IRC log of lld on 2011-03-03
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/03/03-lld-irc
- 14:52:43 [TomB]
- rrsagent, bookmark
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- See http://www.w3.org/2011/03/03-lld-irc#T14-52-43
- 14:52:50 [TomB]
- zakim, this will be lld
- 14:52:50 [Zakim]
- ok, TomB, I see INC_LLDXG()10:00AM already started
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- Meeting: LLD XG
- 14:53:03 [TomB]
- Chair: Emmanuelle
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- rrsagent, please make record public
- 14:53:39 [TomB]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Mar/0007.html
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- Previous: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minutes.html
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- Regrets: Felix
- 14:54:25 [monica]
- Scribe: monica
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- Scribenick: monica
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- zakim, IPcaller is me
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- +antoine; got it
- 14:55:36 [antoine]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:55:36 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see mduke, antoine
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- 14:56:04 [antoine]
- zakim, code?
- 14:56:04 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 55394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), antoine
- 14:56:16 [antoine]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 14:56:16 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/03-lld-minutes.html antoine
- 14:56:17 [emma]
- sorry for being late
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- +[IPcaller]
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- +??P3
- 14:57:17 [antoine]
- zakim, ??P3
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- I don't understand '??P3', antoine
- 14:57:22 [antoine]
- zakim, ??P3 is kcoyle
- 14:57:22 [Zakim]
- +kcoyle; got it
- 14:57:26 [TomB]
- zakim, IPcaller is probably TomB
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- +TomB?; got it
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- +[IPcaller]
- 14:57:59 [Zakim]
- +jeff_
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- +rsinger
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- zakim, ipcaller is me
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- +emma; got it
- 14:58:34 [emma]
- zakim, who's here ?
- 14:58:34 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see mduke, antoine, TomB?, kcoyle, emma, jeff_, rsinger
- 14:58:45 [jeff__]
- zakim, mute me
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- sorry, jeff__, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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- + +1.330.672.aaaa - is perhaps marcia?
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- zakim, jeff_ is me
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- +jeff__; got it
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- zakim, mute me
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- jeff__ should now be muted
- 14:59:07 [antoine]
- zakim, aaaa is marcia
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- sorry, antoine, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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- +??P9
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- +jeff__.a
- 14:59:36 [antoine]
- zakim, ??P9 is GordonD
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- +GordonD; got it
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- 15:00:01 [antoine]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:00:01 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see mduke, antoine, TomB?, kcoyle, emma, jeff__ (muted), rsinger, marcia, GordonD (muted), michaelp
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- +jar
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- +[LC]
- 15:01:27 [antoine]
- zakim, LC is edsu
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- +edsu; got it
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- +??P17
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- +??P12
- 15:01:46 [uldis]
- zakim, ??P17 is uldis
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- +uldis; got it
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- zakim, ??P12 is AlexanderH
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- +AlexanderH; got it
- 15:01:55 [ww_]
- Zakim, ww_ is ww
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- sorry, ww_, I do not recognize a party named 'ww_'
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- zakim, jar_ is jar
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- sorry, antoine, I do not recognize a party named 'jar_'
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- RRSAgent: present: ww_
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'present: ww_ ', ww_. Try /msg RRSAgent help
- 15:02:26 [antoine]
- zakim, jar is jar_
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- +jar_; got it
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- 15:03:02 [monica]
- PROPOSED: To accept http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minutes.html
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- --approved
- 15:03:21 [monica]
- --accepted
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- + +1.404.892.aabb
- 15:03:29 [antoine]
- zakim, aabb is pmurray
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- ACCEPTED
- 15:03:34 [Zakim]
- +pmurray; got it
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- s/write/right/
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- +[LC]
- 15:04:00 [antoine]
- zakim, LC is rayd
- 15:04:04 [jar_]
- jar_ has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/RunningAgenda (jar_)
- 15:04:10 [Zakim]
- +rayd; got it
- 15:04:42 [monica]
- only 10 telcons left agenda now lists all the telcons with chair and a proposed topic for each telcon
- 15:04:58 [monica]
- s/only/emma: only/
- 15:05:11 [monica]
- ...would like to discuss this proposed schedule
- 15:05:43 [monica]
- ...first introducing telcon for Asia participants - invites TomB to introduce
- 15:06:14 [monica]
- TomB: Monday or Tuesday depending on location
- 15:06:38 [Zakim]
- -mduke
- 15:06:42 [monica]
- ... 10 people expected no agenda topics suggested so far
- 15:07:13 [emma]
- TomB: looking for agenda ideas
- 15:07:32 [emma]
- ... other wise informal discussion
- 15:07:52 [emma]
- ... we don't have a scribe yet, late for the US
- 15:08:07 [marcia]
- Can we have two scribers -- we are not familiar with the coming participants and not sure whether will be able to understand them?
