13:08:05 RRSAgent has joined #gld 13:08:05 logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-gld-irc 13:08:07 Topic: Introductions 13:08:10 Dan Gilman 13:08:33 zakim, this is gld 13:08:33 ok, sandro; that matches SW_e-Gov(GLDWG)8:00AM 13:08:35 zakim, who is here? 13:08:35 On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, +49.721.aabb, ??P1, ??P6 13:08:37 On IRC I see RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford, SimonWall, Zakim, danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot 13:08:39 rrsagent, log is public 13:08:39 I'm logging. I don't understand 'log is public', sandro. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:09:01 +??P7 13:09:05 Zakim, who is here? 13:09:05 On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, +49.721.aabb, ??P1, ??P6, ??P7 13:09:07 On IRC I see RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford, SimonWall, Zakim, danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot 13:09:12 DruidSmith has joined #GLD 13:09:23 johnlsheridan has joined #gld 13:09:32 in 70s was the Census Bureau, now at Bureau of Labor Statistics 13:09:34 chair of US IT Metadata Committee 13:09:39 RRSAgent, make log public 13:09:43 Simon Wall, at Aus. B. Statistics 13:10:01 Zakim, P7 is me 13:10:01 sorry, boris, I do not recognize a party named 'P7' 13:10:29 + +1.202.566.aacc 13:11:10 Sandro, what is the log-in code? 13:11:16 -??P6 13:11:25 johnlsheridan, GLDWG 13:11:29 zakim, what is the code? 13:11:29 the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), sandro 13:12:19 +??P6 13:12:29 johnlsheridan, is that you? 13:12:35 zakim, ??P6 is martinAlvarez 13:12:35 +martinAlvarez; got it 13:12:51 zakim, mute me 13:12:51 martinAlvarez should now be muted 13:13:08 +??P12 13:13:10 zakim, ??P7 is me 13:13:10 +boris; got it 13:13:23 Yigal has joined #gld 13:13:25 Cory-C has joined #GLD 13:17:40 remote folks -- Webcam is working... http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro/webcam 13:18:07 + +1.303.275.aadd 13:18:10 great to have webcam view 13:19:07 johnlsheridan, are you on the phone now, too? 13:19:12 yes 13:19:16 great. 13:19:27 +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen 13:19:37 zakim, +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen 13:19:37 +bkaempgen; got it 13:19:57 Ernie: NITRD works with 16 - 19 agencies of the US Govt to collab/coord IT among the agencies. 13:20:32 ... if we see a serious problem with technology, we'll put together information about what we want the govt (congress, ostp, ...) to do. communication from the agencies, to make sure innovation happens. 13:20:36 Ernie Lucier from US NITRD speaking on outreach & education to communicate with US Agencies on what needs to be done to ensure innovation happens ... or explains why it is not. 13:20:58 ... we also put together the budget summaries of the agencies. nitrd.gov annual report, R&D supplement to federal budget. 13:21:31 http://www.nitrd.gov/About/FY11NITRDSupp-FINAL-Web.pdf 13:21:59 John, can I link to your preso's? 13:22:04 ernie: There's a 5 year lag from IT budget increases to results. 13:22:30 George, sure - I added a link in the wiki earlier today - is that ok? 13:22:31 ernie: So, we want to look at and figure out what we want the governments to do. 13:23:05 @JLS yes - thanks! 13:23:43 bern: So how should we best focus this? 13:23:56 ernie: why is this important, what does it do for the country 13:24:15 bern: CIO Counsel, subcommitee. Are there equiv forums? 13:24:46 ernie: I don't know specifically. We have conferences, and put together documents (not exactly white papers). We're a relatively small agency. 13:26:14 topic: John Sheridan 13:26:27 Is there an equivalent to the CIO Councel Data Subcommittee for NITR? 13:26:57 johnlsheridan: I happen to be calling from 500-person OKFN event in Berlin. Amazing event 13:27:49 Debbie has joined #gld 13:29:47 johnlsheridan: "... published in an open and standardised format". Very important to have that phrase in the document. 