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16:01:03 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start now
16:01:04 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:01:04 <trackbot> Date: 19 July 2011
16:01:12 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
16:01:14 <mhausenblas> Agenda:
16:01:22 <juansequeda> I'll be on IRC for now. I'll try to dial in a bit
16:01:48 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0111.html
16:02:04 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:02:04 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has not yet started, mhausenblas
16:02:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, juansequeda, cygri, boris, dmcneil, mhausenblas, privera, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, ericP, trackbot
16:02:18 <mhausenblas> scribenick: dmcneil 
16:02:27 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:02:27 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has not yet started, mhausenblas
16:02:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, juansequeda, cygri, boris, dmcneil, mhausenblas, privera, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, ericP, trackbot
16:02:41 <mhausenblas> Zakim, this is SW_RDB2RDF
16:02:41 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; that matches SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM
16:02:45 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:02:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.314.394.aaaa, +3539149aabb, OpenLink_Software
16:02:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, juansequeda, cygri, boris, dmcneil, mhausenblas, privera, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, ericP, trackbot
16:02:52 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
16:02:52 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
16:02:53 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aabb is me
16:02:54 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
16:02:56 <Zakim> +??P17
16:03:07 <MacTed> Zakim, mute ??P17
16:03:07 <Zakim> ??P17 should now be muted
16:03:21 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is dmcneil 
16:03:21 <Zakim> +dmcneil; got it
16:03:25 <mhausenblas> present+ David
16:03:28 <privera> Zakim, ??p17 is privera
16:03:28 <Zakim> +privera; got it
16:03:37 <mhausenblas> present+ Ted
16:03:42 <mhausenblas> present+ Michael
16:03:47 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:03:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see dmcneil, mhausenblas, MacTed, privera (muted)
16:03:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, juansequeda, cygri, boris, dmcneil, mhausenblas, privera, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, ericP, trackbot
16:03:54 <mhausenblas> present+ Percy
16:04:12 <mhausenblas> Zakim, boris is with me
16:04:12 <Zakim> +boris; got it
16:04:17 <nunolopes> nunolopes has joined #RDB2RDF
16:04:26 <mhausenblas> Zakim, nunolopes is with me
16:04:26 <Zakim> +nunolopes; got it
16:04:35 <cygri> zakim, everyone is with mhausenblas
16:04:35 <Zakim> +everyone; got it
16:04:40 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri is with me
16:04:40 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
16:04:45 <mhausenblas> present+ Nuno
16:04:50 <mhausenblas> present+ Richard
16:04:55 <mhausenblas> present+ Boris
16:05:00 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who' s here?
16:05:00 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, mhausenblas.
16:05:03 <ericP> Zakim, please dail ericP-office
16:05:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'please dail ericP-office', ericP
16:05:07 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
16:05:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see dmcneil, mhausenblas, MacTed, privera (muted)
16:05:08 <Zakim> mhausenblas has mhausenblas, boris, nunolopes, everyone, cygri
16:05:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see nunolopes, Zakim, RRSAgent, juansequeda, cygri, boris, dmcneil, mhausenblas, privera, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, ericP, trackbot
16:05:10 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
16:05:10 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
16:05:12 <Zakim> +EricP
16:05:20 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:05:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:05:27 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:06:07 <mhausenblas> present+ Eric
16:06:31 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Soeren
16:06:40 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Marcelo
16:06:49 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Seema
16:07:01 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
16:07:01 <Zakim> MacTed was not muted, MacTed
16:08:11 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Souri
16:08:49 <dmcneil> topic: admin
16:08:51 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meetinghttp://www.w3.org/2011/07/12-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
16:09:03 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/07/12-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
16:09:12 <MacTed> +1
16:09:25 <dmcneil> resolution: working group accepts minutes of last meeting
16:09:46 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:09:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:09:55 <dmcneil> RESOLVED: accept the minutes of last meeting
16:10:08 <cygri> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:10:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html cygri
16:11:00 <dmcneil> michael: trying to work the pipeline of issues
16:11:57 <dmcneil> trying to get all issues done by Sept 1
16:12:06 <dmcneil> TOPIC: Issue of the day
16:12:26 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-34?