- 15:08:35 [Zakim]
- +mduke
- 15:08:39 [emma]
- ... could be difficult to understand
- 15:09:21 [monica]
- emma: suggests during the meeting we should discuss the content of the report
- 15:09:27 [antoine]
- +1
- 15:09:34 [monica]
- TomB: agrees
- 15:10:02 [monica]
- TOPIC FINAL REPORT DRAFT
- 15:10:22 [monica]
- emma: agenda proposes contents of report discussed in the upcoming telcons
- 15:10:43 [monica]
- ...someone to lead the discussion of the contents (each section)
- 15:10:50 [monica]
- ...assuming we agree on contents
- 15:11:14 [monica]
- ...we need ot check we have owners for each section of the report
- 15:11:19 [monica]
- s/ot/to/
- 15:11:33 [Zakim]
- -uldis
- 15:11:37 [monica]
- ...owner could be doing aggregation or summarising
- 15:12:06 [monica]
- ...some people are more comfortable with writing than others
- 15:12:14 [Zakim]
- +??P17
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- 15:12:28 [monica]
- ...we need to have text in each section
- 15:12:42 [uldis]
- marcia: re two scribes -- perhaps one of them from Asia-Pacific region/timezone
- 15:12:43 [antoine]
- zakim, ??P17 is maybe digikim_
- 15:12:43 [Zakim]
- I don't understand '??P17 is maybe digikim_', antoine
- 15:12:52 [uldis]
- antoine: that's me
- 15:12:58 [antoine]
- zakim, ??P17 is uldis
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- +uldis; got it
- 15:13:00 [uldis]
- Zakim, ??P17 is me
- 15:13:00 [Zakim]
- I already had ??P17 as uldis, uldis
- 15:13:09 [monica]
- ...we can now review the list of telcons alongside the outline of report contents
- 15:13:13 [kcoyle]
- emma - plan sounds good
- 15:13:16 [monica]
- ..any comments?
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- +[LC]
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- zakim, LC is me
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- +kefo; got it
- 15:13:54 [emma]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignments
- 15:13:55 [kefo]
- zakim, mute me please
- 15:13:55 [Zakim]
- kefo should now be muted
- 15:14:15 [monica]
- ...I am trying to clarify what we are asking owners to do - could be writing or other tasks
- 15:14:29 [marcia]
- uldis: Not sure who will be there... looks like only 2-3 and maybe they need to speak.
- 15:14:39 [antoine]
- +1
- 15:15:30 [GordonD]
- +1
- 15:15:35 [monica]
- ...according to schedule, next week's discussion will eb data issues led by Gordon
- 15:15:40 [monica]
- seeb/be/
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- s/eb/be/
- 15:16:51 [monica]
- ...then will be discussion on problems and limitations, 2 telcons, led by karen
- 15:17:08 [monica]
- karen: agrees two telcons is a good idea
- 15:17:10 [GordonD]
- +1 for 2 slots for problems and limitations
- 15:17:52 [TomB]
- q+ to confirm that Gordon for "library data issues" next week means http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_BibData ...?
- 15:18:04 [monica]
- on 2011-03-31 discussion would be on LLD Benefits, owned by Ed and Emma
- 15:18:17 [emma]
- ack to
- 15:18:17 [Zakim]
- TomB, you wanted to confirm that Gordon for "library data issues" next week means http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_BibData ...?
- 15:18:34 [antoine]
- no it is http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_data
- 15:18:41 [monica]
- ...2011-04-27 discussion on use cases
- 15:18:48 [monica]
- TomB: ??
