IRC log of rdb2rdf on 2011-07-19

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RRSAgent, make logs world
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Zakim, this will be 7322733
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ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start now
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Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 19 July 2011
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Chair: Michael
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Agenda:
16:01:22 [juansequeda]
I'll be on IRC for now. I'll try to dial in a bit
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0111.html
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Zakim, who's here?
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SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has not yet started, mhausenblas
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, juansequeda, cygri, boris, dmcneil, mhausenblas, privera, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, ericP, trackbot
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scribenick: dmcneil
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Zakim, who's here?
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SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has not yet started, mhausenblas
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, juansequeda, cygri, boris, dmcneil, mhausenblas, privera, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, ericP, trackbot
16:02:41 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, this is SW_RDB2RDF
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ok, mhausenblas; that matches SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM
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Zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see +1.314.394.aaaa, +3539149aabb, OpenLink_Software
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, juansequeda, cygri, boris, dmcneil, mhausenblas, privera, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, ericP, trackbot
16:02:52 [MacTed]
Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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+MacTed; got it
16:02:53 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, aabb is me
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+mhausenblas; got it
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+??P17
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Zakim, mute ??P17
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??P17 should now be muted
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Zakim, aaaa is dmcneil
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+dmcneil; got it
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present+ David
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Zakim, ??p17 is privera
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+privera; got it
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present+ Ted
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present+ Michael
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Zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see dmcneil, mhausenblas, MacTed, privera (muted)
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, juansequeda, cygri, boris, dmcneil, mhausenblas, privera, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, ericP, trackbot
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present+ Percy
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Zakim, boris is with me
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+boris; got it
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Zakim, nunolopes is with me
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+nunolopes; got it
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zakim, everyone is with mhausenblas
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+everyone; got it
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Zakim, cygri is with me
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+cygri; got it
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present+ Nuno
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present+ Richard
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present+ Boris
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Zakim, who' s here?
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I don't understand your question, mhausenblas.
16:05:03 [ericP]
Zakim, please dail ericP-office
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I don't understand 'please dail ericP-office', ericP
16:05:07 [mhausenblas]
Zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see dmcneil, mhausenblas, MacTed, privera (muted)
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mhausenblas has mhausenblas, boris, nunolopes, everyone, cygri
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On IRC I see nunolopes, Zakim, RRSAgent, juansequeda, cygri, boris, dmcneil, mhausenblas, privera, MacTed, betehess, iv_an_ru, ericP, trackbot
16:05:10 [ericP]
Zakim, please dial ericP-office
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ok, ericP; the call is being made
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+EricP
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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present+ Eric
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regrets+ Soeren
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regrets+ Marcelo
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regrets+ Seema
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Zakim, unmute me
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MacTed was not muted, MacTed
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regrets+ Souri
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topic: admin
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PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meetinghttp://www.w3.org/2011/07/12-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
16:09:03 [mhausenblas]
PROPOSAL: Accept the minutes of last meeting http://www.w3.org/2011/07/12-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
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+1
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resolution: working group accepts minutes of last meeting
16:09:46 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:09:55 [dmcneil]
RESOLVED: accept the minutes of last meeting
16:10:08 [cygri]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html cygri
16:11:00 [dmcneil]
michael: trying to work the pipeline of issues
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trying to get all issues done by Sept 1
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TOPIC: Issue of the day
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ISSUE-34?
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ISSUE-34 -- R2RML terminology: addressing vendor-specific names like "owner" -- open
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/34
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0077.html
16:13:46 [ericP]
2011-07-19T16:12:19Z * cygri catch of the day is cod
16:13:50 [dmcneil]
has michael been drinking?
16:14:38 [dmcneil]
michael: have only seen +1s to Richards proposal
16:14:43 [mhausenblas]
PROPOSAL: To resolve ISSUE-34, drop rr:tableOwner, and instead state that rr:tableName MAY be qualified to include a schema name and a catalog name
16:14:44 [ericP]
+1
16:14:49 [cygri]
+1
16:14:50 [nunolopes]
+1
16:14:52 [boris]
+1
16:14:53 [dmcneil]
+1
16:15:21 [dmcneil]
RESOLVED: To resolve ISSUE-34, drop rr:tableOwner, and instead state that rr:tableName MAY be qualified to include a schema name and a catalog name
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+1
16:15:39 [dmcneil]
TOPIC: Open Issues
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ISSUE-2?
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ISSUE-2 -- R2RML serializations -- pending review
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/2
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jun/0165.html
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cygri: updated to doc to say what he thought the resolution was
16:17:07 [cygri]
A conforming R2RML processor must accept R2RML mapping documents in Turtle syntax. It may accept R2RML mapping graphs encoded in other RDF syntaxes.
16:18:09 [dmcneil]
cygri: believes the resolution has been addressed
16:18:23 [mhausenblas]
PROPOSAL: to go with the text 'A conforming R2RML processor must accept R2RML mapping documents in Turtle syntax. It may accept R2RML mapping graphs encoded in other RDF syntaxes.' for ISSUE-2
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+1
16:18:51 [MacTed]
+1
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/r2rml/#syntax
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+1
16:18:59 [boris]
+1
16:19:10 [privera]
+1
16:19:47 [dmcneil]
RESOLVED: to resolve ISSUE-2 with the text 'A conforming R2RML processor must accept R2RML mapping documents in Turtle syntax. It may accept R2RML mapping graphs encoded in other RDF syntaxes.'
