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16:58:13 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
16:58:14 <trackbot> Meeting: RDB2RDF Working Group Teleconference
16:58:14 <trackbot> Date: 01 March 2011
16:58:21 <mhausenblas> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdb2rdf-wg/2011Mar/0000.html
16:58:25 <mhausenblas> Chair: Michael
16:58:37 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Percy
16:58:53 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Alexandre
16:59:03 <mhausenblas> regrets+ Nuno
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16:59:09 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:59:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/01-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
16:59:14 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:59:42 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has now started
16:59:49 <Zakim> +cygri
17:00:53 <Zakim> +juansequeda
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17:01:10 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:01:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see cygri, juansequeda
17:01:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see boris, iv_an_ru, Zakim, RRSAgent, juansequeda, mhausenblas, ivan, cygri, MacTed, betehess, trackbot
17:01:45 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri really is mhausenblas 
17:01:45 <Zakim> I don't understand 'cygri really is mhausenblas', mhausenblas
17:02:02 <Zakim> +boris
17:02:15 <mhausenblas> Zakim, mhausenblas is with cygri 
17:02:15 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
17:03:25 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
17:03:26 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
17:03:27 <Zakim> +Ivan
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17:03:43 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who' s here?
17:03:43 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, mhausenblas.
17:03:46 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
17:03:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see cygri, juansequeda, boris, Ivan
17:03:48 <Zakim> cygri has cygri, mhausenblas
17:03:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see dmcneil, boris, iv_an_ru, Zakim, RRSAgent, juansequeda, mhausenblas, ivan, cygri, MacTed, betehess, trackbot
17:04:08 <mhausenblas> Zakim, pick a victim
17:04:08 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose mhausenblas
17:04:10 <Zakim> + +1.636.544.aaaa
17:04:26 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aaaa is dmcneil 
17:04:26 <Zakim> +dmcneil; got it
17:05:21 <mhausenblas> Zakim, pick a victim
17:05:21 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Ivan
17:05:46 <boris> I can try to do my best
17:05:48 <boris> today
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17:05:59 <mhausenblas> scribenick: boris
17:06:03 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
17:06:03 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
17:06:05 <Zakim> +EricP
17:06:51 <boris> TOPIC ADMIN
17:06:55 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
17:07:04 <boris> PROPOSAL: Accept minutes
17:07:11 <boris> of last meeting
17:07:17 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2011/02/22-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
17:07:29 <boris> +1
17:07:50 <boris> RESOLUTION: Accepted minutes of last meeting
17:08:12 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
17:08:12 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
17:08:14 <boris> michael: Mid march new publication
17:08:22 <boris> ...: drafts
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17:08:35 <boris> TOPIC: Direct Mapping
17:08:47 <mhausenblas> ACTION-98?
17:08:47 <trackbot> ACTION-98 -- Juan Sequeda to rename Issue 11 and fix it in the DM -- due 2011-02-08 -- CLOSED
17:08:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/98
17:08:53 <boris> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/directMapping/
17:08:56 <mhausenblas> ACTION-99?
17:08:56 <trackbot> ACTION-99 -- Juan Sequeda to change ISSUE-13 to postponed and add ref from ISSUE-11 to ISSUE-13 -- due 2011-02-08 -- OPEN
17:08:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/99
17:09:12 <mhausenblas> close ACTION-99
17:09:12 <trackbot> ACTION-99 Change ISSUE-13 to postponed and add ref from ISSUE-11 to ISSUE-13 closed
17:09:19 <mhausenblas> ACTION-102?
17:09:19 <trackbot> ACTION-102 -- Ted Thibodeau to sum up the possibilities for generating reliable URIs for DM (to avoid bNodes) on the Wiki -- due 2011-02-15 -- OPEN
17:09:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/actions/102
17:09:21 <boris> juan: action 99 close
17:09:37 <boris> michael: any news regarding this?
17:09:45 <boris> MacTed: nothing new
17:09:47 <mhausenblas>  ISSUE 14?
17:09:51 <mhausenblas>  ISSUE-14?
17:10:00 <boris> michael: ISSUE 14 ... ?
17:10:08 <boris> ISSUE-14?
17:10:08 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 -- Many-to-Many tables -- open
17:10:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/14
17:10:49 <boris> michael: anything related to this issue?