13:31:34 zakim, +1.202.566.aacc is me 13:31:34 +DruidSmith; got it 13:34:04 BartVanLeeuwen has joined #gld 13:42:13 help 13:42:47 zakim, help 13:42:47 Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help. 13:42:50 Some of the commands I know are: 13:42:52 xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx 13:42:55 if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted 13:42:58 xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx 13:43:00 I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx 13:43:02 xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group 13:43:04 xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx 13:43:06 who's here? - lists the participants on the phone 13:43:09 who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted 13:43:11 mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#) 13:43:14 unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61# 13:43:17 is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present 13:43:20 list conferences - reports the active conferences 13:43:21 this is xxx - associates this channel with conference xxx 13:43:23 excuse us - disconnects from the irc channel 13:43:25 I last learned something new on $Date: 2010/03/15 18:49:04 $ 13:43:31 zakim, who's here 13:43:31 SimonWall, you need to end that query with '?' 13:43:35 zakim, who's here? 13:43:35 On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, +49.721.aabb, ??P1, boris, DruidSmith (muted), martinAlvarez (muted), ??P12, +1.303.275.aadd 13:43:35 John Sheridan's conclusions: Re-use LD standards, lightweight vocabularies, including data "cube", oragnization, provenance. Create local specializations, e.g., payments & central gov't. 13:43:37 +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen 13:43:38 On IRC I see BartVanLeeuwen, Debbie, Cory-C, Yigal, johnlsheridan, DruidSmith, RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford, SimonWall, Zakim, 13:43:41 ... danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot 13:44:13 John Sheridan: Data "Cube" vocab very useful for them for payments. 13:45:44 John Sheridan: Highlighted many reference data sets that were developed for the UK Gov't. One example was for British time intervals for linking statistical & organisational data. 13:48:17 John Sheridan: quoted a great Malcolm Gladwell description for the "Chop-o-matic", starts with: ”And how do you persuade people to disrupt their lives?" 13:49:10 John Sheridan highlighted Linked Data API was the way to accommodate people who wanted different approaches, JSON, APIs, etc. 13:51:42 John Sheridan: Hundreds of UK Gov't organisations have published organisational data as LD, but critically, the data is deeply LINKED. Cross dataset queries were the most interesting. 13:52:32 The process was simple - capture, upload spreadsheet, preview organogram, download RDF & two CSVs, and publish on your website & register with data.gov.uk. 13:54:06 + +49.261.287.aaee 13:55:13 Jeanne has joined #gld 13:55:21 John Sheridan: Linked Data adds value via reconcilation (linking to other data). The big selling point to gov't executives (#10 Downing St) was visualisations and being able to embed on their own website. 13:56:29 John Sheridan: have really focused on making publishing easy, focused on education & outreach & took a Chop-o-matic approach (see Gladwell quote). Plus a bit of promotion to keep momentum. 13:56:43 +q 13:56:47 q+ 13:57:17 ack bkaempgen 13:57:24 boris is here btw 13:57:41 @JLS - AMAZING INSPIRING WORK! 13:59:40 queue + 13:59:52 q+ 13:59:55 q+ 14:00:02 q+ 14:01:23 chrism has joined #gld 14:01:30 sandro: why excel vs webapp? 14:02:08 johnlsheridan: policy rules were changing in real time -- eg disclose total pay, phone number, etc it was easier and cheaper and quicker 14:02:14 PRESENT: Dan, Chris, Sandro, GeorgeT, Katherine, Cory, MikeP, Bob, Ernie, Irene, Greg, Yigal, Brafford, Anne, Bern, Tina, Gerald 14:02:37 (I hope I got everyone's name right, sitting around the room) 14:03:04 GeorgeT asks JohnS for case studies with metrics, ROI details ... 14:03:36 johnlsheridan: Where are all the IT people in govt? useful to have that query/results. 14:03:51 johnlsheridan: Query of top-paid folks in govt. 14:04:15 johnlsheridan: Guardian newspaper did some analysis of the data. 14:05:09 PRESENT: Dan, Chris, Sandro, GeorgeT, Katherine, Cory, MikeP, Bob, Rick, Ernie, Irene, Greg, Yigal, Brafford, Anne, Bern, Tina, Gerald 14:06:19 Great presentation, John. Thanks! 