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15:01:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WEBID
15:01:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM already started
15:01:07 <trackbot> Meeting: WebID Incubator Group Teleconference
15:01:07 <trackbot> Date: 11 July 2011
15:01:33 <MacTed> RRSAgent, generate minutes
15:01:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/11-webid-minutes.html MacTed
15:01:39 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:01:45 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:01:52 <Zakim> +bergi
15:01:53 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
15:01:53 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
15:01:55 <Deiu> Deiu has joined #WebID
15:02:05 <domel> Zakim, I am [IPcaller]
15:02:05 <Zakim> ok, domel, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
15:02:47 <Zakim> +??P2
15:02:48 <Deiu> Hello! Sorry for being late. I'm in a department meeting, keeping an eye on what's discussed here. (no audio too)
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15:02:58 <bblfish> Zakim, I am ??P2
15:02:58 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
15:03:12 <Deiu> Please scribe as much as you can. :-)
15:03:16 <bblfish> Zakim, who is here?
15:03:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see MacTed, [IPcaller], bergi, bblfish
15:03:48 <bblfish> zakim, agenda?
15:03:48 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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15:03:49 <Zakim> 8. "Spec improvements" [from bblfish]
15:03:56 <domel> Zakim, domel is IPcaller
15:03:56 <Zakim> sorry, domel, I do not recognize a party named 'domel'
15:04:01 <Zakim> +??P18
15:04:04 <domel> Zakim, domel is [IPcaller]
15:04:04 <Zakim> sorry, domel, I do not recognize a party named 'domel'
15:04:17 <bblfish> agenda drop 8
15:04:23 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:04:24 <gaedke> zakim, +??P18 is me.
15:04:25 <Zakim> sorry, gaedke, I do not recognize a party named '+??P18'
15:04:27 <bblfish> zakim, drip agenda 8
15:04:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'drip agenda 8', bblfish
15:04:29 <bblfish> agenda -8
15:04:39 <gaedke> zakim, P18 is me.
15:04:39 <Zakim> sorry, gaedke, I do not recognize a party named 'P18'
15:04:40 <bblfish> agenda +"Accept minutes of previous meeting"
15:04:46 <bblfish> agendum next
15:04:55 <bblfish> next agendum
15:05:02 <gaedke> Zakim, I am ??P18.
15:05:02 <Zakim> +gaedke; got it
15:05:07 <bblfish> zakim, pick a scribe
15:05:07 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bergi
15:05:10 <Zakim> +??P24
15:05:24 <gaedke> zakim, mute me.
15:05:24 <Zakim> gaedke should now be muted
15:05:30 <domel> Zakim, I am ??P24
15:05:30 <Zakim> +domel; got it
15:05:30 <bblfish> zakim, pick a scribe
15:05:32 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bblfish
15:05:42 <bblfish> zakim, bblfish is chair
15:05:42 <Zakim> +chair; got it
15:05:44 <bblfish> zakim, pick a scribe
15:05:44 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose domel
15:05:51 <bblfish> zakim, pick a scribe
15:05:51 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose chair
15:06:00 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
15:06:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see MacTed, bergi, chair, gaedke (muted), domel
15:06:23 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2011/07/04-webid-minutes.html
15:06:25 <MacTed> Zakim, chair is bblfish
15:06:25 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
15:06:40 <MacTed> chair: bblfish
15:07:09 <MacTed> I can play botgames, but can't scribe (will be interrupted today)
15:07:44 <MacTed> chairnick: bblfish
15:08:25 <MacTed> Zakim, pick a scribe
15:08:25 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose bblfish
15:09:45 <bblfish> vote for that 
15:09:46 <bblfish> +1
15:09:49 <gaedke> +1
15:10:02 <bergi> +1
15:10:06 <domel> +0 (I was absent)
15:10:16 <bblfish> RESOLVED: Minutes approved
15:10:39 <bblfish> anyone one new here?
15:11:01 <bblfish> agendum +" Check Todos"
15:11:06 <bblfish> next adendum
15:11:11 <bblfish> next agendum
15:11:39 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open
15:12:37 <bblfish> Questions: 
15:12:40 <Zakim> +??P8
15:12:42 <bblfish> hwo is public key encoded
15:12:54 <bblfish> can you have than one public key in ldap
15:13:13 <bblfish> how do you specify the web id?
15:13:17 <bblfish> Do you have to?
