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15:54:30 <burn> trackbot, start telcon
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15:54:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 
15:54:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
15:54:36 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Speech Incubator Group Teleconference
15:54:36 <trackbot> Date: 14 April 2011
15:54:39 <burn> zakim, this will be htmlspeech
15:54:39 <Zakim> ok, burn; I see INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
15:54:45 <Zakim> INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM has now started
15:54:52 <Zakim> +Michael_Bodell
15:55:21 <burn> Agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Apr/0017.html 
15:55:25 <burn> Chair:  Dan Burnett
15:55:29 <burn> zakim, code?
15:55:29 <Zakim> the conference code is 48657 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), burn
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15:55:58 <Zakim> +Dan_Burnett
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15:56:11 <burn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:56:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Michael_Bodell, Dan_Burnett
15:56:28 <burn> zakim, I am Dan_Burnett
15:56:28 <Zakim> ok, burn, I now associate you with Dan_Burnett
15:56:39 <burn> zakim, nick mbodell is Michael_Bodell
15:56:39 <Zakim> ok, burn, I now associate mbodell with Michael_Bodell
15:57:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:57:52 <marc> zakim, [IPcaller] is Marc_Schroeder
15:57:52 <Zakim> +Marc_Schroeder; got it
15:58:23 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:58:36 <burn> zakim, [Microsoft] is Robert_Brown
15:58:36 <Zakim> +Robert_Brown; got it
15:59:19 <Zakim> +??P29
15:59:38 <Zakim> + +1.425.391.aaaa
15:59:39 <burn> zakim, ??P29 is Rania_Elnaggar
15:59:39 <Zakim> +Rania_Elnaggar; got it
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15:59:51 <burn> zakim, aaaa is Dan_Druta
15:59:51 <Zakim> +Dan_Druta; got it
16:00:06 <Zakim> +Leo
16:00:12 <Zakim> +Milan_Young
16:00:50 <burn> zakim, mute Leo
16:00:50 <Zakim> Leo should now be muted
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16:01:00 <burn> zakim, unmute Leo
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16:01:35 <burn> zakim, Leo is Bjorn_Bringert
16:01:35 <Zakim> +Bjorn_Bringert; got it
16:01:45 <burn> zakim, nick bringert is Bjorn_Bringert
16:01:45 <Zakim> ok, burn, I now associate bringert with Bjorn_Bringert
16:01:49 <Zakim> +Debbie_Dahl
16:01:59 <burn> zakim, nick ddahl is Debbie_Dahl
16:01:59 <Zakim> ok, burn, I now associate ddahl with Debbie_Dahl
16:02:19 <burn> zakim, nick Milan_Young is Milan_Young
16:02:20 <Zakim> ok, burn, I now associate Milan_Young with Milan_Young
16:02:40 <Zakim> + +1.425.830.aabb
16:03:04 <burn> zakim, aabb is Charles_Hemphill
16:03:06 <Zakim> +Charles_Hemphill; got it
16:04:36 <burn> Scribe:  Milan Young
16:04:41 <burn> ScribeNick:  Milan_Young
16:04:57 <burn> Agenda:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Apr/0017.html 
16:05:19 <Milan_Young> Topic: F2F logistics
16:05:49 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: Has sent list to admin
16:06:15 <Milan_Young> ... If haven't filled out survey, need to let me know
16:06:29 <Milan_Young> Dan: Local transportation?
16:06:46 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: Details comming soon
16:07:48 <Milan_Young> Topic: Final report document produced by Dan
16:08:13 <Milan_Young> Dan: Purpose is to provide placeholders 
16:08:47 <Milan_Young> ... Want to capture essentials about design that go beyond requirements
16:09:26 <Milan_Young> ... This document would survive if we decide not to recharter
16:10:03 <Milan_Young> ... first decision that has been made is in regards to the three "aspects"
16:10:51 <Milan_Young> ... questions on structure of document?