14:06:33 thanks again John! 14:06:50 Cheers Hadley (it was hard to do on the phone) 14:10:13 Currently listening to Boris Villazon Terrazas on Government Linked Data Research Projects in Spain, see wiki for link to presentation:http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1 14:11:18 Boris: Outlined the process they are following: identification, modelling, generation of RDF data using tools they've developed, and finally publish & exploit information (using pubby ) 14:18:17 q+ 14:19:06 For me too - happy to write up our work for the GLD WG 14:19:25 q- 14:20:49 Speaking now is Hadley Beeman from the UK re: LinkedGov and the issues they faced around the 'grunt work' of LinkedGov 14:21:11 topic: Hadley Beeman, UK LinkedGov 14:21:21 Hadley: working for efficiencies in public & private sector communication 14:21:49 "hundreds of thousands of data teams" did I get that right? 14:29:37 annew has joined #gld 14:30:40 Hadley: Working on tools to better incent government to provide high quality, reusable information so the public can more quickly get accurate answers (and avoid more costly human intervention). 14:30:40 +1 to Hadley re provenance 14:32:16 Hadley: mentioned usefulness of provenance work that has been done for their work ... talked about what is realistic given budgets & time available, and what can be expected of the public to help. 14:32:20 Hadley, we should have a chat sometime about linking definitions (terms) to terms defined in legislation 14:33:11 Hadley, nice presentation - an important contribution. Government Linked Data is all about the ecosystem 14:34:08 topic: Anne Washington, Legacy Data 14:34:16 Yes, Sandro - that's an estimate, but there are a lot of public bodies and data teams in the UK. ( "hundreds of thousands of data teams" did I get that right?) 14:35:18 John, that chat would be great. I've been thinking about that (from our last conversation); huge potential in enriching the data by linking to/through legislation. 14:35:19 Sandro, depends what you count - if you count parish councils, school boards, the number of separate public bodies with data, is massive 14:35:52 (And thanks, John— you're right, it isn't easy on the phone!) 14:36:20 Anne L. Washington on Deliverables related to Stability & Legacy Data activites 14:37:04 Please see the updated agenda on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1 14:37:15 John and Sandro: also, most public bodies have multiple disparate teams publishing data on different topics. 14:37:34 +Jeanne 14:38:15 Anne Washington: Be sure to recognize government timescale, it is slower than industry and therefore solution need to accommodate the pace. 14:39:12 +1 to Anne re sustainability. Especially important re URIs. One answer is to write contract requirements for maintaining a URI Set, and publish the contract. so, for legislation, maintaining the URI Set is a requirement on the contractor for next 5 years. Better still would be statutory requirements, but we are a ways off with that for URIs 14:39:13 Anne: On Legacy Data, everyone wants things in RDF, but it would better considered a "search problem" first & foremost. We don't need perfect data out of the gates. 14:39:46 okay, thanks, HadleyBeeman, johnlsheridan :) 14:40:23 Anne: Best practice on Stability - there are different appoaches (e.g., handles, PURLs) which is OK. Library of Congress used handles, US GPO used PURLs. 14:41:04 Anne: Look at areas of innovation, but keep stability at front of the queue. That is what matters in gov't. 14:41:31 Btw, we are looking to support URN:Lex too (as some others use that) off the back of our Linked Data RDF store. Preferring HTTP URIs doesn't mean you can't play nicely with other approaches. Very similar issue wrt other URNs. We should link from http URIs to URN based schemes, where they have traction 14:42:05 Anne: Initial stability characteristics include naming (persistent, predicatble, distributed resolution, scalable, legacy, naming), Location, Levels of Granularity. 14:43:19 Anne: "Standards work when they are bite size enough to take home and show their manager." 