17:11:22 <boris> juan: let's hear richard opinion about this? ... many to many on direct mapping
17:11:56 <boris> juan: richard, you pointed out that d2r users were waiting for this
17:12:21 <boris> richard: what do we want to achieve with the DM? that the question
17:12:23 <ericP> this will be tricky without resolve without ashok and richard on the same call
17:12:41 <boris> ...: useful thing of DM 
17:12:46 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
17:12:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/01-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
17:13:01 <boris> ...: what people want to do with this default RDF
17:13:16 <boris> ...: sparql query for sure
17:13:36 <boris> ...: I would evaluate the DM by how easy is to do sparql query against it
17:13:56 <boris> ....: as M2M is hard to do a sparql query
17:14:21 <boris> ...: also there will be some theoretical cases ... 
17:14:33 <boris> ...: these corner cases are not convincing 
17:14:55 <boris> ...: any given tool for just pushing button for generating RDF triples
17:15:04 <boris> ...: not to generate an intermediate table
17:15:15 <boris> juan: how many people complain about this in d2r?
17:15:31 <boris> richard: no one has complaint about this 
17:15:34 <ericP> Stonebraker's counter example: CREATE TABLE Marriages (p1 INT, p2 INT, FOREIGN KEY (p1 REFERENCES Person(ID), FOREIGN KEY (p2 REFERENCES Person(ID)));
17:15:55 <boris> ...: since the current approach (get rid of the intermediate table) ... 5 years more or less
17:16:18 <boris> ...: no corner cases ... d2r has only one approach
17:16:47 <boris> ...: after we did the m2m, no more complains
17:16:55 <boris> noise
17:17:04 <Zakim> +dmcneil.a
17:17:10 <Zakim> -dmcneil
17:17:26 <boris> richard: cannot recall anything about the current approach
17:17:44 <boris> eric: it's nothing particular about this
17:17:44 <mhausenblas> q?
17:18:02 <boris> ...: for instance nothing to get the directionally
17:18:11 <boris> ...: main issue is the complexity
17:18:23 <boris> juan: I dont see the corner example
17:18:29 <boris> ...: person and married
17:18:55 <boris> richard: order of the columns by someone
17:19:12 <boris> ...: even arbitrarily
17:19:20 <boris> ...: we can say it is incorrect
17:19:34 <boris> eric: ?? modelling is feasible
17:19:48 <boris> ...: there are cases when is optimal
17:20:07 <boris> MacTed: any change, change the mapping
17:20:22 <boris> ...: then the mapping is different even if is a "bit" different
17:20:34 <boris> eric: if I made assertions to be tracked ...
17:20:48 <boris> ...: I don't need to visit my code
17:20:55 <boris> MacTEd: dependes in the code
17:21:06 <boris> richard: not true in SQL
17:21:18 <boris> eric: I meant other thing
17:21:30 <boris> MacTed: q: create two tables in RDB
17:21:42 <boris> ... join id equals identify columns
17:21:58 <boris> ...: you have sth not resolvable?
17:22:04 <boris> is far from norm
17:22:11 <boris> eric: look at different table
17:22:25 <boris> juan: keep it simple
17:22:48 <ivan> zakim, mute me
17:22:48 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
17:22:56 <boris> ...: everyone is gona to complain 
17:23:01 <boris> ... then we have to go back
17:23:16 <boris> ... the only way to "prove" this is richard experience
17:23:24 <boris> ... we have to learn from this
17:23:33 <boris> michael: kind of lost
17:23:50 <boris> ...: the group more or less agreed to do anything about m2m?
17:24:00 <boris> ...: are we able to come with a proposal?
17:24:06 <boris> juan: don't think so
17:24:09 <boris> ... yet
17:24:28 <boris> ... richard, do you want to inlclude it in the DM?
17:24:32 <boris> richard: yes
17:24:53 <boris> juan: include a binary table as a relationshiop
17:25:11 <boris> ... we don't keep it simple, keep it real
17:25:16 <dmcneil> +q
17:25:22 <boris> michael: let's keep mid march ...
17:25:38 <mhausenblas> ack dmcneil 
17:25:43 <boris> ...: either put some work to resolve it or came to a proposal
17:26:00 <boris> eric?: only binary table?
17:26:13 <mhausenblas> s/eric?/dmcneil 
17:26:20 <boris> juan: two foering keys, compound columns ...binary relation
17:26:24 <boris> dmcneil: ok, thanks
17:26:36 <boris> juan: the proposal can be we need more feedback
17:26:42 <ericP> s/eric?:/dmcneil:/
17:26:57 <boris> juan?
17:27:12 <boris> thanks juan!
17:27:25 <boris> michael: would you please juan type the proposal
17:27:52 <boris> ...: we should try to get feedback on this ...