16:10:54 <Milan_Young> <none>
16:11:28 <Zakim> +Michael_Johnston
16:11:34 <Milan_Young> ... discuss Milan's recent email about document
16:11:55 <burn> Milan's email:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Apr/0018.html
16:12:50 <Milan_Young> Dan: Agree that we should not call them components, aspects is better
16:13:52 <Milan_Young> ... Second point was whether we had come to agreement on defining three aspects
16:14:47 <Milan_Young> Milan: I don't know enough about HTML to know if markup is always needed for Javascript API
16:16:09 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: aspects are OK, we can always change our mind
16:16:27 <Milan_Young> Dan: Purpose is to have something to iterate over
16:18:33 <Milan_Young> Marc: Aspects might be a good place to break down between v1 and v2
16:19:38 <Milan_Young> Dan: These are real agreements of the group
16:21:17 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: We agree that we need to address these points (in agreement section), and that this document must specify how they are handled
16:22:09 <Milan_Young> Dan: These agreements are similar to an IETF "archtiecture document"
16:22:34 <Milan_Young> ... Point is to capture concrete decisions about what we must do
16:23:56 <burn> The document we are discussing is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Apr/att-0016/HTMLSpeech.html
16:25:32 <Milan_Young> DanD: Last call brought up point about preference and user consent
16:26:30 <Milan_Young> ... Also want to discuss my "archtiecture" email
16:26:45 <Milan_Young> ... Might be useful in framing discussion
16:27:23 <Milan_Young> Dan: Terminology is a great idea
16:27:42 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: Might add a glossary
16:29:11 <Milan_Young> Dan: Diagram can take a long time to come to agreement
16:29:52 <Milan_Young> DanD: Diagram will be what words will capture, not the other way around
16:30:15 <Milan_Young> Robert: Diagram is a distraction
16:30:36 <Milan_Young> ... Let's work on the list of terms first, and then build a diagram
16:31:22 <Milan_Young> DanD: That's fine, just wanted to start discussion
16:32:00 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: All proposals use a script API to control recognition
16:32:29 <Milan_Young> Dan: Not every feature is solved with script
16:33:12 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: All features of speech API must be accesible by ECMA
16:33:26 <Milan_Young> Dan: Accessible?
16:34:00 <Milan_Young> ... there are place where you might attach handlers, but still using the HTML structure
16:34:15 <Milan_Young> Bjron: HTML blurs line between markup and script
16:34:23 <Milan_Young> ... meant HTML5
16:36:04 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: ECMA is a complete API, markup may feed back into that
16:36:42 <Milan_Young> Michael: Hard to define where service fits into all of this
16:37:19 <Milan_Young> DanD: Maybe we need to define who script is targeted at
16:37:40 <Milan_Young> ... to whom the script is targeted :)
16:38:06 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: We all talking ECMA
16:39:28 <Milan_Young> MichaelJ: How to bring together graphical content with speech
16:39:43 <Milan_Young> Dan: That is more a statement about the purpose of the group
16:40:13 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: The entire API must be useable in Javascript
16:40:38 <Milan_Young> Dan: I'll put in some strawman language after the call
16:41:22 <Milan_Young> Charles: Would like a high-level statement
16:41:56 <Milan_Young> Milan: Already have misssion statement and requirements.
16:42:16 <Milan_Young> Charles: Not sure those agree.  Where is the purpose?
16:43:14 <Milan_Young> Dan: Maybe we should add a summary which captures the design biases
16:43:30 <Milan_Young> ... Need more context
16:43:46 <Milan_Young> ... Could others suggest some text?
16:44:18 <Milan_Young> ... Looking for a rational 
16:44:33 <Milan_Young> DanD: I'll take a cut
16:45:18 <Milan_Young> Dan: I gave a similar response last week on differences between VoiceXML 
16:45:44 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: Notifications from user agent should be in the form of Javascript events
16:46:04 <Milan_Young> Robert: Bubling is unclear
16:46:22 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: That's markup not javascript
16:46:56 <Milan_Young> ... More agreement, 1) start input 2) stop input 3) cancel input
16:47:26 <Milan_Young> ... stop and cancel might be blured by Mozialla
16:48:33 <Milan_Young> MichaelJ: Need seperation between stop and cancel
16:50:26 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: Cancel stops speech input without a result
16:51:28 <Milan_Young> ... all propsals had an onspeechstart event
16:51:42 <Milan_Young> ... and all had an onspeechend
16:52:18 <Milan_Young> ... all had onerror.  Unclear whether nomatch and noinput mapped to errros
16:52:56 <Milan_Young> ... and when recresult was availible
16:53:25 <Milan_Young> ... all can specify grammars
16:54:01 <Milan_Young> Dan: Regarding onspeechend, what does end of speech mean?