- 15:19:40 [monica]
- edsu: agrees on date
- 15:20:28 [monica]
- emma: invites others to join in benefits of LLD section
- 15:20:32 [rsinger]
- i'll join
- 15:20:36 [edsu]
- rsinger++
- 15:21:06 [monica]
- ...2011-04-07 UC report discussion
- 15:21:31 [monica]
- ...previous discussion said there was too much to go in the report from the clusters
- 15:21:56 [monica]
- ...any volunteers for the job of aggregating use case clusters
- 15:22:02 [monica]
- ...?
- 15:22:12 [monica]
- ...no volunteers yet
- 15:22:57 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/03-lld-minutes.html antoine
- 15:23:06 [monica]
- ACTION http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minutes.html#action06
- 15:23:10 [monica]
- --continues
- 15:23:18 [Zakim]
- -mduke
- 15:23:32 [emma]
- ACTION: emma, TomB, and antoine to send a call for finding an owner of the UC deliverable [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minutes.html#action07]
- 15:23:34 [emma]
- --continues
- 15:23:53 [TomB]
- q+ to point out that http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_data is not linked to http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReport or http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignments
- 15:24:07 [Zakim]
- +mduke
- 15:24:23 [emma]
- ack tom
- 15:24:23 [Zakim]
- TomB, you wanted to point out that http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_data is not linked to
- 15:24:25 [Zakim]
- ... http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReport or http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignments
- 15:25:16 [kcoyle]
- q+
- 15:25:21 [monica]
- TomB: do we need to decide what to do with the contents of that page?
- 15:25:36 [monica]
- Gordon: I thought what we agreed was that page would feed into problems and limitations
- 15:25:51 [emma]
- ack k
- 15:25:53 [monica]
- ...I would tease out limitations ot feed into karen's work
- 15:26:13 [monica]
- karen: we need to think about a question as we go through this - who is our audience?
- 15:26:45 [monica]
- ...what motivated Gordon to write this was a need to educate some adiences about realities int eh library enviroment that they may not be aware of
- 15:27:10 [monica]
- ...there is not much of this in problems and limitations, we need to decide how much background we give, which depends on who the audience is
- 15:27:26 [marcia]
- q+
- 15:27:30 [monica]
- ...librarians already understand some issues, others outside library will not be aware of them
- 15:27:34 [emma]
- ack marc
- 15:27:55 [monica]
- marcia: it would be useful to decide who the audience is
- 15:28:14 [monica]
- ...the title of the group is library data, much thinking on big libraries
- 15:28:20 [kcoyle]
- q+
- 15:28:23 [jar_]
- "long tail" also important, yes
- 15:29:06 [emma]
- ack k
- 15:29:11 [monica]
- ...principles of open bibliographic data is helpful
- 15:29:19 [rsinger]
- +1
- 15:29:23 [monica]
- karen: I think we have not yet defined what we mean by library data
- 15:29:40 [monica]
- ...I have a short definition I cna share - people may not agree
- 15:29:41 [antoine]
- lcf/ use cases!
- 15:30:02 [antoine]
- cf use cases for "library data"
- 15:30:03 [monica]
- s/cna/can/
- 15:30:29 [monica]
- marcia: ??
- 15:30:40 [monica]
- emma: yes we need to think about scope of report
- 15:31:21 [monica]
- ...2011-04-14 discussion on available data and vocabulary - antoine and jeff leading
- 15:31:23 [jeff__]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:31:23 [Zakim]
- jeff__ should no longer be muted
- 15:31:28 [antoine]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Mar/0006.html
- 15:31:39 [digikim_]
- sorry, seems like I can't join the phone conference (due to being busy with other things currently) :-/
- 15:32:00 [monica]
- antoine: it is not about gathering vocabulary and datasets yet
- 15:32:15 [monica]
- ...we tried to take into account what was said in the last call
- 15:32:34 [monica]
- ...we wanted to say something about representative datasets
- 15:32:51 [monica]
- ...use cases provide pointers to vocabs/datasets
- 15:33:09 [marcia]
- monica: what I was speaking was about non-academic and national libraries. There are many informaiton centers, vertual libraries, digital collections that are not from those MARC or ISBD based. They produce more open bibliographic data.