14:43:40 q+ 14:46:02 +??P35 14:46:28 We do this deep linking, eg http://www.legislation.gov.uk/id/ukpga/2009/26/section/6/1 (subsection 1 - resolves to a frag id in a doc) 14:47:15 -??P12 14:47:51 Michael Aisentberg: Asked question around authoritative version, provenence of content. Referenced the Cornell site... 14:48:27 tobo has joined #gld 14:48:49 Anne: It needs to come from official source, the people who created it. "We want to make sure it is the government on the Web and not a dog behind it." Must have a gov't URL behind it & ensure Gov't keeps it current. 14:49:34 Anne: Consider having a PURL behind the link for continuity. Australians and UK are way ahead of us on this. 14:51:00 -HadleyBeeman 14:51:02 +??P12 14:51:08 Katherine G (from L3 Communications): Asked a question about Federal Register still being printed in this day and age. (Note: Federal Register is available digitally). 14:51:20 + +1.440.389.aaff 14:51:23 Tope Omitola in . 14:51:35 zakim, +1.440.389.aaff is me 14:51:35 +HadleyBeeman; got it 14:51:36 and johnsheridan didn't pay me to say what a great job they are doing. 14:51:57 No problem. 14:52:11 waves to annew - thank you - agreed with a lot of your talk 14:53:20 Could somebody mute their mike. 14:55:19 Anne: Asked Hadley question about how her work is funded. Hadley said funding comes from UK Government Technology STrategy Board and they are exploring a "freemium" model too. 14:55:51 We're taking a quick 3 min stretch break. Back at 11:00AM US ET with Michael Aisenberg's talk on Privacy & gov't data. 14:56:25 I'm going to have to go. Really sorry I couldn't be there or stay for longer (as I'm at OKCon) - really enjoyed the presentations I heard - looking forward to contributing to the WG. There is lots for us all to do! 14:56:54 -??P12 14:57:17 -boris 14:58:57 zakim, who's here? 14:58:57 On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, +49.721.aabb, ??P1, DruidSmith (muted), martinAlvarez (muted), +1.303.275.aadd, +49.261.287.aaee, Jeanne, ??P35 (muted), HadleyBeeman 14:59:03 +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen 14:59:06 On IRC I see tobo, chrism, Jeanne, BartVanLeeuwen, Debbie, Cory-C, DruidSmith, RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford, SimonWall, Zakim, 14:59:12 ... danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot 15:02:19 Yigal has joined #gld 15:04:45 ok. 15:05:32 Yigal_ has joined #gld 15:10:27 Michael Aisenberg (MITRE) on Privacy and Personally Identifiable Information (PII). 15:10:39 Topic: Michael Aisenberg (MITRE) on Privacy and Personally Identifiable Information (PII). 15:12:15 What makes the US Gov't a bit different is special treatment of individual's data in sectors - specifically, children (COPPA), Health info (HIPAA), banking & financial service info (Sarbanes/Oxley), and global presense of US collectors. 15:12:37 annew has joined #gld 15:12:40 s/presense/presence of U.S. collectors: EU Safe Harbor Agreement 15:18:53 - +1.303.275.aadd 15:20:56 zakim, ??P1 is me 15:20:56 +SimonWall; got it 15:23:10 zakim, who's here 15:23:10 SimonWall, you need to end that query with '?' 15:23:14 zakim, who's here? 15:23:14 On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, +49.721.aabb, SimonWall, DruidSmith (muted), martinAlvarez (muted), +49.261.287.aaee, Jeanne, ??P35 (muted), HadleyBeeman 15:23:20 +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen 15:23:24 On IRC I see annew, Yigal_, tobo, chrism, Jeanne, BartVanLeeuwen, Debbie, Cory-C, DruidSmith, RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford, 15:23:29 ... SimonWall, Zakim, danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot 15:26:53 Yigal: Asked a question about international collection of PII data. 15:28:36 Michael: Highly granular control of PII is commensurate with US & UK ... US corporations have a weak burden of duty for PII they collect from citizens. 15:29:02 DruidSmith has joined #gld 15:31:04 dan: (question missed) 15:31:07 -??P35 15:31:14 +??P31 15:31:18 kath: nstic connections? 15:31:27 Zakim, ??P31 is me 15:31:27 +BartVanLeeuwen; got it 15:31:48 mikea: my colleage, Weitzl, ... we might have a MITRE or ABA comment. 