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15:13:39 <bblfish> Are there any Ldap endpoint open on the internet?
15:13:59 <Zakim> -??P8
15:14:14 <Zakim> +??P8
15:14:25 <melvster1> zakim, ??P8 is me
15:14:25 <Zakim> +melvster1; got it
15:14:40 <melvster1> ive muted
15:16:01 <domel> Zakim, who is talking?
15:16:11 <Zakim> domel, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bblfish (35%), MacTed (64%)
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15:19:09 <Zakim> -gaedke
15:19:45 <samuelm> hi, could not connect to conf call (maybe my fault, first time using W3C bridge), keep trying
15:20:57 <bblfish> hi samuelm
15:21:00 <gaedke> I am also off
15:21:17 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
15:21:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see MacTed, bergi, bblfish, domel, melvster1
15:21:23 <MacTed> Zakim, code?
15:21:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 93243 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), MacTed
15:21:41 <bblfish> are you using sip?
15:21:45 <Zakim> +??P1
15:21:57 <bblfish> if you use sip you need to type numbers very slowly
15:22:02 <gaedke> zakim, ??P1 is me
15:22:02 <Zakim> +gaedke; got it
15:22:17 <gaedke> zakim, mute me
15:22:17 <Zakim> gaedke should now be muted
15:22:18 <samuelm> no, plain old telephone
15:22:41 <bblfish> zakim, close ACTION-32
15:22:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close ACTION-32', bblfish
15:22:42 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/32
15:22:43 <melvster1> samuelm: type in code webid then the pound key
15:22:48 <bblfish> close action-32
15:22:49 <trackbot> ACTION-32 Create apache issue on more flexible certificate access closed
15:22:57 <samuelm> FR refused the password
15:23:39 <melvster1> 93243#
15:23:46 <Zakim> + +34.60.995.aaaa
15:23:50 <bblfish> you have to type very slowly
15:23:57 <bblfish> or at a reasonble rate
15:24:01 <samuelm> now i'm in, thx
15:24:05 <MacTed> Zakim, aaaa is samuelm
15:24:05 <Zakim> +samuelm; got it
15:24:30 <bblfish> agendum +"General topics"
15:24:35 <bblfish> next agendum
15:25:10 <domel> https://github.com/domel/webid-spec/
15:25:28 <bblfish> is stephane here?
15:26:26 <bblfish> what other things should we be working on here?
15:27:49 <melvster1> yes
15:28:08 <MacTed> agenda?
15:28:34 <bblfish> agenda +"Spec improvements"
15:28:41 <bblfish> next agendum 
15:28:59 <bblfish> what spec improvements do people feel we need?
15:29:15 <bblfish> http://webid.info/spec/
15:29:46 <bblfish> domel to the diff for what you added in git?
15:30:15 <domel> https://github.com/domel/webid-spec/commit/825ab6c7e129b7b7ea295d8180213fa7c7fb74b7#spec/index-respec.html
15:30:31 <bblfish> thanks you
15:31:06 <bblfish> we for adding that to the spec
15:31:27 <bblfish> +1 for that change if it is correct rdf/xml
15:32:13 <bergi> +1
15:32:13 <bblfish> ?
15:32:45 <bblfish> everyone else ok?
15:32:51 <gaedke> +1
15:33:14 <bblfish> RESOLVED: adding domels patch to the spec
15:33:39 <bblfish> todo bblfish add domel's patch
15:33:49 <bblfish> action bblfish add domel's patch
15:33:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - Add domel's patch [on Henry Story - due 2011-07-18].
15:34:14 <bblfish> I suggest that we add the UML diagram http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/04/26/
15:34:17 <bblfish> to the spec
15:34:18 <domel> +1
15:34:30 <bblfish> +1
15:34:57 <Deiu> +1
15:35:03 <bergi> +1
15:35:05 <MacTed> looking at it  :-)
15:35:13 <gaedke> still looking
15:35:55 <domel> I suggest add description of classes and properties of cert and rsa onts. We can use specgen o do this.
15:35:57 <Zakim> -MacTed
15:36:20 <gaedke> besides descriptions what about FOAF
15:36:31 <bblfish> RESOLVED: add uml diagram to spec
15:36:43 <bblfish> ACTION bblfish to add UML diagram from http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/04/26/ to spec
15:36:43 <trackbot> Created ACTION-35 - Add UML diagram from http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/04/26/ to spec [on Henry Story - due 2011-07-18].