17:27:54 <cygri> q+
17:28:01 <juansequeda> PROPOSAL: Many-to-Many table in direct mapping is still an open issue. Publish the Direct Mapping WD with this open issue and get feedback
17:28:04 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
17:28:53 <boris> richard: ...extra work to write those queries ... proposes to do an extra work on the editors
17:29:10 <boris> eric: DM foundation, is not the final product
17:29:24 <boris> ...: what do we have to do in R2RML
17:29:45 <boris> ...: nice mapping from SPARQL to SQL queries, how hard we make their lifes
17:29:55 <boris> michael:we have a concrete proposal
17:30:03 <boris> ...: we need more input
17:30:08 <MacTed> +1 Proposal as written
17:30:10 <boris> ...: as an open issue 
17:30:17 <ericP> +1
17:30:20 <boris> ...: any objections of the current proposal
17:30:54 <boris> richard: another option is to do both, put the table in the graph, and also the direct table in the graph
17:31:15 <boris> michael: good to include this in issue 14
17:31:19 <boris> eric: only subject?
17:31:24 <boris> michael: anywhere
17:31:33 <juansequeda> ISSUE-14?
17:31:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-14 -- Many-to-Many tables -- open
17:31:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/14
17:31:45 <mhausenblas> Michael: if you mentioned ISSUE-14 in a mail tracker will pick it up
17:32:01 <boris> michael: no objections to this proposal
17:32:28 <boris> RESOLUTION: ROPOSAL: Many-to-Many table in direct mapping is still an open issue. Publish the Direct Mapping WD with this open issue and get feedback
17:32:36 <boris> sorry
17:32:53 <boris> SOLUTION: ROPOSAL accepted
17:33:09 <boris> SOLUTION: PROPOSAL accepted
17:33:27 <boris> RESOLUTION: Many-to-Many table in direct mapping is still an open issue. Publish the Direct Mapping WD with this open issue and get feedback
17:33:35 <boris> accepted
17:33:37 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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17:33:47 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-9?
17:33:47 <trackbot> ISSUE-9 -- Generate Blank Nodes for duplicate tuples -- open
17:33:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/9
17:33:56 <boris> michael: issue 9, blank node... status?
17:34:16 <boris> ... is there an action about that, yes ...
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17:34:22 <boris> ... any progress?
17:34:52 <boris> ... either we have sth there, or we can handle next week
17:35:08 <boris> ... it depends if we deliver sth there
17:35:24 <boris> ... please do not deliver an hour before the call
17:35:25 <mhausenblas> ISSUE-10?
17:35:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-10 -- Hash vs Slash -- open
17:35:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/rdb2rdf/track/issues/10
17:35:31 <boris> michael: issue 10
17:35:34 <boris> ... status?
17:35:39 <boris> ... juan?
17:36:02 <boris> eric: several emails about it
17:36:12 <boris> ... hash with no fragment identifier
17:36:24 <boris> ... in html are identical
17:36:32 <boris> juan: no preferences about this
17:37:04 <ivan> +1 cygri
17:37:04 <boris> michael: something that a user wants to provide as a configuration
17:37:11 <ivan> #_
17:37:13 <boris> richard: on the DM the closest approximation by default
17:37:39 <juansequeda> base_uri/table = URI for a Table
17:37:55 <juansequeda> base_uri/table/attribute = URI for a column
17:37:59 <boris> richard: argument not having _ ... because URIs looks nicer
17:38:01 <ivan> q+
17:38:19 <boris> ... not everyone wants to resolve these urls
17:38:24 <juansequeda> base_uri/table/attribute=value#_ vs base_uri/table/attribute=value  URI for a tuple
17:38:32 <boris> ... this is just for resolve on the web
17:38:43 <boris> michael: there is an option to write R2RML to modify it
17:38:55 <ivan> ack ivan
17:39:13 <boris> ivan: two separate issues, use # or use #_
17:39:31 <boris> ...: already pointed in the emails
17:39:49 <boris> ... if we don't use the "#" put an extra load on the server side
17:40:23 <boris> richard: assumes that the identities are non-information resources, ... 
17:40:34 <boris> ivan: they identify in the table
17:40:42 <boris> ivan: they identify a row in the table
17:40:51 <boris> richard: this is information resource for me
17:41:05 <boris> ivan: you said that you can use R2RML to modify it
17:41:11 <boris> ... adding or removing
17:41:29 <boris> michael: LD deployment is important and we have to do it ...
17:41:53 <ericP> what's the md5sum of <People/ID=7#_> ?
17:42:11 <boris> ... I don't see any strong reason for not doing that
17:42:13 <ericP> or the md5sum of <People/ID=7> ?
17:42:46 <boris> ivan: agree, if we use a #, this works in most cases ... people may not like the # because is ugly ....