15:32:09 -HadleyBeeman 15:32:41 +??P5 15:34:14 Speaking now is Cory Casanave on Solving the pervasive Data Problem 15:36:36 Please see the updated agenda on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1 if you are speaking, please check. Appreciate your understanding as the schedule has changed to accommodate the many good talks people having been giving ... and the Q&A that followed. 15:37:49 @danbri are you planning to speak on FOAF? 15:39:00 Cory: Updated everyone on the Federal Data Architecture Subcommittee - Open Government Vocabularies Wokring Group (OGV). 15:39:01 hello Bernadette, everyone. I'm afraid I only saw Sandro's mail earlier today, and have some other commitments, ... so I was planning only to try to observe quietly from IRC 15:39:27 I need to be going… best of luck with the rest of the session. Thanks again for inviting me, BernadetteHyland, George and Sandro! 15:39:38 Cory: Caveat - this group can make recommendations, there is a White Paper on this available to this group (not yet public), however, this group has no official authority to mandate anything. 15:39:44 But I would like to say, that if there are changes around FOAF that will make it more useful or appropriate for this audience, I would love to start that conversation 15:40:05 (re long-term maintainance; or downplaying some of the older frivolous terms, etc... or re adding terms) 15:40:27 Thanks for coming, HadleyBeeman ! 15:40:45 Bye, Sandro! 15:40:49 Bye HadleyBeeman. loved what you are doing 15:41:07 @danbri are you able to speak at 13:45 US ET today? or is that too late for you? 15:41:15 Thanks, Annew. Hope we'll get to talk more about it— we need loads of help. :) 15:41:20 Bye, all! 15:43:16 I'm afraid I'll be heading off shortly; would it be possible to start a discussion by email [somewhere?] though? 15:43:56 danbri, how about joiing the WG and discussing it on public-gld-wg ? 15:43:59 @danbri - yes, I would suggest that your talk be scheduled for one of our upcoming weekly GLD calls. Would that work for you? Sandro is working on survey results to confirm best time for everyone. 15:44:13 @danbri, did you complete survey re: timeslot? 15:45:26 Cory: I hope that we can band together on a "common theme, common message to solve data problems." 15:45:35 +q 15:45:44 I didn't complete survey, maybe I can squeeze one more WG into my life... will take a look at the poll and find a way to follow up 15:46:58 @danbri ... right, there is word for that ... YAWG (remember YAK and LEX ;-) 15:47:07 :) 15:47:20 :) 15:47:36 so, how many WG do you do at the same time? 15:47:36 @danbri, even if you don't join formally, having your expertise on reviewing some of the vocab recommendations would be very welcome. You can dabble in our WG ;-) 15:47:40 danbri, http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/gld-sched/ -- clear winner at the moment is: Thursdays, 7am San Francisco, 10am Boston, 3pm London, 4pm Paris 15:48:07 thanks! having some partial involvement without feeling guilty for not being 100% member would be ideal... 15:48:38 Speaking is Katherine (L3) 15:49:09 @topo - are you ready to speak, you are on deck 15:49:10 kath: Is privacy one of these domains? 15:49:12 cory: Yes 15:49:42 BobDuCharme has joined #gld 15:49:54 Yes. 15:50:12 mikea: I think I just had an epiphany. It's hard to get eng. and arch.s to distinguish principles from architecture. but architecture is polticits. although, when creating them, they are sep domains. 15:50:18 @sandro ... only in your special world does 30% * 6 = 100% 15:50:32 @BernadetteHyland. Yes, tobo is Ready to talk. 15:50:50 (it actually does add up -- I'm in rif and owl at 0% each, etc.) 15:51:56 Benedikt has to run, Thanks! 15:52:08 sandro, your webcam stream works brilliant now I'm on better bandwidth 15:52:11 - +49.721.aabb 15:52:50 Tope Omitola from University of Southampton on Provenance Models for Linking Data 15:53:06 topic: Tope Omitola from University of Southampton on Provenance Models for Linking Data 15:53:54 madalynn has joined #gld 15:55:37 @annew there is your dog behind the wheel ... that is a classic cartoon :-) 15:56:05 sandro, those times are pretty good for me - midnight in Canberra is not as bad as it could be 15:59:30 sandro: who is that again on your right side ? ( /me is notoriously bad with names :( ) 15:59:51 @bernadette glad to have a visual reference for my quote from the New yorker... July 5, 1993 16:00:15 BartVanLeeuwen, that's George Thomas, co-chair. I figure'd I'd let the camera show only Bern for long enough. :-) 16:00:26 :D 16:00:51 maybe I should slowly move the camera around the room, but it tends to make people dizzy. 