- 15:33:54 [monica]
- ...people from other domains may be asking questions about the LOD - the cloud does not say everything
- 15:34:07 [monica]
- ...especially how people can contribute who are not from libraries
- 15:34:14 [marcia]
- Monida: the example I used is the National Science Digital Library, which has very rich resource. The contributors are mostly not from the traditional, physical libraries.
- 15:34:17 [jar_]
- +1. important to articulate the value proposition of LD (for someone)
- 15:34:55 [monica]
- ...next we made reference to that LOD cloud
- 15:35:35 [monica]
- ...starting from the use cases we are gathering the data sets connected to the UCs
- 15:35:55 [monica]
- ...next point in teh section will be to identify gaps also starting from UCs
- 15:36:02 [monica]
- s/teh/the/
- 15:36:29 [edsu]
- jar_: someone = cultural heritage institutions: libraries, archives, museums, etc
- 15:36:36 [TomB]
- +1 sounds good
- 15:37:01 [monica]
- ...present as work in progress, tell people what they might expect in future
- 15:37:06 [jar_]
- edsu: yes.
- 15:37:15 [monica]
- ...this could lead to recommendations
- 15:37:54 [monica]
- ...summary: aim of section, identify datasets, identify gaps, issues, work in progress
- 15:38:42 [monica]
- ...what we have gathered will be presented as snapshot
- 15:39:17 [monica]
- ...second part will be focused on CKAN LLD group to continue the effort
- 15:40:03 [monica]
- ...this section is flexible
- 15:40:52 [monica]
- ...we are suggesting that one of us liaise with R Cygniak
- 15:41:02 [TomB]
- q+ to suggest that the snapshot be very "broad-brush" (i.e., not take much writing effort away from sections in the main report) because whatever list is presented in the dataset deliverable will very quickly go out of date
- 15:41:10 [monica]
- ...ask what they need from LLD
- 15:42:12 [monica]
- ACTION: Antoine and jeff_ to make a proposal to the group about vocabularies and datasets [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/02/24-lld-minutes.html#action08]
- 15:42:30 [monica]
- ...we will need people to help us
- 15:43:08 [monica]
- ...we welcome input on these sections - any of the sections or the separate deliverable
- 15:43:51 [monica]
- ...last week's telcon - people who made comments then are welcome to comment
- 15:44:02 [monica]
- ...but open to anyone to help with these sections
- 15:44:35 [rsinger]
- i am
- 15:44:36 [marcia]
- I am in
- 15:44:37 [monica]
- --continues
- 15:44:42 [edsu]
- ww_: we are talking about you :-)
- 15:44:54 [emma]
- ack Tom
- 15:44:54 [Zakim]
- TomB, you wanted to suggest that the snapshot be very "broad-brush" (i.e., not take much writing effort away from sections in the main report) because whatever list is presented in
- 15:44:58 [Zakim]
- ... the dataset deliverable will very quickly go out of date
- 15:45:35 [monica]
- TomB: we need to keep an eye on the report
- 15:45:37 [ww_]
- edsu: ack
- 15:45:42 [Zakim]
- -kefo
- 15:45:51 [jeff__]
- q+
- 15:46:16 [monica]
- ...it will be itneresting for people reading the report to get a sense of what is out there, but as a resource it would get out of date
- 15:46:36 [kefo]
- zakim, LC is me
- 15:46:36 [Zakim]
- sorry, kefo, I do not recognize a party named 'LC'
- 15:46:37 [Zakim]
- +[LC]
- 15:46:39 [kefo]
- zakim, LC is me
- 15:46:39 [Zakim]
- +kefo; got it
- 15:46:56 [kefo]
- zakim, mute me please
- 15:46:56 [Zakim]
- kefo should now be muted
- 15:46:58 [jeff__]
- ack me
- 15:46:59 [emma]
- ack je
- 15:47:06 [monica]
- antoine: links to authority files, subject headings
- 15:47:24 [monica]
- jeff: a snapshot helps becuase it gives you the idea that there is alot more going on and things are changing
- 15:47:31 [monica]
- emma: last 10 minutes
- 15:47:33 [jeff__]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:47:33 [Zakim]
- jeff__ should now be muted
- 15:47:46 [rsinger]
- a snapshot also gives a reference to build on
- 15:48:00 [monica]
- ...2011-04-21 discussion would be requirements and recommendations
- 15:48:06 [rsinger]
- re: future snapshots
- 15:48:12 [antoine]
- @rsinger: yes!
