IRC log of er on 2011-07-13

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Zakim, this will be 3794
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 13 July 2011
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chair: shadi
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2011Jul/0002.html
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agenda+ Welcome
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agenda+ Continue processing comments
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agenda+ Upcoming meeting schedule
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zakim, call shadi-617
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ok, shadi; the call is being made
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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+Shadi
12:32:51 [carlosV]
i come in two mins
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+??P4
12:34:46 [shadi]
zakim, ? is CarlosI
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+CarlosI; got it
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-CarlosI
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+??P4
12:38:45 [shadi]
zakim, ? is CarlosI
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+CarlosI; got it
12:43:06 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0010.html
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+??P5
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zakim, ? is CarlosV
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+CarlosV; got it
12:45:47 [shadi]
scribe: shadi
12:46:03 [shadi]
SAZ: potentially allows recurrsions and endless loops
12:47:50 [shadi]
...one suggestion it to have main assertor be foaf:Group and sub assertors be foaf:Agent, and make these disjoint
12:49:03 [shadi]
...but there could be cases when there are sub-groups of groups (for instance tester team for an accessibility expert team)
12:50:55 [shadi]
...another suggestion is to add a conformance requirement which would be on a semantical level rather than on a syntactical level
12:51:14 [shadi]
CV: could use foaf:Agent as the range
12:51:36 [shadi]
SAZ: would only remove first-level loops but would still need a conformance requirement
12:55:19 [shadi]
CV: MainAssertor class that has the mainAssertor property but is essentially the same as Assertor class
12:57:03 [shadi]
CV: use isMainAssertorOf
12:58:37 [shadi]
...isMainAssertor only, as a "flag" to mark main assertors
13:00:41 [shadi]
{A, B, C}; {A -> D, E}; {B -> F, G}
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{A, B, C}; {A -> D, E}; {B -> F}
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current approach: {A, B, C}; {A -> D, E}; {B -> F}
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sugestion: {A+, B+, C, D, E, F}
13:04:32 [carlosV]
{A, B+, C}; {A -> D, E}; {B -> F}
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or: {A+, B+, C}; {A+, D, E}; {B+, F}
13:06:05 [carlosV]
{A+, B+, C}; {A-> D, E}; {B->F}
13:07:21 [shadi]
or: {A+, B+, C}; A={A", D, E}; B={B", F}
13:08:21 [shadi]
or: {A+, B+, C}; A+={X, D, E}; B+={Y, F}
13:11:22 [shadi]
CI: not in favor of flags; does not seem to be the semantic web approach
13:13:15 [shadi]
action: shadi to send two options to the group by mail to seek more input
13:13:15 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-128 - Send two options to the group by mail to seek more input [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2011-07-20].
13:13:41 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0012.html
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SAZ: want more description and examples
13:15:51 [shadi]
...can add more in the Schema and/or to the Guide
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CV: can add the descriptions that are in the tables into the main body
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...but keep the Schema concise
13:17:11 [shadi]
CI: examples and additional background belong in the Guide
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...but the complete definition itself should be in the Schema
13:19:19 [shadi]
RESOLUTION: add the descriptions from the appendecies and insert them into the main body, then review before publication whether the Schema sections provide sufficient definitions; and consider adding any additional explanations and background into the Guide
13:20:28 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-earl10-comments/2011May/0013.html
13:20:44 [Zakim]
-CarlosI
13:22:55 [shadi]
SAZ: so far sorting alphabetically
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CV: keep alphabetically in the Schema but not necessarily in the Guide
13:23:29 [shadi]
SAZ: think should be consistent
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RESOLUTION: keep alphabetical for now, then revisit when the Guide is more complete to decide what sorting approach to take
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trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
13:24:40 [Zakim]
As of this point the attendees have been Shadi, CarlosI, CarlosV
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/13-er-minutes.html trackbot
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/07/13-er-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: shadi to send two options to the group by mail to seek more input [1]
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