IRC log of htmlspeech on 2011-04-14
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-htmlspeech-irc
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- trackbot, start telcon
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be
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- I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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- Meeting: HTML Speech Incubator Group Teleconference
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- Date: 14 April 2011
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- zakim, this will be htmlspeech
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- ok, burn; I see INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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- INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM has now started
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- +Michael_Bodell
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Apr/0017.html
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- Chair: Dan Burnett
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 48657 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), burn
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- +Dan_Burnett
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:56:11 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Michael_Bodell, Dan_Burnett
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- zakim, I am Dan_Burnett
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- ok, burn, I now associate you with Dan_Burnett
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- zakim, nick mbodell is Michael_Bodell
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- ok, burn, I now associate mbodell with Michael_Bodell
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- +[IPcaller]
- 15:57:52 [marc]
- zakim, [IPcaller] is Marc_Schroeder
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- +Marc_Schroeder; got it
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- +[Microsoft]
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- zakim, [Microsoft] is Robert_Brown
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- +Robert_Brown; got it
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- +??P29
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- + +1.425.391.aaaa
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- zakim, ??P29 is Rania_Elnaggar
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- +Rania_Elnaggar; got it
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- zakim, aaaa is Dan_Druta
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- +Dan_Druta; got it
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- +Leo
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- +Milan_Young
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- zakim, mute Leo
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- Leo should now be muted
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- zakim, unmute Leo
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- Leo should no longer be muted
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- zakim, Leo is Bjorn_Bringert
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- +Bjorn_Bringert; got it
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- zakim, nick bringert is Bjorn_Bringert
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- ok, burn, I now associate bringert with Bjorn_Bringert
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- +Debbie_Dahl
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- zakim, nick ddahl is Debbie_Dahl
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- ok, burn, I now associate ddahl with Debbie_Dahl
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- zakim, nick Milan_Young is Milan_Young
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- ok, burn, I now associate Milan_Young with Milan_Young
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- + +1.425.830.aabb
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- zakim, aabb is Charles_Hemphill
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- +Charles_Hemphill; got it
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- Scribe: Milan Young
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- ScribeNick: Milan_Young
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Apr/0017.html
- 16:05:19 [Milan_Young]
- Topic: F2F logistics
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- Bjorn: Has sent list to admin
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- ... If haven't filled out survey, need to let me know
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- Dan: Local transportation?
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- Bjorn: Details comming soon
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- Topic: Final report document produced by Dan
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- Dan: Purpose is to provide placeholders
- 16:08:47 [Milan_Young]
- ... Want to capture essentials about design that go beyond requirements
- 16:09:26 [Milan_Young]
- ... This document would survive if we decide not to recharter
- 16:10:03 [Milan_Young]
- ... first decision that has been made is in regards to the three "aspects"
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- ... questions on structure of document?
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- <none>
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- +Michael_Johnston
- 16:11:34 [Milan_Young]
- ... discuss Milan's recent email about document
- 16:11:55 [burn]
- Milan's email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Apr/0018.html
- 16:12:50 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: Agree that we should not call them components, aspects is better
- 16:13:52 [Milan_Young]
- ... Second point was whether we had come to agreement on defining three aspects
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- Milan: I don't know enough about HTML to know if markup is always needed for Javascript API
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- Bjorn: aspects are OK, we can always change our mind
- 16:16:27 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: Purpose is to have something to iterate over
- 16:18:33 [Milan_Young]
- Marc: Aspects might be a good place to break down between v1 and v2
- 16:19:38 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: These are real agreements of the group
- 16:21:17 [Milan_Young]
- Bjorn: We agree that we need to address these points (in agreement section), and that this document must specify how they are handled
- 16:22:09 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: These agreements are similar to an IETF "archtiecture document"
- 16:22:34 [Milan_Young]
- ... Point is to capture concrete decisions about what we must do
- 16:23:56 [burn]
- The document we are discussing is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Apr/att-0016/HTMLSpeech.html
- 16:25:32 [Milan_Young]
- DanD: Last call brought up point about preference and user consent
- 16:26:30 [Milan_Young]
- ... Also want to discuss my "archtiecture" email
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- ... Might be useful in framing discussion
- 16:27:23 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: Terminology is a great idea
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- Bjorn: Might add a glossary
- 16:29:11 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: Diagram can take a long time to come to agreement
- 16:29:52 [Milan_Young]
- DanD: Diagram will be what words will capture, not the other way around
- 16:30:15 [Milan_Young]
- Robert: Diagram is a distraction
- 16:30:36 [Milan_Young]
- ... Let's work on the list of terms first, and then build a diagram
- 16:31:22 [Milan_Young]
- DanD: That's fine, just wanted to start discussion
- 16:32:00 [Milan_Young]
- Bjorn: All proposals use a script API to control recognition
- 16:32:29 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: Not every feature is solved with script
- 16:33:12 [Milan_Young]
- Bjorn: All features of speech API must be accesible by ECMA
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- Dan: Accessible?
- 16:34:00 [Milan_Young]
- ... there are place where you might attach handlers, but still using the HTML structure
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- Bjron: HTML blurs line between markup and script
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- ... meant HTML5
- 16:36:04 [Milan_Young]
- Bjorn: ECMA is a complete API, markup may feed back into that
- 16:36:42 [Milan_Young]
- Michael: Hard to define where service fits into all of this
- 16:37:19 [Milan_Young]
- DanD: Maybe we need to define who script is targeted at
- 16:37:40 [Milan_Young]
- ... to whom the script is targeted :)
- 16:38:06 [Milan_Young]
- Bjorn: We all talking ECMA
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- MichaelJ: How to bring together graphical content with speech
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- Dan: That is more a statement about the purpose of the group
- 16:40:13 [Milan_Young]
- Bjorn: The entire API must be useable in Javascript
- 16:40:38 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: I'll put in some strawman language after the call
- 16:41:22 [Milan_Young]
- Charles: Would like a high-level statement
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- Milan: Already have misssion statement and requirements.