- 15:48:13 [kcoyle]
- won't issues lead to that?
- 15:48:14 [monica]
- ...no content yet we need to get a sense of what we would expect in teis section
- 15:48:52 [monica]
- ...do we have specific expectations on this?
- 15:48:53 [kcoyle]
- q+
- 15:48:59 [emma]
- ack k
- 15:49:00 [jar_]
- You can't have requirements unless you've articulated what goal you're trying to reach. "X is required in order for ..."
- 15:49:08 [monica]
- karen: we can't do requiqrements until we have doen issues
- 15:49:20 [monica]
- s/doen/done/
- 15:49:39 [monica]
- karen: the issues discussions will lead to how we approach requirements
- 15:49:52 [monica]
- emma: we need to have something in mind, there are some placeholders
- 15:50:08 [monica]
- ...when working on other sections
- 15:50:11 [GordonD]
- +1 to have indications of requirements from the work on the problems and limitations section
- 15:50:30 [GordonD]
- +1 to separate requirements from recommendations
- 15:50:34 [monica]
- ...we should think about requirements, recommendations and what we would like to see happening
- 15:50:55 [GordonD]
- Issues lead to requirements lead to recommendations
- 15:50:56 [monica]
- karen: requirements and recommendations are different things but we need to have thought about the issues
- 15:51:17 [antoine]
- q+ point 6 is not only about requirement-related recommendations
- 15:51:44 [monica]
- ...example recommendation would be to create another group
- 15:51:56 [emma]
- ack ant
- 15:52:20 [monica]
- antoine: was going to make similar points, some recommendations are not requirements-related
- 15:52:49 [monica]
- ...in COlogne ?? had volunteered to write something about curricula
- 15:53:04 [monica]
- ...maybe we can contact him
- 15:53:11 [antoine]
- s/??/Guenther Neher
- 15:53:37 [monica]
- emma: agrees, outreach-related work questions discussion
- 15:53:51 [monica]
- ...may need to be addressed in a May call
- 15:54:06 [monica]
- s/discussion/needs discussion/
- 15:54:19 [monica]
- emma: we need to check all sections have been discussed once
- 15:54:29 [monica]
- ...in MAy we will check that we ahve doen so
- 15:54:34 [GordonD]
- This is a good schedule!
- 15:54:40 [monica]
- ...that leaves a few months
- 15:54:47 [monica]
- s/MAy/May/
- 15:54:57 [kcoyle]
- it's good to HAVE a schedule to try to achieve
- 15:55:05 [monica]
- emma: there are 4 topics without owners
- 15:55:56 [emma]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Feb/0034.html
- 15:56:30 [monica]
- ...do we keep in use case report, in appendix, as something else?
- 15:57:01 [monica]
- ...relevant technologies are important, people ask 'are there tools'
- 15:57:08 [kcoyle]
- q+
- 15:57:14 [emma]
- ack k
- 15:57:42 [monica]
- karen: tools will end up on the issues page - everyoen wants to know what are the tools we can use today, the lack of those tools will be one of the issues
- 15:57:48 [jeff__]
- q+
- 15:57:53 [emma]
- ack jeff
- 15:57:54 [monica]
- s/everyoen/everyone/
- 15:58:17 [jeff__]
- zakim, unmute me
- 15:58:17 [Zakim]
- jeff__ was not muted, jeff__
- 15:58:49 [monica]
- jeff: tools available - we can provide pointers to the ones available, maye short descriptions
- 15:58:55 [monica]
- s/maye/maybe/
- 15:58:55 [GordonD]
- Relevant technologies are also volatile (like vocabularies/datasets) so suggest a similar treatment
- 15:59:01 [kcoyle]
- jeff, can you make that list?