16:01:38 are there minuts from yesterday afternoon somewhere ? 16:02:39 BartVanLeeuwen, there's a raw IRC log, but I'm having some trouble with the proper formatting. (some server bug I can't concentrate on right now.) http://www.w3.org/2011/06/29-gld-irc 16:03:44 k 16:04:36 dinner time here I'll try to back at 14:00 for the charter discussion 16:06:01 -BartVanLeeuwen 16:06:16 @BartVanLeeuwen - what is your evening schedule? Are you able to participate in discussion of charter items at 14:00 US ET or is that too late for you? 16:07:21 @topo - 1 minute warning to wrap up please 16:07:43 @BernadetteHyland , that is my plan, that will be 20:00 here, I just hope you meet that schedule ;) 16:08:00 I will at least pop back in here then 16:08:33 later 16:08:35 BartVanLeeuwen has left #gld 16:10:25 @BartVanLeeuwen - I believe we can make that time. We have a lunch break and only one presentation, by Irene from TopQuadrant before the 14:00 charter discussion ... so I appreciate your hanging around for that. 16:12:11 Yigal Arens, Deputy Director, ISS (Information Sciences Institute from USC) on The effect of government support for e-government research 16:13:19 Yigal: dg.o is the major north america egov conf, ... 16:14:15 BernadetteHyland has joined #gld 16:15:04 yigal: govt agencies had to be involved in proposal, but then switched to "cluster" 16:16:59 yigal: Digitial gov, like every app, requires additional work from the researcher; unless funded to do so, they are not likely to do it. 16:18:34 Yigal: "There is a real loss if there is less research being done for digital government. Decisions made by private sector are very different than those of gov't agencies." 16:19:07 Yigal: Due to lack of govt funding, we see people fleeing the area for the past 10 years. 16:19:29 Yigal: "We see researchers fleeing way from digital government due to less grant funding being available in the last 10 years" and that is a real loss. 16:20:00 +1 that we need a sustainable business model for doing research that impacts govt technology 16:26:57 -DruidSmith 16:26:58 Michael: "R&D investment in the USA at established mainstream companies has gone from approximately 18% to below 5% in the last decade. For startups, it is higher typically, but in mainstream companies it has gone down drastically." 16:28:28 mikea: Without the Office of Technology Assessment, there is much less expertise to make these budget decisions. 16:28:35 Michael: There isn't sophisticated capabilities to make these arguments in Congress ... in the 1980s-1990s we had university, corporate research & gov't funding to support innovation research. 16:29:01 Duly noted that the Congressional Research Service still provides technical nonpartisan advice to Congress. 16:29:07 yigal: The US spends 6% of GDP on research, EU 3% 16:29:21 Folks, I have to go . Good set of speeches. I hope to join again in the afternoon. 16:29:53 good work on provenance tobo! 16:30:17 Thanks, annew. Further work still to do on there. 16:30:50 Can't hear Irene at all 16:30:57 Better 16:31:42 irene: we have linkmodels.org 16:32:33 tobo has left #gld 16:32:38 -??P5 16:33:11 Topic: Irene Polikoff (TopQuadrant) on Linked Data Models 16:33:34 irene: It's a bit frustrating when a lot of work goes into developing a model and it sits unused. 16:34:29 See http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1 for updated agenda. We are lookingt to start at 13:40 US ET on Charter Items discussion for the benefit of our faithful participants in EU and AU. 16:35:29 Irene: Importance of overall ontology architecture and the varying perspectives organizationally. 16:35:48 Irene: VAEM -- Vocab for Attaching Essential Metadata 16:37:13 irene: most of VOiD wasn't directly applicable. 16:41:09 Irene: discussed the QUDT (quantities, units, dimension and types) work they've done, see http://qudt.org. Very useful & revelant to GLD!!! 16:41:37 Also see: www.linkedmodel.org/catalog/qudt/1.1 16:44:00 Irene: Mentioned oeGov: Ontologies of US Government work performed by Ralph Hodgeson (TopQuadrant). See http://oeGov.us 16:45:47 Dan: Mentioned ISO IEC11404 - General Purpose Data Types Ontology (pub 2007), freely available. 