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- Charles: Not sure those agree. Where is the purpose?
- 16:43:14 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: Maybe we should add a summary which captures the design biases
- 16:43:30 [Milan_Young]
- ... Need more context
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- ... Could others suggest some text?
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- ... Looking for a rational
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- DanD: I'll take a cut
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- Dan: I gave a similar response last week on differences between VoiceXML
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- Bjorn: Notifications from user agent should be in the form of Javascript events
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- Robert: Bubling is unclear
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- Bjorn: That's markup not javascript
- 16:46:56 [Milan_Young]
- ... More agreement, 1) start input 2) stop input 3) cancel input
- 16:47:26 [Milan_Young]
- ... stop and cancel might be blured by Mozialla
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- MichaelJ: Need seperation between stop and cancel
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- Bjorn: Cancel stops speech input without a result
- 16:51:28 [Milan_Young]
- ... all propsals had an onspeechstart event
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- ... and all had an onspeechend
- 16:52:18 [Milan_Young]
- ... all had onerror. Unclear whether nomatch and noinput mapped to errros
- 16:52:56 [Milan_Young]
- ... and when recresult was availible
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- ... all can specify grammars
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- Dan: Regarding onspeechend, what does end of speech mean?
- 16:54:48 [Milan_Young]
- ... this is in regards to the endpointer
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- Bjorn: most useful is when endpointer finished
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- Milan: Need to consider dictation
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- Michael: Parameters would dictate meaning of of endofspeech event
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- Bjorn: Onspeechstart is also a function of endpointer
- 17:01:21 [Milan_Young]
- MichaelJ: Need to flag that implementations will vary around this point
- 17:01:43 [Milan_Young]
- Robert: On mobile, "cheap
- 17:01:55 [Milan_Young]
- ... endpointing on client may be necessary
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- Dan: Will add this as a topic for discussion
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- Michael: Play and pause for TTS
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- ... are also points of agreement
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- Dan: probably also have a stop
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- Bjorn: Google has a way to effective issue a stop, but no explicit method for it
- 17:05:25 [Milan_Young]
- DanD: Thought we had an agreement to allow web app to specify speech engine
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- Bjorn: Would suggest that it could be specified by URI
- 17:06:07 [Milan_Young]
- ... Ollie suggested that this be a v2
- 17:07:04 [Milan_Young]
- ... I'm OK in a v1 as long as they are lightwieght
- 17:07:17 [Milan_Young]
- ... as *mechanism* is lightweight
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- ... Disagreement that it should be referenced by URI?
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- Michael: That sounds sufficiently flexible
- 17:08:40 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: OK as long as we don't mean http: URL
- 17:08:54 [Milan_Young]
- ... W3C tends not to like URNs
- 17:09:42 [Milan_Young]
- Bjorn: We would need to restrict content of URIs so that solution could interoperate
- 17:10:25 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: Difference between configuration and accessibility
- 17:12:00 [Milan_Young]
- Bjorn: Might not work in open web model
- 17:13:06 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: General config of language tags to URIs
- 17:13:57 [Milan_Young]
- ... Selecting speech service implementation by URI
- 17:14:25 [Milan_Young]
- MichaelJ: Need ability to do this by URI
- 17:15:12 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: Speech services implementations must be referenceable by URI
- 17:16:26 [Milan_Young]
- Bjorn: Another agrement: Must be possible to refererence a gramamr by URI
- 17:17:19 [Milan_Young]
- ... also that could reference language by language tag
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- Dan: Might be useful to have a means of specifying a list of language tags
- 17:21:45 [Milan_Young]
- Michael: Should claify that you don't need to specify grammar
- 17:22:21 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: should clairify that behavior in such cases is not specified
- 17:23:42 [Milan_Young]
- Milan: Can we limit this list to a v1?
- 17:24:39 [Milan_Young]
- Micahel: This is all implicitly v1
- 17:25:09 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: This is a statement of how things should be done when they are done
- 17:28:10 [Milan_Young]
- ... Next step is to capture this in the document
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- ... can review over email
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- Michael: It would be useful to pull in use cases into that document
- 17:30:26 [Milan_Young]
- Dan: OK, Michael will take first
- 17:30:32 [Milan_Young]
- ... cut on that
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- -Michael_Bodell
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- -Marc_Schroeder
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- -Debbie_Dahl
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- -Rania_Elnaggar
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- -Dan_Druta
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- -Milan_Young
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- ddahl has left #htmlspeech
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- -Robert_Brown
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- -Bjorn_Bringert
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- -Charles_Hemphill
- 17:30:59 [burn]
- Regrets: Jerry Carter, Olli Pettay
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 17:31:31 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Dan_Burnett, Michael_Johnston
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- -Michael_Johnston
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- -Dan_Burnett
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- INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were Michael_Bodell, Dan_Burnett, Marc_Schroeder, Robert_Brown, +1.425.391.aaaa, Rania_Elnaggar, Dan_Druta, Milan_Young, Bjorn_Bringert, Debbie_Dahl, +1.425.830.aabb,
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- ... Charles_Hemphill, Michael_Johnston
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see no action items