IRC log of htmlspeech on 2011-04-14

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trackbot, start telcon
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be
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I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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Meeting: HTML Speech Incubator Group Teleconference
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Date: 14 April 2011
15:54:39 [burn]
zakim, this will be htmlspeech
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ok, burn; I see INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM has now started
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+Michael_Bodell
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Apr/0017.html
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Chair: Dan Burnett
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 48657 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), burn
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+Dan_Burnett
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zakim, who is on the phone?
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On the phone I see Michael_Bodell, Dan_Burnett
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zakim, I am Dan_Burnett
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ok, burn, I now associate you with Dan_Burnett
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zakim, nick mbodell is Michael_Bodell
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ok, burn, I now associate mbodell with Michael_Bodell
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, [IPcaller] is Marc_Schroeder
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+Marc_Schroeder; got it
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+[Microsoft]
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zakim, [Microsoft] is Robert_Brown
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+Robert_Brown; got it
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+??P29
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+ +1.425.391.aaaa
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zakim, ??P29 is Rania_Elnaggar
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+Rania_Elnaggar; got it
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zakim, aaaa is Dan_Druta
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+Dan_Druta; got it
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+Leo
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+Milan_Young
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zakim, mute Leo
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Leo should now be muted
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zakim, unmute Leo
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Leo should no longer be muted
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zakim, Leo is Bjorn_Bringert
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+Bjorn_Bringert; got it
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zakim, nick bringert is Bjorn_Bringert
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ok, burn, I now associate bringert with Bjorn_Bringert
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+Debbie_Dahl
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zakim, nick ddahl is Debbie_Dahl
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ok, burn, I now associate ddahl with Debbie_Dahl
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zakim, nick Milan_Young is Milan_Young
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ok, burn, I now associate Milan_Young with Milan_Young
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+ +1.425.830.aabb
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zakim, aabb is Charles_Hemphill
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+Charles_Hemphill; got it
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Scribe: Milan Young
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ScribeNick: Milan_Young
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Apr/0017.html
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Topic: F2F logistics
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Bjorn: Has sent list to admin
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... If haven't filled out survey, need to let me know
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Dan: Local transportation?
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Bjorn: Details comming soon
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Topic: Final report document produced by Dan
16:08:13 [Milan_Young]
Dan: Purpose is to provide placeholders
16:08:47 [Milan_Young]
... Want to capture essentials about design that go beyond requirements
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... This document would survive if we decide not to recharter
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... first decision that has been made is in regards to the three "aspects"
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... questions on structure of document?
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<none>
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+Michael_Johnston
16:11:34 [Milan_Young]
... discuss Milan's recent email about document
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Milan's email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Apr/0018.html
16:12:50 [Milan_Young]
Dan: Agree that we should not call them components, aspects is better
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... Second point was whether we had come to agreement on defining three aspects
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Milan: I don't know enough about HTML to know if markup is always needed for Javascript API
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Bjorn: aspects are OK, we can always change our mind
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Dan: Purpose is to have something to iterate over
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Marc: Aspects might be a good place to break down between v1 and v2
16:19:38 [Milan_Young]
Dan: These are real agreements of the group
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Bjorn: We agree that we need to address these points (in agreement section), and that this document must specify how they are handled
16:22:09 [Milan_Young]
Dan: These agreements are similar to an IETF "archtiecture document"
16:22:34 [Milan_Young]
... Point is to capture concrete decisions about what we must do
16:23:56 [burn]
The document we are discussing is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-htmlspeech/2011Apr/att-0016/HTMLSpeech.html
16:25:32 [Milan_Young]
DanD: Last call brought up point about preference and user consent
16:26:30 [Milan_Young]
... Also want to discuss my "archtiecture" email
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... Might be useful in framing discussion
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Dan: Terminology is a great idea
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Bjorn: Might add a glossary
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Dan: Diagram can take a long time to come to agreement
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DanD: Diagram will be what words will capture, not the other way around
16:30:15 [Milan_Young]
Robert: Diagram is a distraction
16:30:36 [Milan_Young]
... Let's work on the list of terms first, and then build a diagram
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DanD: That's fine, just wanted to start discussion
16:32:00 [Milan_Young]
Bjorn: All proposals use a script API to control recognition
16:32:29 [Milan_Young]
Dan: Not every feature is solved with script
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Bjorn: All features of speech API must be accesible by ECMA
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Dan: Accessible?
16:34:00 [Milan_Young]
... there are place where you might attach handlers, but still using the HTML structure
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Bjron: HTML blurs line between markup and script
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... meant HTML5
16:36:04 [Milan_Young]
Bjorn: ECMA is a complete API, markup may feed back into that
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Michael: Hard to define where service fits into all of this
16:37:19 [Milan_Young]
DanD: Maybe we need to define who script is targeted at
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... to whom the script is targeted :)
16:38:06 [Milan_Young]
Bjorn: We all talking ECMA
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MichaelJ: How to bring together graphical content with speech
16:39:43 [Milan_Young]
Dan: That is more a statement about the purpose of the group
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Bjorn: The entire API must be useable in Javascript
16:40:38 [Milan_Young]
Dan: I'll put in some strawman language after the call
16:41:22 [Milan_Young]
Charles: Would like a high-level statement
16:41:56 [Milan_Young]
Milan: Already have misssion statement and requirements.