15:36:57 <Zakim> -gaedke
15:38:18 <bblfish> it is better to link to the ontology and have it contain a uml diagram
15:38:43 <Zakim> +??P1
15:39:05 <gaedke> zakim, ??P1 is me
15:39:05 <Zakim> +gaedke; got it
15:39:26 <bblfish> is samulem on the phone?
15:39:28 <Zakim> -samuelm
15:39:41 <samuelm> sorry, i disconnected accidentally
15:39:58 <samuelm> just heard u
15:39:58 <bblfish> we just wanted to have you introduce yourself
15:40:22 <samuelm> wait 30 sec, I'm connecting back
15:40:28 <bblfish> agenda +"Test suite report"
15:40:33 <bblfish> agendum next
15:40:39 <bblfish> next agendum
15:40:58 <bblfish> any progress bergi?
15:41:19 <bblfish> or new issues?
15:41:42 <samuelm> having troubles again connecting
15:42:27 <Zakim> +samuelm
15:42:41 <domel> I would like to review ontologies (I will contact with Stéphane)
15:43:03 <Zakim> -bblfish
15:43:49 <Zakim> +bblfish
15:44:53 <bblfish> introducing samuelm
15:45:14 <bblfish> is working with Martin Gaedke on euripean project on privacy and Identity Management
15:45:26 <bblfish> especially interested on the use of identity claims 
15:47:46 <bblfish> https://github.com/bblfish/foafssl-java
15:48:01 <samuelm> interested in potential java ee implementations
15:48:10 <bblfish> https://github.com/bblfish/keygenapp
15:49:23 <bblfish> http://bblfish.net/
15:50:09 <bblfish> bergi will have an endpoint at the end of the week
15:50:23 <bblfish> then bergi will have holidays for three weeks
15:52:10 <bblfish> bergi is working harder on holidays
15:52:36 <bblfish> agendum +"other things people want to speak about"
15:52:40 <bblfish> next agendum
15:53:23 <domel> Zakim, who is talking?
15:53:40 <Zakim> domel, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: bblfish (65%)
15:53:54 <Zakim> -gaedke
15:54:56 <Zakim> +??P1
15:55:15 <gaedke> zakim, ??P1 is me
15:55:15 <Zakim> +gaedke; got it
15:55:18 <bblfish> Domel would like to talk on the ontolgoy
15:55:28 <bblfish> more readable version of classes and properties
15:57:18 <bblfish> action domel to htmlize the ontologies
15:57:18 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - domel
15:57:27 <bblfish> action: domel to htmlize the ontologies
15:57:27 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - domel
15:57:54 <bblfish> action:   Tomaszukl to htmlize the ontologies
15:57:54 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Tomaszukl
15:58:06 <bblfish> action:  Dominik to htmlize the ontologies
15:58:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-36 - Htmlize the ontologies [on Dominik Tomaszuk - due 2011-07-18].
15:59:28 <melvster1> yes :)
15:59:38 <bblfish> concerning ping back ontology
16:00:52 <Zakim> -bblfish
16:01:02 <bblfish> oops
16:01:04 <bblfish> disconnected
16:01:12 <bblfish> so that's all for this week
16:01:22 <bblfish> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:01:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/07/11-webid-minutes.html bblfish
16:01:27 <Zakim> -domel
16:01:29 <melvster1> bye!
16:01:29 <gaedke> bye
16:01:30 <bblfish> RRSAgent, make minutes public
16:01:30 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', bblfish.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:01:32 <Zakim> -melvster1
16:01:34 <Zakim> -samuelm
16:01:36 <Zakim> -bergi
16:01:36 <bblfish> thanks all
16:01:37 <domel> Bye
16:01:41 <bblfish> RRSAgent, make minutes public
16:01:41 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', bblfish.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:02:06 <bblfish> ok, so next time I'll use skype. Looks like I lost contact half way throug the conf
16:02:44 <Deiu> bblfish, offtopic: would it be useful to setup a bug tracker for WebID related issues? 
16:02:55 <bblfish> we have that
16:02:58 <Deiu> I know we can use the mailing list, but a tracker offers more functionality
16:03:12 <Deiu> the w3.org track isn't very friendly :)
16:03:22 <bblfish> it's here http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/
16:03:27 <bblfish> ah what's wrong with it?