16:20:07 [mhausenblas]
ISSUE-45?
16:20:07 [trackbot]
ISSUE-45 -- IRIs instead of literals for rr:termType choices -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/45
16:20:22 [mhausenblas]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jun/0111.html
16:20:29 [dmcneil]
michael: souri has an action to propose IRIs
16:20:35 [cygri]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0070.html
16:21:15 [cygri]
PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-45 by replacing literals for rr:termTypes with three new IRIs rr:IRI, rr:BlankNode, and rr:Literal
16:21:28 [dmcneil]
+1
16:21:54 [nunolopes]
+1
16:21:57 [boris]
+1
16:22:03 [MacTed]
+1
16:22:17 [dmcneil]
RESOLVED: Resolve ISSUE-45 by replacing literals for rr:termTypes with three new IRIs rr:IRI, rr:BlankNode, and rr:Literal
16:22:49 [dmcneil]
michael: someone will need to take an action to do this
16:23:04 [dmcneil]
cygri: once the minutes are up we can go through them and find the actions
16:23:15 [mhausenblas]
ISSUE-47?
16:23:15 [trackbot]
ISSUE-47 -- What happens when rr:column, rr:template etc produce invalid IRIs? -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/47
16:23:22 [cygri]
PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-47 by adopting Richard's proposal from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0084.html with David's amendments from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0097.html
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0002.html
16:23:39 [dmcneil]
+1
16:24:20 [dmcneil]
cygri: the proposal linked above is a compromise taking into account the various perspectives
16:25:01 [dmcneil]
cygri: it would take a while to discuss the details now, but the links above have the proposed text for the spec
16:25:09 [dmcneil]
michael: we could mark it as pending review
16:25:46 [MacTed]
+1 with explicit text marked pending review
16:26:40 [dmcneil]
michael: we could resolve the issue, but not close it, rather mark it as pending review
16:27:10 [cygri]
PROPOSAL: Resolve ISSUE-47 by adopting Richard's proposal from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0084.html with David's amendments from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0097.html ; editors will mark issue as pending review when changes are done
16:27:26 [nunolopes]
+1
16:27:28 [boris]
+1
16:27:36 [dmcneil]
RESOLVED: Resolve ISSUE-47 by adopting Richard's proposal from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0084.html with David's amendments from http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0097.html ; editors will mark issue as pending review when changes are done
16:27:55 [mhausenblas]
ISSUE-48?
16:27:55 [trackbot]
ISSUE-48 -- Mapping SQL datatypes to RDF -- raised
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/48
16:28:08 [mhausenblas]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0010.html
16:28:47 [dmcneil]
michael: we need an action on this
16:29:12 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:29:25 [dmcneil]
cygri: this requires a bit of work to look at the different materials, ODBC data types, JDBC data types, SQL 2008 mapping to XSD data types
16:29:40 [dmcneil]
someone needs to go through that and propose how to do it
16:29:47 [dmcneil]
+q
16:30:07 [dmcneil]
cygri: this seems like one of the main pieces of work left to do
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-q
16:32:54 [mhausenblas]
ACTION: Nuno to create a SQL/XSD data dataype mapping in the Wiki until next week
16:32:54 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-141 - Create a SQL/XSD data dataype mapping in the Wiki until next week [on Nuno Lopes - due 2011-07-26].
16:33:54 [dmcneil]
ericP: do we want to discuss the mapping from SQL to XML data types?
16:34:22 [dmcneil]
nunolopes: that would be the place to start
16:35:01 [mhausenblas]
ISSUE-22?
16:35:01 [trackbot]
ISSUE-22 -- Support for database vendor specific SQL statements. -- pending review
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/22
16:35:13 [cygri]
PROPOSAL: ISSUE-22 is resolved by the changes in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0007.html
16:35:37 [dmcneil]
michael: richard can you give us some background?
16:35:55 [dmcneil]
cygri: there is no issue, followed the resolution and marked it as pending review
16:36:42 [dmcneil]
michael: working group members had time to review it so we can close it
16:40:08 [MacTed]
ericP - /msg me the URI, and I'll see if it's deletable...
16:40:09 [dmcneil]
I closed ISSUE-22
16:40:46 [mhausenblas]
ISSUE-29?
16:40:46 [trackbot]
ISSUE-29 -- Require blank node and IRI identifier expressions to produce strings -- open
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http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/29
16:41:09 [mhausenblas]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Jul/0006.html
16:41:35 [dmcneil]
cygri: there was a resolution, but in light of further work, the problem is bigger than expected
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so it might be good to handle this differently than it was originally resolved
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by specifying that non-strings are cast to strings
16:42:08 [cygri]
PROPOSAL: Undo the previous resolution on ISSUE-29, and resolve the issue by stating that conversion to string is done implicitly in any context where a string value is required, and is done according to the rules for SQL's CAST expression. Columns whose type cannot be CAST to string MUST NOT be used in a context that requires a string.