16:42:16 [Milan_Young]
Charles: Not sure those agree. Where is the purpose?
16:43:14 [Milan_Young]
Dan: Maybe we should add a summary which captures the design biases
16:43:30 [Milan_Young]
... Need more context
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... Could others suggest some text?
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... Looking for a rational
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DanD: I'll take a cut
16:45:18 [Milan_Young]
Dan: I gave a similar response last week on differences between VoiceXML
16:45:44 [Milan_Young]
Bjorn: Notifications from user agent should be in the form of Javascript events
16:46:04 [Milan_Young]
Robert: Bubling is unclear
16:46:22 [Milan_Young]
Bjorn: That's markup not javascript
16:46:56 [Milan_Young]
... More agreement, 1) start input 2) stop input 3) cancel input
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... stop and cancel might be blured by Mozialla
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MichaelJ: Need seperation between stop and cancel
16:50:26 [Milan_Young]
Bjorn: Cancel stops speech input without a result
16:51:28 [Milan_Young]
... all propsals had an onspeechstart event
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... and all had an onspeechend
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... all had onerror. Unclear whether nomatch and noinput mapped to errros
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... and when recresult was availible
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... all can specify grammars
16:54:01 [Milan_Young]
Dan: Regarding onspeechend, what does end of speech mean?
16:54:48 [Milan_Young]
... this is in regards to the endpointer
16:56:32 [Milan_Young]
Bjorn: most useful is when endpointer finished
16:57:56 [Milan_Young]
Milan: Need to consider dictation
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Michael: Parameters would dictate meaning of of endofspeech event
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Bjorn: Onspeechstart is also a function of endpointer
17:01:21 [Milan_Young]
MichaelJ: Need to flag that implementations will vary around this point
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Robert: On mobile, "cheap
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... endpointing on client may be necessary
17:02:16 [Milan_Young]
Dan: Will add this as a topic for discussion
17:02:39 [Milan_Young]
Michael: Play and pause for TTS
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... are also points of agreement
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Dan: probably also have a stop
17:04:20 [Milan_Young]
Bjorn: Google has a way to effective issue a stop, but no explicit method for it
17:05:25 [Milan_Young]
DanD: Thought we had an agreement to allow web app to specify speech engine
17:05:42 [Milan_Young]
Bjorn: Would suggest that it could be specified by URI
17:06:07 [Milan_Young]
... Ollie suggested that this be a v2
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... I'm OK in a v1 as long as they are lightwieght
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... as *mechanism* is lightweight
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... Disagreement that it should be referenced by URI?
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Michael: That sounds sufficiently flexible
17:08:40 [Milan_Young]
Dan: OK as long as we don't mean http: URL
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... W3C tends not to like URNs
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Bjorn: We would need to restrict content of URIs so that solution could interoperate
17:10:25 [Milan_Young]
Dan: Difference between configuration and accessibility
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Bjorn: Might not work in open web model
17:13:06 [Milan_Young]
Dan: General config of language tags to URIs
17:13:57 [Milan_Young]
... Selecting speech service implementation by URI
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MichaelJ: Need ability to do this by URI
17:15:12 [Milan_Young]
Dan: Speech services implementations must be referenceable by URI
17:16:26 [Milan_Young]
Bjorn: Another agrement: Must be possible to refererence a gramamr by URI
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... also that could reference language by language tag
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Dan: Might be useful to have a means of specifying a list of language tags
17:21:45 [Milan_Young]
Michael: Should claify that you don't need to specify grammar
17:22:21 [Milan_Young]
Dan: should clairify that behavior in such cases is not specified
17:23:42 [Milan_Young]
Milan: Can we limit this list to a v1?
17:24:39 [Milan_Young]
Micahel: This is all implicitly v1
17:25:09 [Milan_Young]
Dan: This is a statement of how things should be done when they are done
17:28:10 [Milan_Young]
... Next step is to capture this in the document
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... can review over email
17:28:52 [Milan_Young]
Michael: It would be useful to pull in use cases into that document
17:30:26 [Milan_Young]
Dan: OK, Michael will take first
17:30:32 [Milan_Young]
... cut on that
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-Michael_Bodell
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-Marc_Schroeder
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-Debbie_Dahl
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-Rania_Elnaggar
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-Dan_Druta
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-Milan_Young
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-Robert_Brown
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-Bjorn_Bringert
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-Charles_Hemphill
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Regrets: Jerry Carter, Olli Pettay
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zakim, who is on the phone?
17:31:31 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Dan_Burnett, Michael_Johnston
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-Michael_Johnston
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-Dan_Burnett
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INC_(HTMLSPEECH)12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Michael_Bodell, Dan_Burnett, Marc_Schroeder, Robert_Brown, +1.425.391.aaaa, Rania_Elnaggar, Dan_Druta, Milan_Young, Bjorn_Bringert, Debbie_Dahl, +1.425.830.aabb,
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... Charles_Hemphill, Michael_Johnston
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/04/14-htmlspeech-minutes.html burn
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