16:54:48 <Milan_Young> ... this is in regards to the endpointer
16:56:32 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: most useful is when endpointer finished
16:57:56 <Milan_Young> Milan: Need to consider dictation
16:58:33 <Milan_Young> Michael: Parameters would dictate meaning of of endofspeech event
16:59:19 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: Onspeechstart is also a function of endpointer
17:01:21 <Milan_Young> MichaelJ: Need to flag that implementations will vary around this point
17:01:43 <Milan_Young> Robert: On mobile, "cheap
17:01:55 <Milan_Young> ... endpointing on client may be necessary
17:02:16 <Milan_Young> Dan: Will add this as a topic for discussion
17:02:39 <Milan_Young> Michael: Play and pause for TTS
17:02:46 <Milan_Young> ... are also points of agreement
17:03:11 <Milan_Young> Dan: probably also have a stop
17:04:20 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: Google has a way to effective issue a stop, but no explicit method for it
17:05:25 <Milan_Young> DanD: Thought we had an agreement to allow web app to specify speech engine
17:05:42 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: Would suggest that it could be specified by URI
17:06:07 <Milan_Young> ... Ollie suggested that this be a v2
17:07:04 <Milan_Young> ... I'm OK in a v1 as long as they are lightwieght
17:07:17 <Milan_Young> ... as *mechanism* is lightweight
17:07:54 <Milan_Young> ... Disagreement that it should be referenced by URI?
17:08:15 <Milan_Young> Michael: That sounds sufficiently flexible
17:08:40 <Milan_Young> Dan: OK as long as we don't mean http: URL
17:08:54 <Milan_Young> ... W3C tends not to like URNs
17:09:42 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: We would need to restrict content of URIs so that solution could interoperate
17:10:25 <Milan_Young> Dan: Difference between configuration and accessibility
17:12:00 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: Might not work in open web model
17:13:06 <Milan_Young> Dan: General config of language tags to URIs
17:13:57 <Milan_Young> ... Selecting speech service implementation by URI
17:14:25 <Milan_Young> MichaelJ: Need ability to do this by URI
17:15:12 <Milan_Young> Dan: Speech services implementations must be referenceable by URI
17:16:26 <Milan_Young> Bjorn: Another agrement: Must be possible to refererence  a gramamr by URI
17:17:19 <Milan_Young> ... also that could reference language by language tag
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17:18:38 <Milan_Young> Dan: Might be useful to have a means of specifying a list of language tags
17:21:45 <Milan_Young> Michael: Should claify that you don't need to specify grammar
17:22:21 <Milan_Young> Dan: should clairify that behavior in such cases is not specified
17:23:42 <Milan_Young> Milan: Can we limit this list to a v1?
17:24:39 <Milan_Young> Micahel: This is all implicitly v1
17:25:09 <Milan_Young> Dan: This is a statement of how things should be done when they are done
17:28:10 <Milan_Young> ... Next step is to capture this in the document
17:28:17 <Milan_Young> ... can review over email
17:28:52 <Milan_Young> Michael: It would be useful to pull in use cases into that document
17:30:26 <Milan_Young> Dan: OK, Michael will take first 
17:30:32 <Milan_Young> ... cut on that
17:30:40 <Zakim> -Michael_Bodell
17:30:41 <Zakim> -Marc_Schroeder
17:30:42 <Zakim> -Debbie_Dahl
17:30:42 <Zakim> -Rania_Elnaggar
17:30:44 <Zakim> -Dan_Druta
17:30:44 <Zakim> -Milan_Young
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17:30:47 <Zakim> -Robert_Brown
17:30:49 <Zakim> -Bjorn_Bringert
17:30:53 <Zakim> -Charles_Hemphill
17:30:59 <burn> Regrets:  Jerry Carter, Olli Pettay
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17:31:31 <burn> zakim, who is on the phone?
17:31:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Dan_Burnett, Michael_Johnston
17:32:50 <Zakim> -Michael_Johnston
17:32:52 <Zakim> -Dan_Burnett
17:32:53 <Zakim> INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM has ended
17:32:55 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Bodell, Dan_Burnett, Marc_Schroeder, Robert_Brown, +1.425.391.aaaa, Rania_Elnaggar, Dan_Druta, Milan_Young, Bjorn_Bringert, Debbie_Dahl, +1.425.830.aabb,
17:32:58 <Zakim> ... Charles_Hemphill, Michael_Johnston
17:33:00 <burn> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:33:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn
17:55:37 <burn> rrsagent, make log public
17:56:14 <burn> rrsagent, draft minutes
17:56:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn
18:00:04 <burn> rrsagent, bye
18:00:04 <RRSAgent> I see no action items