16:03:49 <Deiu> well, for one you can't add comments or patch fixes (I think)
16:04:05 <bblfish> yes, but you can point to diffs
16:04:10 <bblfish> you can add comments
16:04:44 <bblfish> for example http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/1
16:04:54 <bblfish> there is an "edit this issue" in the right hand side
16:05:06 <Deiu> let me see
16:05:34 <Deiu> you can only edit notes
16:05:52 <Deiu> it looks like commenting is done through the mailing list
16:06:21 <bblfish> yes, that's a good way of making sure the discussion happens on the list
16:06:29 <Deiu> adds a mail if it matches the issue number in the title...
16:06:30 <bblfish> so that it does not get lost all over the web
16:06:36 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, gaedke, in INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM
16:06:37 <bblfish> yes
16:06:38 <Zakim> INC_WEBID(WEBID)11:00AM has ended
16:06:41 <Zakim> Attendees were [IPcaller], bergi, MacTed, gaedke, domel, bblfish, melvster1, +34.60.995.aaaa, samuelm
16:06:50 <Deiu> also adds issue-19 :)
16:07:06 <Deiu> or 16
16:07:27 <Deiu> hmmm
16:07:38 <bblfish> the issues in there are very general
16:08:02 <bblfish> I think there is one for the ontology
16:08:37 <bblfish> well there should be an issue for the ontology
16:08:45 <bblfish> making it html
16:08:52 <bblfish> but well we have an action instread
16:09:34 <Deiu> gah..I guess it would be complicated to export issues created by RSSAgent to other trackers.
16:10:10 <bblfish> yes. The advantage of this is that there is a guaratnee of these urls being very long lasting
16:11:06 <Deiu> I'm telling you this because I got contacted by someone wanting to use WebID (probably with a malformatted rdf file) who got some weird issues testing his WebID on your test endpoint and later on on mine
16:11:28 <Deiu> I had him email me a description of the steps he took and output he got
16:11:53 <bblfish> ah ok
16:11:54 <Deiu> So far I hadn't got around to checking it, but I plan to do it eventually 
16:12:08 <Deiu> I can forward you his email if you want to take a look
16:12:10 <bblfish> well that could be an implementation issue
16:12:14 <Deiu> yeah
16:12:29 <bblfish> if one can boil it down to an issue with the spec, then it is an issue for the tracker
16:12:36 <Deiu> He managed to login to my demo site eventually...but not on yours
16:12:45 <Deiu> yeah, I agree
16:12:47 <bblfish> well foafssl.org is down right now
16:12:56 <Deiu> but an implementation tracker would be nice
16:13:00 <bblfish> or rather the certificate has expired
16:13:05 <Deiu> at least we get to share the same bug reports
16:13:18 <bblfish> there are going to be many implementations and so many trackers
16:13:50 <bblfish> I don't think the W3C can deal with following implemenations and tracking specific bugs
16:14:05 <bblfish> what it can do is have test suites and specs
16:14:07 <Deiu> true, but from a developer's point of view it would make sense to have it centralized 
16:14:35 <Deiu> it's not really W3C's obligation anymore
16:14:38 <bblfish> well one can have a list of implementations
16:14:45 <bblfish> on the w3c
16:15:32 <Deiu> yeah I know..but managing upstream/downstream patches would be a nightmare :-)
16:15:53 <Deiu> (since we already share libs)
16:16:07 <bblfish> anyway, I think his problem is probably due to foafssl.org's certificate being expired
16:16:12 <bblfish> I am going to change that soon
16:16:27 <Deiu> ok
16:16:43 <bblfish> in fact I want to close the foafssl.org endpoing, because it is costing me a lot. It can be better done elsewhere
16:16:57 <bblfish> rather I want to close foafssl.org cloud server
16:17:05 <bblfish> so I'll do that in next few days
16:17:48 <Deiu> you could maybe have it either redirect to mine, or display a page telling people there's a similar endpoint they can use 
16:18:08 <Deiu> so people can still play with WebID authentication
16:19:50 <bblfish> yes
16:19:53 <bblfish> will do that
16:20:24 <bblfish> I'll get it fixed this week. Perhaps just remove foafssl.org for the moment
16:22:05 <Deiu> Ok
16:22:48 <Deiu> btw, I'm going on a holiday for one month (traveling and wedding preparation) so I won't make it to the next teleconfs.
16:23:14 <Deiu> I will be back starting 15th august
16:23:40 <Deiu> I will be reachable by email though
16:30:16 <bblfish> ah ok
16:30:17 <bblfish> great
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