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15:01:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
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15:01:29 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
15:01:30 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:01:30 <trackbot> Date: 21 July 2011
15:01:35 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM scheduled to start now
15:01:43 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
15:01:53 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:03:45 <MichaelC> zakim, this is 2119
15:03:50 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike
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15:04:12 <MichaelC> once again zakim craps out for this call
15:04:17 <MichaelC> zakim, drop mike
15:04:28 <Zakim> ok, MichaelC; that matches WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
15:04:32 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:04:33 <MichaelC> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:04:33 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
15:04:34 <Zakim> +Mike
15:04:37 <Zakim> +??P1
15:04:48 <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
15:04:50 <Zakim> -Mike
15:04:54 <MikeSmith> Zakim, drop Mike
15:05:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rich, JF, ??P46, Michael_Cooper, ??P1
15:05:04 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
15:05:04 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:05:06 <Zakim> +Mike
15:05:24 <Zakim> Mike is being disconnected
15:05:30 <Zakim> -Mike
15:05:35 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:05:39 <Zakim> +Mike
15:05:40 <MikeSmith> I seem to be having audio problems and may need to restart my PC
15:05:45 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P46 is Rich_Schwerdtfeger
15:05:57 <MichaelC> zakim, ??P1 is Janina_Sajka
15:05:58 <Zakim> +Rich_Schwerdtfeger; got it
15:06:00 <Zakim> -Mike
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15:06:14 <Zakim> +Janina_Sajka; got it
15:06:26 <MichaelC> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2011Jul/0117.html
15:06:36 <MichaelC> regrets: Laura_Carlson, Joshue_O'Connor
15:07:24 <MichaelC> chair: Mike_Smith
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15:09:04 <janina> zakim, who's here?
15:09:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Rich, JF, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Michael_Cooper, Janina_Sajka
15:09:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see MikeSmith, Joshue, Zakim, RRSAgent, JF, richardschwerdtfe, judy, davidb, MichaelC, janina, trackbot, [tm]
15:09:17 <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog
15:09:17 <Zakim> ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
15:09:19 <Zakim> +Mike
15:10:05 <MikeSmith> q?
15:10:48 <JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Spec_Review
15:11:06 <Zakim> +Cynthia_Shelly
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15:12:28 <MikeSmith> scribe: MikeSmith 
15:12:36 <MikeSmith> Topic: LC review status
15:13:31 <MikeSmith> richardschwerdtfe: there are some issues with the Editing section
15:13:42 <MikeSmith> … will be sending some comments on those
15:13:57 <MikeSmith> richardschwerdtfe: been talking with Janina and will be getting some other IBM people to review 
15:15:05 <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: richardschwerdtfe, would be great if you could update the row for the Editing section in http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Spec_Review
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15:15:13 <Joshue> For the record, I have finished my review assignments. I may have some bandwidth to look at some other aspects of the spec - if anyone wants some help please ping me.
15:15:22 <MikeSmith> JF: I need to look at document metadata
15:15:35 <MikeSmith> … and have signed up for a review for the Obsolete features
15:16:00 <MikeSmith> JF: btw, Chaals was not aware he had been given assignments
15:16:14 <MikeSmith> … and nobody has yet asked Chaals to review
15:16:24 <MikeSmith> … though he is willing to do the review
15:16:43 <MikeSmith> … so should e-mail him to let him know
15:17:00 <MikeSmith> janina: I may have missed him in the batch of mail I sent
15:17:16 <MikeSmith> JF: … or Chaals may have missed your message
15:17:29 <Zakim> +??P34
15:17:29 <MikeSmith> JF: but he will get it processed if you (re)mail him
15:17:42 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, ??P34 is me
15:17:42 <Zakim> +Marco_Ranon; got it
15:17:47 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, mute me
15:17:47 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should now be muted
15:19:19 <MikeSmith> janina: got a message from Greg Lowny, he found that when he followed some links from the TR WD, it took him to the ED
15:23:57 <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: can't reproduce that
15:24:13 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:24:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:24:31 <MikeSmith> janina: about the other part of his question, will ask that on the HTML WG today
15:25:19 <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: any suggestions about what we could ask Joshue to look at
15:25:59 <MikeSmith> Cynthia: did we schedule a long call?
15:26:03 <MikeSmith> janina: not yet
15:26:15 <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: we should do that on this call today
15:28:43 <MikeSmith> Cynthia: could use some help with the ones that I been planning on getting Microsoft review for
15:29:51 <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: those are: Structure, Syntax, SVG, Scripting, MathML
15:30:50 <MikeSmith> Joshue, can you agree to reviewing the Scripting sections?
15:31:23 <MikeSmith> as well as any of those other ones?
15:31:28 <Joshue> No worries Mike
15:31:36 <MikeSmith> Joshue, thanks
15:31:51 <MikeSmith> Cynthia: What about Charles Pritchard?