16:12:26 <trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- R2RML terminology: addressing vendor-specific names like "owner" -- open
16:12:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/34
16:12:48 <mhausenblas> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0077.html 
16:13:46 <ericP> 2011-07-19T16:12:19Z  * cygri catch of the day is cod
16:13:50 <dmcneil> has michael been drinking?
16:14:38 <dmcneil> michael: have only seen +1s to Richards proposal
16:14:43 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: To resolve ISSUE-34, drop rr:tableOwner, and instead state that rr:tableName MAY be qualified to include a schema name and a catalog name
16:14:44 <ericP> +1
16:14:49 <cygri> +1
16:14:50 <nunolopes> +1
16:14:52 <boris> +1
16:14:53 <dmcneil> +1
16:15:21 <dmcneil> RESOLVED: To resolve ISSUE-34, drop rr:tableOwner, and instead state that rr:tableName MAY be qualified to include a schema name and a catalog name
16:15:21 <MacTed> +1
16:15:39 <dmcneil> TOPIC: Open Issues
16:15:45 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-2?
16:15:45 <trackbot> ISSUE-2 -- R2RML serializations -- pending review
16:15:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/2
16:16:02 <mhausenblas> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jun/0165.html
16:16:44 <dmcneil> cygri: updated to doc to say what he thought the resolution was
16:17:07 <cygri> A conforming R2RML processor must accept R2RML mapping documents in Turtle syntax. It may accept R2RML mapping graphs encoded in other RDF syntaxes.
16:18:09 <dmcneil> cygri: believes the resolution has been addressed
16:18:23 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: to go with the text  'A conforming R2RML processor must accept R2RML mapping documents in Turtle syntax. It may accept R2RML mapping graphs encoded in other RDF syntaxes.' for ISSUE-2
16:18:33 <cygri> +1
16:18:51 <MacTed> +1
16:18:53 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/#syntax
16:18:59 <nunolopes> +1
16:18:59 <boris> +1
16:19:10 <privera> +1
16:19:47 <dmcneil> RESOLVED: to resolve ISSUE-2 with the text  'A conforming R2RML processor must accept R2RML mapping documents in Turtle syntax. It may accept R2RML mapping graphs encoded in other RDF syntaxes.' 
16:20:07 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-45?
16:20:07 <trackbot> ISSUE-45 -- IRIs instead of literals for rr:termType choices -- raised
16:20:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/45
16:20:22 <mhausenblas> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jun/0111.html
16:20:29 <dmcneil> michael: souri has an action to propose IRIs
16:20:35 <cygri> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0070.html
16:21:15 <cygri> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-45 by replacing literals for rr:termTypes with three new IRIs rr:IRI, rr:BlankNode, and rr:Literal
16:21:28 <dmcneil> +1
16:21:54 <nunolopes> +1
16:21:57 <boris> +1
16:22:03 <MacTed> +1
16:22:17 <dmcneil> RESOLVED: Resolve ISSUE-45 by replacing literals for rr:termTypes with three new IRIs rr:IRI, rr:BlankNode, and rr:Literal
16:22:49 <dmcneil> michael: someone will need to take an action to do this
16:23:04 <dmcneil> cygri: once the minutes are up we can go through them and find the actions
16:23:15 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-47?