17:43:13 <boris> richard: sorry Ivan, the row in a table is an information resource
17:43:48 <boris> eric: ..... trying to separate IR to real
17:43:58 <boris> richard: you are confusing resource and representation
17:44:04 <boris> ... eric=you
17:44:15 <boris> ...: we have spent some much time on this
17:44:23 <boris> ...: no new things about this ..
17:45:09 <boris> ...: many cases it doesn't matter at all ... people only has to spaqrl
17:45:53 <boris> ivan: way more specific that the discussion about http 14
17:46:11 <boris> ...: the URI that identify that row is this
17:46:15 <boris> ...: agree with Richard
17:46:29 <boris> eric: things to look at it ... 
17:46:45 <boris> ...: is sth in the DB that is an information resource
17:46:47 <boris> ?
17:46:59 <boris> ... according to richard, yes
17:47:10 <boris> MacTed: it is always an information resource
17:47:18 <boris> ...: description is a document
17:47:32 <cygri> quoting AWWW: The distinguishing characteristic of these resources is that all of their essential characteristics can be conveyed in a message. We identify this set as “information resources.”
17:47:41 <boris> ...: information in the database is information resource
17:48:01 <boris> richard: definition of information resource
17:48:29 <boris> .... IR: The distinguishing characteristic of these resources is that all of their essential characteristics can be conveyed in a message. We identify this set as “information resources.
17:49:02 <boris> ...: what is the case in which we can have a problem?
17:49:19 <boris> ...: access via SPARQL, no problem
17:49:36 <boris> ... access via deferenable URI
17:49:38 <boris> no problem
17:50:09 <boris> ...: only if you are on these cases, 
17:50:23 <ivan> zakim, mute me
17:50:23 <Zakim> Ivan should now be muted
17:50:24 <boris> ....: not SPARQL, no dump
17:50:36 <boris> ...: not use R2RML
17:50:44 <boris> ...: only then you will have the case
17:51:05 <boris> eric: compatible with LD principles
17:51:21 <ivan> zakim, unmute me
17:51:21 <Zakim> Ivan should no longer be muted
17:51:30 <boris> ... whether or not use SPARQL, we make sure to make resolvable
17:52:12 <boris> eric: again, db records are not information resources, 303, ... there is a community that think this is an issue
17:52:16 <boris> richard: who?
17:52:25 <boris> eric:. ...
17:52:36 <cygri> Jonathan Reese (?)
17:52:40 <boris> eric: bunch of people from standford
17:52:56 <boris> eric: Jonathan Rees
17:53:00 <boris> ... for example
17:53:14 <MacTed> http://sharedname.org/
17:53:26 <boris> michael: we won't be able to come up with sth, how important is this?
17:53:29 <cygri> PROPOSAL: row identifiers should be base_uri/table/attribute=value without # or #_ at the end
17:53:29 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/WD-rdb2rdf-ucr-20100608/#intro-whyrdb2rdf
17:53:47 <boris> michael: let's see the UC document
17:54:06 <MacTed> q+
17:54:10 <boris> ... based on that, we need to explain in the DM ....
17:54:36 <boris> ... I don't see why to emphasize one of them,
17:54:46 <boris> eric: do we have to eliminated ...
17:54:50 <mhausenblas> ack MacTed 
17:55:01 <boris> MacTed: we are talking about the DM, not the optimal mapping
17:55:11 <boris> ... it is basic, it is the simplest
17:55:15 <boris> ... and it will work
17:55:22 <boris> eric: it works both ways
17:55:39 <boris> MacTed: it doesn't work in all cases
17:55:59 <boris> OPOSAL: row identifiers should be base_uri/table/attribute=value without # or #_ at the end
17:56:00 <ericP> -1
17:56:03 <MacTed> +1 proposal as written
17:56:04 <boris> PROPOSAL: row identifiers should be base_uri/table/attribute=value without # or #_ at the end
17:56:07 <cygri> +1
17:56:08 <mhausenblas> +1
17:56:11 <boris> +1
17:56:18 <dmcneil> +1
17:56:19 <juansequeda> +1
17:56:23 <juansequeda> +1 from amrcelo too
17:56:40 <ivan> 0
17:57:17 <boris> eric: when people say these are not information resources ....
17:57:20 <juansequeda> s/amrcelo/marcelo
17:57:48 <boris> ...: if they are, there are requirements for LD .... 
17:58:01 <juansequeda> q+ to ask if we are going to publish on March 15?
