IRC log of er on 2011-07-13
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be 3794
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- ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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- Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 13 July 2011
- 12:27:30 [shadi]
- chair: shadi
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Jul/0002.html
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- agenda+ Welcome
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- agenda+ Continue processing comments
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- agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule
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- zakim, call shadi-617
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- ok, shadi; the call is being made
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- WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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- +Shadi
- 12:32:51 [carlosV]
- i come in two mins
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- +??P4
- 12:34:46 [shadi]
- zakim, ? is CarlosI
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- +CarlosI; got it
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- -CarlosI
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- +??P4
- 12:38:45 [shadi]
- zakim, ? is CarlosI
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- +CarlosI; got it
- 12:43:06 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0010.html
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- +??P5
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- zakim, ? is CarlosV
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- +CarlosV; got it
- 12:45:47 [shadi]
- scribe: shadi
- 12:46:03 [shadi]
- SAZ: potentially allows recurrsions and endless loops
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- ...one suggestion it to have main assertor be foaf:Group and sub assertors be foaf:Agent, and make these disjoint
- 12:49:03 [shadi]
- ...but there could be cases when there are sub-groups of groups (for instance tester team for an accessibility expert team)
- 12:50:55 [shadi]
- ...another suggestion is to add a conformance requirement which would be on a semantical level rather than on a syntactical level
- 12:51:14 [shadi]
- CV: could use foaf:Agent as the range
- 12:51:36 [shadi]
- SAZ: would only remove first-level loops but would still need a conformance requirement
- 12:55:19 [shadi]
- CV: MainAssertor class that has the mainAssertor property but is essentially the same as Assertor class
- 12:57:03 [shadi]
- CV: use isMainAssertorOf
- 12:58:37 [shadi]
- ...isMainAssertor only, as a "flag" to mark main assertors
- 13:00:41 [shadi]
- {A, B, C}; {A -> D, E}; {B -> F, G}
- 13:01:02 [shadi]
- {A, B, C}; {A -> D, E}; {B -> F}
- 13:01:34 [shadi]
- current approach: {A, B, C}; {A -> D, E}; {B -> F}
- 13:01:58 [shadi]
- sugestion: {A+, B+, C, D, E, F}
- 13:04:32 [carlosV]
- {A, B+, C}; {A -> D, E}; {B -> F}
- 13:05:10 [shadi]
- or: {A+, B+, C}; {A+, D, E}; {B+, F}
- 13:06:05 [carlosV]
- {A+, B+, C}; {A-> D, E}; {B->F}
- 13:07:21 [shadi]
- or: {A+, B+, C}; A={A", D, E}; B={B", F}
- 13:08:21 [shadi]
- or: {A+, B+, C}; A+={X, D, E}; B+={Y, F}
- 13:11:22 [shadi]
- CI: not in favor of flags; does not seem to be the semantic web approach
- 13:13:15 [shadi]
- action: shadi to send two options to the group by mail to seek more input
- 13:13:15 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-128 - Send two options to the group by mail to seek more input [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-07-20].
- 13:13:41 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0012.html
- 13:15:36 [shadi]
- SAZ: want more description and examples
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- ...can add more in the Schema and/or to the Guide
- 13:16:37 [shadi]
- CV: can add the descriptions that are in the tables into the main body
- 13:16:45 [shadi]
- ...but keep the Schema concise
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- CI: examples and additional background belong in the Guide
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- ...but the complete definition itself should be in the Schema
- 13:19:19 [shadi]
- RESOLUTION: add the descriptions from the appendecies and insert them into the main body, then review before publication whether the Schema sections provide sufficient definitions; and consider adding any additional explanations and background into the Guide
- 13:20:28 [shadi]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0013.html
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- -CarlosI
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- SAZ: so far sorting alphabetically
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- CV: keep alphabetically in the Schema but not necessarily in the Guide
- 13:23:29 [shadi]
- SAZ: think should be consistent
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- RESOLUTION: keep alphabetical for now, then revisit when the Guide is more complete to decide what sorting approach to take
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- trackbot, end meeting
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- Zakim, list attendees
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- As of this point the attendees have been Shadi, CarlosI, CarlosV
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/13-er-minutes.html trackbot
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/13-er-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: shadi to send two options to the group by mail to seek more input [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/13-er-irc#T13-13-15