16:23:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-47 -- What happens when rr:column, rr:template etc produce invalid IRIs? -- raised
16:23:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/47
16:23:22 <cygri> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-47 by adopting Richard's proposal from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0084.html with David's amendments from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0097.html
16:23:33 <mhausenblas> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0002.html
16:23:39 <dmcneil> +1
16:24:20 <dmcneil> cygri: the proposal linked above is a compromise taking into account the various perspectives
16:25:01 <dmcneil> cygri: it would take a while to discuss the details now, but the links above have the proposed text for the spec
16:25:09 <dmcneil> michael: we could mark it as pending review
16:25:46 <MacTed> +1 with explicit text marked pending review
16:26:40 <dmcneil> michael: we could resolve the issue, but not close it, rather mark it as pending review
16:27:10 <cygri> PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-47 by adopting Richard's proposal from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0084.html with David's amendments from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0097.html ; editors will mark issue as pending review when changes are done
16:27:26 <nunolopes> +1
16:27:28 <boris> +1
16:27:36 <dmcneil> RESOLVED: Resolve ISSUE-47 by adopting Richard's proposal from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0084.html with David's amendments from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0097.html ; editors will mark issue as pending review when changes are done
16:27:55 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-48?
16:27:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-48 -- Mapping SQL datatypes to RDF -- raised
16:27:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/48
16:28:08 <mhausenblas> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0010.html
16:28:47 <dmcneil> michael: we need an action on this
16:29:12 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:29:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:29:25 <dmcneil> cygri: this requires a bit of work to look at the different materials, ODBC data types, JDBC data types, SQL 2008 mapping to XSD data types
16:29:40 <dmcneil> someone needs to go through that and propose how to do it
16:29:47 <dmcneil> +q
16:30:07 <dmcneil> cygri: this seems like one of the main pieces of work left to do
16:31:21 <dmcneil> -q
16:32:54 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Nuno to create a SQL/XSD data dataype mapping in the Wiki until next week
16:32:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-141 - Create a SQL/XSD data dataype mapping in the Wiki until next week [on Nuno Lopes - due 2011-07-26].
16:33:54 <dmcneil> ericP: do we want to discuss the mapping from SQL to XML data types?
16:34:22 <dmcneil> nunolopes: that would be the place to start
16:35:01 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-22?
16:35:01 <trackbot> ISSUE-22 -- Support for database vendor specific SQL statements. -- pending review
16:35:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/22
16:35:13 <cygri> PROPOSAL: ISSUE-22 is resolved by the changes in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0007.html
16:35:37 <dmcneil> michael: richard can you give us some background?
16:35:55 <dmcneil> cygri: there is no issue, followed the resolution and marked it as pending review
16:36:42 <dmcneil> michael: working group members had time to review it so we can close it
16:40:08 <MacTed> ericP - /msg me the URI, and I'll see if it's deletable...
16:40:09 <dmcneil> I closed ISSUE-22
16:40:46 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-29?
16:40:46 <trackbot> ISSUE-29 -- Require blank node and IRI identifier expressions to produce strings -- open
16:40:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/29
16:41:09 <mhausenblas> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0006.html
16:41:35 <dmcneil> cygri: there was a resolution, but in light of further work, the problem is bigger than expected
16:41:50 <dmcneil> so it might be good to handle this differently than it was originally resolved
16:41:59 <dmcneil> by specifying that non-strings are cast to strings
16:42:08 <cygri> PROPOSAL: Undo the previous resolution on ISSUE-29, and resolve the issue by stating that conversion to string is done implicitly in any context where a string value is required, and is done according to the rules for SQL's CAST expression. Columns whose type cannot be CAST to string MUST NOT be used in a context that requires a string.
16:42:28 <dmcneil> +1
16:42:41 <MacTed> +1
16:42:44 <boris> +1
16:43:16 <dmcneil> RESOLVED: Undo the previous resolution on ISSUE-29, and resolve the issue by stating that conversion to string is done implicitly in any context where a string value is required, and is done according to the rules for SQL's CAST expression. Columns whose type cannot be CAST to string MUST NOT be used in a context that requires a string.; and mark the issue as pending review
16:43:40 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-37?