17:58:02 <boris> ...: hash space reduces the number of round trips
17:58:18 <boris> eric: there are people
17:58:43 <boris> michael: I don't see any strong reason
17:59:00 <boris> juan: we still on track of mid march deadline
17:59:12 <cygri> q+
17:59:21 <boris> michael: no very good reason 
17:59:30 <mhausenblas> ack cygri 
17:59:31 <boris> ...: if they are not happy ...
17:59:56 <boris> richard: regardless of the nature of the resources, the suggestion to do without the hash works
18:00:10 <boris> ...: because you can use R2RML to modify it
18:00:30 <boris> ...: even with the argument of they are not information resources
18:00:49 <boris> eric: three arguments, which one are you refering to?
18:00:53 <boris> richard: only one
18:00:58 <boris> richard: I hear only one
18:01:38 <boris> richard: even if they are not information resources, why to do this in the DM
18:02:04 <boris> eric: if they are information resources, I predict we will have much problem ... if we don't treat them as information resources
18:02:28 <boris> ...: if they aren't not information resources, we have some impact on the server, 303
18:02:41 <boris> MacTed: but we have R2RML
18:02:51 <boris> richard: 303 are compatible with LD
18:03:07 <boris> MacTed: your objection is gone the
18:03:08 <boris> n
18:03:37 <boris> eric: nonIF DM produces a graph that are both compatible to LD and efficient to access
18:03:47 <cygri> +1 MacTed
18:03:49 <boris> MacTed: default is not always efficient
18:03:56 <boris> +1 MacTed
18:04:10 <boris> eric: ok
18:04:25 <boris> MacTed: so remove this objection?
18:04:42 <boris> eric: if we say that de direct graph considers 303 ...
18:04:51 <boris> s/de/the
18:05:04 <boris> MacTed: you can include it in your payload
18:05:18 <boris> eric: I can live with it, if we can do the rewrite
18:05:27 <mhausenblas> PROPOSAL: row identifiers should be base_uri/table/attribute=value without # or #_ at the end
18:05:36 <boris> PROPOSAL: row identifiers should be base_uri/table/attribute=value without # or #_ at the end
18:05:41 <mhausenblas> Michael: any objections?
18:05:58 <boris> RESOLUTION: row identifiers should be base_uri/table/attribute=value without # or #_ at the end
18:06:18 <boris> michael: so, we can close the issue right?
18:06:34 <boris> ... DM editors pls make sure to implement this on DM and close issue 10
18:06:50 <boris> ... do you need an action for that?
18:06:55 <boris> ... implemented the resolution
18:07:03 <boris> ... to implement the resolution
18:07:20 <boris> juan: I'll check it and do some clean as well
18:07:39 <boris> juan: hierarchical tables?
18:07:41 <mhausenblas> ACTION: Juan to implement decision re ISSUE-10 (remove hash) and close ISSUE-10
18:07:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-104 - Implement decision re ISSUE-10 (remove hash) and close ISSUE-10 [on Juan Sequeda - due 2011-03-08].
18:08:12 <boris> michael: DM issue: 10, 14 (postpone), 15 (open)
18:08:15 <boris> ...:
18:08:27 <boris> michael: next time focus on R2RML
18:08:51 <boris> michael: action 10 is closed
18:08:59 <mhausenblas> s/10,/10 (closed)
18:09:10 <Zakim> -juansequeda
18:09:10 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
18:09:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/01-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
18:09:11 <Zakim> -dmcneil.a
18:09:13 <Zakim> -EricP
18:09:13 <Zakim> -MacTed
18:09:15 <Zakim> -cygri
18:09:17 <ivan> zakim, drop me
18:09:17 <Zakim> Ivan is being disconnected
18:09:18 <Zakim> -Ivan
18:09:24 <Zakim> -boris
18:09:25 <Zakim> SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended
18:09:27 <Zakim> Attendees were cygri, juansequeda, boris, mhausenblas, Ivan, +1.636.544.aaaa, dmcneil, EricP, MacTed
18:09:44 <boris> michael I don't remember how to clean the minutes?
18:10:51 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who's here?
18:10:51 <Zakim> apparently SW_RDB2RDF()12:00PM has ended, mhausenblas
18:10:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see iv_an_ru, ericP, dmcneil, boris, Zakim, RRSAgent, mhausenblas, cygri, MacTed, betehess, trackbot
18:10:59 <mhausenblas> trackbot, end telecon
18:10:59 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
18:10:59 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
18:11:00 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
18:11:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/03/01-rdb2rdf-minutes.html trackbot
18:11:01 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
18:11:01 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/01-rdb2rdf-actions.rdf :
18:11:01 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Juan to implement decision re ISSUE-10 (remove hash) and close ISSUE-10 [1]
18:11:01 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/03/01-rdb2rdf-irc#T18-07-41