16:49:21 - +49.261.287.aaee 16:50:01 Yigal: Correcting numbers on R&D, its 3 and 1.5 % of gdp. 16:50:10 -martinAlvarez 16:50:15 off now, back in an hour 16:50:22 -SimonWall 16:50:38 - +1.703.292.aaaa 16:51:37 SimonWall has left #gld 17:09:12 John has joined #gld 17:12:33 BartVanLeeuwen has joined #gld 17:13:02 +??P11 17:13:13 Zakim, ??P11 is me 17:13:14 +BartVanLeeuwen; got it 17:15:02 -BartVanLeeuwen 17:18:59 JeremyCarroll has joined #gld 17:40:14 +??P0 17:40:23 Zakim, ??P0 is me 17:40:23 +BartVanLeeuwen; got it 17:40:56 -BartVanLeeuwen 17:46:35 martinAlvarez has left #gld 17:48:00 + +49.261.287.aagg 17:49:20 SimonWall has joined #gld 17:51:17 martin has joined #gld 17:52:28 +??P2 17:52:40 zakim, ??p2 is me 17:52:40 +martin; got it 17:52:52 zakim, mute me 17:52:52 martin should now be muted 17:53:10 +??P3 17:53:16 +??P4 17:53:33 Zakim, ??P4 is me 17:53:33 +BartVanLeeuwen; got it 17:53:43 Zakim, please mute me 17:53:43 BartVanLeeuwen should now be muted 17:54:45 zakim, ??p3 is me 17:54:45 +SimonWall; got it 17:57:04 + +1.703.292.aahh 17:58:09 -Jeanne 17:59:39 IrenePolikoff has joined #gld 18:01:50 BernadetteHyland has joined #gld 18:02:09 wbrafford has joined #GLD 18:02:13 Getting ready to start, dialed in to conference line now ... 18:04:16 Public Account Request Form see, http://www.w3.org/Help/Account/Request/Public 18:06:54 Yigal has joined #gld 18:07:51 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld 18:08:03 links to http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1_Community_Directory_Discussion_Summary 18:08:04 DruidSmith has joined #gld 18:09:39 SimonWall has joined #gld 18:10:02 \me Zakim, who is here? 18:10:23 annew has joined #gld 18:10:53 hmm my audio connection is really bad :( 18:11:12 \me Zakim, who is here? 18:12:19 Ernie has joined #GLD 18:12:25 topic: Review of Deliverables 18:12:27 William Bradford from Revelytix reviewing some early notes on Community Directory Discussion (corresponds to Deliverable 2.1) 18:12:30 subtopic: Community Directory 18:12:57 mikea: "publicity" sounds a bit mendacious, let's go with "outreach" 18:13:12 sandro: let's split pre-wg outreach and post-wg outreach 18:14:36 rick: Structure directory so we know Technology Policy Leaders 18:15:27 Rick M: Discussed the Community Directory potentially having a bio and some basic info for the "technology policy leadership" 18:16:05 Michael: Suggested doing this by role and not person's name. Maybe an institutional/affiliation contact. 18:16:44 Rick M: Open Gov't was a really strong component of incoming US Administration's policy ... when money becomes tight, civil society takes up the "slack" when budgets are reduced. 18:17:10 Rick M: e.g., Sunlight Foundation, codeforamerica.org, others who are taking up the slack. 18:17:54 Rick M: We need a plan for engagement with civil society to make it relevant for them, e.g., a listing for Sunlight Foundation, pothole.com, etc who are fulfilling the social initiatives. 18:18:54 Cory: Asked whether "Open Government" initiative still has staying power as a brand. 18:19:24 Rick M: Open Government still has "brand" internationally. 18:20:04 Michael: "Rule of Law democracy has worked for 100 years" (Jackson) 18:24:18 Action Item: Rick - List of policy leaders per country so we know who to engage throughout the world. The second list is a list of organizations in civil society who we think are important to engage with. 18:24:18 Sorry, couldn't find user - Item 18:25:00 I know some dutch organisations for list 2 18:28:07 are there multiple mics ?? some people are easy to understand, some are waaay in the backgroun 18:30:50 Ernie has joined #GLD 18:32:26 -BartVanLeeuwen 18:32:46 SimpsonTP_ has joined #gld 18:33:07 sound was ok for presentations, almost unintelligible now discussion has started 18:33:19 -SimonWall 18:33:35 +??P3 18:33:42 sorry, SimonWall, I'm in the room and can barely hear anything. 18:33:58 some sort of after-lunch quietness 18:34:02 Zakim, ??P3 is me 18:34:02 +SimpsonTP_; got it 18:34:22 +??P4 18:35:03