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2010/POI/track/issues/43
14:49:54 <cperey> sorry, had to drop off
14:50:22 <cperey> bye bye!
14:52:01 <matt> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-poiwg/2011Aug/0002 Rob's proposal
14:52:08 <matt> matt: I'd say, let's raise an issue and talk about it next week.
14:52:20 <matt> robman: I think it makes profiles easier, but doesn't have to go now that we're close.
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14:52:40 <karls> am back
14:53:20 <matt> matt: So, I'd like to update the XML syntax over the next two days, then publish on Tuesday.  Sound good?
14:53:23 <matt> [[yes]
14:54:47 <matt> matt: I'll also update label and link.
14:55:19 <matt> karls: I've got some folks geared up to write examples. I told them to pause for a bit, and talked to them last night.  They're re-engineering their spec, and I'd love for them to comply.
14:55:39 <matt> karls: I'm trying to contemplate on when to pull the trigger on getting them to do this.
14:55:48 <robman> +1 to test implementations/usage
14:55:51 <matt> matt: I would say have them do it Tuesday.
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14:56:37 <matt> zakim, drop me
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15:35:05 <Zakim> Attendees were Matt, +1.312.894.aaaa, Christine, robman, Ronald, +1.617.642.aabb, Raj, +1.312.894.aacc
15:35:27 <matt> Present: Ronald, Karl, Raj, Christine, Jens, Matt
15:35:29 <matt> Chair: Matt
15:35:31 <matt> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:35:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/08/04-poiwg-minutes.html matt
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