- 15:59:14 [kcoyle]
- also, differ between tools for develoeprs and tools for users
- 15:59:20 [antoine]
- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action04
- 15:59:26 [TomB]
- jeff, that would be extremely valuable
- 15:59:27 [marcia]
- Karen: FYI: The open ontology group's identified audiences for the messages we need to deliver: (i) policy makers, (ii) budget holders, (iii) Technology Decision Makers (CIOs and Architects), (iv) Implementers (engineers and developers), (v) users/consumers of the technology, and (vi) educators
- 15:59:31 [michaelp]
- I was in there, too.
- 15:59:33 [monica]
- emma: there was a pending action
- 15:59:39 [AlexanderH]
- q+
- 15:59:45 [emma]
- ack alex
- 16:00:12 [monica]
- AlexanderH: agrees this is important, but it is difficult to give recommendations for the far future
- 16:00:14 [jeff__]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:00:14 [Zakim]
- jeff__ should now be muted
- 16:00:28 [marcia]
- Karen: That list might be a different detail level from what you were talking about the 'audiences'.
- 16:00:29 [antoine]
- q+
- 16:00:37 [emma]
- ack ant
- 16:00:38 [jodi]
- marcia: good list of audiences
- 16:00:47 [kcoyle]
- marcia: i like that list, will think about
- 16:00:59 [Zakim]
- -edsu
- 16:01:02 [rsinger]
- me too
- 16:01:14 [monica]
- antoine: we could provide pointers, recommendation would be useful for community
- 16:01:19 [Zakim]
- -rsinger
- 16:01:23 [TomB]
- Any tools list will go out of date quickly but a list characterizing what is available in a broad-brush way would be helpful.
- 16:01:34 [antoine]
- s/recommendation/recommendation for the close future
- 16:01:35 [kcoyle]
- thanks!
- 16:01:39 [Zakim]
- -GordonD
- 16:01:40 [Zakim]
- -rayd
- 16:01:41 [Zakim]
- -uldis
- 16:01:41 [monica]
- emma: thanks everyone
- 16:01:42 [AlexanderH]
- htank u
- 16:01:42 [Zakim]
- -jeff__
- 16:01:45 [kefo]
- bye
- 16:01:47 [antoine]
- zakim, please list attendees
- 16:01:48 [Zakim]
- -pmurray
- 16:01:49 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been mduke, antoine, kcoyle, TomB?, rsinger, emma, +1.330.672.aaaa, jeff__, GordonD, marcia, michaelp, edsu, uldis, AlexanderH, jar_,
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- ... +1.404.892.aabb, pmurray, rayd, kefo
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- -kcoyle
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- -kefo
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- -jar_
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- -AlexanderH
- 16:02:12 [antoine]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 16:02:12 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/03-lld-minutes.html antoine
- 16:02:20 [Zakim]
- -marcia
- 16:02:22 [Zakim]
- -michaelp
- 16:02:50 [antoine]
- s/close future/next future
- 16:02:58 [antoine]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
- 16:02:58 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/03-lld-minutes.html antoine
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- 16:03:29 [Zakim]
- -mduke
- 16:03:39 [emma]
- zakim, who's here ?
- 16:03:42 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see antoine, TomB?, emma
- 16:05:10 [antoine]
- ww_?
- 16:07:25 [ww_]
- antoine: Zakim is ignoring me
- 16:07:37 [antoine]
- ww_: ok I'll send you a mail!
- 16:08:27 [ww_]
- volontier!
- 16:08:52 [antoine]
- :-)
- 16:20:22 [antoine]
- ACTION: Alex, Jeff, Martin, MichaelP elaborate on general purpose IT architecture for dealing with linked data with caching feature (short sketch for final report) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/24-lld-minutes.html#action04]
- 16:23:02 [TomB]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Feb/0034.html
- 16:25:57 [Zakim]
- -antoine
- 16:26:00 [Zakim]
- -TomB?
- 16:26:01 [Zakim]
- -emma
- 16:26:02 [Zakim]
- INC_LLDXG()10:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were mduke, antoine, kcoyle, TomB?, rsinger, emma, +1.330.672.aaaa, jeff__, GordonD, marcia, michaelp, edsu, uldis, AlexanderH, jar_, +1.404.892.aabb, pmurray, rayd, kefo
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