15:31:52 <Joshue> I'll take scripting, may need some help with that as I'm not a big script monkey
15:32:21 <MikeSmith> JF: Charles is busy with canvas
15:32:28 <Marco_Ranon> It's Lynn Holdsworth for scriptin. She can't be on the call today.
15:33:44 <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: would be good to get some more eyes on that Scripting section
15:34:10 <MikeSmith> [discussing possible people]
15:34:20 <MikeSmith> janina: I will ask David Bolter and Chaals
15:34:25 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:34:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:35:42 <MikeSmith> Topic: scheduling long call for LC review
15:35:52 <MikeSmith> MichaelC: we only had 8 people respond
15:39:40 <LJW> 6
15:40:09 <MikeSmith> MichaelC: 11am Boston to 3pm Boston time on July 28
15:41:16 <MikeSmith> Topic: Subteam updates
15:41:53 <MikeSmith> richardschwerdtfe: for canvas subteam, news is that we have a patch for Webkit, some movement from Mozilla
15:42:32 <MikeSmith> … will write a change proposal, also start working on writing up refinement of previous spec
15:42:49 <MikeSmith> JF: for media subteam, we have some issues that are kind of dangling
15:43:14 <MikeSmith> … about hierarchical navigation
15:43:23 <MikeSmith> janina: we are waiting for implementations to play with on that
15:43:52 <MikeSmith> JF: another case is what to do when your descriptive audio is longer than the alloteed time
15:44:01 <MikeSmith> … how to control the timeline
15:44:14 <MikeSmith> … comes down to, we have to pause the video to get everything synched
15:44:22 <MikeSmith> … I think we are on the same page for that
15:44:34 <MikeSmith> JF: other outstanding issue is poster als
15:44:38 <MikeSmith> s/als/alt/
15:44:50 <MikeSmith> JF: I have a formal objection on that
15:45:11 <MikeSmith> JF: Silvia believes aria-describedby is a solution for this
15:45:49 <MikeSmith> JF: I don't think we are going to see the browsers will come up with a mechanism that takes that non-visible content and make it visible
15:46:03 <MikeSmith> JF: this is related to other alternative-text stuff
15:46:19 <MikeSmith> janina: in that instance, we are also waiting for a proof of concept
15:46:45 <MikeSmith> … from the requirements side, we have made it clear that we need for the markup to be preserved
15:46:59 <MikeSmith> janina: so we are in a holding pattern on that
15:47:48 <MikeSmith> JF: we did have a bit of breakthrough in that Sylvia agrees that we need two textual descriptions
15:48:18 <MikeSmith> janina: for the text subteam, we met this week and we asked people to focus on LC review
15:49:02 <MikeSmith> janina: we met with Paul a week ago, and agreed that yes indeed the priority is bugs for August 3rd
15:49:24 <MikeSmith> … JF has writing up a detailed response for Jonas on longdesc
15:49:46 <MikeSmith> … trying to make a sort of standard, well-formed response to some questions that keep coming up
15:50:13 <MikeSmith> … for lack of better term, position papers
15:50:21 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:50:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
15:50:38 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, unmute me
15:50:38 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should no longer be muted
15:50:45 <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: bug triage subteam?
15:51:04 <MikeSmith> janina: I need to talk with LJW about that
15:51:48 <MikeSmith> janina: LJW, wanted to know if you would be wiling to be the facilitator for the bug-triage subteam
15:52:03 <MikeSmith> LJW: maybe we could talk more about it offline
15:52:23 <MikeSmith> janina: [gives a description of the duties involved]
15:53:03 <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: so next step is to have an offline discussion with LJW about it
15:53:17 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, mute me
15:53:17 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should now be muted
15:53:59 <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: what about ARIA Mappings subteam
15:54:15 <MikeSmith> Cynthia: Steve has not been available at our regular time, is away on vacation
15:54:28 <MikeSmith> … we have also been working on the ARIA implementation guide
15:54:55 <MikeSmith> … has been sitting on the back burner for longer than I'd like, will get with Steve about it when he gets back
15:56:11 <MikeSmith> Topic: Scribe volunteers for next week's call
15:56:35 <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: we have Marco_Ranon, JF, Cynthia, MichaelC 
15:56:50 <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: any other business?
15:57:03 <Marco_Ranon> zakim, unmute me
15:57:03 <Zakim> Marco_Ranon should no longer be muted
15:57:06 <Zakim> -Cynthia_Shelly
15:57:06 <MikeSmith> adjourned
15:57:07 <Zakim> -Janina_Sajka
15:57:08 <Zakim> -JF
15:57:11 <Zakim> -Michael_Cooper
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16:05:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Rich, in WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM
16:05:03 <Zakim> WAI_PFWG(HTML TF)11:00AM has ended
16:05:05 <Zakim> Attendees were Rich, JF, Mike, Michael_Cooper, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Janina_Sajka, Cynthia_Shelly, Marco_Ranon
16:05:16 <MikeSmith> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:05:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/21-html-a11y-minutes.html MikeSmith
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