16:42:28 [dmcneil]
+1
16:42:41 [MacTed]
+1
16:42:44 [boris]
+1
16:43:16 [dmcneil]
RESOLVED: Undo the previous resolution on ISSUE-29, and resolve the issue by stating that conversion to string is done implicitly in any context where a string value is required, and is done according to the rules for SQL's CAST expression. Columns whose type cannot be CAST to string MUST NOT be used in a context that requires a string.; and mark the issue as pending review
16:43:40 [mhausenblas]
ISSUE-37?
16:43:40 [trackbot]
ISSUE-37 -- Allow specifying DB connection details in the R2RML mapping -- open
16:43:40 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/37
16:44:06 [dmcneil]
I think there was widespread support for postponing this
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beyond 1.0
16:44:13 [cygri]
PROPOSAL: Mark ISSUE-37 as POSTPONED
16:45:15 [dmcneil]
PROPOSAL: Resolve not to address ISSUE-37 in the initial version of R2RML
16:47:44 [dmcneil]
discussion of whether POSTPONED means to be resolved later under this working group charter, or later under a different working group charter
16:49:06 [mhausenblas]
ACTION: hausenb to write mail to WG about semantics of POSTPONED
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Sorry, couldn't find user - hausenb
16:49:09 [dmcneil]
cygri: perhaps the chairs could email the group defining what POSTPONED means for us
16:49:20 [mhausenblas]
ACTION: mhausenb to write mail to WG about semantics of POSTPONED
16:49:20 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-142 - Write mail to WG about semantics of POSTPONED [on Michael Hausenblas - due 2011-07-26].
16:50:20 [ericP]
+1
16:50:28 [cygri]
+1
16:50:32 [boris]
+1
16:50:40 [privera]
+1
16:50:47 [dmcneil]
RESOLVED: Mark ISSUE-37 as POSTPONED
16:51:34 [dmcneil]
TOPIC: Raised Issues
16:51:44 [dmcneil]
I marked ISSUE-37 as POSTPONED
16:51:47 [mhausenblas]
ISSUE-43?
16:51:47 [trackbot]
ISSUE-43 -- Re-using public entity identifiers -- raised
16:51:47 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/43
16:52:29 [dmcneil]
personally I think this should be POSTPONED,not sure if we can do that under our charter
16:52:36 [cygri]
PROPOSAL: open it
16:53:27 [dmcneil]
+1
16:54:09 [dmcneil]
I think R2RML itself "allow for a mechanism to create identifiers for database entities"
16:54:31 [dmcneil]
discussion of whether RAISED issues need to be OPENED
16:54:55 [cygri]
PROPOSAL: we OPEN all RAISED issues
16:55:02 [dmcneil]
-1
16:55:59 [dmcneil]
then I change to +1
16:56:32 [cygri]
PROPOSAL: we OPEN all currently RAISED issues
16:56:39 [dmcneil]
+1
16:56:44 [boris]
+1
16:56:45 [MacTed]
+1
16:56:45 [nunolopes]
+1
16:56:56 [dmcneil]
RESOLVED: we OPEN all currently RAISED issues
16:57:07 [ericP]
i assume that means that all of http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/raised are now open
16:57:22 [mhausenblas]
yes
16:57:27 [mhausenblas]
Topic: AOB
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PROPOSAL: make the issue tracker read-only open to the world
16:58:43 [cygri]
+1
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16:59:03 [ericP]
for the record, we are opening issues 43 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56
16:59:23 [dmcneil]
I OPENED all of the RAISED issues
16:59:54 [mhausenblas]
ACTION: Eric to make RDB2RDF WG Issue tracker read-only open to the world
16:59:54 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-143 - Make RDB2RDF WG Issue tracker read-only open to the world [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2011-07-26].
17:00:09 [ericP]
yeah, i just wanted to make sure we knew which ones they were in case we wanted to see why we opened something
17:00:20 [cygri]
thanks all!
17:00:28 [mhausenblas]
[meeting adjourned]
17:00:28 [Zakim]
-dmcneil
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-MacTed
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-privera
17:00:40 [mhausenblas]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
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-mhausenblas
17:15:31 [mhausenblas]
trackbot, end telecon
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Zakim, list attendees
17:15:31 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been +1.314.394.aaaa, +3539149aabb, MacTed, mhausenblas, dmcneil, privera, boris, nunolopes, everyone, cygri, EricP
17:15:32 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:15:32 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
17:15:33 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, bye
17:15:33 [RRSAgent]
I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
17:15:33 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Nuno to create a SQL/XSD data dataype mapping in the Wiki until next week [1]
17:15:33 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-32-54
17:15:33 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: hausenb to write mail to WG about semantics of POSTPONED [2]
17:15:33 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-49-06
17:15:33 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: mhausenb to write mail to WG about semantics of POSTPONED [3]
17:15:33 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-49-20
17:15:33 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Eric to make RDB2RDF WG Issue tracker read-only open to the world [4]
17:15:33 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/19-rdb2rdf-irc#T16-59-54