16:43:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- Allow specifying DB connection details in the R2RML mapping -- open
16:43:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/37
16:44:06 <dmcneil> I think there was widespread support for postponing this
16:44:10 <dmcneil> beyond 1.0
16:44:13 <cygri> PROPOSAL: Mark ISSUE-37 as POSTPONED
16:45:15 <dmcneil> PROPOSAL: Resolve not to address ISSUE-37 in the initial version of R2RML
16:47:44 <dmcneil> discussion of whether POSTPONED means to be resolved later under this working group charter, or later under a different working group charter
16:49:06 <mhausenblas> ACTION: hausenb to write mail to WG about semantics of POSTPONED
16:49:06 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - hausenb
16:49:09 <dmcneil> cygri: perhaps the chairs could email the group defining what POSTPONED means for us
16:49:20 <mhausenblas> ACTION: mhausenb to write mail to WG about semantics of POSTPONED
16:49:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-142 - Write mail to WG about semantics of POSTPONED [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2011-07-26].
16:50:20 <ericP> +1
16:50:28 <cygri> +1
16:50:32 <boris> +1
16:50:40 <privera> +1
16:50:47 <dmcneil> RESOLVED: Mark ISSUE-37 as POSTPONED
16:51:34 <dmcneil> TOPIC: Raised Issues
16:51:44 <dmcneil> I marked ISSUE-37 as POSTPONED
16:51:47 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-43?
16:51:47 <trackbot> ISSUE-43 -- Re-using public entity identifiers -- raised
16:51:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/43
16:52:29 <dmcneil> personally I think this should be POSTPONED,not sure if we can do that under our charter
16:52:36 <cygri> PROPOSAL: open it
16:53:27 <dmcneil> +1
16:54:09 <dmcneil> I think R2RML itself "allow for a mechanism to create identifiers for database entities"
16:54:31 <dmcneil> discussion of whether RAISED issues need to be OPENED
16:54:55 <cygri> PROPOSAL: we OPEN all RAISED issues
16:55:02 <dmcneil> -1
16:55:59 <dmcneil> then I change to +1
16:56:32 <cygri> PROPOSAL: we OPEN all currently RAISED issues
16:56:39 <dmcneil> +1
16:56:44 <boris> +1
16:56:45 <MacTed> +1
16:56:45 <nunolopes> +1
16:56:56 <dmcneil> RESOLVED: we OPEN all currently RAISED issues
16:57:07 <ericP> i assume that means that all of http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/raised are now open
16:57:22 <mhausenblas> yes
16:57:27 <mhausenblas> Topic: AOB
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16:58:38 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: make the issue tracker read-only open to the world
16:58:43 <cygri> +1
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16:59:03 <ericP> for the record, we are opening issues 43 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56
16:59:23 <dmcneil> I OPENED all of the RAISED issues
16:59:54 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Eric to make RDB2RDF WG Issue tracker read-only open to the world
16:59:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-143 - Make RDB2RDF WG Issue tracker read-only open to the world [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2011-07-26].
17:00:09 <ericP> yeah, i just wanted to make sure we knew which ones they were in case we wanted to see why we opened something
17:00:20 <cygri> thanks all!
17:00:28 <mhausenblas> [meeting adjourned]
17:00:28 <Zakim> -dmcneil
17:00:29 <Zakim> -MacTed
17:00:37 <Zakim> -privera
17:00:40 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:00:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:00:53 <privera> privera has left #RDB2RDF
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17:15:20 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
17:15:31 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
17:15:31 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
17:15:31 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.314.394.aaaa, +3539149aabb, MacTed, mhausenblas, dmcneil, privera, boris, nunolopes, everyone, cygri, EricP
17:15:32 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:15:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
17:15:33 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
17:15:33 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
17:15:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Nuno to create a SQL/XSD data dataype mapping in the Wiki until next week [1]
17:15:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-32-54
17:15:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: hausenb to write mail to WG about semantics of POSTPONED [2]
17:15:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-49-06
17:15:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: mhausenb to write mail to WG about semantics of POSTPONED [3]
17:15:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-49-20
17:15:33 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Eric to make RDB2RDF WG Issue tracker read-only open to the world [4]
17:15:33 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-59-54